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ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 3:56:02 PM4/22/12
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
dogs.
Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
I have been bitten twice.
--
Adam
OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
dogs.
Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
I have been bitten twice.
--
Adam
Phil L
Apr 22, 2012, 4:09:24 PM4/22/12
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extension ladders, I kicked it in the head and the owner said, ' you can
pack that in'....I still don't know whether he was talking to me or the dog.
Only that once in 25 years of working at people's houses - most normal folk
who have uncontrollable mutts keep them locked up when you are there - it
takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take place.
John
Apr 22, 2012, 4:26:30 PM4/22/12
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in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles when outside the home,
regardles of size or breed? Job done.
dennis@home
Apr 22, 2012, 4:55:06 PM4/22/12
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"Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UzZkr.163760$H11....@fx23.am4...
> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
> place.
my mom had a recue poodle..
it was well behaved with everyone..
well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time he
went there.
It never did that with anyone else.
Owain
Apr 22, 2012, 5:04:01 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 22, 8:56 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
> dogs.
> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
> I have been bitten twice.
Dogs I don't mind.
> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
> dogs.
> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
> I have been bitten twice.
It's being bitten by customers I seriously object to.
Owain
ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 5:11:56 PM4/22/12
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dennis@home wrote:
> "Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UzZkr.163760$H11....@fx23.am4...
>
> > it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to
> > take place.
>
> That's not always true..
> my mom had a recue poodle..
Was it a standard poodle?
> "Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UzZkr.163760$H11....@fx23.am4...
>
> > it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to
> > take place.
>
> That's not always true..
> my mom had a recue poodle..
It is well know that the minature and toy poodles are also called fanny
lickers.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanny%20licker
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Adam
Alan
Apr 22, 2012, 5:12:10 PM4/22/12
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In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
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Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 5:25:20 PM4/22/12
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--
Adam
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 5:26:25 PM4/22/12
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ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
> dogs.
> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
Nope, not ever.
> I have been bitten twice.
Dogs have one hell of a capacity to only bite those who fear being bitten by
dogs.
They operate on 'front' much more than any other domesticated species.
'front' isnt quite the right word but cant think of anything better.
Its all about aura with dogs.
Those that get bitten don’t even realise how dogs operate.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
> dogs.
> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
> I have been bitten twice.
dogs.
They operate on 'front' much more than any other domesticated species.
'front' isnt quite the right word but cant think of anything better.
Its all about aura with dogs.
Those that get bitten don’t even realise how dogs operate.
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 5:31:04 PM4/22/12
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We've had compulsory microchipping for years now and its made
no difference what so ever to those who get bitten as part of their
job, essentially because the worst of the dog owners don’t bother
regardless of what the law requires.
And we have had a number of small children killed
by dogs too and a rather smaller number of adults.
no difference what so ever to those who get bitten as part of their
job, essentially because the worst of the dog owners don’t bother
regardless of what the law requires.
And we have had a number of small children killed
by dogs too and a rather smaller number of adults.
ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 5:36:50 PM4/22/12
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work?
I can handle a dog.
--
Adam
Owain
Apr 22, 2012, 5:41:59 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 22, 10:25 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
> > It's being bitten by customers I seriously object to.
> And if the customer is a bit of a dog?
Time to check the inoculations are up to date.
> > It's being bitten by customers I seriously object to.
> And if the customer is a bit of a dog?
Owain
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 5:53:33 PM4/22/12
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dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>> place.
> That's not always true..
> my mom had a recue poodle..
> it was well behaved with everyone..
> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time he
> went there.
> It never did that with anyone else.
Yeah, some dogs can be weird like that.
Mine took a particular dislike to just one individual.
Mine was an inside dog, fucking huge great alsatian.
He used to spend most of his time just inside the big
armoured glass patio door that's the front door, facing
onto the park next to the house that's the walk way thru
for the high school that at the end of that park.
All that individual had to do was to be visible around
the corner of the park 100 feet away for the dog to go
bananas. Never did that with anyone else, with hordes
of the school kids going past every day.
> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>> place.
> That's not always true..
> my mom had a recue poodle..
> it was well behaved with everyone..
> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time he
> went there.
> It never did that with anyone else.
Mine took a particular dislike to just one individual.
Mine was an inside dog, fucking huge great alsatian.
He used to spend most of his time just inside the big
armoured glass patio door that's the front door, facing
onto the park next to the house that's the walk way thru
for the high school that at the end of that park.
All that individual had to do was to be visible around
the corner of the park 100 feet away for the dog to go
bananas. Never did that with anyone else, with hordes
of the school kids going past every day.
ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 5:58:04 PM4/22/12
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--
Adam
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 6:05:55 PM4/22/12
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ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
Dog don’t bite for the fun of it.
> I can handle a dog.
If you really did understand dogs, you wouldn’t have ever got bitten.
> I can handle a dog.
ARWadsworth
Apr 22, 2012, 6:24:08 PM4/22/12
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it is possible for a dog to travel down the stairs "faster" than suggested
by Newtons laws of gravity.
--
Adam
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 6:55:33 PM4/22/12
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ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there
>>>>> are dogs.
