WI FI Radio

[fred]

SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.

What are her options ?

[The Other Mike]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:14:33 -0800 (PST), fred <tpmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
>What are her options ?

Why not a battery powered radio that picks up 198kHz or 92 - 95 ish MHz?


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[Mike Barnes]

fred <tpmc...@gmail.com>:

>SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>internet (we have a domestic wifi network.

AAMOI what's wrong with a radio radio?

--
Mike Barnes

[Martin Brown]

On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:
> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> What are her options ?

Most that are capable of that are also capable of DAB and FM.
Digital radios eat batteries quickly so it is a bad idea!

You will probably find the FM provides the most acceptable quality.

I have a DAB radio (that would run on batteries) that is used on the
internet because it is so lousy at receiving DAB.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:42:04 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:

>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> AAMOI what's wrong with a radio radio?

Remember we are talking about a SWMBO'd here, logic doesn't come into it.
And knowing SWMBO'ds Radio 4 may actually mean Radio 4 Extra, that is a
digital only station. You are also making tha assumption that there is a
useable R4 FM or LW signal available (depending on her ethusiaium or not
for Cricket).

As for an "internet radio" Squeeze Boxes are OK but not cheap, but then I
don't think there are any cheap (<£30) internet radios out there.

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Cheers
Dave.

[polygonum]

On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:

> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> What are her options ?
>

Almost any laptop PC or Mac, Android phone or other similar devices are
possibilities.

--
Rod

[Andy Bartlett]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...

don't think there are any cheap (<Ł30) internet radios out there.

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Cheers
Dave.




Get a cheap smart phone from tescos for about 30 squid. Use it in wifi mode
with an extension speaker. Works great and can surf the web as well.

Andy

[Roger Mills]

On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:

> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> What are her options ?

Why eat into your bandwidth allowance when there's a perfectly good FM
signal available?
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[Andrew Mawson]

"fred" wrote in message
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>
>SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
>What are her options ?

--
My iPhone does it quite cheerfully using a free app. My wife uses hers quite
a bit to listen to Classic FM when in her polytunnel & greenhouses. It cuts
out briefly as she moves around the site and the phone changes from one
wireless hub to another (in the vegetable garden she connects to the barn
hub, and elsewhere to the farm office or house hubs but the iphone does that
automatically)

AWEM

[Brian Gaff]

Many seem to use their smartphones for this sort of stuff.
Brian

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"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in message
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[Steve Firth]

An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well. Sound is
a bit tinny, battery life terrible but the actual application is
impressively good. It replaced my Worldspace radio that I used to get
foreign language stations and it's much better.

I wonder if they do a radio set... <googles> hmm they license to others,
including Logitech for the squeezebox.

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[Steve Firth]

Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:
>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>
>> What are her options ?
>
> Why eat into your bandwidth allowance when there's a perfectly good FM signal available?

Bandwidth allowance? Are you using the poor people's Internet?

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<•DarWin><|
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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<1692042533374697554.810269%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well. Sound
> is a bit tinny, battery life terrible but the actual application is
> impressively good. It replaced my Worldspace radio that I used to get
> foreign language stations and it's much better.

That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
with decent sound quality and good battery life...

--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.

Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[polygonum]

On 15/11/2012 19:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article
> <1692042533374697554.810269%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well. Sound
>> is a bit tinny, battery life terrible but the actual application is
>> impressively good. It replaced my Worldspace radio that I used to get
>> foreign language stations and it's much better.
>
> That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
> with decent sound quality and good battery life...
>

My Galaxy S2 has FM as well - but OP asked for internet radio...
Honestly not sure of battery life with that running.

--
Rod

[Martin Brown]

On 15/11/2012 18:58, Steve Firth wrote:
> Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:
>>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>>> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>>
>>> What are her options ?
>>
>> Why eat into your bandwidth allowance when there's a perfectly good FM signal available?

More to the point battery powered and DSP radio don't really work.

>
> Bandwidth allowance? Are you using the poor people's Internet?

Satellite has severe monthly quotas and is by no means cheap.

There are plenty of places in rural England where Internet radio stalls
at busy times of day like the early evenings. I get just about enough
bandwidth to stream normal TV but HDTV is out of the question and there
is no prospect of any upgrade here until hell freezes over.

We presently have three BT OpenReach vans parked in the village trying
to sort out the mess they made installing the most recent ADSL
connection and breaking 3 POTS circuits in the process. Three weeks and
counting spent on repairing the collateral damage so far.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

[Andy Burns]

Steve Firth wrote:

> fred <tpmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>> internet
>

> An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well. Sound is
> a bit tinny, battery life terrible but the actual application is
> impressively good.

+1

Don't forget to turn off the annoying announcements of foolball matches
you can listen to.

[Mike P]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:58:40 +0000, Steve Firth wrote:

> fred <tpmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>
>> What are her options ?
>
> An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well.

+1

I use that.

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Mike P

[Steve Firth]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <1692042533374697554.810269%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> An iPhone or Android device running TuneIn Pro works really well. Sound
>> is a bit tinny, battery life terrible but the actual application is
>> impressively good. It replaced my Worldspace radio that I used to get
>> foreign language stations and it's much better.
>
> That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
> with decent sound quality and good battery life...

