20 ways to loose money on your house...
John Rumm
Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
what else did they have to say?
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> I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
> Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
>
> Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
> to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
> and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
> what else did they have to say?
See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036
Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".
Barbara
Simon
Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom
sPoNiX
I would have thought it'd depend upon what was there when you bought
the house? For instance, you could move into a house that has reallky
grotty lino, put down cheap laminate and the house value would
increase, surely?
Andy Hall
It would definitely decrease.......
.andy
To email, substitute .nospam with .gl
Andy Hall
>John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
>>I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
>>Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
>
><AOL>
>
>>Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
>>to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
>>and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
>>what else did they have to say?
>
>Yes, did anyone watch it?
>
>(Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
>the Guardian list had laminate floors as a no-no. Quite suprising,
>given their popularity. We hate them ...)
I didn't watch this (I have better things to do), but the list is
unsurprising
- the obvious (such as structural fixing)
- things that were once fashionable and are no longer (artex and
coloured bathroom suites) - wait a few years and they will be back
- old chestnuts like animals which may or may not offend the punter
- yuk things like carpet in the bathroom, laminate floors and pine.
I am dubious as to how many of the minor ones really affect property
value, though. Turn off if there are choices of other properties,
perhaps.....
fred
<sm_ja...@hotmail.com> writes
Don't forget:
Wearing too much makeup
Dying your hair from mouse to fair highlights
Shouting at the camera
Showing waaaay too much flesh
Liberal sprinkling of camp innuendo
etc . . . . . .
Oh sorry that's a list from how to succeed in low budget television, their
next series . . . .
--
fred
Andy Hall
>sm_ja...@hotmail.com (Simon) writes:
>>List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !
>
>[14 lines snipped]
>
>>Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
>
>Bizarre, given that the old owners will take all this away with them.
They are confusing marketing the property with things that really
would reduce value.
Having said that, having too much/too large furniture in a smallish
room makes it look smaller. It's a question of whether buyers can
see past that or not.
The Void
"Simon" <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !
<snippage>
Cool! So my 'woodchip throughout' is ok then!
IMM
>
> Not dealing with structural disasters
> Bad extensions
> Smoking (including smells and dirt)
> Swimming Pools
> Bad taste exteriors
> Artex
On walls?
On ceilings?
> UPVC (especially in period properties)
> Animals
> Bad DIY
> Avocado bathroom suites
> Nightmare neighbours
> Bad layout
> Pine
> Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
> Overgrown gardens
> Fake features
> Dizzy decor
> Cheap laminate flooring
What exactly is cheap? There are some expensive photo laminate floors about
that look good.
Andy Hall
>
>> Cheap laminate flooring
>
>What exactly is cheap? There are some expensive photo laminate floors about
>that look good.
>
Read "any".
use...@isbd.co.uk
>
> - old chestnuts like animals which may or may not offend the punter
>
If you're selling an 'equestrian property' surely it would tend to
come with horses.
--
Chris Green
Tony Bryer
> >Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
>
> them.
A trick used by housebuilders is to furnish a house with small
furniture to make the house look bigger.
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Andy Hall
Exactly. Personally I feel that if people have animals around it
indicates a degree of emotional well being which may well help with
attitude to taking care of a property.
We have, after all, domesticated animals for centuries.
OTOH, (and I guess this is what the program people meant), if you walk
into a house and it smells of cat pee because the owners haven't
trained the cat, that's a turn off and there may be a cost implication
of addressing it.
John Rumm
> Having said that, having too much/too large furniture in a smallish
> room makes it look smaller. It's a question of whether buyers can
> see past that or not.
given the "vision" of many people - probably not ;-(
John Rumm
> I am dubious as to how many of the minor ones really affect property
> value, though. Turn off if there are choices of other properties,
> perhaps.....
As you said in another post - much of this is to do with marketing the
property rather than actaully altering its value as such. Having said
that, as was demonstrated in the million pound property experiment, they
were able to make quite dramtic changes to the sale prices of the places
simply by "dressing" the property to sell.
In reality the only reall value issues they list seem to be:-
Hard / costly to fix:
* Not dealing with structural disasters
* Bad extensions
* Bad layout
Impossible to fix (by acceptable means!)
* Nightmare neighbours
Potentially expensive to fix depending on level:
* UPVC (especially in period properties)
* Bad DIY
* Pine
* Bad taste exteriors
You could include the bathroom suite in there since the colour may be an
indication of it being old enough to want replacing anyway.