>>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>> Nope, not ever.
>>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>> Dogs have one hell of a capacity to only bite those who fear being
>>>> bitten by dogs.
>>>> They operate on 'front' much more than any other domesticated species.
>>>> 'front' isnt quite the right word but cant think of anything better.
>>>> Its all about aura with dogs.
>>>> Those that get bitten don’t even realise how dogs operate.
>>> So I wasted all my time by not getting bitten when I do my animal
>>> charity work?
>> Dog don’t bite for the fun of it.
>>> I can handle a dog.
>> If you really did understand dogs, you wouldn’t have ever got bitten.
> Let's just say the first one that bit me had a owner that was a wanker.
If you did understand dogs, you wouldn’t have got bitten by that one.
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there
>>>>> are dogs.
>>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>> Nope, not ever.
>>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>> Dogs have one hell of a capacity to only bite those who fear being
>>>> bitten by dogs.
>>>> They operate on 'front' much more than any other domesticated species.
>>>> 'front' isnt quite the right word but cant think of anything better.
>>>> Its all about aura with dogs.
>>>> Those that get bitten don’t even realise how dogs operate.
>>> So I wasted all my time by not getting bitten when I do my animal
>>> charity work?
>> Dog don’t bite for the fun of it.
>>> I can handle a dog.
>> If you really did understand dogs, you wouldn’t have ever got bitten.
> Let's just say the first one that bit me had a owner that was a wanker.
> And it is possible for a dog to travel down the stairs "faster" than
> suggested by Newtons laws of gravity.
Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t care
about that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Millan
F Murtz
Apr 22, 2012, 9:43:18 PM4/22/12
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for the various fines the powers that be can think up
Rod Speed
Apr 22, 2012, 10:10:14 PM4/22/12
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F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote
> John wrote
The main advantage is to be able to find the owners when
they are strays so they can be returned to the owners.
Whether its actually worth the immense cost of
microchipping all dogs tho is another matter entirely.
> John wrote
they are strays so they can be returned to the owners.
Whether its actually worth the immense cost of
microchipping all dogs tho is another matter entirely.
www.GymRatZ.co.uk
Apr 23, 2012, 5:26:40 AM4/23/12
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On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>
> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
> care about that.
Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>
> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
> care about that.
member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
Most educational video that puts the message across in a few minutes is
Cesar "dog whispering" Cartman of southpark fame.
http://tinyurl.com/797grvp
http://www.cesarsway.com/newsandevents/cesarsblog/cesar-millan-vs-cartman
:¬)
--
http://www.gymratz.co.uk/rapid-fatloss-book
Not for weight watchers or food junkies.
Rod Speed
Apr 23, 2012, 5:56:13 AM4/23/12
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www.GymRatZ.co.uk <nob...@nowhere.cot> wrote
> Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour.
Its rather more complicated than that, particularly with dogs
biting visitors as was originally being discussed, particularly
when the owner isnt around when the vistor shows up.
> Most dog owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work"
They are indeed.
> even the rescue homes and animal shelters
> etc go about things the wrong way.
Yeah, few of them have a clue.
> Most educational video that puts the message across in a few
> minutes is Cesar "dog whispering" Cartman of southpark fame.
> http://tinyurl.com/797grvp
> http://www.cesarsway.com/newsandevents/cesarsblog/cesar-millan-vs-cartman
> :¬)
|-)
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
> Cesar is brilliant.
Yeah, never seen anything like it, particularly with the nuttiest dogs.
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
> Cesar is brilliant.
> Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour.
biting visitors as was originally being discussed, particularly
when the owner isnt around when the vistor shows up.
> Most dog owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work"
> even the rescue homes and animal shelters
> etc go about things the wrong way.
> Most educational video that puts the message across in a few
> minutes is Cesar "dog whispering" Cartman of southpark fame.
> http://tinyurl.com/797grvp
> http://www.cesarsway.com/newsandevents/cesarsblog/cesar-millan-vs-cartman
> :¬)
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 23, 2012, 5:57:02 AM4/23/12
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www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
>
> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
>
Cant agree more.
> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
>
> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
>
Man<->dog relationhips are subtle things and you need to work on them,
but having done so both parties know where they stand,.
> Most educational video that puts the message across in a few minutes is
> Cesar "dog whispering" Cartman of southpark fame.
> http://tinyurl.com/797grvp
> http://www.cesarsway.com/newsandevents/cesarsblog/cesar-millan-vs-cartman
>
> :¬)
>
> --
> http://www.gymratz.co.uk/rapid-fatloss-book
> Not for weight watchers or food junkies.
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.
Mark
Apr 23, 2012, 7:02:30 AM4/23/12
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:12:10 +0100, Alan <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:
>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
I worked as a postie for a very short time. Some dogs used to try and
bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?
wrote:
>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?
Hugo Nebula
Apr 23, 2012, 7:27:30 AM4/23/12
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[Default] On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>, randomly hit the
or somewhere I'm not.
From times when I delivered papers or leaflets, I quickly learned to
NEVER put my hands through the letterbox.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have I strayed"?
