amount of work and question
consuming
When I did my BA I studied for 4 years. I did it in America at the U.
of Michigan at Ann Arbor, one of the top US Uni's. Each year was
divided into two semesters - Fall and Spring. Each semester I took
anywhere from 4 to 5 courses each worth anywhere from 2 to 4 credits.
The typical American US course (undergraduate) is a 3-hour credit,
which requires 3 weekly hours of live teaching and about 12 hours
weekly study. So if you had a full time load that meant being really
busy. Each course had 2 exams - mid term and the final exam, each
lasting anywhere from 1 to 2 hours. On top each course required the
production of 2 papers - one to be 2,000 and the last to be 4,000
words.
Resuming the workload per semester:
a) 5 courses each 3 credits = 15 credits
b) 15 weekly hours of live teaching (plus any lab work, about 4
hours/week)
c) 60 weekly hours of study
d) 5 x 2,000 word essays on a specific theme
e) 5 x 4,000 word research essays on a specific theme
Each course (and each semester) lasted for 16 weeks - 4 months there
abouts, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on holidays and Xmas
(Michaelemas in the UK?)
The first year is called - Freshman, the second Sophomore, the third
Junior and the fourth Senior
Senior year is a bit different. Most of the courses are high level
(which people doing Master's have to do to make up for deficiencies in
their academic curricula, such as not knowing enough about 19th
century art theory, for instance). Most of the Senior level courses
are research and interpretation intensive. A full time load requires
the reading of about 250 pages a week throughout the fourth year.
By the end of the Sophomore year if your grade point average (GAP) is
more than 3.50 (the exact amount varies from U. to U.) you are invited
to join the "Honors Club" (can be named anything anywhere else). If
you join you undertake more work. So instead of having to do one 2,000
word and one 4,000 word paper per course you might do two 5,000 word
papers or more or longer with more substantial research and
originality, showing intellectual ability, etc, etc.
If you graduate with a final GPA of 3.5 your degree is awarded with
honors, such as "BA with Honors". If you graduate with more than 3.50
but less than 3.75 your degree is given with special honors, such as
"BA Cum Laude". If more than 3.75 but less than 3.85 – "BA Summa Cum
Laude" and more than 3.85 "BA Magna Cum Laude". The same thing applies
in graduate (Master's, PhD's) school.
At graduate school (never less than 2 years full time) the courses are
all seminars, entirely different from undergraduate courses. That is
we didn't study say the history of art in the 29th century, but
instead debated on issues about 20th century art. That is to say, we
discussed in a Socratic manner (it is a big thing in America to this
day, the Socratic method of inquiry especially promoted by the U. of
Chicago and Dr. Bloom) different aspects of 20th century art. You
might call this the "philosophy of the history of 20th century art" if
you wish. It is the same thing but takes place in open form. You find
your own sources, you construct your own arguments and you meet
everyone (about 8 people at the very most) once a week in class, which
lasts some 4 to 6 hours.
Each graduate semester. Full time, consists of only 3 to 4 courses,
each also worth anywhere from 3 to 4 credits. Each course requires
intensive reading and the total weekly reading load is about 200 to
400 pages (all courses). There are no examinations but you have to
present one formal research paper around 6,000 words.
So the semester load in graduate school is:
24 weekly hours of seminars
4 research papers each worth about 6,000 words
Amount of weekly study – you have to give the absolute maximum! Even
the amount of time you don't have access to due to earth's rotation
(!)
The issue of a final thesis varies from area to area. I did Art
(Photography and Printmaking), so my thesis was mostly visual which in
itself proved to be very stressful and I ended up putting it on hold
during the final Spring semester and decided to work throughout he
Summer to have it ready by late September (a wise decision –I got the
maximum grade possible – 4.00)
My question to you: Is the workload more or less than at the OU?
Angela
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Ewar Woowar
Laude if I sent them $50. How are these degrees rated over their? I was
impressed with this approach because it involved absolutely no work at all.
