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News

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:04:46 AM6/20/12
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Son was delighted to receive a Pi yesterday, but we cannot seem to view
anything, using an ancient Sony portable TV. The only conventional PC
monitors we have use VGA.

The Pi has a yellow phono socket for video output. The TV has a
conventional TV aerial input, and a Scart socket. We don't have a lead
with Scart plug on one end, and three phono plugs on the other, but I
did find an adaptor thingy that is a Scart plug, with three phonos on
the back. No lead. I plugged that into the TV, and used an ordinary
audio lead, with phono plug on each end, to connect the adaptor to the
Pi. Nothing. Went right through the tuning band of the TV, but zilch.
What am I doing wrong or, more to the point, what else do I need to buy?

Thanks.
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Chris Bartram

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:13:39 AM6/20/12
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Connect it as you described with the phono and scart adaptor and select
the AV input on the TV. The Pi's output is composite video.

Phil

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:12:57 AM6/20/12
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On 20/06/2012 14:04, News wrote:
>
If you're using the SCART input, tuning doesn't come into it - should be
on 'AV' or 'video'.

Andy Burns

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:16:17 AM6/20/12
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You won't find the Pi's output by tuning, you'll have to switch input to
e.g. AV1 for the scart.



Gary

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:46:53 AM6/20/12
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Also it depends if the scart adaptor is an input or an output scart
adaptor. The scart pin out is at
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=scart+pinout&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=705&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=_dPhT4bfBaSa0QXUpsy3Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CG8QsAQ.

You may need to move a wire.
Gary

Steve Firth

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Jun 20, 2012, 9:48:20 AM6/20/12
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On some Trinitrons the AV input is selected by tuning to channel 0. On
others there is an AV button on the remote. On others there is an AV button
on the front panel. The AV button has an icon if a square with an arrow
pointing towards it. Pressing it cycles through the available inputs (SCART
1, SCART 2, PHONO FRONT PANEL, TV)
Not all TVs have the full range of inputs.

SteveW

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Jun 20, 2012, 10:41:01 AM6/20/12
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Some SCART inputs can be switched between RGB and Composite, so that may
also need to be set - the 4th input on our TV can be RGB, Composite or
SVHS and can only be set from a menu accessed via the remote.

SteveW

Bob Eager

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Jun 20, 2012, 11:25:42 AM6/20/12
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Or, on some of them (the ones I get) move a switch on the SCART adaptor.




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Jun 20, 2012, 12:50:15 PM6/20/12
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News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Pi. Nothing. Went right through the tuning band of the TV, but zilch.
> What am I doing wrong or, more to the point, what else do I need to buy?

You may need to tweak config.txt on the SD card to select PAL (sdtv_mode=2):
http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt

Theo

News

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Jun 20, 2012, 12:56:06 PM6/20/12
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<1827996256361892468.768080%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.or
g>, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>
>On some Trinitrons the AV input is selected by tuning to channel 0. On
>others there is an AV button on the remote. On others there is an AV button
>on the front panel. The AV button has an icon if a square with an arrow
>pointing towards it. Pressing it cycles through the available inputs (SCART
>1, SCART 2, PHONO FRONT PANEL, TV)
>Not all TVs have the full range of inputs.

Thank you. I have changed the SCART adaptor to one that is switchable,
but do not seem to be any further forward. However, I have found a
picture of the TV remote control :

http://www.avforums.com/forums/tvs/163450-sony-rm-694-old-how-tune-tv.htm
l

http://preview.tinyurl.com/89trfrr

I'm assuming the AV button is bottom row, second in from the left?
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Andy Burns

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Jun 20, 2012, 1:03:06 PM6/20/12
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News wrote:

> http://preview.tinyurl.com/89trfrr
>
> I'm assuming the AV button is bottom row, second in from the left?

I'd say the key to the right of the '9' or possible the one below that,
the key you'd indicated looks like it only does something when the
remote is in a specific "mode"

News

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Jun 20, 2012, 1:02:37 PM6/20/12
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In message
<1827996256361892468.768080%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.or
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>
>On some Trinitrons the AV input is selected by tuning to channel 0. On
>others there is an AV button on the remote.

Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!

Got it :-)

Not entirely sure how, but I suddenly have what looks like a DOS menu.
Now the fun begins.
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Gordon Henderson

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Jun 20, 2012, 2:29:27 PM6/20/12
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In article <JBo*r-...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
It's PAL by default, so no need to wory about that here.

However, tweaking with the width & height might be to your advantage.

I use:

framebuffer_width=704
framebuffer_height=544

in /boot/config.txt to get 640x480 out of the composite video. It's just
about viewable on a 30 year old monitor:

http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg

And was more or less readable on my big CRT Sony TV ...

