First they came....

[The Medway Handyman]

First they came for the Smokers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Smoker

Then they came for the Drinkers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Drinker

Then they came for the Eaters
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an Eater

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228


Organisations representing nearly every doctor in the UK have united in
a single campaign to tackle rising levels of obesity.

The campaign will start by reviewing the case for fat taxes, promoting
exercise, restricting food advertising and other measures.

The first phase of the campaign will try to find out what works. It will
review evidence for diets, exercise, taxation, minimum pricing, changing
advertising and food labelling, which medical procedures work and how
children are educated.

Recommendations could target food companies who sponsor major sporting
events - such as the Olympics - and fast food outlets which operate
close to schools.

Prof Stephenson said allowing companies such as Coca-Cola and McDonalds
to sponsor the London 2012 Olympics "sends the wrong message."


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[ARWadsworth]

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228

I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".

I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.

This guy gets it right at 13min and 50 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s078btChwdg
--
Adam

[David WE Roberts]

"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:yPyir.205599$mj1.1...@fx25.am4...

But first they have to decide what is a good diet and a bad diet.

Try Googling LCHF and see how much of that diet is likely to be legislated
against.

Although CocaCola is the drink of the devil.

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

[The Medway Handyman]

And stop this nonsense about good & bad foods.

>
> Try Googling LCHF and see how much of that diet is likely to be
> legislated against.

Much the same as the advice on the posters on the wall at my junior school.
>
> Although Coca Cola is the drink of the devil.

Agreed, but 1 a month ain't gonna kill ya.

[The Natural Philosopher]

put the fatties on treadmills and hook em up to the National Grid..

it would be handy for when the wind drops.



--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

[David WE Roberts]

"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me...

I think the technical description is
"The problem is that your mouth is biggger than your arsehole".
;-)

[ARWadsworth]

David WE Roberts wrote:

> Although CocaCola is the drink of the devil.

Worse than a protein shake?

--
Adam

[Adrian]

In message <jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>
>I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
>
>I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.
>

But what they don't seem to work out is that no matter what you do,
you'll still die.


Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

[ARWadsworth]

The Medway Handyman wrote:
>
> Agreed, but 1 a month ain't gonna kill ya.

Try telling that to the wife at the wrong time of the month.

--
Adam

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <jmeiri$l5v$1...@dont-email.me>,

ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> David WE Roberts wrote:

> > Although CocaCola is the drink of the devil.

> Worse than a protein shake?

Only if you swallow.

--
*Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm *

Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Andy Cap]

"Smoking hot memo from David Hockney to Health Minister: Keep your mean,
dreary views out of my life"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129954/Smoking-hot-memo-David-Hockney-Health-Minister-Keep-mean-dreary-views-life.html#ixzz1s7OQButO


http://tinyurl.com/86w3225

Andy C

[ARWadsworth]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <jmeiri$l5v$1...@dont-email.me>,
> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > David WE Roberts wrote:
>
> > > Although CocaCola is the drink of the devil.
>
> > Worse than a protein shake?
>
> Only if you swallow.

So I am told.

--
Adam

[ARWadsworth]

Adrian wrote:
> In message <jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> > The Medway Handyman wrote:
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
> >
> > I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather
> > than exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
> >
> > I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.
> >
>
>
> But what they don't seem to work out is that no matter what you do,
> you'll still die.

I do expect that the cure for death will be found the day after I die and it
must be administered to a living person for it to work

I am going to live forever or die trying.

--
Adam

[Mentalguy2k8]

"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me...

> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>
> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".

I think it's possible to eat the same amount of food and do exercise to lose
weight, you just have to eat *different* food, food with less calories.

[NT]

On Apr 15, 1:04 pm, The Medway Handyman <davidl...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the latest excuse for widespread additional taxation


NT

[Dave - Cyclists VOR]

How cynical. Surely they would never....

...oh hang on, they have.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

[ARWadsworth]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >
> put the fatties on treadmills and hook em up to the National Grid..

So the "carrot and stick" becomes a "cake and stick"

--
Adam

[dennis@home]

"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:jmehkp$sm0$2...@news.albasani.net...

