After A levels.
Rachel
I'm going to be hopefully studying for a Psychology degree in a year and a
half's time with the OU, after I finish my A levels (Psychology, Sociology,
French).
I understand the theory behind Level 1, 2, and 3 courses.
However, since I'll have an A Level in Psychology, would I really need to do
a Level 1 course? I realise they're a good basis for studying etc, but I'll
have a (hard toiled for!) A level in it.
Anyone advise where I should start? I've already lost one year of my studies
due to a car crash and don't want to lose another along the line.
Thanks
Rachel
Ewar Woowar
http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?Q02B07_psychology
If you want to be a psychologist, you need an BPS accredited degree; the OU
named degree in psychology would be suitable. You could choose any level or
subject instead of level 1 studies if you feel level 1 too easy, or you
could take 120 points in one year, taking a 60 point level 1 course
alongside a 60 point level 2, and do the whole degree in 3 years.
If you want to be a psychologist, an MSc and/or PhD would be useful and you
need to get at least a 2i or better still a 1st, to be accepted. If you just
want a general education around psychology, take any courses you find
interesting.
HTH
Prashant Meswani
If you are going to do a named degree (i.e. a Psychology degree), then you
will need to do a level 1 course. Ewar has already posted the details about
the course....and I would recommend the path suggested. You can do an
unnamed degree and skip the Level 1 courses, but that is dependant on
whether or not you will have enough credit points transferred from your
A-Levels. I wouldn't recommend doing an unnamed degree, especially if you
want to be a Psychologist. HTH.
Prashant.
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consuming
because it finds a lot of context in the US. Most Europeans aren't
aware of the following:
- In the US it is entirely possible to graduate from high school
without having demonstrated reasonable leves of literacy, both written
and spoken. A H.S. graduation Diploma can be awarded by discretion and
it resides with the head of the school. Inner city schools do this
regularly as they face pressures from funding if their approval rates
are too low.
- There are three ways of earning a high school diploma in the US. a)
GED, which requires that you sit in an exam, sort of protored, but
again at the discretion of whoever holds the venue. It is equivalent
to more or less the level of knowledge, intelectual skill and literacy
which in the UK students ought to have by their 15th or 16th birthday;
b) High School Diploma which is equivalent to o levels and High School
Diploma with AP (Advanced Placement) equivalent to the highest level
in the UK (and the International Bac)
- Now, the American BA is 4- years long BUT if you have a High School
Diploma with 5 AP exams you do only 3 years ...
- Conclusion: US high school education is a lot worse than the
European average and lasts one year longer.
- another aspect: There are some 3,000 universities in America. a
friend of mine taught at Northwestern U. in Evanston (North of
Chicago). She's a medical scientist from Germany and tells me that
during her 5 year stay, she arrived at the conclusion that:
a) it is entirely possible to get high school graduates at
universities who have never read abook, who can't read or write
proprely and who can't speak decently.
b) of the 3,000 universities, less than 50 are actually decent
univerisites at a level which we in Europe are used to. She tells me
that in Chicago alone, only Northwestern and the U. of Chicago have a
solid international profile. There is a network of city owned colleges
(Undergraduate Univeristy) called City Colleges of Chicago with an
annual turnover of 1st degree graduates in the order of 5,000. She
tells me the level of the college is bellow that of an excellent
private high school in Manchester ...
- It is entirely possible to tlak your way to a PhD in the American
system showing deficiencies which Europeans who not accept. You can
get the GED then an Associate's Degreee, then a Ba, then a Ma and
finally a fast track 2 or 3 year PhD without reading much or writting
that much either ... If you ahve say USD250,000 ready to pay the
various colleges at diferent stages you can be assured that you will
earn the PhD with reasonable certainty ...
- There is a cult around graduates of the Ivy League Univeristies -
Penn, Harvard, Yale, etc). To give you an example: at the U. of
Chicago 1st year students learn English from classical translatins of
Homer, Plato and Aristotle ... America is a land of contrasts, but one
thing is for sure - What's bad in America is really bad and certainly
a lot worse than in Europe.
- Ah! America the land of plenty!
I know this is a bit off topic but I couldn't help since the original
poster is a high school student in the UK.
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Angela
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You have to complete the 4 compulsory 60 point courses plus the
project. the remaining 120 can be pretty much a free choice. Why
make your job harder by only doing level 2 and 3 courses, afterall
you wouldn't ever go to a standard university and start in the second
year skipping the first year completely. Level 1 is a nice
introduction to studying at undergraduate level.
Angela
mike.james
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>
> You have to complete the 4 compulsory 60 point courses plus the
> project. the remaining 120 can be pretty much a free choice. Why
> make your job harder by only doing level 2 and 3 courses, afterall
> you wouldn't ever go to a standard university and start in the second
> year skipping the first year completely. Level 1 is a nice
> introduction to studying at undergraduate level.
>
> Angela
>
Reasons for not wanting to do a Level 1 course:
a) Cost
b) If you already know much of the material they can be very boring.
c) They can be hard work compared with higher level courses
d) There are lots of more interesting level 2 and 3 courses that can make
your final degree more attractive.
mikej
Prashant Meswani
1. All named degrees require you to do at least 1 or 2 of them.
I do agree that Level 1 courses are boring, but it does help to gradually
get use to learning at a distance. :-)
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Tiggs
by the BPS.
