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Elaine Jones  
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 More options Apr 13 2002, 4:25 am
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From: Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:24:04 +0100
Local: Sat, Apr 13 2002 4:24 am
Subject: Books to Look Out For
From time to time someone mentions a book which they've picked up second-
hand or have had for a number of years.

If you have a book which you think is worth looking out for in secondhand
shops and book fairs please post to this thread.

I'm kicking off with:

Cooking with Spices
Caroline Heal and Michael Allsop
Pub. David and Charles (UK and US) 1983
ISBN 0 7153  8369 8

General - worldwide

2 - 3 pages per spice, with a relevant recipe
Table of spice mixes giving country of origin, proportions of ingredients
and uses.
Glossary of Indian words, not confined to spices
Glossary of SE Asian words    "         "      "
Glossary of Japanes words     "         "      "
Glossary of Chinese words     "         "      "
Glossary  of Arabic words     "         "      "
Glossary of technical terms

The Art of Indian Vegetarian Cooking
Yamuna Devi
Pub. (USA) Bala Books (1987)
     (UK)  Century Hutchinson (1990)
     (UK)  Leopard Books (1998)
ISBN 0 7529 0080 3

US English
Over 700 pages, with detailed descriptions and instructions preceding each
section, an A - Z of General (Indian) Information and Hindi vocabulary with
guide to pronunciation.

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Raymond M. Harris  
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 More options Apr 17 2002, 8:27 pm
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From: exim...@lineone.net (Raymond M. Harris)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:27:37 GMT
Local: Wed, Apr 17 2002 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For
Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
interrupted during tiffin, managed to blurt:

>If you have a book which you think is worth looking out for in secondhand
>shops and book fairs please post to this thread.

The Insanity of Jones
and other tales
by Algernon Blackwood

Sorry  - couldn't resist  :-)

Ray


 
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Raymond M. Harris  
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 More options May 22 2002, 1:09 pm
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From: exim...@lineone.net (Raymond M. Harris)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:10:54 GMT
Local: Wed, May 22 2002 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For
Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
interrupted again during tiffin, managed to blurt:

>If you have a book which you think is worth looking out for in secondhand
>shops and book fairs please post to this thread.

OK.  Here's one to make up for my previous scurrilous effort,
and which I've not seen mentioned yet.  An enjoyable read:

Curries and Bugles  -  A Memoir and Cookbook of the British Raj
( Penguin Cookery Library 1992;  pp324,pbk. ISBN 0-14-046893-5 )
by Jennifer Brennan

Daughter, grand-daughter and great grand-daughter of
Brits in India, Jennifer Brennan was sent home in 1935
to be born in  Blighty, then brought up in the Punjab and
Kashmir, and later Mysore, seeing out the last days of the Raj.
Her book is a mix of history, not only general but drawing
upon her own and her family's experiences, interesting stuff
purloined from relevant sources[1], and the all pervading
recipes.  There's a glossary to help with vocabulary[2].

The blurb on the back cover :
"A wonderful memoir and a unique cookery book to celebrate
the food, people and places of the British Raj in India.  With
affection and nostalgia, Jennifer Brennan depicts the historical
background to the period and explores the lifestyles of the
Sahibs and Memsahibs, how they entertained and what they ate.
With more than 200 recipes including Clam and bacon koftas
with apricot sauce, Stuffed pomfret rolls in aspic and Byculla Club
soufflé, she recreates the dinners, breakfasts, tiffins, picnics,
teas and buffets of the 'Servants to the Crown'.  Beautifully
illustrated, brimming with her own personal observations
and anecdotes, Jennifer Brennan brings the magic of
Imperial India to our doorstep."

[1] The bibliography lists an interesting range of books.
Some of the more recent ones you might recognize,
here's a  selection of the more obscure:

A.C.S.,  Memsahib's Book of Cookery (India, 1894).
Anon.,  All About Indian Chutneys, Pickles and Preserves,
        (Thacker, Spink & Co., Calcutta, undated).
Kenny-Herbert, Colonel,  Wyvern's Indian Cookery Book,
        (Higgenbotham & Co., Madras, 1869).
Ketab,  Indian Dishes for English Tables
        (Chapman & Hall, London, 1910).
Lewis, C.C.,  Culinary Notes for Sind
        (C.C.Lewis, Karachi, 1923).
Steele,F.A., and Gardiner, G.,
        The Complete Indian Housekeeper and Cook,
        (Bombay Education Society Press, Bombay, 1893).

[2] If the glossary is insufficient, the reader is commended to
Yule, H., Colonel, and Burnell, A.C.,   Hobson-Jobson: A Glossary
        of Colloquial Anglo-Indian Words and Phrases,
        (Routledge & Kegan Paul, London 1985).