"consuming" <cons...@hispavista.com> wrote in message
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> "BA Cum Laude". If more than 3.75 but less than 3.85 - "BA Summa Cum
> Laude" and more than 3.85 "BA Magna Cum Laude". The same thing applies
> in graduate (Master's, PhD's) school.
>
> At graduate school (never less than 2 years full time) the courses are
> all seminars, entirely different from undergraduate courses. That is
> we didn't study say the history of art in the 29th century, but
> instead debated on issues about 20th century art. That is to say, we
> discussed in a Socratic manner (it is a big thing in America to this
> day, the Socratic method of inquiry especially promoted by the U. of
> Chicago and Dr. Bloom) different aspects of 20th century art. You
> might call this the "philosophy of the history of 20th century art" if
> you wish. It is the same thing but takes place in open form. You find
> your own sources, you construct your own arguments and you meet
> everyone (about 8 people at the very most) once a week in class, which
> lasts some 4 to 6 hours.
>
> Each graduate semester. Full time, consists of only 3 to 4 courses,
> each also worth anywhere from 3 to 4 credits. Each course requires
> intensive reading and the total weekly reading load is about 200 to
> 400 pages (all courses). There are no examinations but you have to
> present one formal research paper around 6,000 words.
>
> So the semester load in graduate school is:
>
> 24 weekly hours of seminars
> 4 research papers each worth about 6,000 words
> Amount of weekly study - you have to give the absolute maximum! Even
> the amount of time you don't have access to due to earth's rotation
> (!)
> The issue of a final thesis varies from area to area. I did Art
> (Photography and Printmaking), so my thesis was mostly visual which in
> itself proved to be very stressful and I ended up putting it on hold
> during the final Spring semester and decided to work throughout he
> Summer to have it ready by late September (a wise decision -I got the
> maximum grade possible - 4.00)
consuming
The top US universities are not only the top universities in the US
but they are alos the top WORLD univeristies. (the mispelling is fine
with me I ain't even correcting any of it)
Before I went to Michigan I toured two London unviersities where I
could also have done a BA in Photogprahy - RCA and London College of
Printing, back in 1984. What a lovely piece of shit - the facilities
were small, dirty, old and the "tutors", "lecturers" were really
unfriendly and spoke as if they had a bone running from their assholes
all the way to their mouths not to mention the justified sense of
inferiority they had (which latter in the States i found out why). As
it turns out the UK is so miserable that it even did not buy a
marvelous collection of pioneering photography - the largest and best
collection which Gernsheim (the owner) sold to the U. of Texas at
Austin.
The facilities I had at Ann Arbor and Madison vias-a-vis the shit I
saw at London was like comparing the Four Seasons with a shitty and
typically English "Bread and Break very fast".
Youmay have one or two really important U's at an international level
- Oxford and Cambridge but pal you sure ain't got 20 of that caliber
and with plenty of money too! Research students have their own offices
- large, modern, clean, very well equiped not to mention very
expensive labs and helpful staff, not the shit English type of cunt or
asshole which is very well known the world over.
On top, try getting in any program at the U. of Wisconsion - MAdison,
the U. of Michigan - Ann Arbor, U. of California LA, Penn State or any
of the Ivy LEague schools - Harvard, Yale, etc.
Stupid asshole!
As a matter of fact if you have a degree from a top US Univeristy with
top grades (such as myself) you choose where you work pal. After the
MA I had a choice to work in your shitty country and in London in
specific (which I did for 3 months and left ASAP), Paris, Wien,
Barcelona, MAdrid, Toronto, Zurich, Istanbul. Back in 1990 I as making
in excess of USD100,000/year and it hasn't stopped since!
Put your nationalistic pride up your ass.
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> As a matter of fact if you have a degree from a top US Univeristy
with
> top grades (such as myself) you choose where you work pal.
a nice no brainer subject!
Back in 1990 I as making
> in excess of USD100,000/year and it hasn't stopped since!
> Put your nationalistic pride up your ass.
I earn in excess of $100,000 per year and I don't have a degree. I
wouldn't appoint you to do my wedding photographs with your attitude.
As you seem to hate the UK so much why the hell are you hanging
around a UK newsgroup saddo???