I took DD100 last year as a Level 1 course, so you may prefer to do the
Level 2 course Exploring Psychology at the same time. You have to take these
modules & you need to get a First.
You only need 1 (pr in some cases 2) PHDs if you want to be a clinical
pyschologist. You can work in a lot of areas just with your BSC.
HTH
Anna
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Rachel
> Reason for doing a Level 1 course,
>
> 1. All named degrees require you to do at least 1 or 2 of them.
>
> I do agree that Level 1 courses are boring, but it does help to gradually
> get use to learning at a distance. :-)
So, no matter what, I am *required* to do one? (it doesn't really bother me
that much but..)
I'm just thinking - if I left school, did nothing until I was 18, then
enrolled in OU, i'd be in exactly the same place?
at the end of it all, not including the fact that college is a great
experience socially and mentally, was college worth it, if i'd just be in
the same place doing a degree if i'd done nothing after school?
Yeah, it looks good on my cv, me going to college and all that.. but still??
consuming
If you are 16, 17 or 18 now and you are attending high school as you
say you are it would be seen as strange if you were to drop out now,
then enrol at the OU on your 18th birthday.
A very large majority, probably more than 60%, of those who attend the
OU to earn their first degrees are mature students who return to
studying after a 10 to 20 year hiatus (since they left high school or
simply dropped out at various age levels).
You aren't a mature student! It is silly, stupid, shortsighted to do
what you seem to plan to do ...
Another aspect: A 1st year University course is NOT identical to
anything you could be doing during your last years of high school. A
few points:
- specialism - you read more and in depth
- research - you have to run experiements which are a lot more
comprehensive and detailed
- reading - you will be reading in depth
The heuristics you are using to deal with this issue is incorrect: the
only variable which interests you is the fact that the OU accepts
anyone aged 18 with or without high school. Then why are you one of
the very few thinking about bridging 1. not finishing high school and
2. studying at the OU?
From your defenition of the problem my suggestion is - finish high
school and attend a local Univeristy. Forget about the OU altogether.
Something else: don't ever become a mature student, never, ever, ever!
The guys that study a first degree when they are 30, 35, 40, etc find
it really hard. Study is something which you get used to and the more
you get used to the more naturally you do it. Since I finished my
first degree some 20 years ago I never, ever found it dificult to read
any book and to write about it. In fact, I've been doing that ever
since and read some 50 books a year mostly on issues which I like. As
such to do a MAster's and then a PhD will not be as dificult as mot
people assume to be.
Do NOT become a mature student ever, in your life, especially when you
don't have to!
Roger
Brussels
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Les Goodwin
wrote:
>Something else: don't ever become a mature student, never, ever, ever!
so what you're trying to say is that old farts like me should just
walk away from education?
I left school at 15 and started the OU about 7 years ago with a gap of
<ahem> years.
I have had problems with returning to studying but worked it through.
I thoroughly enjoy "taxing the grey cells"
regards
les
Andrew R
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> Rachel:
>
> If you are 16, 17 or 18 now and you are attending high school as you
> say you are it would be seen as strange if you were to drop out now,
> then enrol at the OU on your 18th birthday.
>
> A very large majority, probably more than 60%, of those who attend the
> OU to earn their first degrees are mature students who return to
> studying after a 10 to 20 year hiatus (since they left high school or
> simply dropped out at various age levels).
>
> You aren't a mature student! It is silly, stupid, shortsighted to do
> what you seem to plan to do ...
She did not say that she planned to do this. She mearly stated that it would
not make much difference in the long term (which is correct).
>
> Another aspect: A 1st year University course is NOT identical to
> anything you could be doing during your last years of high school. A
> few points:
>
> - specialism - you read more and in depth
> - research - you have to run experiements which are a lot more
> comprehensive and detailed
> - reading - you will be reading in depth
>
> The heuristics you are using to deal with this issue is incorrect: the
> only variable which interests you is the fact that the OU accepts
> anyone aged 18 with or without high school. Then why are you one of
> the very few thinking about bridging 1. not finishing high school and
> 2. studying at the OU?
>
Given that it is far easier to work and do and OU degree, than work and
attend a full-time institution I think the introduction of top-up fees could
well prompt this path being more acceptable to 18 year olds.
> From your defenition of the problem my suggestion is - finish high
> school and attend a local Univeristy. Forget about the OU altogether.
>
This is going to be a more costly exercise in the furture.
Rachel
> > school and attend a local Univeristy. Forget about the OU altogether.
> >
>
> This is going to be a more costly exercise in the furture.
Yeah, also my choice of universities is limited - I don't want to move away
(see below). Therefore my only option is commuting (30 mins drive) to the
nearest university, which TBH, is a jumped-up college anyway.
No offence to anyone at university at the moment, but I've seen the squalor
that they are forced to live in (shared houses, I've stayed in one with a
friend..) and I *really* don't fancy that for 3/4 years - especially when I
can get exactly the same degree from the OU, and also perhaps get a part
time job during this for some money coming in.
I'm not about to drop out of college, I enjoy it, and I can finish it. I
suppose I thought Level 1 courses were perhaps similar to A Level courses?
after all, it does go school-college-uni.
Also I have a back problem (after a car crash) which unfortunately may
hinder education at university.
Thanks
Rachel
hugh.w.p
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foundation next or even as the last course when it will be a breeze then
rgds
hugh
consuming
between a 23 year old with a 1st degree with brilliant grades and a 40
year old also with brilliant grades (OU or not, the variable is absent
as it was), I'd rush for the 23 year old (as I did). Why? Simple:
freshness, not ot mention that 40 year olds tend to be in crisis,
either they enter into crisis or they stay "critical" for 5 years
until they find out whatever they had to find out ...