<yawn>

Yes Dave, whatever you say. Good luck with picking up RAI or Ngoma or
Africa No 1 on your FM radio.

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<•DarWin><|
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[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:45:37 +0000, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:
>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>
>> What are her options ?
>
>Most that are capable of that are also capable of DAB and FM.
>Digital radios eat batteries quickly so it is a bad idea!
>
>

Some of the Pure or Revo ranges have rechargeable batteries .The Revo
I have runs for about 7 to 8 hours on a charge.
Seems a bit limiting to tie oneself to a mains socket if you are using
a WIFI radio.
I have a Revo Pico IR It's been built to be showerproof I can safely
perch it near the bath or take it down the garden. Been superceded
now by a later model that also has FM and DAB as well.
Some models will be able to let you use the Listen again /Podcasts
feature provided by some stations though occasionally you get an
annoying drop of connection and the programme starts again at the
beginning. Radio 4 extra seems to do that a lot in the evening.
Another feature of Internet radios is the ease of clearly listening to
stations not otherwise available. It has been interesting listening to
WCBS in New York as the City got flooded , shut down and then
gradually came alive again. One of the power distributors was getting
some stick this morning for being too slow at reconnecting. Mustn't
get too smug ,seems they are owned by National Grid so that'll no
doubt end up being less profit for them and higher bills for us then.
They all seem fairly expensive, Cheapest I found is a set from ALDI
that was around the forty poundish mark some years ago . Mains only
and no listen again feature and a bit slow to operate but not too bad
a set once the presets are set up. It has two speakers but too close
to be make much difference over a single one. Both it and the Revo
have a stereo audio out though so can supply headphones or a suitable
amplifier. The quality will vary with how good the Internet stream is
,some are poor, some are better a choice than DAB.

G.Harman

[Mike Barnes]

Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com>:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:42:04 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:
>
>>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
>>> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>
>> AAMOI what's wrong with a radio radio?
>
>Remember we are talking about a SWMBO'd here, logic doesn't come into it.
>And knowing SWMBO'ds Radio 4 may actually mean Radio 4 Extra, that is a
>digital only station. You are also making tha assumption that there is a
>useable R4 FM or LW signal available (depending on her ethusiaium or not
>for Cricket).

Well, no, I wasn't making any assumption, I was asking a simple
question. It's always possible that an FM radio with an "Internet Radio"
sticker on it would satisfy the customer. :-)

--
Mike Barnes

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<815072568374704452.383340%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
> > with decent sound quality and good battery life...

> <yawn>

> Yes Dave, whatever you say. Good luck with picking up RAI or Ngoma or
> Africa No 1 on your FM radio.

<yawn> Yes, pet, whatever you say.

Perhaps you might actually read the post from the OP you replied to. No
mention of 'RAI or Ngoma or Africa No 1' - but of R4. Which my phone gets
very well. In decent quality with decent battery life too.

Are you trying to take over from dribble in answering a question that
hasn't been asked?

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[Martin Brown]

On 15/11/2012 20:46, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:45:37 +0000, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/2012 16:14, fred wrote:
>>> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>>>
>>> What are her options ?
>>
>> Most that are capable of that are also capable of DAB and FM.
>> Digital radios eat batteries quickly so it is a bad idea!
>>
>>
> Some of the Pure or Revo ranges have rechargeable batteries .The Revo
> I have runs for about 7 to 8 hours on a charge.
> Seems a bit limiting to tie oneself to a mains socket if you are using
> a WIFI radio.

And a decent FM radio will run for about ten times longer.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

[Terry Fields]

Many and varied.

SWMBO listens to R4 a lot; I bought her a Roberts Solar DAB/FM radio:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roberts-DAB-Digital-Solar-Radio/dp/B003GM62PQ/ref=sr_1_1?
ie=UTF8&qid=1353020270&sr=8-1

It has cheaply-replaceable AA rechargeables but will run on alkalines (throw a switch in the battery
compartment); stood on an east-facing window ledge it never needs mains recharging from March to October.

I think the speaker is 67mm, and I suggest you don't get a radio with a smaller one.

I have a Pure Evoke Flow FM/DAB/WiFi:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/PURE-EVOKE-Portable-Internet-Radio/dp/B001FA05YU/ref=sr_1_1?
ie=UTF8&qid=1353020543&sr=8-1

Excellent sound and plenty of it, but not cheap and the battery and remote (a very useful extra) add to the cost.

--
Terry Fields

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <Useps.15$ow...@newsfe31.iad>,

Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> And a decent FM radio will run for about ten times longer.

My first battery portable (very early transistor) was AM only. Battery in
that lasted forever. Next came an FM one - not nearly as good battery
life. DAB even shorter. Is an 'internet' one worse still?

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*I thought I wanted a career. Turns out I just wanted paychecks.