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>, randomly hit the
keyboard and wrote:
>OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>dogs.
I always get the owner to put the dog into another room, or outside,
>OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>dogs.
or somewhere I'm not.
From times when I delivered papers or leaflets, I quickly learned to
NEVER put my hands through the letterbox.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have I strayed"?
Nick Odell
Apr 23, 2012, 7:44:55 AM4/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:27:30 +0100, Hugo Nebula <ab...@local.host>
wrote:
>[Default] On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
>"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>, randomly hit the
>keyboard and wrote:
>
>>OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>>dogs.
>
>I always get the owner to put the dog into another room, or outside,
>or somewhere I'm not.
>
>From times when I delivered papers or leaflets, I quickly learned to
>NEVER put my hands through the letterbox.
During earlier times, delivering leaflets, I developed the "Odell
Baton." Roll leaflet into a tube, such that it will spring open on the
doormat, right-side up for the occupier to see; push the "baton"
through the letterbox, forcing past the brush draught excluder or
inner sprung flap; finish the job off with a pencil - not a finger!
Nick
wrote:
>[Default] On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
>"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>, randomly hit the
>keyboard and wrote:
>
>>OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>>dogs.
>
>I always get the owner to put the dog into another room, or outside,
>or somewhere I'm not.
>
>From times when I delivered papers or leaflets, I quickly learned to
>NEVER put my hands through the letterbox.
Baton." Roll leaflet into a tube, such that it will spring open on the
doormat, right-side up for the occupier to see; push the "baton"
through the letterbox, forcing past the brush draught excluder or
inner sprung flap; finish the job off with a pencil - not a finger!
Nick
Jethro_uk
Apr 23, 2012, 8:43:30 AM4/23/12
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> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
> care about that.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Millan
Jules Richardson
Apr 23, 2012, 10:29:31 AM4/23/12
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damdu...@yahoo.co.uk
Apr 23, 2012, 11:14:13 AM4/23/12
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
The vast majority of premises I worked at were pubs and most had a
Dog. Some were ok with people and as would be expected in a pub used
to strangers,others you made sure they were shut away. In between
there was quite range,some were ok after introduction which may have
been on each visit or with some just once and you were ok for the
future. Others were fine in parts of the building and protective of
other parts which is often why they were there.
Of the two that nipped me one was a bad tempered small mongrel thing
that should been drowned for looking ugly ,the other was an Ex Police
Alsatian that had retired with his owner. He actually looked quite
menacing but knew me and was usually fine. One morning on a visit he
came up and got given the regular pat on the head at which point he
nipped me on the arm just the owner shouted " Don't touch the Dog !".
Turned out that hours before the pub had suffered a break in and
knowing the Dog was there the perpetuators coshed him ,it was to the
Dogs credit that he moderated his bite after an instictive response to
my patting the sore spot.
Most trouble with dogs was cheeky ones knicking tools or daft ones
attempting to eat small washers and other bits.
OTOH many of the same dogs made a colleague feel very uncomfortable
,they just didn't seem to like him for no apparent reason.
G.Harman
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
>OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>dogs.
>
>dogs.
>
>Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>
>I have been bitten twice.
About twice ,neither much more than a nip in over thirty years.
>
>I have been bitten twice.
The vast majority of premises I worked at were pubs and most had a
Dog. Some were ok with people and as would be expected in a pub used
to strangers,others you made sure they were shut away. In between
there was quite range,some were ok after introduction which may have
been on each visit or with some just once and you were ok for the
future. Others were fine in parts of the building and protective of
other parts which is often why they were there.
Of the two that nipped me one was a bad tempered small mongrel thing
that should been drowned for looking ugly ,the other was an Ex Police
Alsatian that had retired with his owner. He actually looked quite
menacing but knew me and was usually fine. One morning on a visit he
came up and got given the regular pat on the head at which point he
nipped me on the arm just the owner shouted " Don't touch the Dog !".
Turned out that hours before the pub had suffered a break in and
knowing the Dog was there the perpetuators coshed him ,it was to the
Dogs credit that he moderated his bite after an instictive response to
my patting the sore spot.
Most trouble with dogs was cheeky ones knicking tools or daft ones
attempting to eat small washers and other bits.
OTOH many of the same dogs made a colleague feel very uncomfortable
,they just didn't seem to like him for no apparent reason.
G.Harman
funkyoldcortina
Apr 23, 2012, 12:43:02 PM4/23/12
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On 23/04/12 10:26, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
>
> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
Cesar Milan is totally out of touch and out of date.
> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>
>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>> care about that.
>
> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
The reason dogs obey him is because he basically frightens them into
submission. Most dog trainers have seen the light and know that
submission-based training is outdated and wrong. The side effect of this type
of training is that you hide the symptoms and make the dog use "flight" to
get out of the bad situation. But this does not mean the dog will not use
"fight" later.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201204/did-cesar-millan-have-hang-the-husky
Modern positive-reinforcement-based methods which are grounded in science are
the way and have long-term success. Many trainers are seeing the light and
moving to this kind of training, including some of the celebrity trainers
such as Victoria Stilwell (from it's me or the dog).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Stilwell
funkyoldcortina
Apr 23, 2012, 12:44:07 PM4/23/12
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On 23/04/12 10:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
>> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>>
>>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>>> care about that.
