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AK

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Mar 23, 2004, 5:28:24 AM3/23/04
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I don't know if this is a common problem around the country but I am
starting to get very frustrated about not being able to get work done
because the work is deemed to be too small. I live in East Sussex
(Eastbourne) and I have tried to get the pros out to do jobs but when they
come to quote (if they bother to turn up for the appointment) they take one
look and say that it's not worth their while to do such a small job. Let me
explain.

The first job is very small, I have a new programable thermostat and would
like to get someone to fit it, but everyone I have called have just said no.
I am a feeble woman and although this is a small job this is one thing I
wont have a go at as it involves electricity!

The second is (much) bigger. I want to have a dishwasher fitted in my
kitchen ( a brand new house and no dishwasher - unbelievable). This will
involve removing a display cupboard, putting in a new end panel and doing
the plumbing and electrics (not too difficult as it will sit next to the
washing machine), at the same time I will have to have all the worksurface
replaced as it will need extending over the dishwasher and I will take the
oportunity to have a new one as I don't like the one that is there. In
total it's about 9 meters of worksurface. I have had 3 people around and
all wouldn't quote saying the job was too small.

What do I do now? Is there anybody in East Sussex that is willing to take
on these jobs? or am I destined to just dream of what might have been!!

Angela


tarquinlinbin

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Mar 23, 2004, 5:43:30 AM3/23/04
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:28:24 -0000, "AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote:

Snipped woes of elusive tradesmen
>
>Angela
>
I sympathise Angela. I am a tradesman myself. Sounds a bit of an old
fashioned term these days doesnt it?. Prevokes images of chaps in blue
bib n brace overalls,perhaps a flat cap and an old leather toolbag.

The tradesman famine in this country is the fault of both the
Government,population and industry.

Lots of people dont value tradesmen. They think they are
ignorant,incompetent and untrustworthy and also that they should sell
their skills cheaply.

These attitudes have been all pervasive for years so that we no longer
have school leavers who want to be tradesmen. They see it as being too
low,having no status.

In turn the government and industry pay lip service to the crisis.
They set up half arsed registration and training organisations which
are merely vehicles for rubberstamping mediocrity.

Thats why the good quality,honest tradesman is an endangered species
and thats why you cant get anyone to do jobs. I have the same problem.
I sought out a skilled joiner to replace 9 doors in my house. I'd say
the job was worth well over £1000. Could i get someone? no i couldnt.
I'll have to do it myself.

Joe (le gasman)

PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 8:20:53 AM3/23/04
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It's a problem all over. I'm in the NW and same here. Shortage of trades
means that people who are able to do the jobs can pick and choose.

As for there being no dishwasher in your brand new house... I have just
built mine and I purposly didn't have one either. I find them too slow and
for the amount of time I'd use it it's not worth having. I guess those with
a large family or those who entertain a lot though would appreciate one.
Personally I'd rather have a compacter in the space a dishwasher takes up.


PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 8:22:44 AM3/23/04
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> The tradesman famine in this country is the fault of both the
> Government,population and industry.
>
> Lots of people dont value tradesmen. They think they are
> ignorant,incompetent and untrustworthy and also that they should sell
> their skills cheaply.
>
> These attitudes have been all pervasive for years so that we no longer
> have school leavers who want to be tradesmen. They see it as being too
> low,having no status.
>
> In turn the government and industry pay lip service to the crisis.
> They set up half arsed registration and training organisations which
> are merely vehicles for rubberstamping mediocrity.
>
> Thats why the good quality,honest tradesman is an endangered species
> and thats why you cant get anyone to do jobs.

I'd agree with that too.


Stuart

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Mar 23, 2004, 9:30:11 AM3/23/04
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"PJ" <p...@hotiymeell.nohanks.org.uk.me.etc.com> wrote in message
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I would have thought doing ones own dishes by hand is taking the DIY ethic
to extremes!!