[Steve Firth]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article
> <815072568374704452.383340%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>> That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
>>> with decent sound quality and good battery life...
>
>> <yawn>
>
>> Yes Dave, whatever you say. Good luck with picking up RAI or Ngoma or
>> Africa No 1 on your FM radio.
>
> <yawn> Yes, pet, whatever you say.
>
> Perhaps you might actually read the post from the OP you replied to. No
> mention of 'RAI or Ngoma or Africa No 1' - but of R4. Which my phone gets
> very well. In decent quality with decent battery life too.
>
> Are you trying to take over from dribble in answering a question that
> hasn't been asked?

AYOTB?

I gave the reasons why *I* like Tune In Pro radio. I did not say it was a
reccomended or the only way to listen to R4.

Still good to hear you have some manky old phone that can receive only one
station. Very useful. Obviously if it receives more stations than R4 then
it is useless, according to your bizarre standards.

Oh BTW he also said the requirement was to pick up R4 *via the internet*.
Can your tatty old phone do that? Or are you trying to take over from
Drivel by answering an unasked question?

And let's face it, even had the question been for advice on how to pick up
R4 on FM, your answer - use a Nokia phone would be fuckwitted enough to be
a Drivel answer.

Coming next Dave advises how to knock in nails using his forehead, because
hammers are some pointless modern invention.

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<•DarWin><|
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[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:58:58 +0000, Martin Brown

<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15/11/2012 20:46, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:45:37 +0000, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Most that are capable of that are also capable of DAB and FM.
>>> Digital radios eat batteries quickly so it is a bad idea!
>>>
>>>
>> Some of the Pure or Revo ranges have rechargeable batteries .The Revo
>> I have runs for about 7 to 8 hours on a charge.
>> Seems a bit limiting to tie oneself to a mains socket if you are using
>> a WIFI radio.
>
>And a decent FM radio will run for about ten times longer.

Horses for courses, this a fringe area and the main FM set needs it's
loft aerial. The old portables need the rod aerials extended and they
always seem to be in the way and there is still hiss at times and
listening to medium wave hasn't been the same since coming from a boat
was a valid excuse for a wooly sound.
Although it doesn't apply to the national stations so much if I'm
listening to a our BBC local and Bloody Football takes over I can
catch the regular programme over the net from the originating region.
That will happen less in the New Year with BBC cutbacks but will still
be valid occasionally.and if I don't like the replacement English
regional the that BBC will be offering it will be no problem to scour
the world for something else. And how can you do listen again on FM?
Like the HD recorder has made time shifting TV programmes almost the
norm for many, an Internet set can do the same for radio.
Battery time of 8 hours on a charge is more than adequate, I've no
need to spend 80 hours in the bath or down the garden before plugging
it in again and I doubt many others need to , If the set used U2's at
the rate of four a day it might be something to worry about.
I'm not sure it would last ten times longer anyway , have used the set
on FM a few times as it was a convenient thing to do ,can't say I
noticed it lasted that much more. Internet radio is more efficient
than DAB.
G.Harman

[dennis@home]

On 15/11/2012 23:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <Useps.15$ow...@newsfe31.iad>,
> Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> And a decent FM radio will run for about ten times longer.
>
> My first battery portable (very early transistor) was AM only. Battery in
> that lasted forever. Next came an FM one - not nearly as good battery
> life. DAB even shorter. Is an 'internet' one worse still?
>

The pure one flow I bought in asdas clearence sale needs a ~7000mA
li-ion battery pack and it doesn't last long when using wifi.

[RJH]

On 15/11/2012 18:25, Andrew Mawson wrote:
> My iPhone does it quite cheerfully using a free app. My wife uses hers
> quite a bit to listen to Classic FM when in her polytunnel &
> greenhouses. It cuts out briefly as she moves around the site and the
> phone changes from one wireless hub to another (in the vegetable garden
> she connects to the barn hub, and elsewhere to the farm office or house
> hubs but the iphone does that automatically)

My iPhone does it quite cheerfully using a free app. My wife uses hers
quite a bit to listen to Classic FM when in her polytunnel &
greenhouses. It cuts out briefly as she moves around the site and the
phone changes from one wireless hub to another (in the vegetable garden
she connects to the barn hub, and elsewhere to the farm office or house
hubs but the iphone does that automatically)

* Out of interest, does the mobile data connection kick in when out of
wireless range? If so, one to watch, as with my contract at least I'd be
reaching my limit very quickly (think you'd be loked at about 50MB/Hr).
Caught out by this recently.

Rob

[d...@gglz.com]

The one thing this doesn't do is battery power:

http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/airstream/airstream-10/

However if battery is "negotiable", then I strongly recommend the Airstream - particularly if you like iconic/novel product design.

Combined FM/DAB/Internet or FM/Internet models.

What makes it though is its superb build quality and thoroughly well sorted out interface/controls.

Internet via wifi or rj45, but radio is extendible aerial only, no ext antenna jack (for me that is the only shortcoming).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monitor-Audio-AirStream-Internet-Network/dp/B0047ZDUHY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353055557&sr=8-1

[Andy Burns]

d...@gglz.com wrote:

> The one thing this doesn't do is battery power:
> http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/airstream/airstream-10/

I bet Mr & Mrs Besotted are going to be pissed off when they have to
have an ugly mains lead trailing over their minimalist worktop.