>>
> put the fatties on treadmills and hook em up to the National Grid..
>
> it would be handy for when the wind drops.

Silly boy, the electricity rating is for how much they use, not what they
generate.

[dennis@home]

"Andy Cap" <zmjv...@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:KJidnRE6tJdPShfS...@brightview.co.uk...

>
> "Smoking hot memo from David Hockney to Health Minister: Keep your mean,
> dreary views out of my life"
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129954/Smoking-hot-memo-David-Hockney-Health-Minister-Keep-mean-dreary-views-life.html#ixzz1s7OQButO
>

A bit biased, they may not light up in public because they aren't stupid
enough to smoke!

[ARWadsworth]

You could feed them baked beans

--
Adam

[ARWadsworth]

David WE Roberts wrote:
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me...
> > The Medway Handyman wrote:
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
> >
> > I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather
> > than exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
> >
> > I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.
> >
> > This guy gets it right at 13min and 50 seconds.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s078btChwdg
>
>
> I think the technical description is
> "The problem is that your mouth is biggger than your arsehole".
> ;-)

These people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXTq2_3LfXM


--
Adam

[Andy Cap]

On 15/04/12 16:11, dennis@home wrote:

>
> A bit biased, they may not light up in public because they aren't stupid
> enough to smoke!

I think the real point is that they are not our parents. Providing
information is one thing, enforcement quite another.

[jgharston]

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> The first phase of the campaign will try to find out what works.

Oooo, evidence-based policy making. We can't have that. If we
do that we'll be building nuclear power stations and using
wind turbines to generate electricity by burning them.

JGH

[ARWadsworth]

One of the reasons some of the apprentices at work like me is because I let
them smoke in my van.

--
Adam

[js.b1]

Many factors are blamed for weight gain:
- Sedentary lifestyle.
- Ease of bulk-buy high-calorie food.
- Dietary advice post 1960 that is dubious.
- Poor meal routine re timing.
- Poor sleep driving metabolic (hunger) reaction.
- Dual income required for housing costs.

The real factor is Food Science became Engineering.
- An overweight person's day is nearly always a set path.
- Continuous snacking, driven by addiction, to highly engineered
comfort foods.

USA food science moved from cost reduction to engineer food around
focus group trails. Human food expectation, preference and
psychological loading can be manipulated. Classic is modifying
confectionery to create extreme craving.

Good way to break the cycle:
- Have a "boring food" every other day, after a year there will have
been substantial weight loss.

Bad way to break the cycle:
- Tax on pizza, chocolate, etc

Indeed food suppliers have already lobbied to "help" consumers by
making chocolate bars smaller & higher priced, oddly enough boosting
their profits in the name of "it is good for (cough) you". So expect
more of this nonsense, never mind the actual food engineering in the
underlying product.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT), jgharston wrote:

>> The first phase of the campaign will try to find out what works.
>
> Oooo, evidence-based policy making. We can't have that.

Naw, this a round of "consulations" for which expensive consultants
will be engaged to produce documents to go foward to the next round
of consultations... There may be a few consultation trials, engaging
yet more consultants. Trials geared to produce the answers required
but with enough scope to be inconclusive and require more
consultations to sort out.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Owain]

yes, suspend the cake just out of their reach in front of them on the
treadmill.

Owain

[js.b1]

On Apr 15, 4:43 pm, "Dave Liquorice"

Which will be based on #1 - boost the profit of the stakeholders, #2 -
boost contributions to the party / family members, #3 - boost GDP
since we do not have any, #4 - make the treasury happier and #5 - not
cost votes we need, whilst shafting those votes we do not need.

You wonder why everything takes so long to get nowhere, and costs a
fortune...

