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to@d

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Oct 5, 2002, 2:15:16 PM10/5/02
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just been using Hombase own paint for indoor wood, low solvent stuff. Really
is useless. Leaves brush marks, doesnt cover very well at all. Back to
smelly paint for me, Dulux all the way.

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Mary Fisher

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Oct 5, 2002, 5:01:40 PM10/5/02
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"to@d" <toadoft...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> just been using Hombase own paint for indoor wood, low solvent stuff.
Really
> is useless. Leaves brush marks, doesnt cover very well at all. Back to
> smelly paint for me, Dulux all the way.

Isn't it a shame though, I'd love to use water based paint on environmental
grounds. But I suppose someone will say that it causes just as many, or
more, problems as organic solvent based products.

Mary

Frank Erskine

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Oct 5, 2002, 7:33:41 PM10/5/02
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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "to@d" <toadoft...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:anna7j$g1254$1...@ID-104666.news.dfncis.de...
> > just been using Hombase own paint for indoor wood, low solvent stuff.
> Really
> > is useless. Leaves brush marks, doesnt cover very well at all. Back to
> > smelly paint for me, Dulux all the way.
>
> Isn't it a shame though, I'd love to use water based paint on
environmental
> grounds. But I suppose someone will say that it causes just as many, or
> more, problems as organic solvent based products.
>
> Mary


Isn't water some sort of organic solvent?

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Dave Plowman

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Oct 5, 2002, 8:15:16 PM10/5/02
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In article <annt3u$2fh$1...@anubis.demon.co.uk>,

Huge <hu...@nospam.huge.org.uk> wrote:
> >Isn't water some sort of organic solvent?

> Since it contains no carbon atoms, no.

Well, that's about the only thing London water doesn't contain, then.

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stuart noble

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Oct 6, 2002, 5:48:13 AM10/6/02
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Mary Fisher wrote in message <3d9f53d7$0$253

>Isn't it a shame though, I'd love to use water based paint on environmental
>grounds. But I suppose someone will say that it causes just as many, or
>more, problems as organic solvent based products.
It causes just as many......
Seriously, water based primer/undercoat is very good indeed, but the satin
and gloss aren't. Undercoating is (or should be) 90% of the job so, if you
use oil based just for the final coat, you get the best of both worlds. The
only time I use water based gloss is on exterior woodwork where there is
unlikely to be any wear and tear, like bargeboards etc. It really does stay
white, and you don't see the brushmarks from that distance.


Mary Fisher

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Oct 6, 2002, 6:59:18 AM10/6/02
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"Frank Erskine" <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > Isn't it a shame though, I'd love to use water based paint on
> environmental
> > grounds. But I suppose someone will say that it causes just as many, or
> > more, problems as organic solvent based products.
> >
> > Mary
>
>
> Isn't water some sort of organic solvent?

Water is hydrogen and oxygen. No carbon.

Mary
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Mary Fisher

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Oct 6, 2002, 7:00:28 AM10/6/02
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"stuart noble" <stuart'no...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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What a good idea! Pity Spouse has just finished the bits which can't be
seen.

Not that I'm right bothered about brushmarks ...

Mary
>
>


Old Painless

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Oct 6, 2002, 3:54:50 PM10/6/02
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wish I had known that before the wife painted the staircase.....what a
bloody mess!

will definately be using dulux stuff from now on!

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RichardS

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Oct 6, 2002, 7:58:40 PM10/6/02
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"to@d" <toadoft...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> just been using Hombase own paint for indoor wood, low solvent stuff.
Really
> is useless. Leaves brush marks, doesnt cover very well at all. Back to
> smelly paint for me, Dulux all the way.
>
> to@d


I agree with you about cheap paints - haven't had a good experience with one
yet. However, in some cases I'm sure this is because they have been
tailored for a non-skilled market (e.g. non-drip).

However, there are more good makes out there than Dulux alone, and almost
all of them cheaper.

Leyland and Johnstones are the most readily available, and IMHO are every
bit as good as Dulux Trade for application and finish. IIRC the price was
something like £11 for 2.5l of Johnstone's eggshell as opposed to nearly £20
for the Dulux Trade. That's a lot to pay for a brand name.

Max Bone's lot sell McPhereson's - I'm intending to see how that compares.

Also, don't know where you buy the stuff from, but Homebase is not the place
to go. Pretty much all the decorator's merchants that I have ever been to
have been cheaper than the sheds, by quite a margin in some cases.

cheers

Richard


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stuart noble

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Oct 7, 2002, 3:22:16 AM10/7/02
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RichardS wrote in message <3da0cdaf$0$2387

>I agree with you about cheap paints - haven't had a good experience with
one
>yet.
Water based paints are anything but cheap! The Dulux acrylic primer is twice
the price of the oil based equivalent but the saving in time makes it
worthwhile.


RichardS

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Oct 7, 2002, 7:56:43 AM10/7/02
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"stuart noble" <stuart'no...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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True, but "Cheap" is relative to other products in the same product line -
the OP's subject was "crap cheap paints" - they may have had a different
experience if they had used the equivalent product from a pro/trade line.

Incidentally, although the drying time is a huge advantage, I still dislike
painting with acrylic primers. Can't put my finger on it, but they just
don't flow like the oil based equivalents, they don't seem to dry as flat,
and have a nasty habit of gunging up the top of the brush as you're
painting.

stuart noble

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Oct 7, 2002, 11:01:59 AM10/7/02
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RichardS wrote in message <3da175ee$0$1823

>True, but "Cheap" is relative to other products in the same product line -
>the OP's subject was "crap cheap paints" - they may have had a different
>experience if they had used the equivalent product from a pro/trade line.
Don't think so. It's the nature of the acrylic beast.

>I still dislike
>painting with acrylic primers. Can't put my finger on it, but they just
>don't flow like the oil based equivalents
You've put your finger right on it :-) Cutting in and doing edges next to
carpets etc is difficult.

>and have a nasty habit of gunging up the top of the brush as you're
>painting.
Yep. The stuff at the top of the bristles dries while you're still painting.
Homebase used to sell a brush with acrylic bristles but IIRC the paint stuck
to them just as easily.


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