The rest seems to be floor / decore / furnishing issues which are easy
enough to resolve.
simulet
>
> See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036
>
> Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".
>
> Barbara
Could not see much from the link above. More on this one
http://money.guardian.co.uk/houseprices/story/0,1456,1266300,00.html
I am very surprised to see laminate flooring is at no. 18!
StealthUK
figures from. Supposedly a badly placed downstair toilet can devalue
your house by 6k!
Maybe Carol Vorderman should join them.
John Smith
> I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
> Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
>
> Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
> to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
> and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
> what else did they have to say?
>
>
>
What a load of bollocks this programme was, all you need is a bit of
common sense not two prancing puffs spouting crap. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.
Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.
John
John Laird
>Like the TV show says; Location, location, location. You can change
>everything else.
Although I didn't see this show, I can imagine how it went (a bit like the
House Doctor, or whatever it was). In many ways, it is the flip side to
"location, location, location". When you are not in a prime location, it is
almost certainly worth following the sort of advice offered, in order to
make your property stand out amongst others. But if your house is in a
sought-after area, it may not be worth the effort. When we saw our/my
current home, it had the works: dogs, a cat, carpet in the kitchen, foul 70s
units, unspeakable patterned carpets, freshly-painted walls (freshly-painted
embossed wallpaper in colours like shit brown and lime green, that is),
dodgy electrics, close to zero water pressure, leaky rads, a lemon yellow
bathroom suite, yadda yadda. Garden was tidy, though. None of this
mattered, because it was in the right road and had potential. In the depths
of the post-90 slump, there were 3 parties in the bidding.
Sad to say it might now struggle to sell as easily as some others as I have
avoided bespoiling it with upvc windows (almost certainly contravening
conservation orders, but they seem to be enforced with the strength of a
soggy lettuce leaf) and laminated flooring. The masses are truly dumb.
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Bar...@davis38.freeserve.co.uk
Thanks. Yes, me too: really the only surprise in that list. Given that I'm
planning refurbishment, and likely to sell in couple of years, it's worth
knowing.
But I wonder just how much that particular item depends on the target
market? I can see it still being attractive to many young professionals.
Barbara
G&M
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>
> See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036
>
> Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".
>
> Barbara
Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?
G&M
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> (Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
> the Guardian list had laminate floors as a no-no.
Well if you can't have carpet in the bathroom, and can't have wood, what are
you supposed to have if you don't like cold tiles and regard vinyl as a
modern version of lino.
G&M
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>. Before anybody gets
> all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
> talking about.
Not as prancing as this pair I hope. The quiet one is ok but Justin brings
out the Texan I didn't know was in me.
N. Thornton
> What a load of bollocks this programme was, all you need is a bit of
> Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
> your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.
Yes I agree, having experienced some of these issues and had
professional valuations that returned a fraction of the price
adjustments they mentioned.
But its TV... the more they talk shit the more attention they get. Its
how tv works. If they quoted a more realistic 20% of those figures we
wouldnt be talking about it so much.
The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.
Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.
Regards, NT
John Laird
Laminate floors != wood. Why not real wood in a bathroom - it'd look very
nice if suitably finished to protect it. Chuck a couple of nice rugs down
to walk on in your bare feet and bob's your uncle.
--
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Arthur
Leaving out
stone cladding
swimming pools (I'm sure that 99% of viewers were discussing that for hours
after the prog ended)
Such properties that have many of the other 18 'features' are often 10-15%
below market price. All of these problems can be erased for the outlay of a
few hundred.
I would be tempted to target these properties to buy a place for 10-20% less
than its worth.
Arthur
"Simon" <sm_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !
>
> Not dealing with structural disasters
> Bad extensions
> Smoking (including smells and dirt)
> Swimming Pools
> Bad taste exteriors
> Artex
> UPVC (especially in period properties)
> Animals
> Bad DIY
> Avocado bathroom suites
> Nightmare neighbours
> Bad layout
> Pine
> Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
> Overgrown gardens
> Fake features
> Dizzy decor
> Cheap laminate flooring
Andy Hall
wrote:
>
Stone or ceramic tiles? These can easily be warmed.
G&M
"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
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Can't stand them ! Reminds me of school showers. We have a fitted carpet
which we replace every now and then but why people find this such a no-no is
beyond me.