[Tim Watts]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <jmeiri$l5v$1...@dont-email.me>,
> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> David WE Roberts wrote:
>
>> > Although CocaCola is the drink of the devil.
>
>> Worse than a protein shake?
>
> Only if you swallow.
>

*urk*
--
Tim Watts

[Tim Watts]

Adrian wrote:

> In message <jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me>, ARWadsworth
> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>>
>>I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>>exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
>>
>>I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.
>>
>
>
> But what they don't seem to work out is that no matter what you do,
> you'll still die.
>
>
> Adrian

"Being born is the biggest cause of death"

--
Tim Watts

[ARWadsworth]

Who's paying for their taxi?
--
Adam

[Bob Eager]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:54:11 -0700, js.b1 wrote:

> Indeed food suppliers have already lobbied to "help" consumers by making
> chocolate bars smaller & higher priced, oddly enough boosting their
> profits in the name of "it is good for (cough) you".

Hotel towel syndrome.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <nr9r59-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,

Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease...

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <640d57fb-306d-4ace...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

"js.b1" <js...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> Many factors are blamed for weight gain:
> - Sedentary lifestyle.
> - Ease of bulk-buy high-calorie food.
> - Dietary advice post 1960 that is dubious.
> - Poor meal routine re timing.
> - Poor sleep driving metabolic (hunger) reaction.
> - Dual income required for housing costs.

Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US lake.
It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.

(Increase in passenger weight since the boat was certified wasn't the
only factor in the capsize, but was significant.)

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <jmf1t1$7ah$2...@dont-email.me>,

Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US lake.
> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.

Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

--
*It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

[ARWadsworth]

js.b1 wrote:
> Many factors are blamed for weight gain:
> - Sedentary lifestyle.
> - Ease of bulk-buy high-calorie food.
> - Dietary advice post 1960 that is dubious.
> - Poor meal routine re timing.
> - Poor sleep driving metabolic (hunger) reaction.
> - Dual income required for housing costs.
>
> The real factor is Food Science became Engineering.
> - An overweight person's day is nearly always a set path.
> - Continuous snacking, driven by addiction, to highly engineered
> comfort foods.

Or in laymans terms "over eating".

However I prefer the words "greedy fat bastard"

--
Adam

[dennis@home]

"Andy Cap" <zmjv...@trashmail.net> wrote in message

news:V6udnb-lu_9RexfS...@brightview.co.uk...

The enforcement of the smoking ban is to protect others, pretty much as for
any other H&S enforcement.
Nobody really cares if smokers kill themselves, they are adults and are
doing it to themselves.
However when they do it to others its a different matter.
Smokers are likely to be too stupid to actually understand this.

[S Viemeister]

On 4/15/2012 1:56 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<jmf1t1$7ah$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Andrew Gabriel<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US lake.
>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.
>
>
> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?
>

My mother was 5'8"; my daughter is 6'...

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <5280ea0...@davenoise.co.uk>,

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes:
> In article <jmf1t1$7ah$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US lake.
>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.
>
> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

I've seen that elsewhere. US height had been increasing at 1" every
25 years, for almost 100 years, but over the most recent 25 years, it's
shrunk by almost 1". Recent poor diet has been suggested as a possible
cause. So between start and end of that 41 year period, they're probably
almost unchanged, although part way through it they were taller.

In the UK, we seem to lag the US growth trends by 25 years and were
shorter, but we hadn't yet seen any shrinking, and our race-corrected
heights overtook the US due to our continuing growth and their recent
shrinkage.

It was probably 5+ years ago when I saw this data.

[geoff]

In message <9uvtdh...@mid.individual.net>, David WE Roberts
<nos...@btinternet.com> writes
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>>
>
>But first they have to decide what is a good diet and a bad diet.
>
>Try Googling LCHF and see how much of that diet is likely to be
>legislated against.
>

There are so many conflicting messages

and the obsession with fat causing fat (so to speak)
fat is mainly formed by excess carbs being converted into fat



--
geoff

[gri...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:44:18 +0100, The Medway Handyman
<davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>And stop this nonsense about good & bad foods.

The odd poke of chips or burger is fine - no real downside to them;
it's when fat lazy bastards eat them all the time and become fatter,
lazier bastards - that's the trouble.

[dennis@home]

"geoff" <tr...@uk-diy.org> wrote in message
news:T53EXDV5...@virginmedia.com...