>>
>> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
>> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
>> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
>> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
>>
>
> Cant agree more.
>
> Man<->dog relationhips are subtle things and you need to work on them, but
> having done so both parties know where they stand,.
Correct. But Cesar Milan has set back this kind of understanding of canines
> www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
>> On 22/04/2012 23:55, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>>
>>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>>> care about that.
>>
>> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
>> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
>> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
>> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
>>
>
> Cant agree more.
>
> Man<->dog relationhips are subtle things and you need to work on them, but
> having done so both parties know where they stand,.
more than 20 years :(
Tim Watts
Apr 23, 2012, 1:57:21 PM4/23/12
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Ah - yes, Labour education policy.
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ARWadsworth
Apr 23, 2012, 2:06:17 PM4/23/12
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Rod Speed
Apr 23, 2012, 2:54:17 PM4/23/12
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Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote
Likely from childhood accidents. That’s where my scars come from.
I do have one dog bite scar on my leg, but that’s from a
dog that was under a big trailer at a travelling circus. I
didn’t even notice that the dog was under there until it bit
me when I walked past too close when I was about 7 or so.
I do have one dog bite scar on my leg, but that’s from a
dog that was under a big trailer at a travelling circus. I
didn’t even notice that the dog was under there until it bit
me when I walked past too close when I was about 7 or so.
Lobster
Apr 23, 2012, 2:59:39 PM4/23/12
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On 22/04/2012 22:53, Rod Speed wrote:
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>>> place.
>
>> That's not always true..
>> my mom had a recue poodle..
>> it was well behaved with everyone..
>> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
>> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time
>> he went there.
>> It never did that with anyone else.
>
> Yeah, some dogs can be weird like that.
We've recently acquired a puppy, now 3 months old and we're doing all we
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>>> place.
>
>> That's not always true..
>> my mom had a recue poodle..
>> it was well behaved with everyone..
>> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
>> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time
>> he went there.
>> It never did that with anyone else.
>
> Yeah, some dogs can be weird like that.
can to 'socialise' her within her first 6 months - apparently that's
when the form all their notions about stuff and is the owner's
opportunity to ensure they end up with a well-balanced mutt and not a
canine psycho. Eg - look at: http://tinyurl.com/cfxyarp (or
http://www.myhillskitten.com/~/media/719B9AA800464DCA9B095ABF21BFEF79.ashx?nocache=633631325234667765)
Funny thing really - ours has been totally laid back about everything
and everyine she's experienced so far - tail never stops wagging - until
today when she came across someone in the park with a push-chair.
Nearly went into orbit! What's all that about...?
David
Rod Speed
Apr 23, 2012, 4:34:08 PM4/23/12
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funkyoldcortina <fu...@example.com> wrote
> www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote
> The reason dogs obey him is because he basically frightens them into
> submission.
Mindlessly silly. That’s not how dogs operate.
> Most dog trainers have seen the light and know that submission-based
> training is outdated and wrong.
Even sillier.
> The side effect of this type of training is that you hide the symptoms and
> make the dog use "flight" to get out of the bad situation.
Even sillier.
> But this does not mean the dog will not use "fight" later.
His don’t.
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201204/did-cesar-millan-have-hang-the-husky
Just because some fool claims something doesn’t make it gospel.
> Modern positive-reinforcement-based methods which are grounded in science
> are the way and have long-term success.
Easy to claim. Havent seen you getting the results Cesar has with problem
dogs.
> Many trainers are seeing the light and moving to this kind of training,
> including some of the celebrity trainers such as Victoria Stilwell (from
> it's me or the dog).
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Stilwell
She has never got anything like the results that Cesar has.
> www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>>> care about that.
>> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
>> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
>> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
>> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
> Cesar Milan is totally out of touch and out of date.
He knows a hell of a lot more about dogs than you do.
>>> Sure, but if you did understand dogs, you'd have allowed for that too.
>>> Cesar Millan doesn’t get bitten except in a situation where he doesn’t
>>> care about that.
>> Cesar is brilliant. Humans allowing dogs to become an equal or dominant
>> member of "the pack" is what causes dogs "bad" behaviour. Most dog
>> owners are completely clueless as to how dogs "work" even the rescue
>> homes and animal shelters etc go about things the wrong way.
> Cesar Milan is totally out of touch and out of date.
> The reason dogs obey him is because he basically frightens them into
> submission.
> Most dog trainers have seen the light and know that submission-based
> training is outdated and wrong.
> The side effect of this type of training is that you hide the symptoms and
> make the dog use "flight" to get out of the bad situation.
> But this does not mean the dog will not use "fight" later.
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201204/did-cesar-millan-have-hang-the-husky
Just because some fool claims something doesn’t make it gospel.
> Modern positive-reinforcement-based methods which are grounded in science
> are the way and have long-term success.
dogs.
> Many trainers are seeing the light and moving to this kind of training,
> including some of the celebrity trainers such as Victoria Stilwell (from
> it's me or the dog).