So the question is: would I hire an "old fart" who decided to get a
degree 20 years latter? No I wouldn't and in fact you will see that it
is extraorinarily dificult for them to get jobs.
Distance education, open or not is a milited model of learning. it
immediately excludes practical lab work (essencial for the sciences
and the fine arts, music, etc) and face-to-face discussion (essencial
for all the humanities and social sciences).
I would never replace live education for distance education. Even if
you want to study Art History, Literature, Sociology, Philosophy you
need practical and discussion classes. Personally I see the OU model a
poor model of learning. If people go for it and if there is sufficient
articulation to construct meaning about the OU by media makers,
newsmakers, power brokers, etc, etc, I could care less and the fact
is: high school graduates rush to regular universities, NOT to the OU.
For instance, I have an interest in cultural-politcial-philosophical
arguments which deal with the formation of knowledge, it's regulation,
it's promotion which is partially adresssed by the OU MA in Media and
Cultural Studies. I might be doing it simply because I read English
exclusively. Had it not been the case I would go to a local University
here in Belgium, or Holland or Germany, within 1 hour travel distance
a couple of times a week. Actually I've just found that there are
other UK Universities offering distance learning modes of delivery for
a similar MA (Communications, Media, etc) but which also offer a large
presential component (discussions, live lessons) a few times a year
and for a fraction of the cost of the OU. The OU is expensive and they
know it. they have tried to construct an image which in my opinion is
not valid.
Furthermore, we are social animals and we learn much better as a
group. this concept promoted by some that one can learn almost
anything alone is simply not true and research proves it!
So, the OU has inumerous limitations and very few advanatges, unless
of course, you are an "old fart" and didn't study when you had to! You
can't turn the clock back can you?
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Prashant Meswani
your first year, especially as you are a continuing student (regardless of
what institute you have come from)....but saying that...you have plenty of
time. As you said, you can get a part-time job, just so that you can get an
income whilst studying....so take it easy and do things properly...otherwise
you may regret it. I started my life in the OU with 1 level 1 course (30
points) and 1 level 2 course (60 points). This wasn't recommended by the OU
(because I am Dyslexic), but I did it anyway. And guess what? I passed and I
am still here with the OU. You may want to do the same thing I did...but
that is up to you. At the end of the day, it's up to you what you do, don't
let us sway you. You may want to speak to a student advisor at your Regional
Centre (wherever you may be in the Country) to seek some professional
advice. Having a back problem won't hinder your chances of studying at any
of the Uni's in the UK, so don't let that stop you. Good luck with what you
decide.
Regards,
Prashant.
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Peter Thomsen
Puha, that was a lot ...
If you had written this in my class I would have given you "not passed". You
say some thing that I agree with, and others that I don't (thats not the
reason for giving you "not passed") but, you also counterdict yourself
several places.
You speak of "distance learning"; "OU"; OU vs. regular universities; OU vs.
other universities providing distance learning. Well, hereafter comes the
classical failure. you come with a lot of semi-conclusions which are
supposed to support your main conclusion that the OU doesn't work. There is
no direct correlation between the main and the semi. You have to sepparate
them !
> If I had to choose (as I already had to do in the not so distant past)
> between a 23 year old with a 1st degree with brilliant grades and a 40
> year old also with brilliant grades (OU or not, the variable is absent
> as it was), I'd rush for the 23 year old (as I did).
So would I, in most cases, but not in all ...
> Why? Simple:
> freshness, not ot mention that 40 year olds tend to be in crisis,
> either they enter into crisis or they stay "critical" for 5 years
> until they find out whatever they had to find out ...
OK, this was a bad argument. Clearly shows prejudice biased by something (I
don't know what).
> So the question is: would I hire an "old fart" who decided to get a
> degree 20 years latter? No I wouldn't and in fact you will see that it
> is extraorinarily dificult for them to get jobs.
Yes, it is difficult to get a job. But, this has nothing to do with your
claim: that they are applying with an OU degree. It is hard to get a job for
all seniors! I will not comment on the rest now. If you have a university
degree you know what I am talking about. Since you are talking about
recruitment I would advise you to study some management, and research method
would also be good, if you want to analyse and compare (as you tried).
Because, you have some good thoughts and several good points. You focus on
many right things.
> Distance education, open or not is a milited model of learning. it
> immediately excludes practical lab work (essencial for the sciences
> and the fine arts, music, etc) and face-to-face discussion (essencial
> for all the humanities and social sciences).
Why should a F2F confrontation be essential ?? A lot of research has been
done on this subject. The last I heard giving a lecture on distance learning
was Professor Hubert Dreufuss (from some US University, can't remember
which. But he was invited to Copenhagen to give this lecture). He was to
give a critical statement of Distance Learning. He (also) presented a
methodological disaster, but nevertheless he had not been able to prove what
you claim.
> I would never replace live education for distance education.
There are always cost benefits to take into account. I would.
> Even if
> you want to study Art History, Literature, Sociology, Philosophy you
> need practical and discussion classes.
Sure, where is the constraint here ?
> Personally I see the OU model a
> poor model of learning.
This might be true. I don't know how they teach.
> the fact
> is: high school graduates rush to regular universities, NOT to the OU.