Quite by chance, a search engine I was trying out
returned a whole bunch of spurious links, including:
http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/frameset.html
'The Complete Hobson-Jobson Dictionary' by Yule and Burnell !
Unfortunately this page produces a 'script error' in Win3 IE4
and fails to display, dammit.  Can't locate it in the browser cache
so perhaps somebody could take a dekko and email it to me,
so that I can determine the problem, or else post a de-javascripted,
de-HTML-ized version, if it's not too big or off-topic?

Cheers,
Ray


 
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 More options May 22 2002, 7:18 pm
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From: Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:13:59 +0100
Local: Wed, May 22 2002 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For
Quoting from message <3ceb94b7.15485...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>
 posted on 22 May 2002 by Raymond M. Harris
 I would like to add:

> Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
> interrupted again during tiffin, managed to blurt:
> [2] If the glossary is insufficient, the reader is commended to
> Yule, H., Colonel, and Burnell, A.C.,   Hobson-Jobson: A Glossary
> of Colloquial Anglo-Indian Words and Phrases,
> (Routledge & Kegan Paul, London 1985).

I've seen this listed somewhere (wonder if there's a reprint out) but
can't remember where.

> Quite by chance, a search engine I was trying out
> returned a whole bunch of spurious links, including:
> http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/frameset.html
> 'The Complete Hobson-Jobson Dictionary' by Yule and Burnell !
> Unfortunately this page produces a 'script error' in Win3 IE4
> and fails to display, dammit.  Can't locate it in the browser cache
> so perhaps somebody could take a dekko and email it to me,
> so that I can determine the problem, or else post a de-javascripted,
> de-HTML-ized version, if it's not too big or off-topic?

I got a page with a large blank frame and one at the side with

Bibliomania has more
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 Please wait a few momen
 ts while these load.
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so I knocked the URL back to get the index page of bibliomania, clicked
on the URL for search - but had a page just like the one already mentioned.

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Raymond M. Harris  
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 More options May 23 2002, 8:59 pm
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From: exim...@lineone.net (Raymond M. Harris)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:00:45 GMT
Local: Thurs, May 23 2002 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For
Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
interrupted during tiffin, managed to blurt:

>> http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/frameset.html
>> 'The Complete Hobson-Jobson Dictionary' by Yule and Burnell !

>I got a page with a large blank frame and one at the side with

Blah blah blah

>so I knocked the URL back to get the index page of bibliomania, clicked
>on the URL for search - but had a page just like the one already mentioned.

So it was a dud link, then.  What a shame.  Thanks for trying.

Regards,
Ray


 
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 More options May 25 2002, 3:42 pm
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:31:01 +0100
Local: Thurs, May 23 2002 1:31 am
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For

"Raymond M. Harris" <exim...@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:3ceb94b7.15485774@News.CIS.DFN.DE...

> Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk>
> interrupted again during tiffin, managed to blurt:

> >If you have a book which you think is worth looking out for in secondhand
> >shops and book fairs please post to this thread.

> OK.  Here's one to make up for my previous scurrilous effort,
> and which I've not seen mentioned yet.  An enjoyable read:

> Curries and Bugles  -  A Memoir and Cookbook of the British Raj
> ( Penguin Cookery Library 1992;  pp324,pbk. ISBN 0-14-046893-5 )
> by Jennifer Brennan

I have Curries and Bugles, it is a good addition to any good curry book
collection. My current wish list is as follows.

Leslie Kenton's Healing Herbs (Ebury Press, £19.99)

"Taste of India"
ISBN 1 84309 332 4
published by Hermes House

Afghan Food and Cookery
Helen Saberi
Hippocrene Books
ISBN: 0-7818-0807-3

Helen Saberi, Noshe Djan: Afghan Food & Cookery, New and revised edition
(Blackawton: Prospect Books, 2000), pp. 272, includes bibliography and
index.
How to Cook and Eat in Chinese, by Buwei Yang Chao

The Essential Delhi Cookbook by Priti Narayan. Penguin Books India, New
Delhi.

Non-vegetarian Cook Book by Tahlina Kaul. Fusion Books, New Delhi

All Around the World Cookbook
Sheila Lukins

The Tandoori and Barbecue Cookbook by Ravinder Sachdev (ISBN 81-216-0021-9)


 
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 More options May 25 2002, 3:44 pm
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 20:48:39 +0100
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Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For

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The link does work, I accessed it from my home computer and my work PC.