And in any case when you are buying a house, furniture is removed so
shouldn't affect the price, and carpets can be. Really can't see why one
has to fit what you think others *might* like just to get a sale.
Arthur
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Pine?!!?
I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.
And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3 years
or so, ducky :)
Arthur.
Andy Hall
wrote:
>
>"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:37:20 +0100, "G&M" <m1111b...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Huge" <hu...@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:ce2ipg$58d$1...@anubis.demon.co.uk...
>> >> (Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
>> >> the Guardian list had laminate floors as a no-no.
>> >
>> >Well if you can't have carpet in the bathroom, and can't have wood, what
>are
>> >you supposed to have if you don't like cold tiles and regard vinyl as a
>> >modern version of lino.
>> >
>> Stone or ceramic tiles? These can easily be warmed.
>
>
>Can't stand them ! Reminds me of school showers.
Depends on what you choose.
>We have a fitted carpet
>which we replace every now and then but why people find this such a no-no is
>beyond me.
Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
Europe that does it.
>
>And in any case when you are buying a house, furniture is removed so
>shouldn't affect the price, and carpets can be. Really can't see why one
>has to fit what you think others *might* like just to get a sale.
>
That's certainly true....
PoP
wrote:
>OTOH, (and I guess this is what the program people meant), if you walk
>into a house and it smells of cat pee because the owners haven't
>trained the cat, that's a turn off and there may be a cost implication
>of addressing it.
Even worse might be if you viewed a house and it smelled of pee, and
they don't have a cat..... ;)
Andrew
IMM
"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
> On 26 Jul 2004 09:44:25 GMT, hu...@ukmisc.org.uk (Huge) wrote:
>
> >sm_ja...@hotmail.com (Simon) writes:
> >>List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !
> >
> >
> >>Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
> >
>
> would reduce value.
>
> Having said that, having too much/too large furniture in a smallish
> room makes it look smaller. It's a question of whether buyers can
> see past that or not.
Most can't as the property progs clearly indicate.
IMM
"Arthur" <tall...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> The REAL bottom line is.
>
> Leaving out
> stone cladding
Stone cladding on a detached house can look really god and give kerb appeal.
Having it on a semi or terraced is the pits.
Andy Hall
I'm not sure that I would take the abilities of people on TV, either
as presenters or as audience as indicative of the populace as a whole.
Having said that, on the very rare occasion when I visit a town centre
(any town centre) on a Saturday, I am reminded that it probably is.
Victoria Clare
$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
> Potentially expensive to fix depending on level:
>
> * UPVC (especially in period properties)
My in-laws recently rejected a house from consideration for "not having
UPVC soffit boards".
I know, I know, but what can you say ?
Victoria
raden
Bar...@davis38.freeserve.co.uk writes
>"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote
>
>> I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
>> Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
>>
>> Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
>> to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
>> and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
>> what else did they have to say?
>
>
Lucky I wasn't drinking coffee at the time, the monitor survives another
day
How did these two ever get on the TV ?
No don't answer that
--
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raden
writes
>John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
>>I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
>>Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).
>
>
>>Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
>>to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
>>and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
>>what else did they have to say?
>
>
>(Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
>given their popularity. We hate them ...)
>
No mention of hot and cold taps the wrong way around then ?
--
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--
geoff
John Rumm
> My in-laws recently rejected a house from consideration for "not having
> UPVC soffit boards".
>
> I know, I know, but what can you say ?
I think uPVC facias / soffits seem to be one of those things that for
some are a real turn off, and others a "must have" feature.
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>>Leaving out
>>stone cladding
>
>
> Stone cladding on a detached house can look really god and give kerb appeal.
> Having it on a semi or terraced is the pits.
In very select circumstances perhaps....
In an area where the local architecture tends to be build from local
stone (e.g. parts of Somerset like Bath), and you wish to make something
built from celcon blocks look more "fitting", stone cladding could be
the answer. It is also very common in places Like Lewes in E. Sussex.
Most of the original buildings there were tiled so as to look like they
were built from masonry. IIRC they are mostly timber frame or a
particularly unattractive local brick underneath.
Toby
>>> Leaving out
>>> stone cladding
>
> In very select circumstances perhaps....
>
> In an area where the local architecture tends to be build from local
> stone (e.g. parts of Somerset like Bath), and you wish to make
> something built from celcon blocks look more "fitting", stone
> cladding could be the answer.
