Spray painting emulsion
Christian McArdle
therefore, considering spray painting the rooms in my new old house.
Is this a very bad idea? I don't mind spending a load of time with newspaper
and masking tape if it will give me the finish I desire. Is it likely to be
a good idea? What sort of spray gun/compressor will I need. Are the electric
spray guns worth what you pay for them? (i.e. very little).
Christian.
Chris
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IIRC in new houses, the walls/ceiling etc are usually sprayed
As long as you can empty the room completely, and mask you should be OK
Tim Mitchell
McArdle <cmcar...@nospam.yahooxxxx.co.uk> writes
I think emulsion would be too thick to work with a normal air-type spray
gun. The airless sprays chuck the paint out like nobody's business, you
can do a room in about 5 minutes. Cleaning the thing out takes longer.
I was recently in a new school theatre block which was being painted
with black emulsion by a man with an airless spray. He was convinced he
could paint the ceiling without masking the light fittings, and it was
true, we only needed to replace about half of them afterwards. Black
emulsion sticks to fluorescent tubes very well! Meanwhile a light rain
of black specks (dry) fell on the new vinyl floor.
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Tim Mitchell
Laurence Molloy
>
> You need an "airless" spray which you can hire from the usual suspects.
> I think emulsion would be too thick to work with a normal air-type spray
> gun. The airless sprays chuck the paint out like nobody's business, you
> can do a room in about 5 minutes. Cleaning the thing out takes longer.
>
> I was recently in a new school theatre block which was being painted
> with black emulsion by a man with an airless spray. He was convinced he
> could paint the ceiling without masking the light fittings, and it was
> true, we only needed to replace about half of them afterwards. Black
> emulsion sticks to fluorescent tubes very well! Meanwhile a light rain
> of black specks (dry) fell on the new vinyl floor.
I'm now getting rather interested in this idea as I've got 5-6 rooms in
my property that I will have to be redecorated in the next 3-6 months.
I expect to use water-based emulsion on the walls and ceiling and
satinwood on the woodwork and cornices.
I imagine the plan would be as follows:
(1) spray ceiling (water-based emulsion)
(2) clean and change paint to different colour water-based emulsion
(3) spray walls
(4) clean and change paint to satinwood
(5) mask around top and bottom of cornice and spray cornice (satinwood)
(6) mask above skirting and spray skirting (satinwood)
(7) deal with the floor (either carpet or sand and varnish it)
Of course, with 5-6 rooms to do, if they're all stripped and papered
first, I could do all the ceilings, skirtings and cornices in a single
run (as they will all be in white), thus minimising the number of paint
changes (and cleaning sessions) required.
Apart from appropriately covering light fittings and wall/skirting
sockets, doorframes etc... is there a flaw in this plan? - note that I'm
not fussed about paint dust on the floor as I will deal with the floor last.
Also, I wonder if, suitably masked, window-frames can also be repainted
in this manner? (after proper surface preparation)
Having looked around, I've found a cost-effective product and just
wonder if this would be up to the job...
http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=12365
At only £65.99, surely it's just not worth renting one of these as it
will get good use over a period of time and all my friends and family
will probably want to borrow it as well. Besides, if it saves e 1/2 day
per room, that's approximately 3 days labour saving - easily worth
£65.99 in my books!
Any comments?
cheers,
Laurence
Tim Mitchell
<NOB...@NOWHERE.IN.PARTICULAR> writes
>Having looked around, I've found a cost-effective product and just
>wonder if this would be up to the job...
>
>http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=12365
>
<http://www.hss.com/Grid.asp?syspage=wsClass&class=61421&Division=HIRE&Ca
tegory=PAIAIRLESS&sysclearSQL=YES>
Basically a pump unit with a nozzle which sits in the paint tub, with a
hose to the spray head.
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Tim Mitchell
Laurence Molloy
Okay...so maybe my question really is one of "will the item I referenced
be up to the job of spray-painting whole rooms?". i.e. Has anyone
successfully used anything similar to the wagner W300 for the job in hand?
AFAICT, it seems that this is one of the better spray-guns within the
average DIYer's budget - beyond this, the price jumps tenfold to
something like £500+. At this price level, assuming I have all the rooms
ready to paint, it may be worth considering hiring instead of owning.
cheers,
Laurence.
Christian McArdle
>tegory=PAIAIRLESS&sysclearSQL=YES>
>
>Basically a pump unit with a nozzle which sits in the paint tub, with a
>hose to the spray head.
That's a hundred quid a day! That is so outside of my budget. (I'll be
needing it for a lot longer than a day).
What is the advantage of airless spraying over a standard compressor?
Christian.
Laurence Molloy
Of course, if my suggsted product is up to the job, that's £65.99 and
you get to keep it. Question is, *is* it up to a room-sized job?
Laurence.
Christian McArdle
>referenced be up to the job of spray-painting whole rooms?".
>i.e. Has anyone successfully used anything similar to the
>wagner W300 for the job in hand?
A look at the manufacturer's website suggests that you need the W400 to do
emulsion. Even then, they don't seem to recommend it.
Christian.
Christian McArdle
>you get to keep it. Question is, *is* it up to a room-sized job?
I've found that the Earlex HV2000 claims to be able to use emulsion. Some
types don't even need dilution, although Dulux does. It is a fiver more
expensive.
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=090112000&r=2150&g=119
There is also an Earlex HV4000 Spray Station for a ton.
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=090114000&r=2150&g=119
Christian.
Laurence Molloy
Okay - so it looks like the best (non-expensive) tool for the job is an
autofeed paint roller such as this one for £30:
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=090110100&r=2150&g=119
as none of the spray systems seem to be too explicit on how large an
area they are useful for. You are also highly recommended to keep a
constant distance from the spray surface and parallel and keep the
sprayer moving - not likely to happen when constantly going up and down
ladders all the time...unless you have a decent (room sized) horizontal
walkway at height for the tops of walls and the ceilings.
Looks like I'll just have to do all the skirting and cornicing by hand
with a paint brush.
cheers,
Laurence.
Christian McArdle
> with a paint brush.
They seem to suggest that mouldings are a good use of these things. It also
claims to do a garage door in a fraction of the time required by brush or
roller. As the main reason for my wanting a spray is to get rid of
brush/roller marks rather than speed, I think the HV4000 might just do the
job.
>You are also highly recommended to keep a constant distance from the
>spray surface and parallel and keep the sprayer moving
That's just standard practice for spraying paint. To do the upper levels you
need two step ladders and a wide plank between.
Christian.
Laurence Molloy
>>Looks like I'll just have to do all the skirting and cornicing by hand
>>with a paint brush.
>
>
> They seem to suggest that mouldings are a good use of these things. It also
> claims to do a garage door in a fraction of the time required by brush or
> roller.
True enough, but I could only justify the cost if I could do the whole
room with teh spray gun. With only cornice and skirting doable, it's
less of a bargain in my mind.
>
> That's just standard practice for spraying paint. To do the upper levels you
> need two step ladders and a wide plank between.
>
Another reason for me to live with a roller as I don't have that kind of
equipment to hand.
Laurence
Toby
> > That's just standard practice for spraying paint. To do the upper levels
you
> > need two step ladders and a wide plank between.
Spraying is very common in the USA. On new build they will paint five sides
of the cube in one go, usually all matt white.
Sprayer is on a stick, bloke stands 6ft from wall, for edges a guard swivels
up, flow and pivot controls on handle.
From about $300. Never seen one in the UK, wish I'd brought one back home.
Toby.