Special Needs Art Course
Elaine Morgan
I need to put together an Art course for a child (Y10) who is included in
mainstream secondary school but being taught her own syllabus, due to her
specific and significant special needs. I've looked at the Basic Skills
Agency website but can't find anything useful there - I'd really be looking
to provide the child with a qualification of some sort. Has anyone any
experience in this? I'd be very grateful for help and advice,
Thanks,
Elaine
Melanie
voluntary aided. The Year 6 class has 51 pupils but apparently 10 of the pupils are taken
into another class for lessons. However, the remaining 41 pupils are taught in one
classroom by one teacher. Surely 41 pupils is an excessive number? Are there regulations
setting maximum class size? If not, should I be concerned and what can I do?
Thanks for your help.
Melanie
A Worried Parent
*Ace*
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> I'm a parent whose child has just started Year 6 at primary school. The school is
> voluntary aided. The Year 6 class has 51 pupils but apparently 10 of the pupils are taken
> into another class for lessons. However, the remaining 41 pupils are taught in one
> classroom by one teacher. Surely 41 pupils is an excessive number? Are there regulations
> setting maximum class size? If not, should I be concerned and what can I do?
When at school I was taught in a class of 45.
In many countries classes of 60, 70, 80, 90 even 100 are not uncommon.
However, this does not imply that such a class size is ideal. Having
said that, a competent teacher should be able to manage a class of 41.
If you are still concerned you should address your concerns in the
first instance to the headteacher, if you are not satisfied with the
response, the school's governors, and then the LEA (a letter to the
bishop wouldn't do any harm either). Finally, if still dissatisfied
take your child out of the school and into another school.
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Melanie
> A Worried Parent
>
Best wishes, Ace
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> Having said that, a competent teacher should be able to manage a class of
41.
You are Estelle Morris and I claim my two guineas per year bonus for seeing
through the bollocks.
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*Ace*
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> Ace officially stated:
>
> > Having said that, a competent teacher should be able to manage a class of
> 41.
>
> You are Estelle Morris and I claim my two guineas per year bonus for seeing
> through the bollocks.
Haven't you ever taken 40+ children for at least a couple of days?
Ian
> Hi Scatterbunny,
>
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:45:45 +0100, in uk.education.teachers Scatterbunny
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>
>> Ace officially stated:
>>
>> > Having said that, a competent teacher should be able to manage a
>> > class of
>> 41.
>>
>> You are Estelle Morris and I claim my two guineas per year bonus for
>> seeing through the bollocks.
>
>
> Haven't you ever taken 40+ children for at least a couple of days?
Thought New Labour pledged no classes bigger than 30 in primary? Or was
that just more rhetoric?
Regards,
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Paul Griffiths
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> Thought New Labour pledged no classes bigger than 30 in primary? Or was
> that just more rhetoric?
Infant phase only I believe.
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gertie@grumbles
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> Having said that, a competent teacher should be able to manage a
> class of 41.
Managing the class is one thing ....
Doing all the marking is another. The in-depth marking needed for a
year six class means that a single extended writing task from a class
of 30 takes around three - four hours to mark. Work out the amount of
marking in a week, bearing in mind that simply ticking good work is
not acceptable any more, and that comments about 1) what is done well
and 2) what needs to be improved are what is expected these days, and
then decide how much attention your child's work will be given.
Imagine the teacher compiling individual spelling lists from written
work, or setting individual maths tasks, and look at the blanket and
often inappropriate tasks that will be set.
Also think about sharing books in threes or fours, because they are
only bought in sets of 15, and think abiut how many minutes of time
in a week a teach can give to each of 41 children individually.
Discount how much help a teaching assistant will give the teacher in
these matters, then...
.... take your child out of that school.
disgraceful!
51 kids could be two classes of 25 and 26 - by no means unusually
small classes!
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PaulK
>
> Thought New Labour pledged no classes bigger than 30 in primary? Or was
> that just more rhetoric?
thought that was just ks1
pk
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> .... take your child out of that school.
If this school & teacher can cope with 41 in a class, imagine what they'd be
like with just 21.
So leave your child there and get 20 other parents to take their kids away.
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I agree with you. But the parent should be reassured that the child
will be safe if she chooses to leave the child in that school,
provided the class teacher is reasonably competent.
Only today I brought to my head's attention that I have 31 pupils in
my Year 2 class. But I certainly wouldn't advise any parent to remove
their child from my class (with the possible exception of Damien's
parents).
Melanie
Tomorrow I'm going to speak to the head teacher, although I've no idea what I'm going to
say to him. What I want is two completely separate classes each with a full-time teacher
(dream-on), but no doubt he'll laugh out loud at that idea. But what's the solution if
there is no other teacher available? Does anyone have any ideas or solutions?
The Head isn't very partial to parent criticism, so I need ammunition and good arguments
for my meeting tomorrow.
Thanks again,
Melanie
Ian
Ah that's easy then just shove all the infants up a year. Accelerated
learning ;-)
Regards,
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IanL
*Ace*
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Simply express your concerns that your child will not receive the
attention s/he deserves in a class of 41. Also listen to what the
head says. A Year 6 class teacher with two good full-time classroom
assistants can make a formidable teaching team, even to a class of 41.
> Thanks again,
>
> Melanie
Paul Griffiths
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Sounds very good that, hope nobody heard you.
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gertie@grumbles
*Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:
> But the parent should be reassured that the child
> will be safe if she chooses to leave the child in that school,
> provided the class teacher is reasonably competent.
safe????
I wasn't even thinking about safe ..... I was thinking about being
educated!
*Ace*
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> In article <bsfcnu4djd143vvn2...@4ax.com>,
> *Ace* <agincourt1.spam@don't.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > But the parent should be reassured that the child
> > will be safe if she chooses to leave the child in that school,
> > provided the class teacher is reasonably competent.
>
> safe????
>
> I wasn't even thinking about safe ..... I was thinking about being
> educated!
As I said, I was taught in a primary class of 45. God knows what the
teacher went through though.
Angua
<chim...@warmmail.com> writes
Know the feeling. i once had a class of 5 - with 2 SLA's. That was
excessive as 3 of the 5 needed 1 to 1 (and one of them really needed
2:1).
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Robert
You don't say which part of the UK you are in. In the Scottish part, the maximum is 33 and 20 for
practical classes.
Dave
<melanie....@tesco.net> wrote:
>The Head isn't very partial to parent criticism, so I need ammunition and good arguments
>for my meeting tomorrow.
Threaten to sue the school for your childs future loss of earnings
caused by failing to get adequate attention in lessons because of the
large class size. Say you will accept an out of court settlement for
£250k.
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Andy Garner
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roddytoo
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kids were more 'biddable' in those days.
Moan to the LEA and local media.