Ah yes, in fact the facade of Buckingham Palace was re-clad in Portland
stone nearly a century ago.
--
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'One day son, all this will be finished'
Al Reynolds
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My wife and I are "young professionals" and we can't stand the stuff.
Al
Andy Hall
I don't think that it's targetted at young professionals - or old ones
for that matter.......
N. Thornton
> > The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
> > continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
> > keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
> > certainly do.
> >
> > Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
> > increased value, and I agree.
> Pine?!!?
>
> I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.
>
> And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3 years
> or so, ducky :)
Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?
Regards, NT
N. Thornton
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:53:37 +0100, "G&M" <m1111b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >We have a fitted carpet
> >which we replace every now and then but why people find this such a no-no is
> >beyond me.
> Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
> not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
> Europe that does it.
This is just a myth. Fact is carpets do fine in such environments, as
long as its a suitable carpet. Obviously one needs to clean the
carpet, just as you would with any floor surface, to keep it nice and
hygienic. And they feel far nicer underfoot that icky vinyl/lino.
The 2 places carpets make most difference is bedroom and bathroom,
becuse thats where you have bare feet.
The fear of bathroom carpets comes from the odd case of someone
fitting it and never cleaning it. Disgusting. The fear spreads by
association rather than reason, and failure to realise the stunningly
obvious fact that you need to keep it clean just like any other floor.
> >And in any case when you are buying a house, furniture is removed so
> >shouldn't affect the price, and carpets can be. Really can't see why one
> >has to fit what you think others *might* like just to get a sale.
The inability of many buyers to think. Why else?
Regards, NT
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)
<URL:mailto:m1111b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
> allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?
a) They are lefties
b) They are fairies.
Nuff said?
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Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)
<URL:mailto:an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
> Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
> not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
> Europe that does it.
*Bathroom* carpet is designed for the purpose. At the typical size of a
bathroom, the carpet could be replaced every 12 months. I put £20 worth of
B&Q special down 2 years ago and it's still as bright and fresh as when it
went down, despite condensation drips of the cistern etc.
I can understand the aversion to convention hessian or foam back mind you,
especially if the owners have the inaccurate amongst them. :-)
Timothy Murphy
Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
Does it just mean the colour,
or is this a particular kind of bath?
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Tony Bryer
> Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
> Does it just mean the colour,
> or is this a particular kind of bath?
Any colour except white. My dark brown bath and basin will have to go
before I move.
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IMM
"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <ce3mhi$mh8$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, G&M
> <URL:mailto:m1111b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
> > allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?
>
> a) They are lefties
How do you know?
IMM
> In article <ib0bg0tor8409i3g0...@4ax.com>, Andy Hall
> <URL:mailto:an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
>
> > Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
> > not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
> > Europe that does it.
>
> *Bathroom* carpet is designed for the purpose. At the typical size of a
> B&Q special down 2 years ago and it's still as bright and fresh as when it
> went down, despite condensation drips of the cistern etc.
>
> I can understand the aversion to convention hessian or foam back mind you,
> especially if the owners have the inaccurate amongst them. :-)
Carpet in a bathroom or kitchen is ridiculous. No one half sane would do
it.
Grunff
> Can't be. We don't like it, either.
Ahem... Well, we do. We installed our first lot in our first house about
7 - 8 years ago, when it was still a pretty new thing. We loved having a
nice wipe-clean surface all over the floor, with no gaps in it. Back
then, Pergo was the only decent make around.
We've only done one room in laminate in this house, and that's the TV
room/library. We like it lots. It's nice. ;-)
--
Grunff
Owain
| Such properties that have many of the other 18 'features' are often
| 10-15% below market price. All of these problems can be erased for
| the outlay of a few hundred.
| I would be tempted to target these properties to buy a place for
| 10-20% less than its worth.
And then do it up and sell it on? I think we know a television programme
about that don't we boys and girls.
Although ISTR La Beenie being pro laminate flooring as looking good cheap
and quick?
Owain
Owain
| Ah yes, in fact the facade of Buckingham Palace was re-clad in
| Portland stone nearly a century ago.
It's a good thing they didn't have conservation officers in those days. Or
perhaps they did, but they got beheaded if they spoke out of turn.
Owain
IMM
"Grunff" <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote in message
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It is also very good for doing the tango on.
