Christ, is this how much skips cost?

[Mentalguy2k8]

Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* �150 for a tiny
little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!

Bloody hell.

[Steve Firth]

Thank the drooling idiot politicians who thought it was a brilliant idea to
bring in a landfill tax.

You can also thank the same idiots for the piles of fly tipped crap now
despoiling the countryside.

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_/ _/

[Tim Watts]

4 years ago, an 8-9yd was <200

That's the green landfill tax.

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[Mentalguy2k8]

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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I wanted one for garden waste but seeing as I can ferry it to the waste tip
or bonfire it for nothing, it seems ridiculous to pay £150 upwards just to
have someone take it for me.

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Tim Watts" <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:0kq47a-...@squidward.local.dionic.net...

> On Friday 24 May 2013 20:02 Mentalguy2k8 wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* £150 for a tiny
>> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>>
>> Bloody hell.
>
> 4 years ago, an 8-9yd was <200

I haven't hired one for years and years, hence my shock!

[soup]

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

> I wanted one for garden waste but seeing as I can ferry it to the waste
> tip or bonfire it for nothing, it seems ridiculous to pay £150 upwards
> just to have someone take it for me.

How many trips to ferry 4 sq-yds?


How much petrol?
How much wear and tear on the car?
How much is your time worth?

Quite probably less the £150 but not zero.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.

Needless top say its all 'outsourced' these days..

I am not surprised people just put stuff in a ditch.

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[Dis Manibus]

"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:knod8c$jch$1...@dont-email.me...

> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* £150 for a tiny
> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>
> Bloody hell.

I use the wheelie bin, a sledge hammer, and lots of patience.

[Tim Watts]

On Friday 24 May 2013 20:55 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i-y:

> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>
> Needless top say its all 'outsourced' these days..
>
> I am not surprised people just put stuff in a ditch.

I will draw the honourable gentleman's train of though to 1998 when Sutton
Council (London) used to drop skips all over the place for people to dump
heavy stuff and for people with no cars (quite common amongst the flat
owners).

There was no fly tipping to speak of.

Then the stopped. And the communal bins area (nice and anonymous) got filled
up with old matresses, furniture, broken TVs etc. And so did the woods.

Denying the service does not make the problem magically go away...

[Tim Watts]

Check this:

http://www.bookaskip.co.uk

The prices around my area are typical so it will give you a baseline when
ringing local companies.

Skips are not propertional by volume either - could you go halves on a
bigger one with a neighbour?

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 24/05/13 21:04, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Friday 24 May 2013 20:55 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
>> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>>
>> Needless top say its all 'outsourced' these days..
>>
>> I am not surprised people just put stuff in a ditch.
> I will draw the honourable gentleman's train of though to 1998 when Sutton
> Council (London) used to drop skips all over the place for people to dump
> heavy stuff and for people with no cars (quite common amongst the flat
> owners).
>
> There was no fly tipping to speak of.
>
> Then the stopped. And the communal bins area (nice and anonymous) got filled
> up with old matresses, furniture, broken TVs etc. And so did the woods.
>
> Denying the service does not make the problem magically go away...
>

EU landfill tax to encourage 'recycling'

Vote UKIP

[meow...@care2.com]

On Friday, May 24, 2013 8:02:24 PM UTC+1, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* �150 for a tiny

> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>
> Bloody hell.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Disposal_Options

NT

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:34:48 +0100, soup wrote:

> How many trips to ferry 4 sq-yds?

Well as 4 sq-yds are infintely thin, just fold them up and they'll
disappear. 4 cu-yds is another matter. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

[harry]

On May 24, 9:15 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> On 24/05/13 21:04, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Friday 24 May 2013 20:55 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
> >> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
> >> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>
> >> Needless top say its all 'outsourced' these days..
>
> >> I am not surprised people just put stuff in a ditch.
> > I will draw the honourable gentleman's train of though to 1998 when Sutton
> > Council (London) used to drop skips all over the place for people to dump
> > heavy stuff and for people with no cars (quite common amongst the flat
> > owners).
>
> > There was no fly tipping to speak of.
>
> > Then the stopped. And the communal bins area (nice and anonymous) got filled
> > up with old matresses, furniture, broken TVs etc. And so did the woods.
>
> > Denying the service does not make the problem magically go away...
>
> EU landfill tax to encourage 'recycling'
>

We are running out of landfill space. So it has to be recycled.