Eh, the OU costs money and the regular don't. Am I right ? Anyway, I would
(almost) not advise anyone either comming directly out of high-school to
take up OU, but again your claim doesn't prove anything. Just because 1bio
flyes eat sh.. it doesen't mean we all should !?
> I might be doing it simply because I read English
> exclusively. Had it not been the case I would go to a local University
> here in Belgium, or Holland or Germany,
I haven't heard of any university in Europe that doens't give (some)
lectures in English
> within 1 hour travel distance
> a couple of times a week. Actually I've just found that there are
> other UK Universities offering distance learning modes of delivery for
> a similar MA (Communications, Media, etc) but which also offer a large
> presential component (discussions, live lessons) a few times a year
> and for a fraction of the cost of the OU. The OU is expensive and they
> know it. they have tried to construct an image which in my opinion is
> not valid.
I am not able to discuss OU vs. other Uni. I haven't attended OU-UK directly
yet. But, you hereby countrerdict yourself by stating that distance learning
can be good.
> Furthermore, we are social animals and we learn much better as a
> group. this concept promoted by some that one can learn almost
> anything alone is simply not true and research proves it!
What research are you reffering to ?? Research says much about learning. I
could name severel books I would advice you to read. I agree. Groups are
good in many cases, but not in all. Teams are even better .. but again, not
always. And very few universities are able to combine effective groups or
teams.
> So, the OU has inumerous limitations and very few advanatges,
Everything has.
> unless
> of course, you are an "old fart" and didn't study when you had to!
Yes, this is one advantage that the OU has. But, I am positive that it's not
the only one !!
> You
> can't turn the clock back can you?
Can you ??
--
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cons...@hispavista.com wibbled...
> If I had to choose (as I already had to do in the not so distant past)
> between a 23 year old with a 1st degree with brilliant grades and a 40
> year old also with brilliant grades (OU or not, the variable is absent
> as it was), I'd rush for the 23 year old (as I did).
Well, thank goodness for the new legislation outlawing age
discrimination then! Personally I'd take someone with life experience
over a kid any day.
Suzi
Suzi
[all snipped]
I take it you aren't an OU student?
Suzi
Peter Thomsen
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> Personally I'd take someone with life experience
> over a kid any day.
Well, there are many factors influencing why this shouldn't be done, and
therefore "consuming" is right when he says that it is hard to get a job for
seniors. Then again, it is all depending on the job-task, period of
employment etc. For most projects a person with life experience would be the
best choice.
consuming
> say some thing that I agree with, and others that I don't (thats not the
> reason for giving you "not passed") but, you also counterdict yourself
> several places.
There's nothing like being in academia to protect your own mediocrity.
Now the real worl dis something else isn't it? Or is it? You can't
fail me and i certainly am not looking tobe passed by you or by anyone
else, except by myself!
> You speak of "distance learning"; "OU"; OU vs. regular universities; OU vs.
> other universities providing distance learning. Well, hereafter comes the
> classical failure. you come with a lot of semi-conclusions which are
> supposed to support your main conclusion that the OU doesn't work. There is
> no direct correlation between the main and the semi. You have to sepparate
> them !
You do that. Distance laerning is simply a poor model of learning. As
simple as that.
> OK, this was a bad argument. Clearly shows prejudice biased by something (I
> don't know what).
Ask someone running a company for profit and in need of a specailist
in any area of technology which of the two he would prefer to have:
a) a 40- year old fart who got a degree by distance learning or a
b) 23 year old who got the same in a traditional university with more
than 200 hours lab practice a year for 3 or 4 years ...
Need glasses mate?
> Yes, it is difficult to get a job. But, this has nothing to do with your
> claim: that they are applying with an OU degree. It is hard to get a job for
> all seniors! I will not comment on the rest now. If you have a university
> degree you know what I am talking about. Since you are talking about
> recruitment I would advise you to study some management, and research method
> would also be good, if you want to analyse and compare (as you tried).
ibid.
> Why should a F2F confrontation be essential ?? A lot of research has been
> done on this subject. The last I heard giving a lecture on distance learning
> was Professor Hubert Dreufuss (from some US University, can't remember
> which. But he was invited to Copenhagen to give this lecture). He was to
> give a critical statement of Distance Learning. He (also) presented a
> methodological disaster, but nevertheless he had not been able to prove what
> you claim.
Univeristy professors giving assessements about what businesses do is
a fun thing to listen for a very short amount of time. It becomes
seriously boring. I have noticed that university professors like that
sort of thing. "If you can't make it you teach". Isn't that true. or
is it?
> > You
> > can't turn the clock back can you?
> Can you ??
Wouldn't that be lovely! Yes please!
Thom
> If you want to be a psychologist, an MSc and/or PhD would be useful and you
> need to get at least a 2i or better still a 1st, to be accepted. If you
Neither an MSc or PhD is required - it depends what area of psychology
you want to go into. Generally professional psychology requires about
three years of experience, but different areas have different routes
(and statutory registration may come in very soon and change things
further). For example, clinical psychology and educational psychology I
think now require taught doctorates (DClin or DEd types), academic
psychology would normally require a PhD (but there are exceptions). MSc
qualifications tend to be in job specifications for some jobs that would
give you experience in other areas of psychology (Forensic,
Occupational) but I don't think they are compulsory yet.
Thom
Peter Thomsen
First let me start by saying that you didn's boughter to answer ANY of my
questions, why ?? I commented your remarks fairly, didn't I ?