Grunff
> It is also very good for doing the tango on.
Erm, right...
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Grunff
G&M
"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
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> Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
> not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
> Europe that does it.
Spain and Russia spring to mind, albeit based on hotels, not homes.
In any case a good waterproofed carpet is not going to retain water no
matter how damp the bathroom. And if you are getting that much moisture on
the floor perhaps preventing the cause might be a good move.
G&M
> In article <ce3mhi$mh8$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, G&M
> <URL:mailto:m1111b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
> > allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?
>
> a) They are lefties
>
> b) They are fairies.
>
> Nuff said?
Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!
S Viemeister
> The ground floor of our house is parquet. We covered the cold,
> uncomfortable, noisy, dusty stuff up with carpet. We like it lots. It's
> nice. ;-)
>
The previous owners of our first house, had covered a beautiful oak parquet
floor with _two_ layers of ugly shag carpet.
We got rid of the nasty, dust-holding stuff, and restored the parquet.
We like it lots. It's nice. :) :)
Sheila
tony sayer
<m1111b...@yahoo.com> writes
Where's here?...
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Tony Sayer
Grunff
> The ground floor of our house is parquet. We covered the cold,
> uncomfortable, noisy, dusty stuff up with carpet. We like it lots. It's
> nice. ;-)
I do like the way carpet feels, but I really don't like the way it
behaves when it comes into contact with dirt ;-)
We've gone for carpet in the bedrooms, landing and stairs. But no carpet
anywhere else. It's nice.
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Grunff
Grunff
> You mean "We like it lots-lots-lots-lot-lot-lo-lo-l-l..."
ROFL!
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Grunff
Andy Hall
>Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> writes:
>>On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:13:41 +0100, "Al Reynolds"
>><ajr-...@bat400.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><Bar...@davis38.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
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>
>>>My wife and I are "young professionals" and we can't stand the stuff.
>>>Al
>>>
>>
>>I don't think that it's targetted at young professionals - or old ones
>>for that matter.......
>
>Can't be. We don't like it, either.
That's what I meant.
Andy Hall
Don't you find that your stillettos dig in?
Andy Hall
>Tony Bryer <to...@delme.sda.co.uk> writes:
>>In article <NIsNc.5610$Z14....@news.indigo.ie>, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>> Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
>>> Does it just mean the colour,
>>> or is this a particular kind of bath?
>>
>>Any colour except white.
>
>The one I just tore out was "cranberry".
>
>The one in the en-suite (7 years gone) was "avacado". (I got £50 for
>it, too!)
>
>Both replaced with white.
>
>If you want a coloured bathroom, paint the walls!
Here's my prediction. In five years time, people will be ripping out
white bathroom ware because the fashion pundits, lefties and fairies
say that it is too cold and sterile.
Andy Hall
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>In article <ib0bg0tor8409i3g0...@4ax.com>, Andy Hall
><URL:mailto:an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
>
>> Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
>> not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
>> Europe that does it.
>
>*Bathroom* carpet is designed for the purpose. At the typical size of a
>bathroom, the carpet could be replaced every 12 months. I put £20 worth of
>B&Q special down 2 years ago and it's still as bright and fresh as when it
>went down, despite condensation drips of the cistern etc.
>
>I can understand the aversion to convention hessian or foam back mind you,
>especially if the owners have the inaccurate amongst them. :-)
Each to his own, I suppose. The idea of carpet in a bathroom gives
me the willies.
Andy Hall
wrote:
I've been to numerous hotels in Spain and none had carpet in the
bathroom - more typically stone of some kind. These were good
business hotels....
John Laird
Well, that's a big point in your favour. No laminate flooring upstairs. In
a modern cheapy box with 7'6" ceilings and bugger-all sound insulation, it's
like having the 8th Army doing drill practice above your head...
If I didn't have carpet in my living rooms, however, I wouldn't be happy
with much less than decent hardwood. It beggars belief that people will
spend half a year's wages on a tin box that depreciates from day one and
skimp on the trimmings in their much much more valuable asset that they live
in.
--
Money doesn't come easy - that's the way it goes!
Mail john rather than nospam...
Grunff
> If I didn't have carpet in my living rooms, however, I wouldn't be happy
> with much less than decent hardwood.