[Brian Gaff]

Landfill tax..
Brian

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"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Brian Gaff]

Well, this is a case of moving the problem but not solving it of course.
also as a guy on a phone in said, it does not matter who dumped it, if its
traced to you its you who gets fined for the dumping.


The Obvious solution is, I suppose to store it all and sort it all and burn
what you can, but its not always possible.

Brian

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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <.DarWin><|
> _/ _/

[Brian Gaff]

Our council will giveyou a wheelie bin and remove it if its just garden
waste for 55 quid a year.

Brian

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"soup" <cheezs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:knof53$us9$1...@dont-email.me...

[RJH]

My plan of the moment is: rubble sacks. Clearing a load of lath and
plaster, so quite heavy (the plaster, burning the lath*). I estimate 20
bags per m3. 40 bags for the current job. 5 trips to the tip at an hour
a trip**, or man/van to clear.

In that way I can go at my own time, and fly tipping into skips is a
concern I have.

Rob

* is it usual to clear the lath, or just plasterboard over it?
** used to be a 30 minute round trip. Austerity now mean a 30 minute
average queue.

[The Natural Philosopher]

we are not.

[polygonum]

How bad is old plaster for garden soil? Any nasties likely to be contained?

(Might not work for you - but your question prompted a general thought.)

--
Rod

[RJH]

The 'plaster' is a very thin shell backed by what looks like a loose
cement. Not the pebbles, muck and horse hair I came across in my
previous Victorian house.

Hadn't thought about anything especially nasty - was just going with
lung protection using:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/3m-valved-dust-respirator-p1/11366

and dust goggles

> (Might not work for you - but your question prompted a general thought.)
>

Not much of a garden alas.

Rob

[stuart noble]

Raised beds then? Ours are about a foot high and contain all sorts of
heavy stuff including cat litter and plaster

[Road_Hog]

"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:6f6d9092-6ece-4f8d...@l5g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

>
We are running out of landfill space. So it has to be recycled.

---------------------

Bollocks are we.

We as households recycle because we are forced to. Councils recycle because
the EU forces them to.

Council targets (and fines) are based on how much recycling they collect,
not how mucg is actually recycled. Which is why most recycling still ends up
in landfill.

All of this green/eco stuff is just a clever ruse to take money from the
poor (i.e. johny taxpayer) and give it to the rich. Which is why the last
chairman of the government climate change advisory panel (Tim Yeo) had to
resign because he failed to declare that he was pocketing loads of money
from renewable energy companies, why the current chairman (John Gummer aka
Lord Deben) is about to be under investigation for the same reason and that
call me dave's father in law (SamCam's dad) is raking in £365,000 pa from
wind turbine taxpayer subsidies and is going to buy more, because (in his
own words) it is such a good business.

You're a fucking mong if you believe all this shit about recycling and
global warming, and you're also a fucking mong if you vote LibLabCon.

[stuart noble]

On 25/05/2013 08:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/05/13 07:35, harry wrote:
>> On May 24, 9:15 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We are running out of landfill space. So it has to be recycled.
> we are not.
>
>

Still plenty of room in Essex

[Peter Johnson]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:04:41 +0100, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:

>
>I will draw the honourable gentleman's train of though to 1998 when Sutton
>Council (London) used to drop skips all over the place for people to dump
>heavy stuff and for people with no cars (quite common amongst the flat
>owners).
>

That would around the same time that in Leicester a skip was brought
to an area for a week for householders to use and emptied daily; this
happened annually. The scheme came to an end after several years when
it was realised that it was being abused by some who were dumping
commercial waste. It was followed by a dustcart coming round once a
year, on a notified date, to take large items - I took the heat
exchanger of my old central heating boiler out once. I don't know why
that came to an end but now householders can have a free collection of
up to five items of bulky waste in any two month period and one free
collection of up to 15 items of garden waste in any two month period.

[Gazz]

"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote the following bollox

>>
> We are running out of landfill space. So it has to be recycled.

Landfill is putting rubbish into a hole in the ground isn't it? so your
saying we are running out of holes in the ground???

