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Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 13, 2012, 8:22:35 AM6/13/12
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Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since it's
said people are quicker to complain than praise.
Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
dented too.
Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
needed
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said people are quicker to complain than praise.
Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
dented too.
Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
needed
--
*Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Ben Blaukopf
Jun 13, 2012, 9:32:51 AM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 1:22 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
eBay??
wrote:
> Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since it's
> said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>
> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
> at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
> off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
> dented too.
>
> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
> days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
> back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
> needed
Surely it's the supplier (unnamed!) who deserves credit here, not
> said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>
> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
> at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
> off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
> dented too.
>
> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
> days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
> back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
> needed
eBay??
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 13, 2012, 10:17:03 AM6/13/12
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In article
<5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to maintain a
good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
The supplier's Ebay name is 'prouneed'
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<5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
The supplier's Ebay name is 'prouneed'
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Adrian C
Jun 13, 2012, 3:31:08 PM6/13/12
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On 13/06/2012 13:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since it's
> said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>
> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
> at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
> off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
> dented too.
>
> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
> days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
> back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
> needed
>
I ordered an original Sky remote control on eBay.
> Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since it's
> said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>
> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me) supplier
> at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel was broken
> off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame was slightly
> dented too.
>
> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested. Two
> days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the old unit
> back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair invisibly if
> needed
>
What arrived was a knock-off, made from plastic one grade away from cheese.
I complained pretty sharply to the retailer, and got a friendly response
and pretty quick refund. Told to keep the item.
Now do I compliment postively for great customer service (the quick
refund), or negatively for them attempting a rip off?
Hmmm....
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Adrian C
Jim K
Jun 13, 2012, 3:35:10 PM6/13/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:17:03 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> Ben Blaukopf <bbla...@airsource.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 1:22 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since
>> > it's said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>> >
>> > Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me)
>> > supplier at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel
>> > was broken off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame
>> > was slightly dented too.
>> >
>> > Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested.
>> > Two days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the
>> > old unit back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair
>> > invisibly if needed
>
>> Surely it's the supplier (unnamed!) who deserves credit here, not eBay??
>
> Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to maintain
> a
> good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
>
> The supplier's Ebay name is 'prouneed'
perhaps if delivered by courier the supplier could claim their costs from
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article
> <5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> Ben Blaukopf <bbla...@airsource.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 1:22 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since
>> > it's said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>> >
>> > Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me)
>> > supplier at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel
>> > was broken off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame
>> > was slightly dented too.
>> >
>> > Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested.
>> > Two days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the
>> > old unit back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair
>> > invisibly if needed
>
>> Surely it's the supplier (unnamed!) who deserves credit here, not eBay??
>
> Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to maintain
> a
> good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
>
> The supplier's Ebay name is 'prouneed'
the courier?
Still good service tho.
I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback sellers,
paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -avoiding ahem
"foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
Jim K
Mathew Newton
Jun 13, 2012, 4:24:39 PM6/13/12
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On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31:08 PM UTC+1, Adrian C wrote:
> I ordered an original Sky remote control on eBay.
> What arrived was a knock-off, made from plastic one grade away from cheese.
> [...]
> I ordered an original Sky remote control on eBay.
> What arrived was a knock-off, made from plastic one grade away from cheese.
> Now do I compliment postively for great customer service (the quick
> refund), or negatively for them attempting a rip off?
>
There's nothing worthy of praise if a fraudster refunds you promptly. That's like thanking someone for not mugging you.
Mathew
Rod Speed
Jun 13, 2012, 5:15:18 PM6/13/12
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Mathew Newton <use...@newtonnet.co.uk> wrote
> The purpose of the feedback system is to inform other potential
> buyers of what they might expect to give them confidence (or not).
> There's nothing worthy of praise if a fraudster refunds you promptly.
> That's like thanking someone for not mugging you.
Dunno. Particularly with those that drop ship,
it can also be the ebay seller didn't realise that
their supplier had changed the device etc.
The obvious thing to so is say what happened in the feedback
and let others reading that decide for themselves if they like
that risk with someone drop shipping or not etc.
> Adrian C wrote
>> I ordered an original Sky remote control on eBay.
>> What arrived was a knock-off, made from
>> plastic one grade away from cheese.
>> I ordered an original Sky remote control on eBay.
>> What arrived was a knock-off, made from
>> plastic one grade away from cheese.