<http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/assets/components/gallery/files/2010/12/as10-2.jpg>

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:58:41 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth wrote:

>> Why eat into your bandwidth allowance when there's a perfectly good FM
>> signal available?
>
> Bandwidth allowance? Are you using the poor people's Internet?

Most mobile phones have a download limit... As some one has pointed out
if using a mobile make sure it doesn't drop across to 3G if it loses the
WiFi...

A 128kbps stream is roughly 60MBhr and will chomp through 1GB in around
16 hours. (If I've got the maths right...).

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Rob]

On 15-11-2012 16:14, fred wrote:
> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> What are her options ?
>

As others have said the TunedIn radio app, free or paid for Pro version
which allows you to record.

Assuming that you have a smartphone. Just connect it to some audio
equipment with a suitable cable if you want decent sound output.

Don't have smart phone? Then pick up a cheap android phone from Ebay. No
need to use a sim since you are only using it as a wifi device.

Maybe buy a nexus 7 tablet. Then it can be a radio, tv and so much more.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:01:31 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

> I bet Mr & Mrs Besotted are going to be pissed off when they have to
> have an ugly mains lead trailing over their minimalist worktop.
>
> <http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/assets/components/gallery/files/2010/
> 12/as10-2.jpg>

And when the car keys go and hide behind that stepped forward bit.

And it doesn't look like you can see the display unless you are standing
over it. So you hear something you like but don't know artist/track you
can't simply glance at the set and see what it is.

Form over function again...

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:55:06 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

> Many seem to use their smartphones for this sort of stuff.

You seen the unsubsidised price of smartphones? B-)

But if you already have a WiFi smartphone (or an old one in a drawer) and
some means of connecting to decent speakers it might not be a bad option.

Tried the TuneIn (free, ad supported version) app mentioned earlier on an
Android tablet. Very slick and easy to use.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Andy Burns]

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> You seen the unsubsidised price of smartphones? B-)

Yes, they tend to sell like hotcakes

http://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb

[Andrew May]

Doesn't have to be a smartphone. Works just as well on an iPod touch and
the first generation ones can probably be picked up cheaply secondhand.
And she can store her music on it as well. Or, record from the radio
using Tunein Pro.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<1441032765374716499.749721%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article
> > <815072568374704452.383340%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an excellent FM radio built in
> >>> with decent sound quality and good battery life...
> >
> >> <yawn>
> >
> >> Yes Dave, whatever you say. Good luck with picking up RAI or Ngoma or
> >> Africa No 1 on your FM radio.
> >
> > <yawn> Yes, pet, whatever you say.
> >
> > Perhaps you might actually read the post from the OP you replied to.
> > No mention of 'RAI or Ngoma or Africa No 1' - but of R4. Which my
> > phone gets very well. In decent quality with decent battery life too.
> >
> > Are you trying to take over from dribble in answering a question that
> > hasn't been asked?

> AYOTB?

> I gave the reasons why *I* like Tune In Pro radio. I did not say it was a
> reccomended or the only way to listen to R4.

And I gave my recommendation for listening to R4 or any other FM station
while on the move. With decent quality and battery life.

> Still good to hear you have some manky old phone that can receive only
> one station. Very useful. Obviously if it receives more stations than
> R4 then it is useless, according to your bizarre standards.

Were you born a wanker or did you have to learn how to be one in that
public library?

> Oh BTW he also said the requirement was to pick up R4 *via the internet*.
> Can your tatty old phone do that? Or are you trying to take over from
> Drivel by answering an unasked question?

And poor audio and poor battery consumption is your answer?

> And let's face it, even had the question been for advice on how to pick
> up R4 on FM, your answer - use a Nokia phone would be fuckwitted enough
> to be a Drivel answer.

As was yours about using a phone etc where the OP obviously wanted some
form of portable radio.

--
*I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory*

[Steve Firth]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> And let's face it, even had the question been for advice on how to pick
>> up R4 on FM, your answer - use a Nokia phone would be fuckwitted enough
>> to be a Drivel answer.
>
> As was yours about using a phone etc where the OP obviously wanted some
> form of portable radio.

Shame a slack handful of people disagree with you, eh? Err and you do note
the massive hypocrisy of your response, given that you are pushing a phone
that doesn't even work via the Internet?

I have a different opinion about teachers to you, get over it. My brother
is a mechanic BTW, does that mean all mechanics are above criticism?
Alternatively are you just raising teachers to infallible sainthood or do
add in those other saints the nurses "God bless 'em!"

Although I'd like to see the latter showing some professionalism and
actually doing the job instead of yakking all night and texting their
mates.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<2131517304374761537.841462%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]

> >> And let's face it, even had the question been for advice on how to
> >> pick up R4 on FM, your answer - use a Nokia phone would be fuckwitted
> >> enough to be a Drivel answer.
> >
> > As was yours about using a phone etc where the OP obviously wanted
> > some form of portable radio.

> Shame a slack handful of people disagree with you, eh? Err and you do
> note the massive hypocrisy of your response, given that you are pushing
> a phone that doesn't even work via the Internet?