Steve


 
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 More options May 25 2002, 8:17 pm
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From: exim...@lineone.net (Raymond M. Harris)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:18:22 GMT
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Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For
"Steven Grace" <ste...@grace74.freeserve.co.uk>
interrupted during tiffin, managed to blurt:

>> >> http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/frameset.html
>> >> 'The Complete Hobson-Jobson Dictionary' by Yule and Burnell !

>The link does work, I accessed it from my home computer and my work PC.

Doh!   Typical.   So is the text actually there, or is it just an advert?

Ray


 
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Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 16:17:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Books to Look Out For

"Raymond M. Harris" <exim...@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:3cf02896.53904438@News.CIS.DFN.DE...

> "Steven Grace" <ste...@grace74.freeserve.co.uk>
> interrupted during tiffin, managed to blurt:

> >> >> http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/frameset.html
> >> >> 'The Complete Hobson-Jobson Dictionary' by Yule and Burnell !

> >The link does work, I accessed it from my home computer and my work PC.

> Doh!   Typical.   So is the text actually there, or is it just an advert?

> R

The text is there, once you enter the Hobson Jobson part of the site you get
the alphabet and can enter any letter you like which is then further
sub-divided. Here is the entry for Hobson Jobson

HOBSON-JOBSON, s. A native festal excitement; a tamasha (see TUMASHA); but
especially the Moharram ceremonies. This phrase may be taken as a typical
one of the most highly assimilated class of Anglo- Indian argot, and we have
ventured to borrow from it a concise alternative title for this Glossary. It
is peculiar to the British soldier and his surroundings, with whom it
probably originated, and with whom it is by no means obsolete, as we once
supposed. My friend Major John Trotter tells me that he has repeatedly heard
it used by British soldiers in the Punjab; and has heard it also from a
regimental Moonshee. It is in fact an Anglo-Saxon version of the wailings of
the Mahommedans as they beat their breasts in the procession of the
Moharram-"Ya Hasan ! Ya Hosain !' It is to be remembered that these
observances are in India by no means confined t o Shi'as. Except at Lucknow
and Murshidabad, the great majority of Mahommedans in the country are
professed Sunnis. Yet here is a statement of the facts from an
unexceptionable authority:

"The commonalty of the Mussalmans, and especially the women, have more
regard for the memory of Hasan and Husein, than for that of Muhammad and his
khalifs. The heresy of making Ta'ziyas (see TAZEEA) on the anniversary of
the two latter imáms, is most common throughout India: so much so that
opposition to it is ascribed by the ignorant to blasphemy. This example is
followed by many of the Hindus, especially the Mahrattas. The Muharram is
celebrated throughout the Dekhan and Malwa, with greater enthusiasm than in
other parts of India. Grand preparations are made in every town on the
occasion, as if for a festival of rejoicing, rather than of observing the
rites of mourning, as they ought. The observance of this custom has so
strong a hold on the mind of the commonalty of the Mussulmans that they
believe Muhammadanism to depend merely on keeping the memory of the imáms in
the above manner." -Mir Shahamat 'Ali, in J.R. As. Soc. xiii. 369.

We find no literary quotation to exemplify the phrase as it stands. [But see
those from the Orient. Sporting Mag. and Nineteenth Century below.] Those
which follow show it in the process of evolution: 1618.-". e particolarmente
delle donne che, battendosi il petto e facendo gesti di grandissima
compassiono replicano spesso con gran dolore quegli ultimi versi di certi
loro cantici: Van Hussein ! sciah Hussein !"-P. della Valle, i. 552.

c. 1630.-"Nine dayes they wander up and downe (shaving all that while
neither head nor beard, nor seeming joyfull), incessantly calling out
Hussan, Hussan! in a melancholy note, so long, so fiercely, that many can
neither howle longer, nor for a month's space recover their voices."-Sir T.
Herbert, 261.

1653.-". ils dressent dans les rues des Sepulchres de pierres, qu'ils
couronnent de Lampes ardentes, et les soirs ils y vont dancer et sauter
crians Hussan, Houssain, Houssain, Hassan. ."-De la Boullayele-Gouz, ed.
1657, p. 144.

c. 1665.-". ainsi j'eus tout le loisir dont j'eus besoin pour y voir
celebrer la Fête de Hussein Fils d'Aly. . Les Mores de Golconde le celebrent
avec encore beaucoup plus de folies qu'en Perse . d'autres font des dances
en rond, tenant des épées nës la pointe en haut, qu'ils touchent les unes
contre les autres, en criant de toute leur force Hussein."-Thevenot, v. 320.

1673.-"About this time the Moors solemnize the Exequies of Hosseen Gosseen,
a time of ten days Mourning for two Unfortunate Champions of theirs."-Fryer,


 
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