>> Now do I compliment postively for great customer service
>> (the quick refund), or negatively for them attempting a rip off?
> Surely the latter.
Not necessarily.
>> (the quick refund), or negatively for them attempting a rip off?
> Surely the latter.
> The purpose of the feedback system is to inform other potential
> buyers of what they might expect to give them confidence (or not).
> There's nothing worthy of praise if a fraudster refunds you promptly.
> That's like thanking someone for not mugging you.
it can also be the ebay seller didn't realise that
their supplier had changed the device etc.
The obvious thing to so is say what happened in the feedback
and let others reading that decide for themselves if they like
that risk with someone drop shipping or not etc.
Mike Barnes
Jun 13, 2012, 5:56:25 PM6/13/12
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Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
deal with.
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Mike Barnes
>I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
deal with.
--
Mike Barnes
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 13, 2012, 6:37:38 PM6/13/12
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In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
post something there.
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they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
post something there.
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The Natural Philosopher
Jun 13, 2012, 6:40:32 PM6/13/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>> deal with.
>
> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
> post something there.
>
state subsidised postal service in these keen export oriented places..
> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>> deal with.
>
> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
> post something there.
>
Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private sector so
once everyone worked in the public sector everyone would vote labour. De
facto Marxism. The quieter way.
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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
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Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 13, 2012, 6:59:26 PM6/13/12
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In article <jrb4t0$1dk$1...@news.albasani.net>,
--
*Be more or less specific *
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private sector so
> once everyone worked in the public sector everyone would vote labour. De
> facto Marxism. The quieter way.
But it's taken Cameron to destroy even more.
> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private sector so
> once everyone worked in the public sector everyone would vote labour. De
> facto Marxism. The quieter way.
--
*Be more or less specific *
Rod Speed
Jun 13, 2012, 7:26:54 PM6/13/12
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"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
>> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>>
>>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>>> deal with.
>>
>> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
>> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just
>> to
>> post something there.
>>
> state subsidised postal service in these keen export oriented places..
>
> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private sector so
> once everyone worked in the public sector everyone would vote labour. De
> facto Marxism. The quieter way.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
>> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
>> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>>
>>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>>> deal with.
>>
>> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
>> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just
>> to
>> post something there.
>>
> state subsidised postal service in these keen export oriented places..
>
> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private sector so
> once everyone worked in the public sector everyone would vote labour. De
> facto Marxism. The quieter way.
Rod Speed
Jun 13, 2012, 7:29:39 PM6/13/12
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Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private
>> sector so once everyone worked in the public sector everyone
>> would vote labour. De facto Marxism. The quieter way.
>> Remember the aim of Bl;air was to destroy jobs in the private
>> sector so once everyone worked in the public sector everyone
>> would vote labour. De facto Marxism. The quieter way.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
> But it's taken Cameron to destroy even more.
Nope, the GFC did that and that happened on Blair's watch.
dennis@home
Jun 13, 2012, 7:30:31 PM6/13/12
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> But it's taken Cameron to destroy even more.
in power.
There are also more people on the dole.
scorched
Jun 13, 2012, 8:15:58 PM6/13/12
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better off under Cameron?
Right on the button again, Dennis.
scorched
Jun 13, 2012, 8:59:54 PM6/13/12
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the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
Owain
Jun 14, 2012, 3:45:20 AM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 1:59 am, "scorched" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more people are on
> the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
Poland (in work)
> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more people are on
> the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
Somalia (on dole)
Owain
Lobster
Jun 14, 2012, 5:13:19 AM6/14/12
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On 13/06/2012 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article
> <5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> Ben Blaukopf<bbla...@airsource.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 1:22 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"<d...@davenoise.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since
>>> it's said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>>>
>>> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me)
>>> supplier at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel
>>> was broken off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame
>>> was slightly dented too.
>>>
>>> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested.
>>> Two days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the
>>> old unit back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair
>>> invisibly if needed
>
>> Surely it's the supplier (unnamed!) who deserves credit here, not eBay??
>
> Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to maintain a
> good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
I'm not normally a fan of the ebay feedback system but in that respect
> In article
> <5a7ff2ba-1d01-40d2...@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> Ben Blaukopf<bbla...@airsource.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 1:22 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"<d...@davenoise.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Lots seem to criticise using Ebay so here's a contrary view. Since
>>> it's said people are quicker to complain than praise.
