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Autolycus

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Nov 2, 2000, 5:23:23 AM11/2/00
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Most of the recent discussion has been about paint for old concrete
floors. I'm about to lay around 60m^2 of concrete floor in a
garage/workshop, and the floor paints I've seen suggest several months
curing before painting.

I'm minded to use a cheap alkyd paint as soon as I reasonably can, but
any suggestions of what to do in the meantime? There will be a Range
Rover in there some of the time, so it's no good saying "don't let
anything drip oil".

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Kevin Poole
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Max Bone

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Nov 2, 2000, 7:06:41 AM11/2/00
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In article <aJbM5.2866$1B5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
Autolycus <draycot...@ntlworld.com> writes

The usual rule of thumb is to allow 1 month for every inch of concrete
laid, which usually means around 5-6 months. I wouldn't advise painting
the floor until you have allowed the correct period of time for it to
dry out. I'm sure you could put down some old newspapers underneath the
area the engine will reside. But getting some oil on the floor is really
not a big problem... it would just need cleaning before applying the
floor coating. An example problem is when a garage or workshop decides
that they would like to paint the floor... a floor which is covered in
black 'crud' which has accumulated over years...

Domestic garages don't generally present a problem if they have had a
reasonable level of preparation.

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John Schmitt

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Nov 2, 2000, 8:06:38 AM11/2/00
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In article <aJbM5.2866$1B5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
"Autolycus" <draycot...@ntlworld.com> writes:

>Most of the recent discussion has been about paint for old concrete
>floors. I'm about to lay around 60m^2 of concrete floor in a
>garage/workshop, and the floor paints I've seen suggest several months
>curing before painting.

Drying is a more accurate expression. While slight strength gain continues
after 28 days, the concrete is essentially fully cured. However, if an
impervious covering of any type is installed at this stage, the trapped excess
water in the concrete (or screed for that matter) can cause problems.

John Schmitt


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Autolycus <draycot...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'm minded to use a cheap alkyd paint as soon as I reasonably can, but
> any suggestions of what to do in the meantime? There will be a Range
> Rover in there some of the time, so it's no good saying "don't let
> anything drip oil".

Go down to the local garden centre and buy a couple of large plastic gravel
trays (mine are about 4ft x 2ft), which you can stick under each end to
collect the oil drips.

Colin Bignell


John Schmitt

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Nov 2, 2000, 8:12:30 AM11/2/00
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In article <87fNkBAR...@maxmaxmax.freeserve.co.uk>,
Max Bone <m...@maxmaxmax.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>An example problem is when a garage or workshop decides
>that they would like to paint the floor... a floor which is covered in
>black 'crud' which has accumulated over years...

Quite. At my previous employers we were sent a piece of "failed" screed. and
even before we opened the envelope, we could smell the oil. Under the screes
was 2mm of the crud you describe, so the cause of failure was rather patent. It
seems that a commercial garage added a customer waiting area in one of its
service bays, but without making the slightest effort to clean the floor before
latex screed and carpet went down.

David Simpson

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Nov 2, 2000, 7:26:42 AM11/2/00
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>In article <aJbM5.2866$1B5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
>Autolycus <draycot...@ntlworld.com> writes
>>Most of the recent discussion has been about paint for old concrete
>>floors. I'm about to lay around 60m^2 of concrete floor in a
>>garage/workshop, and the floor paints I've seen suggest several months
>>curing before painting.
>>
>>I'm minded to use a cheap alkyd paint as soon as I reasonably can, but
>>any suggestions of what to do in the meantime? There will be a Range
>>Rover in there some of the time, so it's no good saying "don't let
>>anything drip oil".
>
>The usual rule of thumb is to allow 1 month for every inch of concrete
>laid, which usually means around 5-6 months. I wouldn't advise painting
>the floor until you have allowed the correct period of time for it to
>dry out. I'm sure you could put down some old newspapers underneath the
>area the engine will reside. But getting some oil on the floor is really
>not a big problem... it would just need cleaning before applying the
>floor coating. An example problem is when a garage or workshop decides
>that they would like to paint the floor... a floor which is covered in
>black 'crud' which has accumulated over years...

Most manufacturers will tell you a moisture content rather than a fixed
time for new concrete, less than 4% is the norm, you can get around this
by using water based coatings which are permeable, these are ok at about
14 days if the concrete is surface dry. In the meantime lay something on
the floor to stop the oil getting in.
--
David Simpson

Simon Avery

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Nov 2, 2000, 11:45:30 AM11/2/00
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"Autolycus" <draycot...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Hello Autolycus

A> I'm minded to use a cheap alkyd paint as soon as I
A> reasonably can, but any suggestions of what to do in the
A> meantime? There will be a Range Rover in there some of the
A> time, so it's no good saying "don't let anything drip oil".

Hows about a flat drip-tray placed under the sump or anywhere else
where leaks are known. Fix a couple of battens in front of the front
wheels, or the ol' "tennis ball on a string" and you don't need to
reposition it every time.

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Simon Avery, Devon, UK
http://www.s.avery.btinternet.co.uk/

David Simpson

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Nov 2, 2000, 11:09:46 AM11/2/00
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In article <8trosu$4lb$1...@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>, John Schmitt
<joh...@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> writes

>In article <aJbM5.2866$1B5....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> "Autolycus" <draycot...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>>Most of the recent discussion has been about paint for old concrete
>>floors. I'm about to lay around 60m^2 of concrete floor in a
>>garage/workshop, and the floor paints I've seen suggest several months
>>curing before painting.
>
>Drying is a more accurate expression. While slight strength gain continues
>after 28 days, the concrete is essentially fully cured. However, if an
>impervious covering of any type is installed at this stage, the trapped excess
>water in the concrete (or screed for that matter) can cause problems.
>
>John Schmitt
>
You can use vapour permeable coatings, of course, but in *most*
situations 28 days is sufficient anyway.

--
David Simpson

timegoesby

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Nov 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/5/00
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Max,

Slighly off topic. What is the best floor paint? I believe London
transport use some real good hard wearing paint on some of the floors
of the tube stations. Do have any idea what this is, or where to get it?

thanks

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