Excess calories absorbed will be stored, there is only one long term storage
in the body and that is fat.
therefore all excess calories will be turned to fat not just fatty food.
there are mechanisms in the body to convert between the different energy
sources.
I should know as one of the major ones doesn't work in me.
I can't metabolise lipids (fat) at better than ~1% of normal.
At least I don't make cholesterol so its very low.

[Rod Speed]

S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote

>> Andrew Gabriel<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US
>>> lake.
>>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
>>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.

>> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

> My mother was 5'8"; my daughter is 6'...

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

[Rod Speed]

Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote

>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US
>>> lake.
>>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
>>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.

>> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

> I've seen that elsewhere. US height had been increasing at 1" every 25
> years,
> for almost 100 years, but over the most recent 25 years, it's shrunk by
> almost 1".

Was that true of the group that didn't include recent immigrants tho ?

The US has always had an immense legal and illegal immigration rate,
and in those most recent 25 years, a lot of that has been from central
america and asia which are generally shorter than previous immigrants.

> Recent poor diet has been suggested as a possible cause.

It wouldn't be that hard to prove that with those immigrant groups etc.

> So between start and end of that 41 year period, they're probably
> almost unchanged, although part way through it they were taller.

It would be interesting to see if that's actually true of caucasians,
superficially unlikely.

[Cash]

ARWadsworth wrote:
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>
> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
>
> I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.
>

> This guy gets it right at 13min and 50 seconds.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s078btChwdg

Just out of curiosity though, I wonder how many doctors are 'obese' and
require a bit of paring down?

I had this discussion with my own GP about a year ago, just after my last
stroke, and he was gently rollicking me about my weight - until I simply
pointed to his midriff and said "what about yours" along with a few more
comments about his diet and lack of exercise - he agreed, gave me a few more
pills, and quickly changed the topic.

Before these people start attacking the general public on any health matter,
they should have a very good look at all those working in the health
profession first - from the top to bottom.

[Clive George]

Anybody taking advice on alcohol consumption from a doctor can't have
met many medical students :-)

[Windmill]

"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> writes:


>"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me...

>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>>
>> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".

>I think it's possible to eat the same amount of food and do exercise to lose
>weight, you just have to eat *different* food, food with less calories.


There was a fuss some while back about a high-protein, low carbohydrate
diet, something like steak with salad, and some doctors were saying
that it would lead to all manner of problems.

So eating fish must surely be unhealthy.

There was a fuss long ago about salt intake, with one lone voice
pointing out that only 10% of the population were unable to rapidly
eliminate excess salt from their bodies.

Now there's been a rerun, and now another lone voice says it's 20%.

Who funds these 'studies' ?

--
Windmill, Til...@Nonetel.com Use t m i l l
J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

[Windmill]

Andy Cap <zmjv...@trashmail.net> writes:

>On 15/04/12 16:11, dennis@home wrote:

>>
>> A bit biased, they may not light up in public because they aren't stupid
>> enough to smoke!


>I think the real point is that they are not our parents. Providing
>information is one thing, enforcement quite another.

But surely they should be allowed to enforce. After all, they have
repeatedly proved that their decision-making is flawless.

[Windmill]

I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
effects on one's health.
Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was best
for you though.

[Windmill]

Doctors as a group have a bad reputation for smoking, drinking,
self-medicating, and deluding themselves that they know everything.
I'll accept that many, maybe most, are dedicated people, but not that
their non-medical judgement is any good at all.

[Rod Speed]

Windmill <spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote
> Cash <.............\\@...............//.com> wrote

>> ARWadsworth wrote
>>> The Medway Handyman wrote

>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228

>>> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>>> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".

>>> I could be a doctor if they have only just worked that one out.

>>> This guy gets it right at 13min and 50 seconds.

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s078btChwdg

>> Just out of curiosity though, I wonder how many
>> doctors are 'obese' and require a bit of paring down?

>> I had this discussion with my own GP about a year ago, just after my last
>> stroke, and he was gently rollicking me about my weight - until I simply
>> pointed to his midriff and said "what about yours" along with a few more
>> comments about his diet and lack of exercise - he agreed, gave me a few
>> more
>> pills, and quickly changed the topic.