Here are a few more, sepparated by numbers so you might find them easyer.
1) Have you ever attended distance learning
1.a) If yes, what kind, and where ?
2) Have you attended OU ?
2a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why didn't you
finish ?
3) Have you ever attended a "brick" university
3a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why didn't you
finish ?
The rest of my (new) questions you might find below. They end at the
question mark.
> You can't
> fail me and i certainly am not looking tobe passed by you or by anyone
> else, except by myself!
Sure I can. Your argumentation sucks, mister !
Actually I firstly thought of you as argumentative and wanting to have a
fair and clean discussion. Unfortunately I had to be dissapointed. :-(
>> hereafter comes the classical failure. you come with a lot of
>> semi-conclusions which are supposed to support your main conclusion
>> that the OU doesn't work. There is no direct correlation between the
>> main and the semi. You have to sepparate them !
>
> You do that.
I have tryed to shouw you where you go wrong, and where you should sepperate
your argumentation.
> Distance laerning is simply a poor model of learning. As
> simple as that.
Depending on what you compare with. As simple as that ! You are WAY TO
narrow sighted.
>> OK, this was a bad argument. Clearly shows prejudice biased by
>> something (I don't know what).
Read this statement and answer where your bias comes from ?
> Ask someone running a company for profit and in need of a specailist
> in any area of technology which of the two he would prefer to have:
>
> a) a 40- year old fart who got a degree by distance learning or a
> b) 23 year old who got the same in a traditional university with more
> than 200 hours lab practice a year for 3 or 4 years ...
Sometimes "a", and most often (as you correctly imply) "b".
>> Why should a F2F confrontation be essential ?? A lot of research has
>> been done on this subject. The last I heard giving a lecture on
>> distance learning was Professor Hubert Dreufuss (from some US
>> University, can't remember which. But he was invited to Copenhagen
>> to give this lecture). He was to give a critical statement of
>> Distance Learning. He (also) presented a methodological disaster,
>> but nevertheless he had not been able to prove what you claim.
>
> Univeristy professors giving assessements about what businesses do is
> a fun thing to listen for a very short amount of time. It becomes
> seriously boring. I have noticed that university professors like that
> sort of thing.
So, now your saying "brick" universities aren't worth anything eather, right
? Well then. The only thing left would be life experience, am I right ??
Now, who would you employ: a) Some old fart with relevant life experience
for position "x", or b) Some old fart with relevant life experience for
position "x" and a distance learning degree on top of it ??
> "If you can't make it you teach". Isn't that true. or
> is it?
Sometimes, but far from always ! ! ! There are numerous reasons for teaching
instead and not "working". In Denmark university teachers** are not
"teachers" but researchers.
** Some are only teaching, but they teach part time, as a bonus to their
civilian career, which is quite fair !
>>> You
>>> can't turn the clock back can you?
>> Can you ??
>
> Wouldn't that be lovely! Yes please!
So, you can't either ...
--
Man skal ikke accellerere fragmenter af geologisk art, når man selv bot i
trasperant domicil !
Peter Thomsen
consuming
You've got to be kidding me and yourself too! The world's easiest
thing to discriminate, together with 1) sex and 2) race. The UK
strives on that ...
consuming
> questions, why ?? I commented your remarks fairly, didn't I ?
Did you? Why do you ask? What for? What's the purpose? To get some
sort of feedback? bytes are a dime a dozen
> Here are a few more, sepparated by numbers so you might find them easyer.
> 1) Have you ever attended distance learning
Yes
> 1.a) If yes, what kind, and where ?
OU
> 2) Have you attended OU ?
Yes
> 2a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why didn't you
> finish ?
IThere you go again. I finished. Level 3, History of Art, 20th century
> 3) Have you ever attended a "brick" university
yes
> 3a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why didn't you
> finish ?
wrong assumptions pal. finished, twice what I started. BA then MA. Now
looking to do a new MA, the second. got ideas which I want to
communicate, live, not via the net mate! live, with real people, ina
classroom, in a postgraduate seminar.
> The rest of my (new) questions you might find below. They end at the
> question mark.
>
>
> > You can't
> > fail me and i certainly am not looking tobe passed by you or by anyone
> > else, except by myself!
>
>
> Sure I can. Your argumentation sucks, mister !
> Actually I firstly thought of you as argumentative and wanting to have a
> fair and clean discussion. Unfortunately I had to be dissapointed. :-(
I'm not disappointed. Hardly am. Hope nothing.
> >> hereafter comes the classical failure. you come with a lot of
> >> semi-conclusions which are supposed to support your main conclusion
> >> that the OU doesn't work. There is no direct correlation between the
> >> main and the semi. You have to sepparate them !
> >
> > You do that.
Thanks for gicing me permission.
> I have tryed to shouw you where you go wrong, and where you should sepperate
> your argumentation.
>
> > Distance laerning is simply a poor model of learning. As
> > simple as that.
>
> Depending on what you compare with. As simple as that ! You are WAY TO
> narrow sighted.
Aren't you? On top you hope. I don't!
> >> OK, this was a bad argument. Clearly shows prejudice biased by
> >> something (I don't know what).
>
> Read this statement and answer where your bias comes from ?
Capitalism, attempts to turn me into a docile creature. Couldn't be
done. then at age 17 started reading Foucault. People like you got mad
at me! I spotted them!