Dig a big hole, put the contents of the hole over the cliffs where costal
erosion is a problem and claim back the land from the sea, fill the hole
with rubbish, when it's full, put a layer of earth over it, a few methane
collection pipes, run a genny or 2 off the methane, plant grass and a few
trees and call it a country park, sorted.

[Gazz]

"stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:vP_nt.72471$9y3....@fx17.am4...

>> Not much of a garden alas.

> Raised beds then? Ours are about a foot high and contain all sorts of

> heavy stuff including cat litter and plaster.

Your like the bloke who owned this house before i moved in, his 'raised bed'
along the bottom of the garden was to hide the tarmac from when the drive
was block paved.

[The Medway Handyman]

On 24/05/2013 20:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/05/13 20:26, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1590133547391115264.573253%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* £150 for a tiny
>>>> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>>>>
>>>> Bloody hell.
>>>
>>> Thank the drooling idiot politicians who thought it was a brilliant
>>> idea to
>>> bring in a landfill tax.
>>>
>>> You can also thank the same idiots for the piles of fly tipped crap now
>>> despoiling the countryside.
>>
>> I wanted one for garden waste but seeing as I can ferry it to the
>> waste tip or bonfire it for nothing, it seems ridiculous to pay £150
>> upwards just to have someone take it for me.

> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.

You don't pay at our tip, but vans & pick ups are banned & you can't
carry stuff in.

>
> Needless top say its all 'outsourced' these days..
>
> I am not surprised people just put stuff in a ditch.
>

Thank the Greenies for that.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Peter Johnson" <pe...@nospam.narrowgauge.co.uk> wrote in message
news:14v0q8t99bi33rjao...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:04:41 +0100, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I will draw the honourable gentleman's train of though to 1998 when Sutton
>>Council (London) used to drop skips all over the place for people to dump
>>heavy stuff and for people with no cars (quite common amongst the flat
>>owners).
>>
> That would around the same time that in Leicester a skip was brought
> to an area for a week for householders to use and emptied daily; this
> happened annually. The scheme came to an end after several years when
> it was realised that it was being abused by some who were dumping
> commercial waste.

I seem to recall a similar scheme years ago where I used to live, if you got
5 or 6 households to sign a form, they'd supply a one-off skip for free. All
well and good but it would be full within 10 minutes. Presumably that scheme
went AWOL when the rubbish tax hit.

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Tim Watts" <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote in message

news:9st47a-...@squidward.local.dionic.net...

> Check this:
>
> http://www.bookaskip.co.uk
>
> The prices around my area are typical so it will give you a baseline when
> ringing local companies.

Yep, that's one that I tried, their best price was.... drum roll.... 290
quid for a piddly 4 cubic yarder.

>
> Skips are not propertional by volume either - could you go halves on a
> bigger one with a neighbour?

I probably could, but then he'd want to put *his* crap in there :)

[Mentalguy2k8]

"RJH" <nor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:95udnWyuhKAT-T3M...@bt.com...

> On 24/05/2013 20:02, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* �150 for a tiny
>> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>>
>> Bloody hell.
>
> My plan of the moment is: rubble sacks. Clearing a load of lath and
> plaster, so quite heavy (the plaster, burning the lath*). I estimate 20
> bags per m3. 40 bags for the current job. 5 trips to the tip at an hour a
> trip**, or man/van to clear.
>
> In that way I can go at my own time, and fly tipping into skips is a
> concern I have.

Having looked at the skip prices, it seems you'd have to pay extra for
putting plasterboard in them.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/05/13 08:33, polygonum wrote:
> How bad is old plaster for garden soil? Any nasties likely to be
> contained?
>

it is IIRC essentially gypsum - hydrated calcium sulphate IIRC.

Used as a soil conditioner and fertiliser.

So essentially it can actually be very good for your soil.

> (Might not work for you - but your question prompted a general thought.)
>


--

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/05/13 09:54, Road_Hog wrote:
> You're a fucking mong if you believe all this shit about recycling and
> global warming, and you're also a fucking mong if you vote LibLabCon.

Cant accept the language, but endorse the message :-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

Exactly.

the only requirement is to be careful of toxic chemicals leaching into
groundwater.