>>>
>>> Bought a computer midi tower case and PS from an (unknown to me)
>>> supplier at a good price. It arrived damaged - the front plastic panel
>>> was broken off due to it being dropped. The bottom of the steel frame
>>> was slightly dented too.
>>>
>>> Contacted the supplier and sent some pics of the damage as requested.
>>> Two days later got a full refund via Paypal. Not required to send the
>>> old unit back. So I've got a free PS, and a case which I could repair
>>> invisibly if needed
>
>> Surely it's the supplier (unnamed!) who deserves credit here, not eBay??
>
> Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to maintain a
> good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
it's good - the other thing is that you've probably got a high, good f/b
score which means that your supplier probably trusts you not to be
taking the mick, and isn't requiring you to return the damaged goods as
proof - that benefits him by not having to cover your return shipping costs.
My big gripe with it though (when I'm selling) is that you can have a
totally unreasonable, newbie buyer with a throwaway account have you
jumping through hoops, basically holding you to ransom because you know
he'll give you negative feedback on a whim, with absolutely no detriment
to himself.
David
Lobster
Jun 14, 2012, 5:16:01 AM6/14/12
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refund"
David
dennis@home
Jun 14, 2012, 6:23:54 AM6/14/12
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"scorched" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
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>
There is a lot of debt that will screw up the average joe.
B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage and no personal debt) into
lots of debt.
> Right on the button again, Dennis.
dennis@home
Jun 14, 2012, 6:25:49 AM6/14/12
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Growing population, less retirement, more school leavers, partners wanting
to work, etc.
to work, etc.
scorched
Jun 14, 2012, 7:17:04 AM6/14/12
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I see, so Cameron is sorting it all out then?
Goodo.
Goodo.
Steve Firth
Jun 14, 2012, 8:17:54 AM6/14/12
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>> deal with.
>
> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
> post something there.
I bought a reversing camera and monitor for a van from a Hong Kong seller
> In article <kFRTfCMJ...@g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid>,
> Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>> I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>> sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>> avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>> I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>> deal with.
>
> Same here - mainly electronic components. Never ceases to amaze me how
> they sell for a price including postage when it would cost me more just to
> post something there.
recently. Cost minimal (£45) and delivered within 24h because they maintain
stocks in the UK. It's a good unit as well, I'm very impressed with it,
camera includes an IR illuminator and can be used as a rear view mirror as
well as reversing camera.
Steve Firth
Jun 14, 2012, 8:17:53 AM6/14/12
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Jim K
Jun 14, 2012, 8:46:19 AM6/14/12
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east) with no issues, sadly the sellers I try to avoid are already in the
UK.....and frankly some take the p1ss.
Jim K
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 14, 2012, 11:19:28 AM6/14/12
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In article <jrb7qp$6vi$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Given there are more people in the country, no surprise.
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Dave Liquorice
Jun 14, 2012, 11:22:06 AM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:59:54 +0100, scorched wrote:
>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when
B
>>> Liar was in power. There are also more people on the dole.
>
>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when
B
>>> Liar was in power. There are also more people on the dole.
>
> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more people are
> on the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
The "unemployment figures" only count those claiming "unemployment
> on the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
benefit" or what ever they call it these days. IIRC you can only
claim that for 6 months or something you then have to go on
"training" courses, take any job they offer you, or go self employed.
End result is you are no longer counted as "unemployed". If you
complete your "training" but still don't have/get a job, you don't go
back onto "unemployment benefit" but get income suport etc, so you
still don't count as unemployed.
So when things get tough "unemployment" figures rise, then as people
get shoved of into training/job/self employed they fall but the
number of people sat on their arses may not have chnaged very much at
all.
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Dave.
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 14, 2012, 11:27:29 AM6/14/12
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In article <1VhCr.195638$Qh7.1...@fx14.am4>,
would have been a chore - but not these days.
> My big gripe with it though (when I'm selling) is that you can have a
> totally unreasonable, newbie buyer with a throwaway account have you
> jumping through hoops, basically holding you to ransom because you know
> he'll give you negative feedback on a whim, with absolutely no detriment
> to himself.
I had a buyer try to bribe me into returning some of the sum he'd paid
claiming the goods were damaged, via a PM. And threatening to leave bad
feedback if I didn't. I contacted him via the Ebay PM system asking for
pics of the damage - too much bother. Asked him to return the goods for a
full refund - too much bother. Ebay found in my favour. They don't like
feedback threats - and of course I suspect they could access the PMs to
see exactly what was said. He'd already left bad feedback which Ebay
removed. So just stay cool and follow the procedure.