> > Ask someone running a company for profit and in need of a specailist
> > in any area of technology which of the two he would prefer to have:
> >
> > a) a 40- year old fart who got a degree by distance learning or a
> > b) 23 year old who got the same in a traditional university with more
> > than 200 hours lab practice a year for 3 or 4 years ...
>
> Sometimes "a", and most often (as you correctly imply) "b".
how's your sexuality these days?
> >> Why should a F2F confrontation be essential ?? A lot of research has
> >> been done on this subject. The last I heard giving a lecture on
> >> distance learning was Professor Hubert Dreufuss (from some US
> >> University, can't remember which. But he was invited to Copenhagen
> >> to give this lecture). He was to give a critical statement of
> >> Distance Learning. He (also) presented a methodological disaster,
> >> but nevertheless he had not been able to prove what you claim.
> >
> > Univeristy professors giving assessements about what businesses do is
> > a fun thing to listen for a very short amount of time. It becomes
> > seriously boring. I have noticed that university professors like that
> > sort of thing.
>
> So, now your saying "brick" universities aren't worth anything eather, right
> ? Well then. The only thing left would be life experience, am I right ??
> Now, who would you employ: a) Some old fart with relevant life experience
> for position "x", or b) Some old fart with relevant life experience for
> position "x" and a distance learning degree on top of it ??
"eather" supposed tobe "either" right? no problem. I sometimes do it
dressed do, whilst the elevator goes up- fast, passionate, great!
c) old fart with good professional experience and degree with large
practical component from brick uni.
> > "If you can't make it you teach". Isn't that true. or
> > is it?
>
> Sometimes, but far from always ! ! ! There are numerous reasons for teaching
> instead and not "working". In Denmark university teachers** are not
> "teachers" but researchers.
"John: hurry up the cleaners are coming"
"Sorry honey, those aren't the clearners. They are the sanitation
technitians. See that one? That's a master technician and the other is
assistant technician"
> ** Some are only teaching, but they teach part time, as a bonus to their
> civilian career, which is quite fair !
"If you can't make it full-time, make it part-time"
> >>> You
> >>> can't turn the clock back can you?
> >> Can you ??
> >
> > Wouldn't that be lovely! Yes please!
>
> So, you can't either ...
Never hoped to do anything like that. Not in this planet!
-:)
consuming
-:)
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Saubryn
> > So, now your saying "brick" universities aren't worth anything eather,
right
> > ? Well then. The only thing left would be life experience, am I right ??
> > Now, who would you employ: a) Some old fart with relevant life
experience
> > for position "x", or b) Some old fart with relevant life experience for
> > position "x" and a distance learning degree on top of it ??
>
> "eather" supposed tobe "either" right? no problem. I sometimes do it
> dressed do, whilst the elevator goes up- fast, passionate, great!
Considering the number of spelling mistakes you have been making in your
posts, perhaps you aren't the best person to be commenting on the mistakes
of others.
I'm not normally one to flame people for their typing, as every spelling
flame usually manages to contain an error itself, but in this case I could
not resist a comment.
Someone who claims to be well qualified, but makes several mistakes, and
allows a discussion to degenerate into insults doesn't quite make sense to
me....
--
Saubryn (Started a degree in a brick uni, continuing part time through the
OU for financial reasons)
Angela
"Saubryn" <jjj...@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj.com> wrote in message
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> Someone who claims to be well qualified, but makes several
mistakes, and
> allows a discussion to degenerate into insults doesn't quite make
sense to
> me....
>
> --
> Saubryn (Started a degree in a brick uni, continuing part time
through the
> OU for financial reasons)
Well said Saubryn
consuming
> posts, perhaps you aren't the best person to be commenting on the mistakes
> of others.
But you are. Aren't you? Or are you? If so why? When? How often?
> I'm not normally one to flame people for their typing, as every spelling
> flame usually manages to contain an error itself, but in this case I could
> not resist a comment.
You need to speak to Fred more often. Lack of communication. Can
develop into congestions.
> Someone who claims to be well qualified, but makes several mistakes, and
> allows a discussion to degenerate into insults doesn't quite make sense to
> me....
I claimed to have no hope, to expect nothnig, just as I expect nothnig
from you. Much prefer to discover. The "Ahhh!" is far more reawarding
than the "Fuck, I didn't expect that". I said I don't dwell in
mediocrity, especially academic mediocrity a la OU from top to bottom.
The construction of sense, of meaning is a loop in itself. You are
stuck. Get out and look at the shit you built! Its you, Fred and the
loop! Then again maybe you have no fucking idea as to what I'm talking
about, which to be fair, should be a blessing from your perspective.
Qualification and temperature. How do you know cold isn't warm?
-:)
Peter Thomsen
Oh, this time you did better. Nice to have a discussion going again.
Btw. Do you agree that we have a discussion going ?
> Level 3,
Doesn't mean anything to me ..
>> 3) Have you ever attended a "brick" university
> yes
Which ?
>> 3a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why
>> didn't you finish ?
> wrong assumptions pal. finished, twice what I started. BA then MA.
In what ?
> Now
> looking to do a new MA,
Thought you hated educational institutions, professors, teachers etc. But,
nevertheless, good idea, never to late to learn :-)
How old are you (don't answer it if you think this is to personal, no prob)
:-)
>>>> hereafter comes the classical failure. you come with a lot of
>>>> semi-conclusions which are supposed to support your main conclusion
>>>> that the OU doesn't work. There is no direct correlation between
>>>> the main and the semi. You have to sepparate them !