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Stilwell
Mike Tomlinson
Apr 23, 2012, 4:41:49 PM4/23/12
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En el artículo <jn1t06$9g0$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth <adamwadsworth@
blueyonder.co.uk> escribió:
>And if the customer is a bit of a dog?
Tetanus injection and HIV test.
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blueyonder.co.uk> escribió:
>And if the customer is a bit of a dog?
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Mike Tomlinson
Apr 23, 2012, 4:44:48 PM4/23/12
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En el artículo <S7clr.20474$Gd1....@fx02.am4>, Jethro_uk
<jeth...@hotmailbin.com> escribió:
>I've always wondered where the scars on his arm come from ....
I've always wondered why he has more teeth than the entire Osmond family
combined.
<jeth...@hotmailbin.com> escribió:
>I've always wondered where the scars on his arm come from ....
combined.
Rod Speed
Apr 23, 2012, 4:53:45 PM4/23/12
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Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote
The jesuits used to claim that about kids, that what you do
in the first 7 years determines how they will behave as adults,
but the military has known for millennia now that its actually
much more complicated than that and that you can still have
one hell of an effect when they are late teenagers too.
> Eg - look at: http://tinyurl.com/cfxyarp (or
> http://www.myhillskitten.com/~/media/719B9AA800464DCA9B095ABF21BFEF79.ashx?nocache=633631325234667765)
I never bothered with anything like that and the best dog
turned out fine, left all the rest I have ever had for dead.
> Funny thing really - ours has been totally laid back about everything and
> everyine she's experienced so far - tail never stops wagging - until today
> when she came across someone in the park with a push-chair. Nearly went
> into orbit! What's all that about...?
It would be interesting to test whether it was the push chair or the
individual with it.
Most who have much to do with dogs know that some dogs
do take a particular dislike to particular individuals and it isnt
just because that individual has ever taken to them with a piece
of pipe etc either.
I know in my case that my dog never had anything to do with that individual.
> Rod Speed wrote
>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>>>> place.
>>> That's not always true..
>>> my mom had a recue poodle..
>>> it was well behaved with everyone..
>>> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
>>> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time
>>> he went there.
>>> It never did that with anyone else.
>> Yeah, some dogs can be weird like that.
> We've recently acquired a puppy, now 3 months old and we're doing all we
> can to 'socialise' her within her first 6 months - apparently that's when
> the form all their notions about stuff and is the owner's opportunity to
> ensure they end up with a well-balanced mutt and not a canine psycho.
Its rather more complicated than that.
>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>> Phil L <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> it takes a combination of idiot dog *and* owner for an attack to take
>>>> place.
>>> That's not always true..
>>> my mom had a recue poodle..
>>> it was well behaved with everyone..
>>> well everyone until my brother visited for the first time..
>>> as soon as the dog saw him it went barking mad and does so every time
>>> he went there.
>>> It never did that with anyone else.
>> Yeah, some dogs can be weird like that.
> We've recently acquired a puppy, now 3 months old and we're doing all we
> can to 'socialise' her within her first 6 months - apparently that's when
> the form all their notions about stuff and is the owner's opportunity to
> ensure they end up with a well-balanced mutt and not a canine psycho.
The jesuits used to claim that about kids, that what you do
in the first 7 years determines how they will behave as adults,
but the military has known for millennia now that its actually
much more complicated than that and that you can still have
one hell of an effect when they are late teenagers too.
> Eg - look at: http://tinyurl.com/cfxyarp (or
> http://www.myhillskitten.com/~/media/719B9AA800464DCA9B095ABF21BFEF79.ashx?nocache=633631325234667765)
turned out fine, left all the rest I have ever had for dead.
> Funny thing really - ours has been totally laid back about everything and
> everyine she's experienced so far - tail never stops wagging - until today
> when she came across someone in the park with a push-chair. Nearly went
> into orbit! What's all that about...?
individual with it.
Most who have much to do with dogs know that some dogs
do take a particular dislike to particular individuals and it isnt
just because that individual has ever taken to them with a piece
of pipe etc either.
I know in my case that my dog never had anything to do with that individual.
funkyoldcortina
Apr 24, 2012, 12:05:53 PM4/24/12
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methods to Cesar Milan's. His show has a disclaimer at the start warning
people not to try his methods at home, hardly suprising since they are
grounded in myth and make-believe. Science-based methods do not come with
such a disclaimer. I know I wouldn't touch a dog that Cesar Milan had "cured"
with a bargepole...
funkyoldcortina
Apr 24, 2012, 12:12:26 PM4/24/12
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interesting and fascinating to them. That's why you have to get the
socialisation done early, to take advantage of this natural curiosity and
allow them to associate the things they discover with positive experiences.
After about 12 weeks, things gradually start to spook them, so you have to
make more of an effort to ensure the puppy has positive experiences to avoid
them developing a lifelong irrational fear.