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Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to
> > maintain a good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
> I'm not normally a fan of the ebay feedback system but in that respect
> it's good - the other thing is that you've probably got a high, good f/b
> score which means that your supplier probably trusts you not to be
> taking the mick, and isn't requiring you to return the damaged goods as
> proof - that benefits him by not having to cover your return shipping
> costs.
I expected to and did send several pics of the damage. At one time this
> > Both, I'd say. The Ebay feedback system means suppliers want to
> > maintain a good score. Which doesn't apply to ordinary mail order.
> I'm not normally a fan of the ebay feedback system but in that respect
> it's good - the other thing is that you've probably got a high, good f/b
> score which means that your supplier probably trusts you not to be
> taking the mick, and isn't requiring you to return the damaged goods as
> proof - that benefits him by not having to cover your return shipping
> costs.
would have been a chore - but not these days.
> My big gripe with it though (when I'm selling) is that you can have a
> totally unreasonable, newbie buyer with a throwaway account have you
> jumping through hoops, basically holding you to ransom because you know
> he'll give you negative feedback on a whim, with absolutely no detriment
> to himself.
claiming the goods were damaged, via a PM. And threatening to leave bad
feedback if I didn't. I contacted him via the Ebay PM system asking for
pics of the damage - too much bother. Asked him to return the goods for a
full refund - too much bother. Ebay found in my favour. They don't like
feedback threats - and of course I suspect they could access the PMs to
see exactly what was said. He'd already left bad feedback which Ebay
removed. So just stay cool and follow the procedure.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 14, 2012, 11:28:46 AM6/14/12
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In article <jrce3s$7od$1...@news.albasani.net>,
into debt - yourself.
--
*60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer
dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage and no personal debt)
> into lots of debt.
Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one person who can get you
> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage and no personal debt)
> into lots of debt.
into debt - yourself.
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*60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer
Grimly Curmudgeon
Jun 14, 2012, 11:46:34 AM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:22:06 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote:
>The "unemployment figures" only count those claiming "unemployment
>benefit" or what ever they call it these days. IIRC you can only
>claim that for 6 months or something you then have to go on
>"training" courses, take any job they offer you, or go self employed.
>End result is you are no longer counted as "unemployed". If you
>complete your "training" but still don't have/get a job, you don't go
>back onto "unemployment benefit" but get income suport etc, so you
>still don't count as unemployed.
>
>So when things get tough "unemployment" figures rise, then as people
>get shoved of into training/job/self employed they fall but the
>number of people sat on their arses may not have chnaged very much at
>all.
Indeed; Thatcher's regime massaged the figures outrageously, but only
<allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote:
>The "unemployment figures" only count those claiming "unemployment
>benefit" or what ever they call it these days. IIRC you can only
>claim that for 6 months or something you then have to go on
>"training" courses, take any job they offer you, or go self employed.
>End result is you are no longer counted as "unemployed". If you
>complete your "training" but still don't have/get a job, you don't go
>back onto "unemployment benefit" but get income suport etc, so you
>still don't count as unemployed.
>
>So when things get tough "unemployment" figures rise, then as people
>get shoved of into training/job/self employed they fall but the
>number of people sat on their arses may not have chnaged very much at
>all.
carried on and amplified a line taken firstly by the previous
government.
dennis@home
Jun 14, 2012, 3:06:21 PM6/14/12
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news:529fc2a...@davenoise.co.uk...
Who do you think borrowed the national debt.
I will give you a clue, it wasn't me.
> In article <jrce3s$7od$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage and no personal debt)
>> into lots of debt.
>
> Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one person who can get you
> into debt - yourself.
Don't be stupid.
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage and no personal debt)
>> into lots of debt.
>
> Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one person who can get you
> into debt - yourself.
Who do you think borrowed the national debt.
I will give you a clue, it wasn't me.
Rod Speed
Jun 14, 2012, 3:14:58 PM6/14/12
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dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
> less retirement,
Bet that isnt happening.
> more school leavers,
Nor that either except with the kids of immigrants.
> partners wanting to work, etc.
I doubt that's happening much with the unemployment rate increasing.