[Sigh] I simply offered a solution to the poor sound quality and battery
life you seem to have with your iPhone. But, of course no comment on that
perfect device is allowed by you.

> I have a different opinion about teachers to you, get over it. My
> brother is a mechanic BTW, does that mean all mechanics are above
> criticism?

I'd suggest you actually read what you wrote about teachers...

> Alternatively are you just raising teachers to infallible
> sainthood or do add in those other saints the nurses "God bless 'em!"

Most live in a world where things ain't all black or white. What world do
you come from?

> Although I'd like to see the latter showing some professionalism and
> actually doing the job instead of yakking all night and texting their
> mates.

Something else you've made a study of one, then, and proclaim on?

--
*A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door.

[fred]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:14:33 PM UTC, fred wrote:
> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
>
>
> What are her options ?

Thanks to all for the input.

FM and LW reception is too poor in this case hence the suggested WiFi radio.

She had an old battery powered Sony FM/MW/LW for yonks but it is rapidly expiring and the newer version I have is hopeless at LW reception.

Wasn't aware of the power consumption problems with WiFi radio making battery operation problematical.

TuneIn on her iPhone sounds like a good idea though she doesn't like buds or cans and likes to carry the radio from room to room Perhaps a small speaker might fit the bill. She has streaming radio in the kitchen and I suggested extending this to the other rooms but no, wouldn't do at all. Must be a portable

Ah well.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:11:14 -0800 (PST), fred wrote:

> TuneIn on her iPhone sounds like a good idea though she doesn't like
> buds or cans and likes to carry the radio from room to room

With it on or just so she has it in the room with her?

Plenty of docking stations with built in speakers about for iThingies
these days but not sure I've seen anything that would be a easily
portable and with batteries as a radio. A docking station would probably
charge the phone at the same time if mains powered.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Steve Firth]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <2131517304374761537.841462%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> [snip]
>
>>>> And let's face it, even had the question been for advice on how to
>>>> pick up R4 on FM, your answer - use a Nokia phone would be fuckwitted
>>>> enough to be a Drivel answer.
>>>
>>> As was yours about using a phone etc where the OP obviously wanted
>>> some form of portable radio.
>
>> Shame a slack handful of people disagree with you, eh? Err and you do
>> note the massive hypocrisy of your response, given that you are pushing
>> a phone that doesn't even work via the Internet?
>
> [Sigh] I simply offered a solution to the poor sound quality and battery
> life you seem to have with your iPhone.

[sigh] no you didn't. "That's progress? My old Nokia phone has an

excellent FM radio built in with decent sound quality and good battery
life..."

> But, of course no comment on that perfect device is allowed by you.

And you're talking bollocks since (a) I criticised the sound and (b) I'm
more than happy for anyone to say what's wrong with *any* device made by
any maker.

What I don't seen the point of is making up shit and pretending that it is
true.

Still, don't buy an iPhone because I heard one once electrocuted a granny
to death then mugged two socialists waiting in the queue at the local block
soviet.

Oh and on the positive side Android phones can be powered from two lemons a
stick of chewing gum and chanting Buddhist mantras.

It's true because I read it on the Internet.

[snip shit]

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Tim Watts]

Steve Firth wrote:


> Oh and on the positive side Android phones can be powered from two lemons
> a stick of chewing gum and chanting Buddhist mantras.

Wish mine could - the Galaxy S2 when doing actual work really needs a small
plutonium reactor.

:->

--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

[Andrew Mawson]

"fred" wrote in message
news:5c72655d-598a-49ca...@googlegroups.com...

Wife uses her iPhone radio app just on internal speaker - no headphone and
seems to manage

AWEM

[Steve Firth]

fred <tpmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> SWMBO wants a battery operated radio that can pick up Radio 4 via the
> internet (we have a domestic wifi network.
>
> What are her options ?

Having got interested for my own purposes, not many options I suspect.
Pure seem to have if not the cheapest then the cheaper WiFi radios and
the "One Flow" is portable and has a rechargeable battery it just limbos
under the �100 barrier at around �80ish. There seem to be some negatives
such as having to pay a subscription fee if you want access to their
radio programme guide. That seems a bit unfair when TuneIn does it for
free.

The Mutant pocket WiFi radio used to get rave reviews - 10 hour battery
life - but as far as I can see it has been discontinued.

There's a Sansui portable for about �90 and the OXX Vantage portable for
�70.

I don't know if any of these are any good or are getting into SWMBOs
price range.

The OXX gets rave reviews from customers:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B005BR1P9M/

it only seems to be available in red or white at the moment:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002THGT8Y
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002TH9J18

[Mike Barnes]

fred <tpmc...@gmail.com>:

>She has streaming radio in the kitchen and I suggested extending this
>to the other rooms but no, wouldn't do at all. Must be a portable

Nothing to stop her carrying a radio from room to room and plugging it
in wherever. I dare say you could even make a carrying handle out of the
mains lead.

--
Mike Barnes

[usenet2012]

In message <agmh8i...@mid.individual.net>, Andrew May
<andrew...@hotmail.com> writes

The latest update to TuneIn Pro however has left it crashing regularly.
(Mostly when you end a recording.)