Sounds like she's starting to reach this stage now and the pushchair was
something new and ultra-freaky to her, with her reaction being that of
nervousness now, rather than inquisitiveness.
funkyoldcortina
Apr 24, 2012, 12:21:23 PM4/24/12
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vulnerable to modern day. Dominance theory is totally debunked. See
http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm
for the reasons why, and the differences between dogs and wolves.
And for an article with advice from a vet association, read here
http://www.4pawsu.com/dominancestatement.pdf
It's simple. It's not just that using dominance theory to try and control a
dog doesn't work. It can actually be dangerous and/or make a problem WORSE.
Rod Speed
Apr 24, 2012, 4:56:02 PM4/24/12
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"funkyoldcortina" <fu...@example.com> wrote in message
news:jn6j0u$ui9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
seen in their respective TV series.
> His show has a disclaimer at the start warning people not to try his
> methods at home,
> hardly suprising since they are grounded in myth and make-believe.
> Science-based methods do not come with such a disclaimer.
> I know I wouldn't touch a dog that Cesar Milan had "cured" with a
> bargepole...
Rod Speed
Apr 24, 2012, 4:59:20 PM4/24/12
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news:jn6jd7$vkt$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Even sillier. Depends on the puppy.
> Everything is interesting and fascinating to them. That's why you have to
> get the socialisation done early, to take advantage of this natural
> curiosity and allow them to associate the things they discover with
> positive experiences.
> After about 12 weeks, things gradually start to spook them,
Again, depends on the dog.
> so you have to make more of an effort to ensure the puppy has positive
> experiences to avoid them developing a lifelong irrational fear.
Few dogs end up with anything like that.
> Sounds like she's starting to reach this stage now and the pushchair was
> something new and ultra-freaky to her, with her reaction being that of
> nervousness now, rather than inquisitiveness.
Or she was actually reacting to the individual pushing the chair.
You don't know which yet.
> Everything is interesting and fascinating to them. That's why you have to
> get the socialisation done early, to take advantage of this natural
> curiosity and allow them to associate the things they discover with
> positive experiences.
> After about 12 weeks, things gradually start to spook them,
> so you have to make more of an effort to ensure the puppy has positive
> experiences to avoid them developing a lifelong irrational fear.
> Sounds like she's starting to reach this stage now and the pushchair was
> something new and ultra-freaky to her, with her reaction being that of
> nervousness now, rather than inquisitiveness.
You don't know which yet.
Rod Speed
Apr 24, 2012, 5:07:32 PM4/24/12
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news:jn6ju0$1ek$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Like hell it is.
> See
> http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm
Just because some fool claims something, doesn’t make it gospel.
> for the reasons why, and the differences between dogs and wolves.
Even sillier on that last with some breeds.
> And for an article with advice from a vet association, read here
> http://www.4pawsu.com/dominancestatement.pdf
Just because some fool claims something, doesn’t make it gospel.
> It's simple.
Nope.
> It's not just that using dominance theory to try and control a dog doesn't
> work.
It clearly does work for Cesar.
> It can actually be dangerous and/or make a problem WORSE.
It clearly doesn’t with Cesar.
> See
> http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm
Just because some fool claims something, doesn’t make it gospel.
> for the reasons why, and the differences between dogs and wolves.
> And for an article with advice from a vet association, read here
> http://www.4pawsu.com/dominancestatement.pdf
> It's simple.
Nope.
> It's not just that using dominance theory to try and control a dog doesn't
> work.
> It can actually be dangerous and/or make a problem WORSE.
The Other Mike
Apr 24, 2012, 5:08:03 PM4/24/12
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:02:30 +0100, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:12:10 +0100, Alan <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
>><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>
>>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
>
>I worked as a postie for a very short time. Some dogs used to try and
>bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
>made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
Given that you only have a right to deliver letters and not enter the
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:12:10 +0100, Alan <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
>><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>
>>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
>
>I worked as a postie for a very short time. Some dogs used to try and
>bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
>made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
house you should have obeyed the guidelines laid down by Royal Mail
and kept your fingers on the outside of the door.
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Apr 24, 2012, 6:18:14 PM4/24/12
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perhaps a rectangular tube section of plastic some 6" x 1", which
could be pushed into the letterbox to open up any brushes and/or a
possible internal flap, so that the desired missive(s), as well as
takeaway menus, charity bags etc. can be simply dropped straight
through the speculum.
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Frank Erskine
hugh
Apr 24, 2012, 6:16:38 PM4/24/12
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In message <dkdap7hv2c3q2nltq...@4ax.com>, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> writes
protection by law. There was a judgement under the Dangerous Dogs Act
some time ago that the back of a car was for the purposes of the Act to
be regarded as a public place. There should be no difficulty in
extending this concept to include the access to the front door of any
house, or indeed any private property to which the public may
legitimately have access
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hugh
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> writes
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:12:10 +0100, Alan <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
>><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>
>>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
>
>I worked as a postie for a very short time. Some dogs used to try and
>bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
>made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
I have every sympathy for posties and they should be given full
>wrote:
>
>>In message <jn1nor$5cn$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
>><adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>
>>And does anyone believe it will make any difference? How many postal
>>workers have been bitten whilst walking in the street. I suspect that if
>>they are bitten/attacked it will when delivering to a property
>
>I worked as a postie for a very short time. Some dogs used to try and
>bite my hands when I was pushing the letters through the letterbox. I
>made sure those letters were heavily chewed.