But huge masses of watse is utterly mon toxic. Untreated lumber, iron
steel and most metals - lead cadmuum and so on being exceptions - even
asbestos is harmless underground. Most industrial solventst will
evaprate or for useful gas as will most organics.

Strip the,meatals. burn the wood and paper and generate power, scrub teh
effluents for low grade industrial chemicals and bury the rest. Stick a
pipe into it and burn te gas for power as well. Cover woith soil, leave
for thirty years and plant a wood or crops or anything.

I men we regularly extracted millions of tonnes of sand and gravel;,
chalk and limestone and clay to make houses with. Once extracted, why
NOT chuck rubbish in the holes, and cover with topsoil?

[charles]

In article <knq6os$une$1...@news.albasani.net>,

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

that is what is being done - but we now import most of our bricks from the
Netherlands so the holes are theirs not ours.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

[The Natural Philosopher]

The whole of my orcahrd ended up a foot higher to bury most of the
unburnable parts of the old house that was demolished to make way for
this one. :-)
There is a nice flat topped mound that hides the garden shed, made out
of what I dug out to make the pond, that forms the soakaway (and a nice
place for lilies and fish too)

The house itelfwas built a bit higher than what it replaced: the top
part of the lawned garden rests behind a haha that I built and is filled
with generic hardcore rubble and a pile of builders sand and
cement..that bit is a but of a problem as it drains too well - and
surrounded by a land drain in gravel hardcore and generic scrap, with
gravel on top.

with flood plans being massively too low tipping generic waste on them
and raising their levels, banking the edges to keep rivers in place, is
a completely rational way to deal with flooding

Didn't they do that for Hong Kong Airport? build walls, pump out the sea
and fill with garbage?

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <535157f3...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,

charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> writes:
> that is what is being done - but we now import most of our bricks from the
> Netherlands so the holes are theirs not ours.

Isn't most of the Netherlands a hole in the ground to start with?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <b0b7pu...@mid.individual.net>,

polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> writes:
> How bad is old plaster for garden soil? Any nasties likely to be contained?

Gypsom is fine on soil. (I chuck my gypsom plaster washings over the
lawn, which loves it.) Lime is often mixed into soil to change the pH,
although old lime plaster is now mostly chalk, not lime.

Any arsenic or lead based paint in it would be very bad news though,
particularly if someone wanted to grow vegetables there later.

Gypsom should not be mixed with biodegradable waste, as it generates
hydrogen sulphide, which is why it's no longer accepted for landfill
disposal.

> (Might not work for you - but your question prompted a general thought.)

--

[stuart noble]

> Gypsom should not be mixed with biodegradable waste, as it generates
> hydrogen sulphide, which is why it's no longer accepted for landfill
> disposal.
>

Interesting

[Steve Firth]

"Brian Gaff" <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, this is a case of moving the problem but not solving it of course.
> also as a guy on a phone in said, it does not matter who dumped it, if its
> traced to you its you who gets fined for the dumping.

Most fly tippers don't care. They only have a risk if they are caught in
the act, the person who paid them to take rubbish away is at risk until the
evidence decays.

It's common now to find rural lay-bys with a dumped trailer that is packed
with waste.

> The Obvious solution is, I suppose to store it all and sort it all and burn
> what you can, but its not always possible.

Pretty much what we do now. A good quality incinerator is useful.
Fortunately for us the previous owner bought a really good incinerator made
from firebrick. I've had to replace the grate several times but it has
consumed tonnes of flammable household and garden waste.

--
<•DarWin><|
_/ _/

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el art�culo <knoelq$s70$2...@dont-email.me>, Mentalguy2k8
<Mental...@gmail.com> escribi�:

>I haven't hired one for years and years, hence my shock!

Last time I hired one it was a fiver!

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

[polygonum]

On 25/05/2013 12:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/05/13 08:33, polygonum wrote:
>> How bad is old plaster for garden soil? Any nasties likely to be
>> contained?
>>
>
> it is IIRC essentially gypsum - hydrated calcium sulphate IIRC.
>
> Used as a soil conditioner and fertiliser.
>
> So essentially it can actually be very good for your soil.
>
>
>> (Might not work for you - but your question prompted a general thought.)
>>
>
>

I was assuming lime plaster giving mention of laths.