>> Before these people start attacking the general public on any health
>> matter,
>> they should have a very good look at all those working in the health
>> profession first - from the top to bottom.

> Doctors as a group have a bad reputation for smoking, drinking,
> self-medicating,

That reputation is more reputation than fact tho, particularly with smoking.

> and deluding themselves that they know everything.

Not that uncommon with that group in the population,
doctors in the modern first world are effectively selected
quite a bit from the population as a whole on admission
to the medical education system particularly.

> I'll accept that many, maybe most, are dedicated people,
> but not that their non-medical judgement is any good at all.

Dunno, its unlikely to be any worse than the same group
mental capacity wise in the population as a whole.

[dennis@home]

"Windmill" <spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:M2Jtx...@freebie.onetel.net.uk...

> Doctors as a group have a bad reputation for smoking, drinking,
> self-medicating, and deluding themselves that they know everything.
> I'll accept that many, maybe most, are dedicated people, but not that
> their non-medical judgement is any good at all.

I wouldn't worry too much as its not GPs that are the experts in health
care.
They just pass on the message and need to take the advice too.

[Jim K]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:14:42 +0100, Andy Cap <zmjv...@trashmail.net>
wrote:

<snip>

> "Smoking hot memo from David Hockney to Health Minister: Keep your mean,
> dreary views out of my life"
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129954/Smoking-hot-memo-David-Hockney-Health-Minister-Keep-mean-dreary-views-life.html#ixzz1s7OQButO

once a junky....

Jim K

[Brian Gaff]

I'm surprised they have not taxed sex yet.

Brian

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"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:yPyir.205599$mj1.1...@fx25.am4...
> First they came for the Smokers
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not a Smoker
>
> Then they came for the Drinkers
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not a Drinker
>
> Then they came for the Eaters
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not an Eater
>
> Then they came for me
> And there was no one left
> To speak out for me
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>
>
> Organisations representing nearly every doctor in the UK have united in a
> single campaign to tackle rising levels of obesity.
>
> The campaign will start by reviewing the case for fat taxes, promoting
> exercise, restricting food advertising and other measures.
>
> The first phase of the campaign will try to find out what works. It will
> review evidence for diets, exercise, taxation, minimum pricing, changing
> advertising and food labelling, which medical procedures work and how
> children are educated.
>
> Recommendations could target food companies who sponsor major sporting
> events - such as the Olympics - and fast food outlets which operate close
> to schools.
>
> Prof Stephenson said allowing companies such as Coca-Cola and McDonalds to
> sponsor the London 2012 Olympics "sends the wrong message."
>
>
> --
> Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[The Medway Handyman]

On 16/04/2012 02:22, Windmill wrote:
> "Mentalguy2k8"<Mental...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> "ARWadsworth"<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:jmef0n$vr6$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>>>
>>> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>>> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".
>
>> I think it's possible to eat the same amount of food and do exercise to lose
>> weight, you just have to eat *different* food, food with less calories.
>
>
> There was a fuss some while back about a high-protein, low carbohydrate
> diet, something like steak with salad, and some doctors were saying
> that it would lead to all manner of problems.
>
> So eating fish must surely be unhealthy.
>
> There was a fuss long ago about salt intake, with one lone voice
> pointing out that only 10% of the population were unable to rapidly
> eliminate excess salt from their bodies.
>
> Now there's been a rerun, and now another lone voice says it's 20%.
>
> Who funds these 'studies' ?
>

Large, influential, multi national drug companies.

[Moonraker]

On 16/04/2012 08:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I'm surprised they have not taxed sex yet.
>
> Brian
>

Fine with me Brian, I am too old now! ;-)

--
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[Rod Speed]

Brian Gaff <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> I'm surprised they have not taxed sex yet.

They have, prostitutes get to pay VAT and income tax, just like everyone
else.