protection by law. There was a judgement under the Dangerous Dogs Act
some time ago that the back of a car was for the purposes of the Act to
be regarded as a public place. There should be no difficulty in
extending this concept to include the access to the front door of any
house, or indeed any private property to which the public may
legitimately have access
--
hugh
hugh
Apr 24, 2012, 6:08:06 PM4/24/12
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In message <Us2lr.6002$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>, F
Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes
>John wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>
>> in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles when outside the home,
>> regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>
>The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify the owner
>for the various fines the powers that be can think up
No it doesn't. It identifies who it was that had the dog micro-chipped.
The solution is microchippng - now what is the problem?
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hugh
Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes
>John wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:56:02 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>
>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where there are
>>> dogs.
>>>
>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>
>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>
>> Microchips are all well and good provided you can catch the damn dog
>>> dogs.
>>>
>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>
>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>
>> in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles when outside the home,
>> regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>
>The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify the owner
>for the various fines the powers that be can think up
No it doesn't. It identifies who it was that had the dog micro-chipped.
The solution is microchippng - now what is the problem?
--
hugh
hugh
Apr 24, 2012, 6:12:24 PM4/24/12
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In message <9vjs0b...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes
>F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> John wrote
>strays so they can be returned to the owners.
That is why many pole -who incidentally would like their dogs returned -
decide to chip voluntarily.
Those who don't care, or have deliberately turned the dog loose, will
simply say they sold the dog yesterday to a bloke in the pub.
>
>Whether its actually worth the immense cost of microchipping all dogs
>tho is another matter entirely.
And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
stream for "other animal welfare issues".
--
hugh
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes
>F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> John wrote
>>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where
>>>>there are dogs.
>
>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>
>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>
>>> Microchips are all well and good provided you can catch the damn
>>>dog in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles when outside the
>>>home, regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>
>> The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify the
>>owner for the various fines the powers that be can think up
>
>The main advantage is to be able to find the owners when they are
>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>
>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you must visit houses where
>>>>there are dogs.
>
>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>
>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>
>>> Microchips are all well and good provided you can catch the damn
>>>dog in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles when outside the
>>>home, regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>
>> The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify the
>>owner for the various fines the powers that be can think up
>
>strays so they can be returned to the owners.
That is why many pole -who incidentally would like their dogs returned -
decide to chip voluntarily.
Those who don't care, or have deliberately turned the dog loose, will
simply say they sold the dog yesterday to a bloke in the pub.
>
>Whether its actually worth the immense cost of microchipping all dogs
>tho is another matter entirely.
And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
stream for "other animal welfare issues".
--
hugh
Owain
Apr 24, 2012, 7:37:54 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 24, 11:12 pm, hugh wrote:
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
> handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
> they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
> stream for "other animal welfare issues".
a new revenue stream for Capita, maybe
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
> handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
> they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
> stream for "other animal welfare issues".
Owain
Rod Speed
Apr 24, 2012, 8:06:34 PM4/24/12
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hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
quite a few don't really think that stuff thru or plan to get
around to it sometime and never actually do that.
> Those who don't care, or have deliberately turned the dog loose,
> will simply say they sold the dog yesterday to a bloke in the pub.
And wont even bother to have the dog
microchipped even when its compulsory.
>> Whether its actually worth the immense cost of
>> microchipping all dogs tho is another matter entirely.
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be
> to have a dog licence handled like DVLA with cars.
We havent seen that here, and we have had compulsory
microchipping for years now.
> The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that they saw
> this whole business as an opportunity to create a new
> revenue stream for "other animal welfare issues".
That hasn't happened here, whatever the RSPCA wants.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> John wrote
>>>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you
>>>>> must visit houses where there are dogs.
>>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>> Microchips are all well and good provided you can catch
>>>> the damn dog in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles
>>>> when outside the home, regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>>> The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify
>>> the owner for the various fines the powers that be can think up
>> The main advantage is to be able to find the owners when
>> they are strays so they can be returned to the owners.
> That is why many pole -who incidentally would like
> their dogs returned - decide to chip voluntarily.
Yep, but it certainly helps to make it compulsory because
>>> John wrote
>>>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17807349
>>>>> OK, possibly off topic but many of you
>>>>> must visit houses where there are dogs.
>>>>> Has anyone alse been bitten by a customers dog?
>>>>> I have been bitten twice.
>>>> Microchips are all well and good provided you can catch
>>>> the damn dog in the first place. Why not compulsory muzzles
>>>> when outside the home, regardles of size or breed? Job done.
>>> The main advantage of compulsory microchipping is to identify
>>> the owner for the various fines the powers that be can think up
>> The main advantage is to be able to find the owners when
>> they are strays so they can be returned to the owners.
> That is why many pole -who incidentally would like
> their dogs returned - decide to chip voluntarily.
quite a few don't really think that stuff thru or plan to get
around to it sometime and never actually do that.