We have seen some suggest that there might be unpleasant substances in
plasterboard plaster - not sure if that applies to all gypsum plaster -
due to how it is made. I.e. plain gypsum as from the ground is fine.

--
Rod

[The Natural Philosopher]

that's calcium hydroxide, mainly. turning to calcium carbonate by
absorbing CO2.

in other words.. chalk.

[sm_jamieson]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:15:53 AM UTC+1, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
> "RJH" <nor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:95udnWyuhKAT-T3M...@bt.com...
>
> > On 24/05/2013 20:02, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>

> >> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* �150 for a tiny

>
> >> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>
> >>
>
> >> Bloody hell.
>
> >
>
> > My plan of the moment is: rubble sacks. Clearing a load of lath and
>
> > plaster, so quite heavy (the plaster, burning the lath*). I estimate 20
>
> > bags per m3. 40 bags for the current job. 5 trips to the tip at an hour a
>
> > trip**, or man/van to clear.
>
> >
>
> > In that way I can go at my own time, and fly tipping into skips is a
>
> > concern I have.
>
>
>
> Having looked at the skip prices, it seems you'd have to pay extra for
>
> putting plasterboard in them.

I paid 110 quid for an 8 yard skip about 2 years ago (Coventry). Not sure what the current prices are though. I put plasterboard in and nobody said anything. I have no idea where they empty the skip, nor do I care !
I'm sure in That London, skips cost 3x as much.

Simon.

[Rick Hughes]

On 24/05/2013 20:02, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* �150 for a tiny

> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>
> Bloody hell.

not in my area ... 9 m3 skip drop fornt �109 if fill is
soil/subsoil/hardcore

If contaminated mixed waste (household rubbish etc) a lot more
expensive as they have to sort it.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:02:44 +0100, "Dis Manibus" <d...@manibus.com>
wrote:

>
>"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:knod8c$jch$1...@dont-email.me...

>> Just looking around at skip hire prices, *starting at* £150 for a tiny
>> little 4-sq-yd midi one??? And a 4.5-sq-yd Hippobag is the same price!
>>
>> Bloody hell.
>

>I use the wheelie bin, a sledge hammer, and lots of patience.

Back when scrap cars were worth nothing, a mate used his angle
grinder, bin bags and the services of the local authority's dustcart
to take his old Hillman away. No piece was bigger than a foot square.

[Dis Manibus]

"Grimly Curmudgeon" <gri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:abh2q8tm9drdpienr...@4ax.com...

I'm impressed. The most I've managed is a three-piece suite, a washing
machine, and a couple of beds and matresses. Plus the endless rubble you
find buried in the garden of a house built in the 80's. All sawn up, smashed
up, or cut up with tinsnips. But like the other thread about shredders - you
have to be patient, and get some (admittedly strange) pleasure from such
things. I have a corner of the garden set aside for things that go into the
bin a bit at a time, so as not to make it too heavy.

[postmaster @ stejonda]

In message <I60ot.14132$mh7....@fx25.am4>, The Medway Handyman
<davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>On 24/05/2013 20:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
>> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>
>You don't pay at our tip, but vans & pick ups are banned & you can't
>carry stuff in.
>

I got warned when I took the rubble from an ex-internal wall that I'd
"got away with it this time" but they'd look out for me and next time
the car would be weighed and I'd be charged. (LB Bromley). Don't they
*sell* it on anyway?

--
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An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

[Tim Watts]

On Friday 31 May 2013 09:06 postmaster @ stejonda wrote in uk.d-i-y:

> In message <I60ot.14132$mh7....@fx25.am4>, The Medway Handyman
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>On 24/05/2013 20:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
>>> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>>
>>You don't pay at our tip, but vans & pick ups are banned & you can't
>>carry stuff in.
>>
> I got warned when I took the rubble from an ex-internal wall that I'd
> "got away with it this time" but they'd look out for me and next time
> the car would be weighed and I'd be charged. (LB Bromley). Don't they
> *sell* it on anyway?
>

Isn't it amazing how many surely bastards there still are running tips. The
last bastion of the british curmugeon.