>>>
>>> You do that.
>
> Thanks for gicing me permission.
Oh, the "You do that" was written by you, not me.
>>> Distance laerning is simply a poor model of learning. As
>>> simple as that.
OK, you attended the OU. What kind of teaching, communication etc. do they /
did they provide on your course ? I also have some bad experiences with
distance learning, but also quite a few good ones! Therefore I subscribed to
this group, to learn more about the OU :-)
>> Depending on what you compare with. As simple as that ! You are WAY
>> TO narrow sighted.
>
> Aren't you? On top you hope. I don't!
I try not to be. I always try to assess from all sides.
> how's your sexuality these days?
Heh, could have been better ... are you offering something ;-)
>> So, now your saying "brick" universities aren't worth anything
>> eather, right ? Well then. The only thing left would be life
>> experience, am I right ?? Now, who would you employ: a) Some old
>> fart with relevant life experience for position "x", or b) Some old
>> fart with relevant life experience for position "x" and a distance
>> learning degree on top of it ??
>
> "eather" supposed tobe "either" right?
no, eater, as in Man eater ;-) Yes, either is right.
> c) old fart with good professional experience and degree with large
> practical component from brick uni.
But of course you would.
>>> "If you can't make it you teach". Isn't that true. or
>>> is it?
>>
>> Sometimes, but far from always ! ! ! There are numerous reasons for
>> teaching instead and not "working". In Denmark university teachers**
>> are not "teachers" but researchers.
>
> "John: hurry up the cleaners are coming"
> "Sorry honey, those aren't the clearners. They are the sanitation
> technitians. See that one? That's a master technician and the other is
> assistant technician"
No, a researcher is a bad teacher. Has no knowledge of teaching but to much
knowledge of some little narrow issue, that he thinks is the most intresting
in the world.
>> ** Some are only teaching, but they teach part time, as a bonus to
>> their civilian career, which is quite fair !
>
> "If you can't make it full-time, make it part-time"
In Denmark students assess the performance of the teachers, and if they
don't do well, they are fired !! So in this case you are wrong.
--
Regards, yours truly madly
(-: Peter Thomsen :-)
consuming
> "consuming" <cons...@hispavista.com> wrote in message
> news:46625664.04010...@posting.google.com
> Oh, this time you did better. Nice to have a discussion going again.
> Btw. Do you agree that we have a discussion going ?
> > Level 3,
> Doesn't mean anything to me ..
> >> 3) Have you ever attended a "brick" university
> > yes
> Which ?
> >> 3a) If yes, what level, what degree, how far did you get, and why
> >> didn't you finish ?
> > wrong assumptions pal. finished, twice what I started. BA then MA.
> In what ?
Photography/Art (BA), Art (MA)
> > Now
> > looking to do a new MA,
> Thought you hated educational institutions, professors, teachers etc. But,
> nevertheless, good idea, never to late to learn :-)
> How old are you (don't answer it if you think this is to personal, no prob)
> :-)
Sutdying, reading, analyzing is fundamental to keep the synapses
working...
> >>>> hereafter comes the classical failure. you come with a lot of
> >>>> semi-conclusions which are supposed to support your main conclusion
> >>>> that the OU doesn't work. There is no direct correlation between
> >>>> the main and the semi. You have to sepparate them !
> >>> You do that.
> > Thanks for gicing me permission.
> Oh, the "You do that" was written by you, not me.
yes, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
> > how's your sexuality these days?
> Heh, could have been better ... are you offering something ;-)
You like to have your ass warmed up?!
> No, a researcher is a bad teacher. Has no knowledge of teaching but to much
> knowledge of some little narrow issue, that he thinks is the most intresting
> in the world.
Oh yes, I agree. The great thinkers, artists, writers, etc, never
attended university, or most certainly never did a full course of
study like a degree. That is my problem. I'm an INTJ (1% of the
population) with superb textual analysis and creativity. For instance
I'0ve been reading what university professors (researchers) say about
Foucault. To name just one case. I've read Foucualt, most of his books
over the course of 20 years. I simply find him to have been THE 20th
century philosopher along Kant or Hegel. My readings from Foucualt
lead me to VERY DIFERENT conclusions. some people have read my
conclusions and they found them a lot more interesting that what's
published out there by researchers, pseudo-philosophers and university
professors.
As you can image I needn't do a MA, MPhill or PhD to learn about
anything. I can learn and indeed have been learning on my own. I read
around 50 titles a year and write on them. In actual fact I must have
already produced the work which is equivalent to at least one PhD
without aiming specifically to one such degree.
For instance, I read the description of the postgraduate course D853
-"Identity in Question" and I find a number of problems (not polemics)
with what they call the "theorization of identity in cultural
studies". the reason has to do with the fact that these days lots of
mediocre people are attracted to "Cultural Studies" because they know
that the area is highly interdisciplinary, unlike PHilosophy which is
not interdisciplinary and which following very specific
epistemological procedures of inquiry.
Indeed, most of the contents of the course can be dealt with by a
philosopher without any dificulties whatsoever, with a lot more
perspective, that of "human condition" and not one which is supposedly
"scientific", perhpas "para-scientif" or even "meta-scientific" but
most certinly "sociological" if such a thing actually exists or has
ever existed (if one is to beleive that Comte was survived in any way
shape of form excpet in the most incarnation of Giddens).