I don't view laminate as being 'less' than hardwood in any way. We
didn't use it because it's cheaper - the laminate we used is only
slightly cheaper than reasonable hardwood. We used it because it has a
different set of properties, which we felt desireable in that room.
The main one is lack of gaps. It is totally, completely and permanently
(until the end of its life, which I expect will be around 15 years) gap
free. It presents a smooth, very easy to clean surface. Try spilling a
glass of wine on <insert real wood of your choice>. I bet my laminate
cleans up faster than your wood!
In addition it gives the room a nice sound - much less dead than carpet
would. Since this room is used mostly for DVD watching and listening to
music, this works well.
We are about to lay an oak floor in another room, because that room will
be used in a different way, and hardwood is more appropriate.
> It beggars belief that people will
> spend half a year's wages on a tin box that depreciates from day one and
> skimp on the trimmings in their much much more valuable asset that they live
> in.
I couldn't agree more, and can assure you that this is one thing I'm not
guilty of. We've spent approximately 200x on the house so far than we
have on both our cars!
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Grunff
Grunff
> Ahh, you see, we have this miraculous machine called a "vacuum cleaner". I
> can strongly recommend them
Hmmm... do you have cats? Do they like mud?
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Grunff
John Laird
>John Laird wrote:
>
>> If I didn't have carpet in my living rooms, however, I wouldn't be happy
>> with much less than decent hardwood.
>
>I don't view laminate as being 'less' than hardwood in any way. We
>didn't use it because it's cheaper - the laminate we used is only
>slightly cheaper than reasonable hardwood. We used it because it has a
>different set of properties, which we felt desireable in that room.
>
>The main one is lack of gaps. It is totally, completely and permanently
>(until the end of its life, which I expect will be around 15 years) gap
>free. It presents a smooth, very easy to clean surface. Try spilling a
>glass of wine on <insert real wood of your choice>. I bet my laminate
>cleans up faster than your wood!
I won't argue with your thinking - at least you are clearly thinking. It
seems to me the modern obsession with laminate flooring is often just that,
an obsession. Like decking, which I now believe is "out" again. In my
home, any form of rigid flooring on top of, or even in place of, the
floorboards would leave gaps that draughts would howl through. The house is
90+ years old and nothing is sealed, things that should meet, don't. I also
remain deeply unimpressed with the thermal instability of laminates - I do
not want to either lift skirting (which will destroy the wall in the
process) or fit additional beading. But that's just my preference.
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Dave Plowman (News)
Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
> Here's my prediction. In five years time, people will be ripping out
> white bathroom ware because the fashion pundits, lefties and fairies
> say that it is too cold and sterile.
Same with cars. Once, white was popular, and the police started using it
to help resale values. Now the Met use silver cars - so that's the next
yesterday's colour...
Personally, I'd prefer a quality coloured suite - provided it's not
avocado, pink or dark blue, to a cheap new white deal from B&Q that bends
wherever you touch it.
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*Modulation in all things *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Dave Plowman (News)
Huge <hu...@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote:
> (I *like* carpet in bathrooms. But if you don't, how long does it take
> to wrench it up and get a nice man from John Lewis to come and lay
> Amtico?)
I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a habit
of peeing on the floor, but a good quality carpet will survive water
splashes as well as many a laminate floor.
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*Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view
Grunff
> I won't argue with your thinking - at least you are clearly thinking. It
> seems to me the modern obsession with laminate flooring is often just that,
> an obsession.
As I mentioned before, we fitted our first lot of laminate before it had
become a popular product. We liked it lots. We still like it, and will
continue to do so even when it becomes unfashinable.
> Like decking, which I now believe is "out" again. In my
> home, any form of rigid flooring on top of, or even in place of, the
> floorboards would leave gaps that draughts would howl through. The house is
> 90+ years old and nothing is sealed, things that should meet, don't. I also
> remain deeply unimpressed with the thermal instability of laminates - I do
> not want to either lift skirting (which will destroy the wall in the
> process) or fit additional beading.
We were redoing all the woodwork anyway, so new skirting was easy.
> But that's just my preference.
And that's what it's all about :-)
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Grunff
Arthur
White skirtings and other internal paintwork have remained popular for long
enough, to my despair.
Arthur
Dave Plowman (News)
Grunff <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote:
> In addition it gives the room a nice sound - much less dead than carpet
> would. Since this room is used mostly for DVD watching and listening to
> music, this works well.