Stuart

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Mar 23, 2004, 9:36:44 AM3/23/04
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Unfortunately you are in a catch 22 situation, any body any good won't do a
small job because a to charge properly for the job would seem to be a rip
off, and any decent tradesman would not want to be associated with ripping
you off., Therefor anybody you may find willing to do the job is probably a
cowboy, do the job badly and charge you a fortune,

Good Luck

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PoP

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Mar 23, 2004, 11:25:30 AM3/23/04
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:36:44 -0000, "Stuart" <hw...@jqwwe.cbs> wrote:

>Unfortunately you are in a catch 22 situation, any body any good won't do a
>small job because a to charge properly for the job would seem to be a rip
>off, and any decent tradesman would not want to be associated with ripping
>you off., Therefor anybody you may find willing to do the job is probably a
>cowboy, do the job badly and charge you a fortune,

Thanks a bunch for the recommendation!

These are the sorts of jobs that I take on with willingness, and I
hope I'm not perceived to be a cowboy (judging by the number of
referrals and repeat business I get I would be surprised if that were
the case). Truth is I've got too much work - and I turn down more than
I take on.

I don't actually like taking on the bigger jobs it has to be said, I
prefer to go in, do a job, and leave with it completed the same day.
Anything from hanging a mirror to boarding a loft is fine by me. I
have taken on bigger jobs (e.g. refitting a complete bathroom), but by
the end of day two I'm already bored and wishing for it being complete
so that I can do something else.

My career aspirations are over forever, no more greasy pole climbing
for me. Earning potential is much lower than it was in my earlier
life, but what the hell - so long as I can scrape enough together to
put food on the table for my family I'm content. And I am a lot, lot
happier with life these days by moving myself out of the stress race.

The other thing about taking on this sort of work is that customers
tend to be much happier. You've been called in to do something they
either can't or don't want to do, so when it's done it's pretty much
always a positive parting of the ways - until next time.

But East Sussex is a bit out of territory :(

PoP

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AK

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Mar 23, 2004, 12:30:59 PM3/23/04
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"PoP" <p...@anyoldtripe.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The other thing about taking on this sort of work is that customers
> tend to be much happier. You've been called in to do something they
> either can't or don't want to do, so when it's done it's pretty much
> always a positive parting of the ways - until next time.
>
> But East Sussex is a bit out of territory :(
>
> PoP

It's lovely in summer - are you sure??????


Michael McNeil

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Mar 23, 2004, 12:47:43 PM3/23/04
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"tarquinlinbin" <fle...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> Thats why the good quality, honest tradesman is an endangered species
> and that's why you can't get anyone to do jobs. I have the same problem.


> I sought out a skilled joiner to replace 9 doors in my house. I'd say

> the job was worth well over £1000. Could I get someone? no I couldn't.


> I'll have to do it myself.

Bloody hell! A thousand quid?

Gimme. Where do you live?


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tony sayer

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Mar 23, 2004, 1:13:48 PM3/23/04
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In article <73afed73155116c75ad...@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Michael McNeil <weathe...@hotmail.com> writes

>"tarquinlinbin" <fle...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:js4060160gluouhqu...@4ax.com
>
>> Thats why the good quality, honest tradesman is an endangered species
>> and that's why you can't get anyone to do jobs. I have the same problem.
>> I sought out a skilled joiner to replace 9 doors in my house. I'd say
>> the job was worth well over £1000. Could I get someone? no I couldn't.
>> I'll have to do it myself.
>
>Bloody hell! A thousand quid?
>
>Gimme. Where do you live?
>
>

My bro in law sez that bricklayers on the estate at Cambourn near
Cambridge are knocking up over a grand a week for their basic wage!....
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tony sayer

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Mar 23, 2004, 1:14:45 PM3/23/04
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In article <EradnacZbqh...@brightview.com>, Stuart
<hw...@jqwwe.cbs> writes

Its deemed grounds for divorce if ours packs up, and theres only 4 of
us!....
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PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 1:46:04 PM3/23/04
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> My bro in law sez that bricklayers on the estate at Cambourn near
> Cambridge are knocking up over a grand a week for their basic wage!....

A grand a week?!!!! Is that all??!!

In Liverpool some are being paid £550 per thousand bricks laid and some
laying 4000 a week!


PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 1:46:50 PM3/23/04
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> Its deemed grounds for divorce if ours packs up, and theres only 4 of
> us!....

I still say they're a waste of time and space.


dave @ stejonda

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Mar 23, 2004, 2:11:28 PM3/23/04
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In message <c3q0mq$a4k$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, PJ
<p...@hotiymeell.nohanks.org.uk.me.etc.com> writes

>
>> Its deemed grounds for divorce if ours packs up, and theres only 4 of
>> us!....
>
>I still say they're a waste of time and space.
>
I said that - until we got one

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jacob

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Mar 23, 2004, 3:17:31 PM3/23/04
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"Stuart" <hw...@jqwwe.cbs> wrote in message news:<KtednZVseOD...@brightview.com>...

> Unfortunately you are in a catch 22 situation, any body any good won't do a
> small job because a to charge properly for the job would seem to be a rip
> off, and any decent tradesman would not want to be associated with ripping
> you off., Therefor anybody you may find willing to do the job is probably a
> cowboy, do the job badly and charge you a fortune,
>
Yes I agree. Youv'e got to stop what you were doing, go and look at
the job, go back to get what you need, pack your van, perhaps go
shopping for bits and bobs, put down a dust sheet or two, tidy up
afterwards, go home and unpack your gear (you always must take a good
collection of kit or you are bound to need something you left behind)
and then start again where you left off . This can amount to best
part of a days work even if the job itself takes only half an hour. So
you either charge properly for it: £100 - £200 more? or you do it for
peanuts.
That's why it's often a good idea if poss to use the manufacturers own
service engineers even at an apparently high fixed charge - because
they should turn up with everything necessary - spare parts and all
specialised tools etc, and do the job in no time at all.
Many clients are earning much more than the average self-employed
tradesman, and also getting paid holidays, annual increments, car
allowances or works car, pensions, sick pay, redundancy payments etc
etc. A self employed tradesman gets none of these benefits, has to
run a vehicle, pay business rates and rents, replace tools and
equipment , has extra payments such as public liablity insurance,
pension funds etc.
So £500 a day could be a reasonable rate if he wants to stay in
business , keep up a reasonable standard of living and not grow old in
poverty, and a minimum charge for any job of say £50 to £100 is
appropriate.

Its a hard life to be sure, and some of the bastards get short hours
and flexi-time too - try phoning your planning officer etc. before
9.30 or after 4.30!

cheers (moans )
Jacob

James Hart

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Mar 23, 2004, 2:19:46 PM3/23/04
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...and the country is full of IT experts looking for jobs. Maybe they should
look at a little retraining.

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James Hart

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Mar 23, 2004, 2:21:01 PM3/23/04
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How do you work that, 3 wives or are you part of a secret cloning
experiment?

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PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 3:34:18 PM3/23/04
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> > In Liverpool some are being paid £550 per thousand bricks laid and
> > some laying 4000 a week!
>
> ...and the country is full of IT experts looking for jobs. Maybe they
should
> look at a little retraining.

Many are. I know of two IT "experts" whoa are becoming plumbers and another
a spark.


PJ

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Mar 23, 2004, 3:34:58 PM3/23/04
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"dave @ stejonda" <NoSpam...@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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We had one in an apartment we rented while we built and we only used it
twice.


tony sayer

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Mar 23, 2004, 4:01:02 PM3/23/04
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In article <c3q6o6$299r0s$2...@ID-76251.news.uni-berlin.de>, James Hart
<ne...@jameshart.co.uk> writes

Nay lad, four in the newclear family unit or whatever they call it
nowadays....
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Rickard Dwiggery

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Mar 23, 2004, 4:55:43 PM3/23/04
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"AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know if this is a common problem around the country but I am
> starting to get very frustrated about not being able to get work done
> because the work is deemed to be too small. I live in East Sussex
> (Eastbourne) and I have tried to get the pros out to do jobs but when they
> come to quote (if they bother to turn up for the appointment) they take
one
> look and say that it's not worth their while to do such a small job.