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

[tony sayer]

In article <5c72655d-598a-49ca...@googlegroups.com>, fred
<tpmc...@gmail.com> scribeth thus

You could .. use an FM sender they are easily available, find an unused
frequency connect to either a fixed FM radio with a decent aerial loft
one perhaps or a wi-fi radio or PC or similar "tuned" to the desired
station then she can use a simple FM portable around the house listening
to her very own station;)...

Does work rather well...
--
Tony Sayer

[The Other Mike]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:58:39 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:

>You could .. use an FM sender they are easily available, find an unused
>frequency connect to either a fixed FM radio with a decent aerial loft
>one perhaps or a wi-fi radio or PC or similar "tuned" to the desired
>station then she can use a simple FM portable around the house listening
>to her very own station;)...
>
>Does work rather well...

You are hacking into my exact thoughts!

[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:58:39 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:

>

>>TuneIn on her iPhone sounds like a good idea though she doesn't like buds or
>>cans and likes to carry the radio from room to room Perhaps a small speaker
>>might fit the bill. She has streaming radio in the kitchen and I suggested
>>extending this to the other rooms but no, wouldn't do at all. Must be a
>>portable
>>
>>Ah well.
>
>You could .. use an FM sender they are easily available, find an unused
>frequency connect to either a fixed FM radio with a decent aerial loft
>one perhaps or a wi-fi radio or PC or similar "tuned" to the desired
>station then she can use a simple FM portable around the house listening
>to her very own station;)...
>

I use a variant on that when I do wish to use the mains radio or it's
CD or radio from the connected Freesat box. Often have a pair of
sennheiser cordless headphones connected . Other half sometime wants
to listen as well in a different location like her green house.
Amongst my box sorry ,crate of obsolete electrical bits I remembered
the Sky Gnome* which in a previous era I used to listen to a variety
of radio stations before I gave up Sky. Tried the receiver and it
picked up the signal from the headphone base unit a treat so SWMBO has
it the greenhouse now.
Not really applicable to the OP but someone may have one gathering
dust and be able to do the same. Obviously only on/off and volume
controls and the link channel selector controls work when it used like
this.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Gnome For them who wonder what I'm
on about.

G.Harman

[Steve Firth]

usenet2012 <usene...@invalid2012.org.uk> wrote:
[snip]

> The latest update to TuneIn Pro however has left it crashing regularly.
> (Mostly when you end a recording.)

The latest update that I downloaded (3.0) fixed that for me.

Do I need to not download further updates? <checks > no updates in the
queue.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:30:15 +0000, RJH <rep...@gmail.com> wrote:

>* Out of interest, does the mobile data connection kick in when out of
>wireless range?

Trivial to set it to not use datalink and use wifi only.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:01:15 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"
<andrew@please_remove_me.mawson.org.uk> wrote:

>Wife uses her iPhone radio app just on internal speaker

I do too, but the sound quality isn't all that. Ok for a speech
programme.

[Terry Fields]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:11:14 -0800, fred wrote:

> FM and LW reception is too poor in this case hence the suggested WiFi
> radio.
>
> She had an old battery powered Sony FM/MW/LW for yonks but it is rapidly
> expiring and the newer version I have is hopeless at LW reception.
>
> Wasn't aware of the power consumption problems with WiFi radio making
> battery operation problematical.
>
> TuneIn on her iPhone sounds like a good idea though she doesn't like
> buds or cans and likes to carry the radio from room to room Perhaps a
> small speaker might fit the bill. She has streaming radio in the kitchen
> and I suggested extending this to the other rooms but no, wouldn't do at
> all. Must be a portable

Why carry a whole radio about? Carry one of these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Wireless-Bluetooth-Speaker-Android/dp/B003MAJM4K/ref=sr_1_3?
ie=UTF8&qid=1353107662&sr=8-3

and provide the sound for it from a computer with bluetooth, or try one of these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Adapter-version/dp/B00778G714/ref=sr_1_1?
s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353107813&sr=1-1

Works a treat...

--
Terry Fields

[Martin Brown]

On 16/11/2012 00:51, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:58:58 +0000, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/2012 20:46, damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:45:37 +0000, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Most that are capable of that are also capable of DAB and FM.
>>>> Digital radios eat batteries quickly so it is a bad idea!
>>>>
>>> Some of the Pure or Revo ranges have rechargeable batteries .The Revo
>>> I have runs for about 7 to 8 hours on a charge.
>>> Seems a bit limiting to tie oneself to a mains socket if you are using
>>> a WIFI radio.
>>
>> And a decent FM radio will run for about ten times longer.
>
> Battery time of 8 hours on a charge is more than adequate, I've no
> need to spend 80 hours in the bath or down the garden before plugging
> it in again and I doubt many others need to , If the set used U2's at
> the rate of four a day it might be something to worry about.

It almost does... having to recharge one daily isn't my idea of useful.