Glad ours is not like that - the site boss could not be more helpful -
especially when he knows you and knows you mostly try to sort your stuff.


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[stuart noble]

On 31/05/2013 09:06, postmaster @ stejonda wrote:
> In message <I60ot.14132$mh7....@fx25.am4>, The Medway Handyman
> <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 24/05/2013 20:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the waste tip. They wanted to charge me for bringing the car
>>> in. I parked outside and carried the crap inside.
>>
>> You don't pay at our tip, but vans & pick ups are banned & you can't
>> carry stuff in.
>>
> I got warned when I took the rubble from an ex-internal wall that I'd
> "got away with it this time" but they'd look out for me and next time
> the car would be weighed and I'd be charged. (LB Bromley). Don't they
> *sell* it on anyway?
>

The LBBromley attitude to hardcore is bizarre. They have a high sided
hardcore skip which was originally limited to 4 bags per visit, then
suddenly 4 bags per month (but without any checks on registration). I
went twice one day just to prove it didn't work

The new guy on the gate is East European and actually asked me if I
needed help unloading garden waste. He'll learn!

[soup]

postmaster @ stejonda wrote:
> Don't they *sell* it on anyway?

Who would buy rubble? Dead washing machines/bikes/metal objects can go
for scrap, vegetation/food waste can be sold as the basis for compost
but rubble will have to be landfilled[1] which costs.

I suppose rubble could be; ground to dust, made into some sort of
'clay' then shaped into building material, but wouldn't that cost more
(in money and energy) than simply digging clay/stone out of the ground
and using that?

[1] AFAIKICBW etc

[Tony Bryer]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 10:30:49 +0100 Soup wrote :
> Who would buy rubble? Dead washing machines/bikes/metal objects can go
> for scrap, vegetation/food waste can be sold as the basis for compost
> but rubble will have to be landfilled[1] which costs.
>
> I suppose rubble could be; ground to dust, made into some sort of
> 'clay' then shaped into building material, but wouldn't that cost more
> (in money and energy) than simply digging clay/stone out of the ground
> and using that?

Hardcore is often needed to bring slabs, drives, paths etc up to the
required level before concreting

--
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Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com

[soup]

Tony Bryer wrote:

> Hardcore is often needed to bring slabs, drives, paths etc up to the
> required level before concreting

I don't know but would you not need hardcore for that . Plaster dust,
>2" square stones, bits of lath impregnated with plaster, half bricks
etc would not do it, again the larger lumps could be ground down but
would that not cost more then digging it out of the ground?

[Ivan Dobsky]

"soup" <cheezs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ko9qc5$pjf$1...@dont-email.me...

Oddly, it's always coming up on freecycle, and somebody always seems to want
it.

[Andrew May]

There is a plant not too far from me where they bring truckloads of
rubble which is then crushed to form fairly evenly sized hardcore. So,
yes, it probably is cheaper than digging it out the ground. Even if
cheaper is only based on the savings in landfill tax.

[Mathew Newton]

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 12:13:50 AM UTC+1, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

>> I use the wheelie bin, a sledge hammer, and lots of patience.

The first house I bought was a Victorian terrace hence lots of neighbouring properties and, more importantly, bins available...

During its renovation I would wander around the night before bin collection day and 'top up' any bin I could find with my seemingly endless supply of rubble, plaster, etc.

There was a large family opposite that had a particularly large wheelie bin and one night I must've gone a bit too far with my routine because another neighbour witnessed the bin men in the morning cursing how heavy this bin was whilst they manhandled it to the lorry.

So annoyed by the apparent fact that this family had overdone it somewhat with their oversized bin when it came back down empty one of the men chucked the bin itself into the lorry! This was possibly in the hope that the family would get a standard sized replacement when they subsequently reported it missing. This happened, on both counts.

I never confessed to my 'crime', but I do feel slightly better having done so now... ;-)

Mathew

[The Natural Philosopher]

hardcore is extremely useful as road/drive base.

[RobertL]

On Friday, May 31, 2013 1:55:05 PM UTC+1, Mathew Newton wrote:

> During its renovation I would wander around the night before bin collection
> day and 'top up' any bin I could find with my seemingly endless supply of
> rubble, plaster, etc.