I had same problem - wanting to get a bit of help in to speed the house
renovation up. All the tradesmen I phone up were too busy or wanted too
much.

The solution? I put an ad in the local rag (Friday ad if you have one)
asking for odd-job / diy / painter, decorator for the odd day. Pay £75-£100
per day.

I had loads of responses from people who did a bit on the side or just
wanted a bit of extra weekend work. Wait til you've got a days work for
them and then getthem in to do a few jobs.

Rick


Scott Mills

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Mar 23, 2004, 5:44:04 PM3/23/04
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>
> > Its deemed grounds for divorce if ours packs up, and theres only 4 of
> > us!....
>
> I still say they're a waste of time and space.
>

We have one. Last used in in June I think...


James

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"AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know if this is a common problem around the country but I am
> starting to get very frustrated about not being able to get work done
> because the work is deemed to be too small. I live in East Sussex
> (Eastbourne) and I have tried to get the pros out to do jobs but when they
> come to quote (if they bother to turn up for the appointment) they take
one
> look and say that it's not worth their while to do such a small job. Let
me
> explain.


Perhaps with the enlargement of the EU next year skilled tradesmen from
Eastern Europe will discover a gap in the market here in the UK

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dmc

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Mar 24, 2004, 4:02:04 AM3/24/04
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In article <c3q0mq$a4k$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,

PJ <p...@hotiymeell.nohanks.org.uk.me.etc.com> wrote:
>
>I still say they're a waste of time and space.


Thats what I thought till we moved into a house with one and "gave it a go".
All hell broke loose when it broke down :-)


Could never really see the point of tumble dryers either - again, till we
had one :)

Darren

tony sayer

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Mar 24, 2004, 4:55:01 AM3/24/04
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In article <c3q0lc$rf5$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, PJ <p...@hotiymeell.nohank
s.org.uk.me.etc.com> writes

Wow!, a good bricklayer should be able to get a 1000 laid a day so at
550 a day?. Sure this isn't some combined rate for bricklayers and
labours?....
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jacob

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:21:40 AM3/24/04
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> Perhaps with the enlargement of the EU next year skilled tradesmen from
> Eastern Europe will discover a gap in the market here in the UK
>
Yes very likely and good luck to them. There is a huge skill shortage
in Britain and plenty of work for newcomers - to the benefit of all of
us in the long run.
I hope that they will get at least the minimum wage and not be ripped
off by the black market.

cheers

jacob

tony sayer

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:54:23 AM3/24/04
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In article <b9730626.04032...@posting.google.com>, jacob
<ja...@jpbutler.demon.co.uk> writes

Perhaps we shouldn't send so many of our young to uni for useless things
like media studies and suchlike?....
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Neil Jones

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Mar 24, 2004, 7:04:22 AM3/24/04
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"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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Heretic! It's obvious that we need more graduates, not fewer. To pluck a
figure from thin air, I reckon about 50% of our young people should go
to university.

Neil


tony sayer

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In article <c3rtg7$298dn1$1...@ID-215588.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Jones
<ne...@the-joneses.org.uk> writes

Well you say that Neil, but theres many well qualified IT people round
Cambridge who can't get work, but bricklayers are commanding silly money
and trying to get, let alone the rate, for a plumber round here is
enough to fit you out for the funny farm:-(
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Neil Jones

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"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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Perhaps you missed the [implied] smilie? I'll be more explicit in future
:-)

Neil


tony sayer

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Mar 24, 2004, 7:22:31 AM3/24/04
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In article <c3rub8$2bn7q9$1...@ID-215588.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Jones

'S alright!..
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Jerry Built

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Mar 24, 2004, 7:57:51 AM3/24/04
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tony sayer wrote:
> a good bricklayer should be able to get a 1000 laid a day

Yeah, right. I can lay 1000 bricks a day. Does that make me
a good bricklayer? "I can do that. Gissa job...".