> I'm not sure it would last ten times longer anyway , have used the set
> on FM a few times as it was a convenient thing to do ,can't say I
> noticed it lasted that much more. Internet radio is more efficient
> than DAB.
> G.Harman

A set with the DAB decoder in is quite likely to consume power at a
prodigious rate whether the thing is working or not. You need a
classically designed FM/AM radio to avoid battery trashing.

In the event of a national emergency digital DAB radios will be worse
than useless since their battery life is so pathetic.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:14:13 +0000, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>> I'm not sure it would last ten times longer anyway , have used the set
>> on FM a few times as it was a convenient thing to do ,can't say I
>> noticed it lasted that much more. Internet radio is more efficient
>> than DAB.
>> G.Harman
>
>A set with the DAB decoder in is quite likely to consume power at a
>prodigious rate whether the thing is working or not. You need a
>classically designed FM/AM radio to avoid battery trashing.

Just as well mine hasn't got one in then isn't it. FM and Internet by
WIFI or cable connection only..

>In the event of a national emergency digital DAB radios will be worse
>than useless since their battery life is so pathetic.

The OP was asking about a WIFI cabable Internet radio, Not how to
survive the Bomb, neither DAB which you introduced no doubt excited by
the trouser wetting chance to promote your prejudices some of which
may well be justified not but pertinant to answering his question.
In case of real national emergency then there will more to worry about
than how long a radio's batterys last. A wind up one would be good
thing to consider then ,I have two which are also torches there is
also an old bike with a dynamo lying about somewhere.
This being a group for DIY there will be many combinations to to the
problem and a vehicle with a tank of fuel will provide power for small
radios for a long time. But that wasn't what the OP wanted to know.

G.Harman

[usenet2012]

In message
<1546877218374790784.878629%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.or
g>, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes

You are lucky. The latest update improved the situation but here it
continues to crash as above.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <u5bfa8d0e8fklv2ef...@4ax.com>,

<damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The OP was asking about a WIFI cabable Internet radio, Not how to
> survive the Bomb, neither DAB which you introduced no doubt excited by
> the trouser wetting chance to promote your prejudices some of which
> may well be justified not but pertinant to answering his question.
> In case of real national emergency then there will more to worry about
> than how long a radio's batterys last

Quite - do people expect the radio transmitters and all of the chain
feeding them to run on air, if there is no mains power?

LW was the favourite for an emergency as one transmitter could just about
cover most of the country. And it does have its own backup generators.
Which I very much doubt every DAB or even FM transmitter has. There was
also at one time at least a single DC pair telephone line direct to the
Droitwich LW transmitter, so even with power failure to the lines,
something could be transmitted from London.

--
*Always borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back *

[Sam Plusnet]

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,
allsortsn...@howhill.com says...
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:58:41 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth wrote:
>
> >> Why eat into your bandwidth allowance when there's a perfectly good FM
> >> signal available?
> >
> > Bandwidth allowance? Are you using the poor people's Internet?
>
> Most mobile phones have a download limit... As some one has pointed out
> if using a mobile make sure it doesn't drop across to 3G if it loses the
> WiFi...
>
> A 128kbps stream is roughly 60MBhr and will chomp through 1GB in around
> 16 hours. (If I've got the maths right...).

That's always been my objection to 'internet radio' - most ISPs have a
monthly useage limit.

If you could use a Freeview box to supply the feed instead...

--
Sam

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:58:12 -0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

>If you could use a Freeview box to supply the feed instead...

Or a Sky box - dozens of free radio channels on that. I think I might
utilise the suggested FM mini-broadcaster with that.

[Theo Markettos]

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> Having got interested for my own purposes, not many options I suspect.
> Pure seem to have if not the cheapest then the cheaper WiFi radios and
> the "One Flow" is portable and has a rechargeable battery it just limbos
> under the £100 barrier at around £80ish. There seem to be some negatives
> such as having to pay a subscription fee if you want access to their
> radio programme guide. That seems a bit unfair when TuneIn does it for
> free.

There's many things to be wary of about internet radios:

1. The UI: the little LCD screens can be terrible to set anything on and jog
dials are a clumsy way to set up. Just imagine setting your wifi password
with a jog dial and you get the idea. This means searching for stations is
painful if that feature even exists.

2. The station database. Internet radio is often fragmented, because the
manufacturers are fighting against the broadcasters. Broadcasters want
people to listen on little Flash applets in their browser window so they can
push ads. To hook the stream into an internet radio (which runs neither
Windows nor IE nor Flash) means reverse engineering the website to work out
the stream URL... but such stream links often break.

Is the database well-structured, and is it easy to find things? How do you
get things added? Does anyone actually care about it? Stations might
listed as things like:

!!!111 HITS (lots of !!! to get to the top of the list)
103.6 Love FM (have to scroll through a lot of these to get to the interesting
stuff)
Alan's Rantz (internet-only bedroom radio station)
BBC Radio Somewhere AAC
BBC Radio Somewhere WMA (station in database twice)
Elsewhere BBC Radio (sorting order broken)
KAAA New York
KAAB Kentucky Bluegrass
...
KZZZ Alaska (there are /lots/ of American Wxxx and Kxxx stations)

Unless the database is well-curated, it's often full of dross.