I have to say that I do find it very annoying if I go to put that last bag into the bin on the morning of the bin-collection only to find someone has stuffed it full of their own rubbish during the night.

Robert

[soup]

Mathew Newton wrote:
>a particularly large wheelie bin

We've got one of them, the council issued it, as we have a special
needs son and he has bags and bags of items that need disposal each
fortnight.

It is fairly annoying when, due to our recycling, we have a little
space left in the bin and I go to put a bag in on the morning of
collection day[1] and it has been topped up by others dumping their
crap in my bin.

[1] The bin is put out the night before as I am unwilling to get up and
put the bin out for 7am. The dustman come at all times of the day.

[Rick Hughes]

On 31/05/2013 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/05/13 10:30, soup wrote:
>> postmaster @ stejonda wrote:
>>> Don't they *sell* it on anyway?
>>
>>
>> Who would buy rubble? Dead washing machines/bikes/metal objects can go
>> for scrap, vegetation/food waste can be sold as the basis for compost
>> but rubble will have to be landfilled[1] which costs.
>>
>> I suppose rubble could be; ground to dust, made into some sort of
>> 'clay' then shaped into building material, but wouldn't that cost more
>> (in money and energy) than simply digging clay/stone out of the ground
>> and using that?
>>
>> [1] AFAIKICBW etc
>>
> hardcore is extremely useful as road/drive base.
>
>

In my area .. they were resurfacing a major dual carriageway ... so you
could have as many loads of scalpings as you wanted for free .. made
great sub-base for the drive ... had around 40 ton ... all for free.

Rolled down a treat

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 09:22:37 +0100, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:

>Isn't it amazing how many surely bastards there still are running tips.

Oh come now, don't be harsh on them. I'm sure some of them can prove
their parentage.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 05:55:05 -0700 (PDT), Mathew Newton
<mathewja...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>The first house I bought was a Victorian terrace hence lots of neighbouring properties and, more importantly, bins available...
>
>During its renovation I would wander around the night before bin collection day and 'top up' any bin I could find with my seemingly endless supply of rubble, plaster, etc.
>
>There was a large family opposite that had a particularly large wheelie bin and one night I must've gone a bit too far with my routine because another neighbour witnessed the bin men in the morning cursing how heavy this bin was whilst they manhandled it to the lorry.
>
>So annoyed by the apparent fact that this family had overdone it somewhat with their oversized bin when it came back down empty one of the men chucked the bin itself into the lorry! This was possibly in the hope that the family would get a standard sized replacement when they subsequently reported it missing. This happened, on both counts.
>
>I never confessed to my 'crime', but I do feel slightly better having done so now... ;-)

Hahahaha.
You bad man.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT), RobertL
<rober...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have to say that I do find it very annoying if I go to put that last bag into the bin on the morning of the bin-collection only to find someone has stuffed it full of their own rubbish during the night.

I never fill my bins totally (well, rarely) and peeked inside one to
find several half-eaten fish suppers. This is on a back country road,
so hardly on the beaten path from the nearest chipper, so someone must
have stopped their car, and disposed of their late lunch deliberately
into my bin.
Initially I was a bit miffed at this cavalier disregard for my
paid-for rights to occupy my bin space with my rubbish but then I
realised that by so doing, the perpetrator had avoided further
littering the ditches with rubbish, as is so common along these roads.
So I ended up not minding - the driver was actually showing some
consideration and sense.
Still raises the question; who on earth buys four fish suppers and
only eats half of them?

[Nick Odell]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 10:50:06 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
<gri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Still raises the question; who on earth buys four fish suppers and
>only eats half of them?

Someone who bought their fish suppers from the same place that I did
yesterday? Won't go there again.

Nick

[The Medway Handyman]

On 31/05/2013 10:30, soup wrote:
> postmaster @ stejonda wrote:
>> Don't they *sell* it on anyway?
>
>
> Who would buy rubble?

Anyone needing hardcore. It's a saleable commodity.

http://www.staffordshireskiphire.com/hardcore_and_crushed_concrete_for_sale_staffordshire.html


--
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[The Medway Handyman]

We have a truly excellent chippy near us. I was in there last week at
lunchtime, ordered 2 portions of battered sausage & chips & paid for them.