Got no mates to play with so you have to come and play with the big
boys on here???
Go get a life
Ian Robinson
wrote
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> Spot the troll - away back under your bridge!
Time to kill file to twerp.
Ian
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consuming
inferiorirty. Has got to be the shit beer, the harsh tea, the fried
crap that you eat all day long, the miniscule houses, the rotten
underground, the lack of urban investment and the fact that you live
in a remote island.
Of that I want absolutely notihnf. My habits are a lot more
universal...
brits ...
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Suzi
cons...@hispavista.com wibbled...
> Oh my, I did underestimate your perfectly justifiable sense of
> inferiorirty. Has got to be the shit beer, the harsh tea, the fried
> crap that you eat all day long, the miniscule houses, the rotten
> underground, the lack of urban investment and the fact that you live
> in a remote island.
>
> Of that I want absolutely notihnf. My habits are a lot more
> universal...
>
> brits ...
You are now totally off topic and being insulting to boot (with
obviously no idea of how life is *actually* lived on these islands).
Please desist and go and find some of your compatriots to play with.
Suzi
Grumpy Willis
> The facilities I had at Ann Arbor and Madison vias-a-vis the shit I
> saw at London was like comparing the Four Seasons with a shitty and
> typically English "Bread and Break very fast".
I don't understand this statement, you seem to be comparing an excellent
piece of classical music with something I have never heard of. Do they have
these "Bread and Break very Fast" places in the States? Maybe it exists in
Disneylands interpretation of England. (cockneys and Beefeater uniforms)
Anyway, if you really *have* studied photography then you would know that
it's not the equipment or facilities which are important, a good
photographer will produce excellent photos with anything.
Grumpy Willis
> inferiorirty. Has got to be the shit beer,
*falls about laughing*
You really are in no position to criticise our beer.
> the harsh tea,
*falls about laughing*
> the fried crap that you eat all day long,
Your confusing the UK with the USA here.
> the miniscule houses,
Our arses and heads are so much smaller in the UK though!
> the lack of urban investment
Where on earth did you pull this from?
> and the fact that you live
> in a remote island.
>
Remote compared to where? Mars?
> Of that I want absolutely notihnf. My habits are a lot more
> universal...
>
I bet they are!
> brits ...
Yes. You got it in one! We're arrogant, self opinionated, over here and
better than you.
Orange Eye
President?
Yes we know everything is bigger in McUSA, but I'd rather be here
moaning about the weather than live in the land of the ill-informed.
I think you'll give up on joining the OU, after you've driven around for
a few days looking for it, :o)
Have a nice day.
King Queen
<oran...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>If American Universities are so great, how come you have GW Bush as
>President?
Indeed.
And he's a Harvard graduate, don't forget.
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Grumpy Willis
"King Queen" <kq.larts...@kingqueen.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:38:43 +0000 (UTC), Orange Eye
> <oran...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> >If American Universities are so great, how come you have GW Bush as
> >President?
>
> Indeed.
>
> And he's a Harvard graduate, don't forget.
>
That just means he's rich no?
King Queen
>>
>> >If American Universities are so great, how come you have GW Bush as
>> >President?
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> And he's a Harvard graduate, don't forget.
>>
>
>That just means he's rich no?
With the American education system, you're probably right!
james t kirk
must be a great photographer.
To answer your question -
There are 360 points in an OU honours degree. These points are earned
by passing modular courses. Usually thirty points per course.
Each module I've done so far has been nine months long. They take
about twelve hours per week.
Allowing four weeks per month then there are 36 weeks per module. 36
weeks * 12 hours = 432 hours.
The degree is made up of twleve thirty point modules, so I guess in
total the degree takes about 5000 hours, give or take a couple of
hundred.
You should really check the OU web site for more details -
Kind regards,
Jim
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<snip>
> Please desist and go and find some of your compatriots to play with.
Looks like he (she?) (it?) 'jes doan need no frenz' Suzi ;)
Anyway, why deny him (her?) (it?) some solitary pleasure?
ed