3. Do they interact with more complex services like BBC iPlayer? Can you
access the recorded programmes, not just the current broadcasts? Can you do
the same for stations not explicitly supported (eg if the Voice of North
Korea decides to offer listen on demand, do I depend on the radio
manufacturer to support that station, or can I just point the radio at the
RSS feed?)

4. Can you use a third-party database? If the manufacturer gets bored, the
stream database will bit-rot very quickly, even if the servers stay up.

5. Does your idea of support match the manufacturer's?

My salutory lesson is I have two radios based on a platform from a Cambridge
company called Reciva. These are/were fitted to many models from Roberts,
Pure, Dixons, Oxx, BT, and many other brands. The UI is clunky, finding
stations is a pain, the build quality is poor, and Reciva have basically
said that 5 years is sufficient product lifetime and they've given up. The
database servers are still up, but they put little effort into maintaining it
and it's a mess. But I needn't worry about that, because both my radios
have died anyway (BGA soldering fault).


So, my lessons would be:

1. Get a touchscreen. It so much easier to use than an awkward jog dial
2. Buy a radio on an extensible platform (eg Android). If the vendor gives
up, you can switch to a different radio app.
3. Put up with the fragmentation. One size fits all, doesn't. For an easy
life, you might end up listening to BBC streams with the iPlayer app,
Brazillian radio with a Brazillian radio app, etc. If you're interested in
obscure stations you can guarantee that some won't be listed in the
mainstream apps.


I haven't looked at the current range of wifi radios in too much detail, but
I think I'd be wary in general. I think a tablet or a phone in a docking
station with speakers might be an approach worth looking at rather than a
'kitchen radio' box. But check that a slower device can actually keep up
with the streams.

Theo

[Sam Plusnet]

In article <m98ga8tvu6knr43hs...@4ax.com>, grimly4
@gmail.com says...

Freeview seems to have 25 radio channels, according to
http://www.freeview.co.uk/Channels - although I'd be hard pushed to find
more than 4 I would ever use.

Choice between Sky & Freeview would depend on what hardware you already
have. I can't imagine someone subscribing to Sky just for the radio.

If you had an aerial & a Freeview box from which you only took audio
output, I assume you wouldn't need a TV licence.

Mind you I wouldn't think it possible to select radio channels on the
Freeview box without using a TV to set it up.

--
Sam

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:54:09 -0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

>I can't imagine someone subscribing to Sky just for the radio.

Nobody would - it's free and any old cardless Sky box gets the radio
channels.

>If you had an aerial & a Freeview box from which you only took audio
>output, I assume you wouldn't need a TV licence.

Only if you'd no method of displaying video - you could invite the
TVLA bastard in and show him the box and amp but no telly or vid
recorder.

[RJH]

Ah yes I see, thanks.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <MPG.2b124211...@news.plus.net>,

Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> In article <m98ga8tvu6knr43hs...@4ax.com>, grimly4
> @gmail.com says...
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:58:12 -0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > >If you could use a Freeview box to supply the feed instead...
> >
> > Or a Sky box - dozens of free radio channels on that. I think I might
> > utilise the suggested FM mini-broadcaster with that.

> Freeview seems to have 25 radio channels, according to
> http://www.freeview.co.uk/Channels - although I'd be hard pushed to find
> more than 4 I would ever use.


> Choice between Sky & Freeview would depend on what hardware you already
> have. I can't imagine someone subscribing to Sky just for the radio.

You don't need the Sky subscription for radio. But do, of course, need a
dish. Or just use any old satellite dish/receiver.

> If you had an aerial & a Freeview box from which you only took audio
> output, I assume you wouldn't need a TV licence.

Dunno.

> Mind you I wouldn't think it possible to select radio channels on the
> Freeview box without using a TV to set it up.

Many - especially older - only listen to the one station anyway. Although
a cheap FreeView box with a front panel display of the (favourite?)
selected would be useful. However, most retain their memory even when
powered down, so getting to the station you want is possible via the
remote control, after you've set things up using a TV.

--
*Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.*

[m...@privacy.net]

On 17 Nov,

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Quite - do people expect the radio transmitters and all of the chain
> feeding them to run on air, if there is no mains power?
>
> LW was the favourite for an emergency as one transmitter could just about
> cover most of the country. And it does have its own backup generators.
> Which I very much doubt every DAB or even FM transmitter has. There was
> also at one time at least a single DC pair telephone line direct to the
> Droitwich LW transmitter, so even with power failure to the lines,
> something could be transmitted from London.
>

But they can't get the valves anymore, or so they say.

Other broadcasters can still manage to install long wave transmitters. I
wonder how RTE manage after moving from medium wave (567kHz) to long wave
(252KHz)

There's a lot (not) to say for privatisation.

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply

[tony sayer]

In article <MPG.2b11fcb32...@news.plus.net>, Sam Plusnet
<n...@home.com> scribeth thus

We're on VM and I don't know if they do cap it anymore since we went to
the 30 meg speed but it does get hammered these days mainly with U tube
and iplayer...

>If you could use a Freeview box to supply the feed instead...
>

Yep...
--
Tony Sayer