Bet its mostly legal and illegal immigrants.
>>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>>>> But it's taken Cameron to destroy even more.
>>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when B Liar
>>>> was in power.
>>>> There are also more people on the dole.
>>> Ahhhhh, so compared to a couple of years back, your average Joe (i.e,
>>> me) is better off under Cameron?
>>> Right on the button again, Dennis.
>> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more people are on
>> the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
> Growing population,
Only by immigration in all first world countrys now.
>>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when B Liar
>>>> was in power.
>>>> There are also more people on the dole.
>>> Ahhhhh, so compared to a couple of years back, your average Joe (i.e,
>>> me) is better off under Cameron?
>>> Right on the button again, Dennis.
>> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more people are on
>> the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
> Growing population,
> less retirement,
Bet that isnt happening.
> more school leavers,
Nor that either except with the kids of immigrants.
> partners wanting to work, etc.
Bet its mostly legal and illegal immigrants.
Rod Speed
Jun 14, 2012, 3:31:27 PM6/14/12
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Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> IIRC you can only claim that for 6 months or something
Another myth.
> you then have to go on "training" courses, take any job they offer you,
Another myth.
> or go self employed. End result is you are no longer counted as
> "unemployed".
Another myth.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> If you complete your "training" but still don't have/get a job,
> you don't go back onto "unemployment benefit" but get
> income suport etc, so you still don't count as unemployed.
Another myth.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> So when things get tough "unemployment" figures rise, then as people
> get shoved of into training/job/self employed they fall but the number
> of people sat on their arses may not have chnaged very much at all.
Another myth.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> scorched wrote
>>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when
>>>> B Liar was in power. There are also more people on the dole.
>> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more
>> people are on the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
> The "unemployment figures" only count those claiming
> "unemployment benefit" or what ever they call it these days.
Nope, that's a myth.
>>>> Shame that's a lie.. there are more people in work now than when
>>>> B Liar was in power. There are also more people on the dole.
>> Forgive me, Dennis, but if more people are in work and more
>> people are on the dole, where did these extra fuckers come from?
> The "unemployment figures" only count those claiming
> "unemployment benefit" or what ever they call it these days.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> IIRC you can only claim that for 6 months or something
> you then have to go on "training" courses, take any job they offer you,
> or go self employed. End result is you are no longer counted as
> "unemployed".
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> If you complete your "training" but still don't have/get a job,
> you don't go back onto "unemployment benefit" but get
> income suport etc, so you still don't count as unemployed.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
> So when things get tough "unemployment" figures rise, then as people
> get shoved of into training/job/self employed they fall but the number
> of people sat on their arses may not have chnaged very much at all.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2291/unemployment/how-unemployment-is-calculated/
Rod Speed
Jun 14, 2012, 3:34:28 PM6/14/12
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Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage
>> and no personal debt) into lots of debt.
> Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one
> person who can get you into debt - yourself.
Not when its govt debt.
>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage
>> and no personal debt) into lots of debt.
> Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one
> person who can get you into debt - yourself.
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 14, 2012, 6:24:20 PM6/14/12
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In article <jrdcne$9hi$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Who do you think 'borrowed' it? Didn't realise it was missing.
> I will give you a clue, it wasn't me.
But you are in lots of debt?
--
*Reality is the illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol *
> I will give you a clue, it wasn't me.
--
*Reality is the illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol *
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 14, 2012, 6:25:11 PM6/14/12
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In article <a3usm8...@mid.individual.net>,
Every government borrows.
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*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? *
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*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? *
Rod Speed
Jun 14, 2012, 6:48:00 PM6/14/12
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Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage
>>>> and no personal debt) into lots of debt.
>> > Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one
>> > person who can get you into debt - yourself.
>> Not when its govt debt.
> Every government borrows.
Plenty didn’t borrow as much as B Liar did.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
>>>> B Liar has even got people like me (no mortgage
>>>> and no personal debt) into lots of debt.
>> > Seems you're in denial, Dennis. There's only one
>> > person who can get you into debt - yourself.
>> Not when its govt debt.
> Every government borrows.
In fact ours had no borrowing at all and there was some discussion
about what we would do with no federal govt bonds to buy.
Then the stupid yanks completely imploded much of the world's
financial system, again, and our equivalent of B Liar was actually
stupid enough to piss billions against the wall in an attempt to
ensure we could survive that. Turns out we didn’t even get a
recession so all of that was just wasted.