This is one of the main reasons why I dislike it. You can't get decent
stereo imaging in a room that is too lively - indeed the more 'dead' it is
the better the image will be. And music tends to be balanced with adequate
accoustic (reverb) without more being added due to the room. (A good
control room will approximate in reverb time to the average living room -
but one fairly well stuffed with heavy furnishings.)
So the only practical way to get a domestic room half decent acoustically
is with a thick fitted carpet and thick drapes for the windows.
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*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.
raden
<abus...@easy.com> writes
And just when you were beginning to make sense
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geoff
Grunff
> This is one of the main reasons why I dislike it. You can't get decent
> stereo imaging in a room that is too lively - indeed the more 'dead' it is
> the better the image will be. And music tends to be balanced with adequate
> accoustic (reverb) without more being added due to the room. (A good
> control room will approximate in reverb time to the average living room -
> but one fairly well stuffed with heavy furnishings.)
>
> So the only practical way to get a domestic room half decent acoustically
> is with a thick fitted carpet and thick drapes for the windows.
Dave, I think we both know I'm not about to agrue with you on this
subject :-) All I can say is that I prefer the way music and films sound
with a hard floor. Brighter? I think that's the word...
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Grunff
Lurch
strung together this:
>Where's here?...
Over there, unless you're here...
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SJW
A.C.S. Ltd
Dave Plowman (News)
Grunff <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote:
> Dave, I think we both know I'm not about to agrue with you on this
> subject :-) All I can say is that I prefer the way music and films sound
> with a hard floor. Brighter? I think that's the word...
Yup - I can understand that, as it's down to preference. But if you listen
critically to music with yourself and the speakers in decent positions,
the stereo will be far better in a 'dead' room. Indeed, many surround
systems will put a slight delay on the surround channel to simulate a
larger room.
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*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?
Arthur
"N. Thornton" <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Arthur" <tall...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> > "N. Thornton" <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:a7076635.0407...@posting.google.com...
>
> > > The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
> > > continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
> > > keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
> > > certainly do.
> > >
> > > Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
> > > increased value, and I agree.
>
>
> > Pine?!!?
> >
> > I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.
> >
> > And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3
years
> > or so, ducky :)
>
>
> Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?
>
> Regards, NT
I was told you have a humorous walk.
Arthur
G&M
"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> > Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station
to
> >> > allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem
?
> >>
> >> a) They are lefties
> >>
> >> b) They are fairies.
> >>
> >> Nuff said?
> >
> >
> >Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!
>
>
> Where's here?...
The Peak District
G&M
Ah - you need a LOUD POWERFUL vacuum cleaner. One attempt to suck moggy up
and it never comes in the room again.
G&M
> > It beggars belief that people will
> > spend half a year's wages on a tin box that depreciates from day one and
> > skimp on the trimmings in their much much more valuable asset that they
live
> > in.
>
> I couldn't agree more, and can assure you that this is one thing I'm not
> guilty of. We've spent approximately 200x on the house so far than we
> have on both our cars!
So the car is worth less than the tools in it ?
BTW, have you killed your PPP hammer drill yet ?
G&M
"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> *Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.
Are these automatically generated or where you thinking of IMM when you
wrote this one ?
G&M
>
> Personally, I'd prefer a quality coloured suite - provided it's not
> avocado, pink or dark blue, to a cheap new white deal from B&Q that bends
> wherever you touch it.
>
We both hate white suites. Last house had champagne which was a standard
colour from everybody but now appears to be an obsolete colour.
Instead pergamon or similar is offered by some manufacturers. But each
company's version is different and as we want an Airbath and they don't make
toilets we've had to choose those on the best match we can get, not the
style we would like.
G&M
"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
Carlton in Madrid. Surprised me as most hotels are tiled of course.
Also remembered there was one in Verona, 5* one down the road from Juliet's
balcony.
Carpet was a deep claret. And of course guess who discovered that Italian
baths don't always have overflows after a long phone call. Every towel went
back to housekeeping with a pink tinge.
G&M
> In article <ce2o35$58d$8...@anubis.demon.co.uk>,
> Huge <hu...@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote:
> > (I *like* carpet in bathrooms. But if you don't, how long does it take
> > to wrench it up and get a nice man from John Lewis to come and lay
> > Amtico?)
>
> I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a habit
> of peeing on the floor,
Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with bad
aims.