J.B.

tony sayer

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In article <P2MJNYPSMAALANAGAPMC...@ziplip.com>, Jerry
Built <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes

Well my old dad used to, and a lot of his work is still about, and its
just fine:-)
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ANt

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Mar 24, 2004, 8:32:32 AM3/24/04
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<snip>

> Yes I agree. Youv'e got to stop what you were doing, go and look at
> the job, go back to get what you need, pack your van, perhaps go
> shopping for bits and bobs, put down a dust sheet or two, tidy up
> afterwards, go home and unpack your gear (you always must take a good
> collection of kit or you are bound to need something you left behind)
> and then start again where you left off . This can amount to best
> part of a days work even if the job itself takes only half an hour.

Heh..and people wonder why trademen have a bad reputation sometimes !
You surely can't use enough kit in 30 mins that would take 7 hours to
load and unload from your Van !

Also, there's nothing worse from a client relations perspective than
the tradesman turning up on the first day at 11am because he had to
drive around the county at rush hour purchasing the bits and bobs he
needs for the job. I would suggest it's better to pre-order what's
needed and have it delivered by the supplier direct to the client if
possible. The cost of delivery and potentially a higer price compared
to local shops would probably be offset by the fact the tradseman gets
an extra hours work in as opposed to driving around.
Ant.

Alan Campbell

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Mar 24, 2004, 9:15:39 AM3/24/04
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Hi,

This _is_ a DIY group - with our help, I'm sure you could do it.
It may look complex at first but with a bit of investigation, you will
find that it isn't rocket science. I know this from my own experience.

why don't you start by starting a new thread telling us about your
thermostat? I'm sure someone will tell you how to change them over
safely.

Googling this group will give you all the answers you need to perform
each piece of your dishwasher fitting but again, any questions will be
easily answered.

Alan.

"AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote in message news:<c3p3iq$avl$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>...

<snip>

Bob

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"Neil Jones" <ne...@the-joneses.org.uk> wrote in message
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:-)

I wonder if 50% even get enough GCSEs to stay on for A-levels, let alone go
to university.

stuart noble

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Mar 24, 2004, 8:37:09 AM3/24/04
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But to get back to the original question.......
I can't see why the OP can't find a plumber to install a dishwasher. What he
won't want to do is take out the cupboards/worktops first. Like a lot of
kitchen jobs you probably need 2 tradesmen, and 3 visits.
Chippy>plumber>chippy. I don't think it's that difficult finding tradesmen,
but they can afford to sidestep anything that isn't 100% straightforward.


Neil Jones

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"Bob" <bobs.s...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>

>
> I wonder if 50% even get enough GCSEs to stay on for A-levels, let
alone go
> to university.
>
>
>

IIRC 41% fail to get 5 GCSEs grade A-C


Dave S

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Mar 24, 2004, 11:27:29 AM3/24/04
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:16:05 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:


>
>Well you say that Neil, but theres many well qualified IT people round
>Cambridge who can't get work, but bricklayers are commanding silly money
>and trying to get, let alone the rate, for a plumber round here is
>enough to fit you out for the funny farm:-(

All the Corgi registered plumbers in Norwich who were recently
recommended to me, are unavailable because they are working in
Cambridge!! Apparently the council have drafted them in to do work on
the council houses because there aren't enough in Cambridge... :/
Dave

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PoP

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Mar 24, 2004, 11:35:45 AM3/24/04
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On 24 Mar 2004 03:21:40 -0800, ja...@jpbutler.demon.co.uk (jacob)
wrote:

>Yes very likely and good luck to them. There is a huge skill shortage
>in Britain and plenty of work for newcomers - to the benefit of all of
>us in the long run.

Except those who might be put out of work, surely?