[Rod Speed]

The Medway Handyman <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

> Windmill wrote
>> Mentalguy2k8<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> ARWadsworth<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote

>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228

>>>> I read this earlier. I like this bit "Cutting food intake, rather than
>>>> exercise alone, is the key to not becoming obese, doctors say".

>>> I think it's possible to eat the same amount of food and do exercise to
>>> lose
>>> weight, you just have to eat *different* food, food with less calories.

>> There was a fuss some while back about a high-protein, low carbohydrate
>> diet, something like steak with salad, and some doctors were saying
>> that it would lead to all manner of problems.

>> So eating fish must surely be unhealthy.

>> There was a fuss long ago about salt intake, with one lone voice
>> pointing out that only 10% of the population were unable to rapidly
>> eliminate excess salt from their bodies.

>> Now there's been a rerun, and now another lone voice says it's 20%.

>> Who funds these 'studies' ?

> Large, influential, multi national drug companies.

Not always. Some of it funded by the national health services in various
western european countrys etc.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <9v0st6...@mid.individual.net>,

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> writes:
> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>>>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US
>>>> lake.
>>>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>>>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the average
>>>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41 years.
>
>>> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?
>
>> I've seen that elsewhere. US height had been increasing at 1" every 25
>> years,
>> for almost 100 years, but over the most recent 25 years, it's shrunk by
>> almost 1".
>
> Was that true of the group that didn't include recent immigrants tho ?

The figures were all race-corrected heights.
Otherwise, they'd be meaningless in the face of migration trends.

[dennis@home]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9v21f4...@mid.individual.net...

TMH is biased.. he thinks large multinationals are trying to stop smokers
smoking.
He thinks they get some financial gain from it and therefore are biased.

I don't see how unless they live longer and need drug treatment for other
illnesses.

The reality being that the pro smoking machine is funded by large
multinationals that do have a financial stake in the outcome.
This passes him by and he still claims its the big multinationals trying to
get him to stop.

The same applies to overeating, why should the multinational drug companies
try to stop people being overweight, if they are fat they need more drugs
not less.

He has it all back to front and can't see it.

[Rod Speed]

Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>>>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US
>>>>> lake.
>>>>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>>>>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the
>>>>> average
>>>>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41
>>>>> years.

>>>> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

>>> I've seen that elsewhere. US height had been increasing at 1" every 25
>>> years,
>>> for almost 100 years, but over the most recent 25 years, it's shrunk by
>>> almost 1".

No evidence for that in
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad347.pdf

>> Was that true of the group that didn't include recent immigrants tho ?

> The figures were all race-corrected heights.

Got a cite ?

> Otherwise, they'd be meaningless in the face of migration trends.

Its far from clear that there has been any shrinkage at all.

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>>>> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>>>>> Saw an interesting program on the capsize of a pleasure boat in a US
>>>>>> lake.
>>>>>> It was certified to take 48 passengers in 1964 when they weighed on
>>>>>> average 140lbs each. In 2005 when it sank with a full load, the
>>>>>> average
>>>>>> American weighed 173lbs, a 24% increase in average weight over 41
>>>>>> years.

>>>>> Wonder how much the average height changed over the same period?

>>>> I've seen that elsewhere. US height had been increasing at 1" every 25
>>>> years,
>>>> for almost 100 years, but over the most recent 25 years, it's shrunk by
>>>> almost 1".

> No evidence for that in
> www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad347.pdf

And in fact even Komlos doesn't claim that either
http://www.nber.org/papers/w14635.pdf

>>> Was that true of the group that didn't include recent immigrants tho ?

>> The figures were all race-corrected heights.

> Got a cite ?

You appear to be quoting media reports of what Komlos
is alleged to have claimed and it turns out that Komlos
doesn't actually have the figures to substantiate that claim.

[Rod Speed]

dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

If he does believe that, he is completely off with the fucking fairys.

> He thinks they get some financial gain from it and therefore are biased.

> I don't see how unless they live longer and need drug treatment for other
> illnesses.

> The reality being that the pro smoking machine is funded by large
> multinationals that do have a financial stake in the outcome.

> This passes him by and he still claims its the big multinationals trying
> to get him to stop.