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 15, 2012, 5:35:03 AM6/15/12
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In article <a3v815...@mid.individual.net>,
> In fact ours had no borrowing at all and there was some discussion
> about what we would do with no federal govt bonds to buy.
> Then the stupid yanks completely imploded much of the world's
> financial system, again, and our equivalent of B Liar was actually
> stupid enough to piss billions against the wall in an attempt to
> ensure we could survive that. Turns out we didn’t even get a
> recession so all of that was just wasted.
Or perhaps it simply worked. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
--
*Few women admit their age; fewer men act it.
Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Every government borrows.
> Plenty didn’t borrow as much as B Liar did.
And plenty borrowed more.
> > Every government borrows.
> Plenty didn’t borrow as much as B Liar did.
> In fact ours had no borrowing at all and there was some discussion
> about what we would do with no federal govt bonds to buy.
> Then the stupid yanks completely imploded much of the world's
> financial system, again, and our equivalent of B Liar was actually
> stupid enough to piss billions against the wall in an attempt to
> ensure we could survive that. Turns out we didn’t even get a
> recession so all of that was just wasted.
--
*Few women admit their age; fewer men act it.
Rod Speed
Jun 15, 2012, 5:54:34 AM6/15/12
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>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>> Every government borrows.
>> Plenty didn't borrow as much as B Liar did.
> And plenty borrowed more.
Irrelevant to your lie.
>> In fact ours had no borrowing at all and there was some discussion
>> about what we would do with no federal govt bonds to buy.
>> Then the stupid yanks completely imploded much of the world's
>> financial system, again, and our equivalent of B Liar was actually
>> stupid enough to piss billions against the wall in an attempt to
>> ensure we could survive that. Turns out we didn't even get a
>> recession so all of that was just wasted.
> Or perhaps it simply worked.
Nope, we know it was pissed against the wall.
> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Wrong, as always.
>>> Every government borrows.
>> Plenty didn't borrow as much as B Liar did.
> And plenty borrowed more.
>> In fact ours had no borrowing at all and there was some discussion
>> about what we would do with no federal govt bonds to buy.
>> Then the stupid yanks completely imploded much of the world's
>> financial system, again, and our equivalent of B Liar was actually
>> stupid enough to piss billions against the wall in an attempt to
>> ensure we could survive that. Turns out we didn't even get a
>> recession so all of that was just wasted.
> Or perhaps it simply worked.
> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Andy Champ
Jun 15, 2012, 3:46:30 PM6/15/12
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On 14/06/2012 23:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Every government borrows.
One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
Andy
> Every government borrows.
One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
Andy
The Other Mike
Jun 15, 2012, 5:24:08 PM6/15/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:56:25 +0100, Mike Barnes
<mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>deal with.
Ditto on the far east sellers. Been ripped off by far more over the
<mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>:
>>I buy on ebay a lot and, generally, sticking with 100% feedback
>>sellers, paying by paypal, and, sadly now after too many duds, -
>>avoiding ahem "foreign sounding" sellers, are my guiding rules.
>
>I buy quite a lot from the far east and they've been great people to
>deal with.
years by UK and European sellers
--
Dave Plowman (News)
Jun 15, 2012, 6:54:33 PM6/15/12
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In article <l4-dnS85nc6KDEbS...@eclipse.net.uk>,
--
*Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin?
Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Every government borrows.
> One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
> who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
Of course they pay it back. Then borrow some more.
> > Every government borrows.
> One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
> who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
--
*Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin?
Rod Speed
Jun 15, 2012, 7:36:08 PM6/15/12
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Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote
> However if I tell you who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
Not if you say that Australia was one of them.
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>> Every government borrows.
> One or two have actually paid some of it back.
Some have paid it all back.
>> Every government borrows.
> One or two have actually paid some of it back.
> However if I tell you who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
Rod Speed
Jun 15, 2012, 7:51:52 PM6/15/12
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:52a06f4...@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <l4-dnS85nc6KDEbS...@eclipse.net.uk>,
> Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > Every government borrows.
>
>> One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
>> who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
>
> Of course they pay it back. Then borrow some more.
Not all do that last.
> Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > Every government borrows.
>
>> One or two have actually paid some of it back. However if I tell you
>> who I'll be labelled as a fascist, or something.
>
> Of course they pay it back. Then borrow some more.
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