PoP

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tarquinlinbin <fle...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<js4060160gluouhqu...@4ax.com>...
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:28:24 -0000, "AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote:
>
> Snipped woes of elusive tradesmen
> >
> >Angela
> >
> I sympathise Angela. I am a tradesman myself. Sounds a bit of an old
> fashioned term these days doesnt it?. Prevokes images of chaps in blue
> bib n brace overalls,perhaps a flat cap and an old leather toolbag.
>
> The tradesman famine in this country is the fault of both the
> Government,population and industry.
>
> Lots of people dont value tradesmen. They think they are
> ignorant,incompetent and untrustworthy and also that they should sell
> their skills cheaply.
>
> These attitudes have been all pervasive for years so that we no longer
> have school leavers who want to be tradesmen. They see it as being too
> low,having no status.
>
> In turn the government and industry pay lip service to the crisis.
> They set up half arsed registration and training organisations which
> are merely vehicles for rubberstamping mediocrity.
>
> Thats why the good quality,honest tradesman is an endangered species
> and thats why you cant get anyone to do jobs. I have the same problem.
> I sought out a skilled joiner to replace 9 doors in my house. I'd say
> the job was worth well over £1000. Could i get someone? no i couldnt.
> I'll have to do it myself.
>
> Joe (le gasman)

Hi All,

I agree to a certain extent. I try to do most of the work to my house
myself purely because I have found it so difficult in the past to get
people in. My recent bad experience concerns trying to get a boiler
replaced which is something I'm sensibly not going to try myself.

I've phoned five people over two weeks, four didn't call me back or
turn up for appointments. The fifth turned up on time, provided a
detailed written quote and has got the job. If tradespeople are too
busy then it's not a problem but I wish they would say right from the
outset.

My advice is to rely on personal recommendation. Ask neighbours, work
colleagues, friends etc who they use. Personal recommendation is
everything as far as I'm concerned.

Good luck!

Martin.

Andy Hall

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:54:23 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <b9730626.04032...@posting.google.com>, jacob


We don't. for the most part. It's mainly the new "universities" that
are doing those courses...


.andy

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Andy Hall

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Mar 24, 2004, 3:02:02 PM3/24/04
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Why stop there?

Drop the standards low enough and then everybody can go.

Andy Hall

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If that's the only problem then alter the grading system. Fixed....

Tony

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"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message
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Like Cambridge? :-) OK, they don't do a full degree in it.


Mike Mitchell

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Mar 24, 2004, 4:58:43 PM3/24/04
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:28:24 -0000, "AK" <fa...@xxx.com> wrote:

>I don't know if this is a common problem around the country but I am
>starting to get very frustrated about not being able to get work done
>because the work is deemed to be too small. I live in East Sussex
>(Eastbourne) and I have tried to get the pros out to do jobs but when they
>come to quote (if they bother to turn up for the appointment) they take one
>look and say that it's not worth their while to do such a small job. Let me
>explain.
>

>The first job is very small, I have a new programable thermostat and would
>like to get someone to fit it, but everyone I have called have just said no.
>I am a feeble woman and although this is a small job this is one thing I
>wont have a go at as it involves electricity!
>
>The second is (much) bigger. I want to have a dishwasher fitted in my
>kitchen ( a brand new house and no dishwasher - unbelievable). This will
>involve removing a display cupboard, putting in a new end panel and doing
>the plumbing and electrics (not too difficult as it will sit next to the
>washing machine), at the same time I will have to have all the worksurface
>replaced as it will need extending over the dishwasher and I will take the
>oportunity to have a new one as I don't like the one that is there. In
>total it's about 9 meters of worksurface. I have had 3 people around and
>all wouldn't quote saying the job was too small.
>
>What do I do now? Is there anybody in East Sussex that is willing to take
>on these jobs? or am I destined to just dream of what might have been!!
>
>Angela

My suggestion, Angela, is to go for the grey job market! That is, find
yourself an old'un (like me, for example, except that I won't be going
grey - my gran still had barely a trace when she died at 85; my dad,
too, though he died somewhat younger) who doesn't have the same kind
of overheads, extra marital affair, kids out of wedlock and so on to
support. There must be hundreds of ex-plumbers, carpenters and other
tradesmen out there who can't find or don't want a job with an
employer, but would be only too keen to take on some small jobs every
now and again. Also, you'll probably find we are far more honest than
Thatcher's children and won't rip you off. Many of us still don't own
mobile phones either, so we couldn't get called away while on the job
as is so often the case with the younger generation.