Gordon

Gordon Henderson

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Jun 20, 2012, 2:32:05 PM6/20/12
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In article <TpcaOspt...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
Login

Type:

wget -O rtb http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/rtb-armel
chmod +x rtb
./rtb -l

for that true vintage experience ;-)

Gordon

News

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Jun 20, 2012, 3:17:00 PM6/20/12
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In message <jrt4q7$v9u$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
<gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>
>However, tweaking with the width & height might be to your advantage.

Um, yes. I was blaming the TV ...
>
>I use:
>
>framebuffer_width=704
>framebuffer_height=544
>
>in /boot/config.txt to get 640x480 out of the composite video. It's just
>about viewable on a 30 year old monitor:

I've sent Child off to learn how to find and amend config.txt :-)

Just briefly playing, I can see that my vague memories of DOS are
slightly useful, but, bearing in mind that I have never used any flavour
of anything except DOS, this is going to be a bit of a learning curve.

Oh, and the image is black and white only. Not sure whether that is the
Pi or the TV.

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Gordon Henderson

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Jun 20, 2012, 3:26:08 PM6/20/12
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In article <s7s1Koqs...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
News <ne...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <jrt4q7$v9u$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
><gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>>
>>However, tweaking with the width & height might be to your advantage.
>
>Um, yes. I was blaming the TV ...
>>
>>I use:
>>
>>framebuffer_width=704
>>framebuffer_height=544
>>
>>in /boot/config.txt to get 640x480 out of the composite video. It's just
>>about viewable on a 30 year old monitor:
>
>I've sent Child off to learn how to find and amend config.txt :-)

It doesn't exist out of the box, you need to create it.

>Just briefly playing, I can see that my vague memories of DOS are
>slightly useful, but, bearing in mind that I have never used any flavour
>of anything except DOS, this is going to be a bit of a learning curve.
>
>Oh, and the image is black and white only. Not sure whether that is the
>Pi or the TV.

Reboot the Pi. You ought to get a reddish Raspberry logo top-left during
boot time.

But yes, after that it will be B&W until you type something that gives
you colour.

Gordon

News

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Jun 20, 2012, 3:30:59 PM6/20/12
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In message <jrt84g$lme$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
<gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>In article <s7s1Koqs...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
>News <ne...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I've sent Child off to learn how to find and amend config.txt :-)
>
>It doesn't exist out of the box, you need to create it.

Ah, thanks.
>
>>Just briefly playing, I can see that my vague memories of DOS are
>>slightly useful, but, bearing in mind that I have never used any flavour
>>of anything except DOS, this is going to be a bit of a learning curve.
>>
>>Oh, and the image is black and white only. Not sure whether that is the
>>Pi or the TV.
>
>Reboot the Pi. You ought to get a reddish Raspberry logo top-left during
>boot time.
>
>But yes, after that it will be B&W until you type something that gives
>you colour.

B&W only. I've used the browser, and gone online, but only in B&W.
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Gordon Henderson

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Jun 20, 2012, 3:45:35 PM6/20/12
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In article <tL7125rz...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
News <ne...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <jrt84g$lme$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
><gordon...@drogon.net> writes

>>But yes, after that it will be B&W until you type something that gives
>>you colour.
>
>B&W only. I've used the browser, and gone online, but only in B&W.

Sure it's a colour telly? ;-)

It does seem odd though! I don't know of any config. options to
make it B&W only though... You'd need a 2nd TV, or some other colour
video source (old VHS box with composite output?) to check...

Gordon

SteveW

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Jun 20, 2012, 5:52:21 PM6/20/12
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I used to get B&W with one TV when playing NTSC DVDs. The TV obviously
had the circuitry to display the NTSC picture, but couldn't understand
the colour.

SteveW

chris French

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Jun 20, 2012, 6:08:08 PM6/20/12
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In message <jrt98v$tb3$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
<gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>In article <tL7125rz...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
>News <ne...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <jrt84g$lme$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
>><gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>
>>>But yes, after that it will be B&W until you type something that gives
>>>you colour.
>>
>>B&W only. I've used the browser, and gone online, but only in B&W.
>
>Sure it's a colour telly? ;-)
>
>It does seem odd though! I don't know of any config. options to
>make it B&W only though... You'd need a 2nd TV, or some other colour
>video source (old VHS box with composite output?) to check...
>

No, i'm sure the Pi is outputting colour here (the bit about typing is
surely regarding the intial commandline screen., once you are into the
GUI it's colour).

It sounds like something has gone wrong twixt the pi and the TV,
probably to do with the Scart adapter
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Graham.

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Jun 20, 2012, 6:35:45 PM6/20/12
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:56:06 +0100, News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
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No, that's more like a memory store function. I agree with Andy.

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Steve Firth

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Jun 20, 2012, 7:40:05 PM6/20/12
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News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm assuming the AV button is bottom row, second in from the left?

I could be wrong, but I think it is the column furthest to the right
(column that has the on/off button at the top), fourth button down
counting from the top. Of course Sony aren't greatly consistent so it
could be the one that you indicate.