> Those who don't care, or have deliberately turned the dog loose,
> will simply say they sold the dog yesterday to a bloke in the pub.
microchipped even when its compulsory.
>> Whether its actually worth the immense cost of
>> microchipping all dogs tho is another matter entirely.
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be
> to have a dog licence handled like DVLA with cars.
microchipping for years now.
> The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that they saw
> this whole business as an opportunity to create a new
> revenue stream for "other animal welfare issues".
Mark
Apr 25, 2012, 5:27:26 AM4/25/12
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outside the door. It's not always possible with small letters and
many dogs mouths are small enough to poke outside a large letterbox.
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Tim Watts
Apr 25, 2012, 8:41:51 AM4/25/12
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hugh wrote:
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
> handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
> they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
> stream for "other animal welfare issues".
>
New? You used to have to buy a dog license from the PO - when did that stop?
> And when it doesn't work the next excuse will be to have a dog licence
> handled like DVLA with cars. The RSPCA on our local radio admitted that
> they saw this whole business as an opportunity to create a new revenue
> stream for "other animal welfare issues".
>
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Jules Richardson
Apr 25, 2012, 9:33:36 AM4/25/12
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;)
hugh
Apr 25, 2012, 12:47:04 PM4/25/12
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In message <f18l69-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>, Tim Watts
<tw+u...@dionic.net> writes
When Thatcher was PM
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Rod Speed
Apr 25, 2012, 4:50:25 PM4/25/12
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Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote
That's nothing like DVLA with cars.
Not that that even works with cars, the worst of the reprobates don't bother
with it.
Not that that even works with cars, the worst of the reprobates don't bother
with it.
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Rod Speed
Apr 25, 2012, 6:42:07 PM4/25/12
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"Tim Streater" <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote in message
news:timstreater-EE81...@news.individual.net...
> In article <f18l69-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,
Presumably they are hoping to grab some of what gets paid in dog licenses.
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Rod Speed
Apr 25, 2012, 6:57:51 PM4/25/12
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> In article <9vrcu4...@mid.individual.net>,
> Why should they get any of it?
Presumably they were hoping to con the govt into going that route.
> In article <9vrcu4...@mid.individual.net>,
Presumably they were hoping to con the govt into going that route.
hugh
Apr 26, 2012, 10:12:31 AM4/26/12
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In message <timstreater-EE81...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
As I said they see the micro-chipping process and any related services
as a potential revenue stream.
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hugh
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>Why should the RSPCA have any interest in dog licences.
>
They didn't in the old dog licence scheme.
>
As I said they see the micro-chipping process and any related services
as a potential revenue stream.
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hugh
Apr 26, 2012, 10:13:09 AM4/26/12
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In message <timstreater-0D42...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
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hugh
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>Why should they get any of it?
>
Why indeed, but that's what they are hoping for.
>
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gri...@gmail.com
Apr 26, 2012, 5:18:09 PM4/26/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:12:26 +0100, funkyoldcortina
<fu...@example.com> wrote:
>Up until about 12 weeks puppies have almost no fear! Everything is
>interesting and fascinating to them. That's why you have to get the
>socialisation done early, to take advantage of this natural curiosity and
>allow them to associate the things they discover with positive experiences.
>
>After about 12 weeks, things gradually start to spook them, so you have to
>make more of an effort to ensure the puppy has positive experiences to avoid
>them developing a lifelong irrational fear.
>
>Sounds like she's starting to reach this stage now and the pushchair was
>something new and ultra-freaky to her, with her reaction being that of
>nervousness now, rather than inquisitiveness.
>
Certainly explains why some are freaked out by bicycles or men with
<fu...@example.com> wrote:
>Up until about 12 weeks puppies have almost no fear! Everything is
>interesting and fascinating to them. That's why you have to get the
>socialisation done early, to take advantage of this natural curiosity and
>allow them to associate the things they discover with positive experiences.
>
>After about 12 weeks, things gradually start to spook them, so you have to
>make more of an effort to ensure the puppy has positive experiences to avoid
>them developing a lifelong irrational fear.
>
>Sounds like she's starting to reach this stage now and the pushchair was
>something new and ultra-freaky to her, with her reaction being that of
>nervousness now, rather than inquisitiveness.
>
hard hats, ime.
The Other Mike
Apr 30, 2012, 5:22:30 AM4/30/12
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:27:26 +0100, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:08:03 +0100, The Other Mike
><rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote:
>Given that you only have a right to deliver letters and not enter the
>>house you should have obeyed the guidelines laid down by Royal Mail
>>and kept your fingers on the outside of the door.
>
>I was not aware of the guidelines.
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:08:03 +0100, The Other Mike
><rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote:
>Given that you only have a right to deliver letters and not enter the
>>house you should have obeyed the guidelines laid down by Royal Mail
>>and kept your fingers on the outside of the door.
>
I'm only quoting what my postie says when I moan about his holiday
cover replacement not putting the post completely through the letter
box. The normal postie says he deliberately breaks these rules
because post gets wet and an open letterbox lets the weather in.
Don't think he bothers if the house has a dog though :)
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