Sorry, I can't help, as I am not in your area. But I am not unique,
even though when I look in the mirror each morning, I mutter to
myself, gee, Mike, you're a one-off!

MM

tarquinlinbin

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Mar 24, 2004, 5:42:23 PM3/24/04
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On 24 Mar 2004 03:21:40 -0800, ja...@jpbutler.demon.co.uk (jacob)
wrote:

>> Perhaps with the enlargement of the EU next year skilled tradesmen from

Indeed,pehaps there are people in eastern Europe who also have skills
in management,legal,accountancy and government?

geoff

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In message <c3q6o7$299r0s$3...@ID-76251.news.uni-berlin.de>, James Hart
<ne...@jameshart.co.uk> writes

>PJ wrote:
>>> My bro in law sez that bricklayers on the estate at Cambourn near
>>> Cambridge are knocking up over a grand a week for their basic
>>> wage!....
>>
>> A grand a week?!!!! Is that all??!!
>>
>> In Liverpool some are being paid £550 per thousand bricks laid and
>> some laying 4000 a week!
>
>...and the country is full of IT experts looking for jobs. Maybe they should
>look at a little retraining.
>
What, and get their hands dirty ?

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geoff

Paul C. Dickie

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:05:22 AM3/24/04
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In article <c3p3iq$avl$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>, AK <fa...@xxx.com>
writes

>The first job is very small, I have a new programable thermostat and would
>like to get someone to fit it, but everyone I have called have just said no.
>I am a feeble woman and although this is a small job this is one thing I
>wont have a go at as it involves electricity!

You are Sasha Klamp and I claim the News Chronicle prize! o-)

--
< Paul >

geoff

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:16:20 PM3/24/04
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In message <g5e36018m9cjbfedv...@4ax.com>, PoP
<p...@anyoldtripe.co.uk> writes

>On 24 Mar 2004 03:21:40 -0800, ja...@jpbutler.demon.co.uk (jacob)
>wrote:
>
>>Yes very likely and good luck to them. There is a huge skill shortage
>>in Britain and plenty of work for newcomers - to the benefit of all of
>>us in the long run.
>
>Except those who might be put out of work, surely?
>
Competitive world isn't it

I just found out that one of my customers has stopped using me because
the prices I post on my website are too cheap

basically he wants to make his 33% and then the fitter wants to make 33%
so he expects my prices to him to be 77% below what I sell to the public
... wish on

It might be hard, but, if someone will offer something for a better
price, people will go for it

--
geoff

geoff

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:19:08 PM3/24/04
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In message <afa89591.04032...@posting.google.com>, ANt
<ants...@btinternet.com> writes


So how's the tradesman going to make his percentage on the parts if you
go and buy them for him ?

--
geoff

geoff

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:23:30 PM3/24/04
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In message <c3rtg7$298dn1$1...@ID-215588.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Jones
<ne...@the-joneses.org.uk> writes
>
To do what?

We have a big problem with e.g. too many unemployed IT workers and too
few plumbers

--
geoff

geoff

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Mar 24, 2004, 6:56:45 PM3/24/04
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In message <245c3c3e.04032...@posting.google.com>, Martin
<mbr...@geocities.com> writes
Aah, but that's not a DIY reply, is it?
--
geoff

ANt

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Mar 25, 2004, 5:57:31 AM3/25/04
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geoff <ra...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<h8ceowRs...@ntlworld.com>...
he can keep his percentage. I'm just suggesting he mail order the bits
to be delivered directly to the client instead of him having to drive
around all the shops in the county trying to source something and
loading/unloading his van with them. Just seems more efficient use of
time.

AK

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Mar 25, 2004, 10:02:11 AM3/25/04
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"Alan Campbell" <al_cam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> This _is_ a DIY group - with our help, I'm sure you could do it.
> It may look complex at first but with a bit of investigation, you will
> find that it isn't rocket science. I know this from my own experience.
>
> why don't you start by starting a new thread telling us about your
> thermostat? I'm sure someone will tell you how to change them over
> safely.
>
> Googling this group will give you all the answers you need to perform
> each piece of your dishwasher fitting but again, any questions will be
> easily answered.
>
> Alan.