I appreciate that methodology is of paramount importance and am
concerned with this thing of "Cultural Studies".
But hey then you could also say - "why don't you do a MA in
Philosophy?" To which I would respond "Perhaps, I'm deeply interested
in the Archeology, Epistemology and Genealogy of God". Problem is I'm
also interested in the speculative though around the "gender of God"
and for some reason or another, whenever we introduce "social"
dimensions to any interpretative avenue of knowledge (inclduing
philosophy itself) one is allways directed to "Cultural Studies".
> >> ** Some are only teaching, but they teach part time, as a bonus to
> >> their civilian career, which is quite fair !
> > "If you can't make it full-time, make it part-time"
> In Denmark students assess the performance of the teachers, and if they
> don't do well, they are fired !! So in this case you are wrong.
That is NOT the case in the UK and in most of Europe nd indeed in the
US. I like that!
AK
> > Oh, the "You do that" was written by you, not me.
> yes, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
I see that the U. of Michigan at Ann Arbor and U. of Wisconsin at
Madison didn't teach you to write grammatically correct English.
> Oh yes, I agree. The great thinkers, artists, writers, etc, never
> attended university, or most certainly never did a full course of
> study like a degree. That is my problem. I'm an INTJ (1% of the
> population) with superb textual analysis and creativity.
If you are going to quote figures you should do so accurately
particularly as you claim that INTJ's have "superb textual analysis".
They are in fact 2.1% of the total population (3.3% M, 0.8%F), so can
we presume you are female?
Interesting you see fit to boast your Myers Briggs type. Being so
few of the population are INTJ you may wish to consider yourself
somewhat unique, others may just think of you are a freak! IMHO
people who fall back on MB types are no better than those that read
their horoscopes every day, and actually believe it.
AK
ENFP (2003), ESFP (2001), INFP (1997), Aquarius
consuming
parents and/or teachers? Or were you insulted, shouted at? Your
written discourse shows it all!
A male!
consuming
> "consuming" <cons...@hispavista.com> wrote in message
> news:46625664.04011...@posting.google.com...
> > > Oh, the "You do that" was written by you, not me.
> > yes, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
>
> I see that the U. of Michigan at Ann Arbor and U. of Wisconsin at
> Madison didn't teach you to write grammatically correct English.
British English speakers are a minority all over the world. English
speakers the world over tend to speak a more modern and less annoying
form of English - International English which has more to do with
American English. The langauge which Einstein wrote and spoke.
It's funny because the British translations of Greek and Roman
classics are a lot worse than the American translations.
You will find that you will be a lot happier with your grammar, your
docile manners of compliance, your hopes of "fitting in" the society
where you live rather than being absorded by ideas, mental tought and
eventually finding the "Ahhhh".
We all have what we deserve!
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>> don't do well, they are fired !! So in this case you are wrong.
>That is NOT the case in the UK and in most of Europe nd indeed in the
>US. I like that!
I've attended courses at UK unis where, at the end of the course, students *do*
give feedback on the course and on the tutor. It's part of course & tutor
development.
Cheers, helen s
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Peter Thomsen
> American English. The langauge which Einstein wrote and spoke.
Well, do you know where Einstein came from ?? Have you ever heard him speak
? For your information I can tell you that Einstein was not a linguist nor a
filologist !
> It's funny because the British translations of Greek and Roman
> classics are a lot worse than the American translations.
And your statement is based on what emperical knowledge ?
> You will find that you will be a lot happier with your grammar, your
> docile manners of compliance, your hopes of "fitting in" the society
> where you live rather than being absorded by ideas, mental tought and
> eventually finding the "Ahhhh".
>
> We all have what we deserve!
Yes, we do. Some have a BA and a MA in subjects that cannot be used for
anything. Especially not for filological, political or analytical
discussions...
Peter Thomsen
> yes, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
No, fortunately your arrogant and naughty statements don't
> Foucault. To name just one case. I've read Foucualt, most of his books
> over the course of 20 years. I simply find him to have been THE 20th
> century philosopher along Kant or Hegel. My readings from Foucualt
> lead me to VERY DIFERENT conclusions. some people have read my
> conclusions and they found them a lot more interesting that what's
> published out there by researchers, pseudo-philosophers and university
> professors.
1) If you find this subject intresting, and would like to improve your
knowledge on these subject - you should consider another subject for your BA
/ MA.
2) Maybee the ones who read your conclusions did not have the in depth
knowledge, to understand the professor's comment !?
> As you can image I needn't do a MA, MPhill or PhD to learn about
> anything. I can learn and indeed have been learning on my own.
I agree, you can, in fact we all can.
> around 50 titles a year and write on them. In actual fact I must have
> already produced the work which is equivalent to at least one PhD
So does my hair dresser.
>>>> ** Some are only teaching, but they teach part time, as a bonus to
>>>> their civilian career, which is quite fair !
>>> "If you can't make it full-time, make it part-time"
>> In Denmark students assess the performance of the teachers, and if
>> they don't do well, they are fired !! So in this case you are wrong.
> That is NOT the case in the UK and in most of Europe nd indeed in the
> US. I like that!
:-)
Prashant Meswani
disagree? Yes I know I can look at other threads...but it would be nice to
restore some form of peace in this newsgroup.
Thanks,
Prashant.
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>restore some form of peace in this newsgroup.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Prashant.
Discover the joys of the kill-file Prashant ;-)
Prashant Meswani
Prashant.
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