> The same applies to overeating, why should the multinational drug
> companies try to stop people being overweight, if they are fat they need
> more drugs not less.

True, particularly with diabetes and heart disease.

> He has it all back to front and can't see it.

Looks like it if that is an accurate statement of what he claims.

[Mark]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:41 +0100, The Medway Handyman
<davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[-snip-]

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228

That's a poor article even by the Daily Mail's standards. It's
riddled with fallacies and is obviously written by someone whose mind
is addled by his drug addiction.

--
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(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

[The Medway Handyman]

On 16/04/2012 12:43, Mark wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:41 +0100, The Medway Handyman
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [-snip-]
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17705228
>
> That's a poor article even by the Daily Mail's standards. It's
> riddled with fallacies and is obviously written by someone whose mind
> is addled by his drug addiction.
>

Food is a drug?

[PeterC]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:30:02 GMT, Windmill wrote:

>>Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease...
>
> I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
> effects on one's health.
> Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was best
> for you though.

Any studies of the effects of such beliefs on the life expectancy of
non-believers?
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

[PeterC]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:50:37 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> I'm surprised they have not taxed sex yet.
>
> They have, prostitutes get to pay VAT and income tax, just like everyone
> else.

Shouldn't that be cummin tax for them?

[ARWadsworth]

PeterC wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:30:02 GMT, Windmill wrote:
>
> > > Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease...
> >
> > I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
> > effects on one's health.
> > Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was
> > best for you though.
>
> Any studies of the effects of such beliefs on the life expectancy of
> non-believers?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1479774/The-secret-of-long-life...-go-to-church.html
--
Adam

[ARWadsworth]

Moonraker wrote:
> On 16/04/2012 08:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > I'm surprised they have not taxed sex yet.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> Fine with me Brian, I am too old now! ;-)

No such thing, My Grandad was 90 when he moved in with that 64 year old.

--
Adam

[Adrian]

In message <M2JtI...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>, Windmill
<spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid> writes

>I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
>effects on one's health.
>Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was best
>for you though.
>

I would have thought a more important factor was whether or not God
believed in you.


Adrian
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[Rod Speed]

ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
> PeterC wrote:
>> Windmill wrote

>>> I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
>>> effects on one's health.

>>> Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was
>>> best for you though.

>> Any studies of the effects of such beliefs on the life expectancy of
>> non-believers?

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1479774/The-secret-of-long-life...-go-to-church.html

Usual utterly mindless silly stuff.

The obvious explanation for those stats is that those who arent
going to live much longer cant actually rock up at church every
week because they are so sick etc.

You'd get the same result with those who go shopping in person every week
etc.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <OVUir.237056$y11.1...@fx21.am4>,

The Medway Handyman <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > That's a poor article even by the Daily Mail's standards. It's
> > riddled with fallacies and is obviously written by someone whose mind
> > is addled by his drug addiction.
> >
> Food is a drug?

Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.

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[Tim Watts]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <OVUir.237056$y11.1...@fx21.am4>,
> The Medway Handyman <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> > That's a poor article even by the Daily Mail's standards. It's
>> > riddled with fallacies and is obviously written by someone whose mind
>> > is addled by his drug addiction.
>> >
>> Food is a drug?
>
> Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.
>

There is noone alive who is not addicted to food. Go on, try giving it up -
dare you! ;->>

My oxygen addiction is hard to kick too...
--
Tim Watts

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ejpv59-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,

Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> > Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.
> >

> There is noone alive who is not addicted to food. Go on, try giving it
> up - dare you! ;->>

Hence me saying 'disorder'. You can only get obese by over eating.

> My oxygen addiction is hard to kick too...

Too much oxygen will kill you too.

It's the same with things like alcohol. Moderate use will do you (likely)
no harm. Heavy use causes all sorts of problems. And the same applies to
most 'illegal' recreational drugs.