Ok, with the thermostat I'll give it a try.............I'll get it out of
the box at the weekend and I'll look at the wiring on the other one and
report back here!

Angela


Nick Brooks

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Mar 25, 2004, 10:37:26 AM3/25/04
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Angela,

Thermostats are often at mains voltage so make sure you turn everything
off first at the fusebox/consumer unit.

You'll probably find only two wires behind the existing thermostsat and
it should be fairly simple to work out where to connect them on the new one.

Good luck, everyone's got to start somewhere

Nick Brooks

geoff

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Mar 24, 2004, 7:14:10 PM3/24/04
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In message <bbd3609dq5kalaiff...@4ax.com>, Dave S
<d.she...@uea.ac.uk> writes

Then Diy you silly bugger
--
geoff

Dave S

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Mar 26, 2004, 5:28:52 AM3/26/04
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My point was, what would it be like in Cambridge if half the plumbers
in Norwich weren't working there as well? Much like it is in Norwich,
I would think.....

DIY was not an option because I'm selling the house. My buyer's
surveyor discovered a water leak in the boiler. My buyer wishes to see
receipts to show the leak has been repaired by a CORGI registered
plumber, before he will exchange contracts. If I did the work myself,
he would still want the work inspected by a CORGI registered plumber -
seems fair enough to me.

In any case, whilst I'm happy to tackle most things, this is one job
that I'm certainly not presently competent to do. So right now, I'd
be a silly bugger if I *did* DIY...

rob

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"Dave S" <d.she...@uea.ac.uk> wrote in message
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being corgi registered means that you can show a fair amount of competence
when dealing with GAS.
YOU have a water leak, which can be dealt with by a non registered competent
person. even a competent d.I.y'er
rob


Alan Campbell

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Mar 26, 2004, 9:40:24 AM3/26/04
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Sound advice,

I would also say that it would be worth investing in a cheapy
multimeter from one of the sheds to test that it definitely wasn't
live.
There is always the slight possibility (miniscule) that it was wired
up by a complete idiot bypassing the main breaker. It is very rare but
I have seen it done in a factory once and I now won't touch any
electrics unless I have checked them first.

As Nick says, it should be obvious but if you are at all unsure then
get back to us.

Alan.

Nick Brooks <nick....@mailandnews.com> wrote in message news:<c3uubm$2dg9qt$1...@ID-221615.news.uni-berlin.de>...


> AK wrote:
> > "Alan Campbell" <al_cam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:d6be50e4.04032...@posting.google.com...
> >

<<snip>>

Andy Hall

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Mar 26, 2004, 9:54:11 AM3/26/04
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:52:46 -0000, "rob" <robow...@v21.me.uk>
wrote:

>
>"Dave S" <d.she...@uea.ac.uk> wrote in message

>>


>> DIY was not an option because I'm selling the house. My buyer's
>> surveyor discovered a water leak in the boiler. My buyer wishes to see
>> receipts to show the leak has been repaired by a CORGI registered
>> plumber, before he will exchange contracts. If I did the work myself,
>> he would still want the work inspected by a CORGI registered plumber -
>> seems fair enough to me.
>>
>> In any case, whilst I'm happy to tackle most things, this is one job
>> that I'm certainly not presently competent to do. So right now, I'd
>> be a silly bugger if I *did* DIY...
>> Dave
>> --
>> David Shepherd
>> Norwich, UK
>
>being corgi registered means that you can show a fair amount of competence
>when dealing with GAS.
>YOU have a water leak, which can be dealt with by a non registered competent
>person. even a competent d.I.y'er
>rob
>


That may be true, but the customer wants a receipt from a CORGI
registered person, and the customer, of course, is always right - even
when he's wrong.......

geoff

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Mar 26, 2004, 4:47:10 PM3/26/04
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In message <4064...@news.greennet.net>, rob <robow...@v21.me.uk>
writes

>
>being corgi registered means that you can show a fair amount of competence
>when dealing with GAS.

Statements like that always make me laugh

--
geoff

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