Bloke said the chips would be 2 mins, so I popped next door to buy some
fags.

When I returned a few minutes later, the place was swarming with UK
Border Force cops -flak vests, handcuffs - the full monty.

As I opened the door one of them said the place was closed. I told him
I had already paid for my food & wasn't leaving without it.

Bloke behind the counter packed my order & off I went. In the local rag
was a report of 2 illegals working there.

[soup]

The Medway Handyman wrote:
> On 31/05/2013 10:30, soup wrote:

>> Who would buy rubble?
>
> Anyone needing hardcore. It's a saleable commodity.

You'd(TINY) think it was cheaper to dig new out of the ground aswell, ah
well you live and learn.

Aside :- Do people buy it to salve their greeny conscience or is it
genuinely cheaper?

[meow...@care2.com]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:13:18 AM UTC+1, RJH wrote:

> My plan of the moment is: rubble sacks. Clearing a load of lath and
> plaster, so quite heavy (the plaster, burning the lath*). I estimate 20
> bags per m3. 40 bags for the current job. 5 trips to the tip at an hour
> a trip**, or man/van to clear.
> In that way I can go at my own time, and fly tipping into skips is a
> concern I have.

> Rob
> * is it usual to clear the lath, or just plasterboard over it?
> ** used to be a 30 minute round trip. Austerity now mean a 30 minute
> average queue.

I'm wondering why you're removing L&P when it can be overboarded. The old L&P left in place improves sound blocking, and avoids the Dreaded Filth. Boarding is quicker when you can see the joists, but cleaning up & redecorating after L&P comes down also takes time. So I suspect a problem of your own making.

Land is pricey - why not dump suitable (large) rubble in a ring shape in the sea, fill it with suitable garbage and cap. A dozen or so such sites around the country could swallow a vast volume, and in some cases stop existing land being washed away. Once the outer wall's built there's no going to sea to dump anything more, it simply goes over the cliff, pushed out by a long ram.


NT

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 01:57:01 -0700 (PDT), meow...@care2.com wrote:

>Once the outer wall's built there's no going to sea to dump anything more, it simply goes over the cliff, pushed >out by a long ram.

Oh, can you imagine the Green Conniptions?
Sounds like a good idea, to me.

[meow...@care2.com]

It would improve the environment by converting waste sea area into useful land, but the greens would surely object on the basis of harm to the environment.

It would also reduce issues of ground contamination, since a fair bit of any potential contamination would be washed away and almost infinitely diluted.

Hardcore has a little value once broken up with machinery, and I think (not sure) its supply is in excess. Machine breaking would be skipped by simply dumping the big pieces to form the outer wall.


NT

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:14:08 -0700 (PDT), meow...@care2.com wrote:

>Hardcore has a little value once broken up with machinery, and I think (not sure) its supply is in excess. Machine breaking would be skipped by simply dumping the big pieces to form the outer wall.
>

And solve at a stroke the coastal erosion which is dumping perfectly
decent houses into the sea.
If I had owned one of those houses, I think I'd be hunting down and
executing the cunt greeny bastards who thought that abandoning coastal
protection was a good idea.

[RJH]

On 02/06/2013 09:57, meow...@care2.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:13:18 AM UTC+1, RJH wrote:
>
>> My plan of the moment is: rubble sacks. Clearing a load of lath and
>> plaster, so quite heavy (the plaster, burning the lath*). I estimate 20
>> bags per m3. 40 bags for the current job. 5 trips to the tip at an hour
>> a trip**, or man/van to clear.
>> In that way I can go at my own time, and fly tipping into skips is a
>> concern I have.
>> Rob
>> * is it usual to clear the lath, or just plasterboard over it?
>> ** used to be a 30 minute round trip. Austerity now mean a 30 minute
>> average queue.
>
> I'm wondering why you're removing L&P when it can be overboarded. The old L&P left in place improves sound blocking, and avoids the Dreaded Filth. Boarding is quicker when you can see the joists, but cleaning up & redecorating after L&P comes down also takes time. So I suspect a problem of your own making.
>

In the main, to fit insulation beneath the roof, and move an internal
partition. I had planned to remove more, but having a rethink on that
one for the reasons you suggest.

Rob