--
*What hair colour do they put on the driver's license of a bald man? *

[Tim Watts]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <ejpv59-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,
> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>> > Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.
>> >
>
>> There is noone alive who is not addicted to food. Go on, try giving it
>> up - dare you! ;->>
>
> Hence me saying 'disorder'. You can only get obese by over eating.
>
>> My oxygen addiction is hard to kick too...
>
> Too much oxygen will kill you too.
>
> It's the same with things like alcohol. Moderate use will do you (likely)
> no harm. Heavy use causes all sorts of problems. And the same applies to
> most 'illegal' recreational drugs.
>

Indeed - I was being facious (humourously, though many will disagree!)

Water will kill you if you drink too much in too shorter time without other
salt intake - so I'm told...
--
Tim Watts

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <n94069-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,

Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > In article <ejpv59-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,
> > Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> >> > Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.
> >> >
> >
> >> There is noone alive who is not addicted to food. Go on, try giving it
> >> up - dare you! ;->>
> >
> > Hence me saying 'disorder'. You can only get obese by over eating.
> >
> >> My oxygen addiction is hard to kick too...
> >
> > Too much oxygen will kill you too.
> >
> > It's the same with things like alcohol. Moderate use will do you (likely)
> > no harm. Heavy use causes all sorts of problems. And the same applies to
> > most 'illegal' recreational drugs.
> >

> Indeed - I was being facious (humourously, though many will disagree!)

Yes - I guessed that.

> Water will kill you if you drink too much in too shorter time without
> other salt intake - so I'm told...

I was really making the point that just because something is legal and ok
when used correctly doesn't make it safe under all conditions. And that
being illegal doesn't make it automatically lethal.

--
*Forget the Joneses, I keep us up with the Simpsons.

[ARWadsworth]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <n94069-...@squidward.local.dionic.net>,

> And that being illegal doesn't make it automatically lethal.

dennis would disagree if it involves a speed limit
--
Adam

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <jmjptn$qlp$1...@dont-email.me>,

Good. I'll give him the finger as I pass him.

--
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[dennis@home]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5281d5e...@davenoise.co.uk...

> I was really making the point that just because something is legal and ok
> when used correctly doesn't make it safe under all conditions. And that
> being illegal doesn't make it automatically lethal.

Now you have done it, that idiot will be along to claim I said speed limits
are lethal if you exceed them.
Of course that is exactly the opposite of what I said.
I expect that he is brain damaged from nudging too many cars out of the way.

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-04-17, Tim Watts wrote:

> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>> Eating disorders have the same sort of psychology as drug addiction.
>>
>
> There is noone alive who is not addicted to food. Go on, try giving it up -
> dare you! ;->>

"cold turkey"?

[ARWadsworth]

dennis@home wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5281d5e...@davenoise.co.uk...
>
> > I was really making the point that just because something is legal
> > and ok when used correctly doesn't make it safe under all
> > conditions. And that being illegal doesn't make it automatically
> > lethal.
>
> Now you have done it, that idiot will be along to claim I said speed
> limits are lethal if you exceed them.

Why would anyone claim that you said such a thing?

You only said that "anyone travelling faster than the speed limit is going
too fast" to a thread that pointed out speeding is not always dangerous.

And I am not going to claim you are a bell end. I am stating it as a fact.

> Of course that is exactly the opposite of what I said.
> I expect that he is brain damaged from nudging too many cars out of
> the way.

You are a bell end.

--
Adam

[Windmill]

Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes:

>In message <M2JtI...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>, Windmill
><spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid> writes
>>I've seen a few reports which say that a belief in God has positive
>>effects on one's health.
>>Not sure if they did a comparative study to decide which God was best
>>for you though.
>>

>I would have thought a more important factor was whether or not God
>believed in you.

I suppose it would be pretty difficult to establish which God believed
in you and which didn't.

--
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J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

[Jim Newman]

On 15/04/2012 13:04, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> First they came for the Smokers
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not a Smoker
>
> Then they came for the Drinkers
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not a Drinker
>
> Then they came for the Eaters
> And I did not speak out
> Because I was not an Eater
>
> Then they came for me
> And there was no one left
> To speak out for me
>

They're not banning wanking now are they?

[ARWadsworth]

I am last on their list as I beat them to it.

--
Adam