John Rumm

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Jun 20, 2012, 8:01:00 PM6/20/12
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Or the TV has a YUV / SVGA style input mode and is looking for separate
chroma and luma signals. Feeding CVBS into a input expecting luma will
yield a B&W picture.

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Andy Burns

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News wrote:

> B&W only. I've used the browser, and gone online, but only in B&W.

Sounds like your TV's SCART input is set for s-Video (maybe called
S-VHS) rather than composite video ...

Brian Gaff

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Jun 21, 2012, 12:15:54 AM6/21/12
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You need to be in AV obviously, not going to tune it in as it has no
modulator does it?

Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Well assuming the device is putting out composite video, then the single
socket on the scart adapto and the switch to input should work if you select
the right input.

What is the form of the video out though?

Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Well its a Unix machine innit?

Brian

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John Rumm

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On 21/06/2012 01:01, John Rumm wrote:
> On 20/06/2012 23:08, chris French wrote:
>> In message <jrt98v$tb3$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
>> <gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>>> In article <tL7125rz...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
>>> News <ne...@binnsroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <jrt84g$lme$1...@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson
>>>> <gordon...@drogon.net> writes
>>>
>>>>> But yes, after that it will be B&W until you type something that gives
>>>>> you colour.
>>>>
>>>> B&W only. I've used the browser, and gone online, but only in B&W.
>>>
>>> Sure it's a colour telly? ;-)
>>>
>>> It does seem odd though! I don't know of any config. options to
>>> make it B&W only though... You'd need a 2nd TV, or some other colour
>>> video source (old VHS box with composite output?) to check...
>>>
>>
>> No, i'm sure the Pi is outputting colour here (the bit about typing is
>> surely regarding the intial commandline screen., once you are into the
>> GUI it's colour).
>>
>> It sounds like something has gone wrong twixt the pi and the TV,
>> probably to do with the Scart adapter
>
> Or the TV has a YUV / SVGA style input mode and is looking for separate

sorry make that SVHS / S-Video not SVGA!

Theo Markettos

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Gordon Henderson <gordon...@drogon.net> wrote:
> In article <JBo*r-...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >You may need to tweak config.txt on the SD card to select PAL (sdtv_mode=2):
> >http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
>
> It's PAL by default, so no need to wory about that here.

Are you sure? That page says NTSC is the default. I haven't tried either,
but PAL v NTSC would be a reason for no colour.

Theo

BartC

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"News" <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TmcqNonu...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>
> Son was delighted to receive a Pi yesterday, but we cannot seem to view
> anything, using an ancient Sony portable TV. The only conventional PC
> monitors we have use VGA.
>
> The Pi has a yellow phono socket for video output. The TV has a
> conventional TV aerial input, and a Scart socket. We don't have a lead
> with Scart plug on one end, and three phono plugs on the other, but I did
> find an adaptor thingy that is a Scart plug, with three phonos on the
> back. No lead. I plugged that into the TV, and used an ordinary audio
> lead, with phono plug on each end, to connect the adaptor to the Pi.
> Nothing. Went right through the tuning band of the TV, but zilch. What am
> I doing wrong or, more to the point, what else do I need to buy?

Have you turned on the Pi? (I'm not familiar with it, but I assume that even
with no OS, it will give some sort of display.)

Have you got an equally ancient VCR that might have composite input? Or
perhaps a DVD recorder. Then the output of that might be RF->RF on the TV,
or SCART->SCART.

The SCART<->phono adaptors, might be designed for output only (it might say
so).

Or you could wire up directly, but will probably need to solder: central
core of the yellow plug to pin 20 of SCART, and screen to pin 17 (download
SCART pinouts from anywhere).

Using RF tuning on the TV won't help if the input is via SCART or composite,
it needs to be AV input. You might be better off with a more recent TV,
which you probably have in your living room. (And in that case, doesn't the
PI have HDMI output?)

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News

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In message <GBo*oa...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
<theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes
>Gordon Henderson <gordon...@drogon.net> wrote:
>>
>> It's PAL by default, so no need to wory about that here.
>
>Are you sure? That page says NTSC is the default. I haven't tried either,
>but PAL v NTSC would be a reason for no colour.

The saga continues. I found another old TV, a Bush with build in VCR. I
know it works, and works in colour. The remote has gone wherever odd
socks go, but no matter. I plugged in the Pi, and the TV must have
recognised the AV signal, as I could watch the boot sequence, start
STARTX, launch the browser and connect, but still only B&W. It must be
the SCART adaptor I'm using. Next job is to find another one to try.

Update. Found another SCART adaptor, which is embossed Microsoft. It
probably came with an XBox. It works, but still no colour.

What do I need, to connect the Pi to a proper PC monitor that only has a
VGA connector?
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News

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In message <jrv7mg$2s6$1...@dont-email.me>, BartC <b...@freeuk.com> writes

>Or you could wire up directly, but will probably need to solder:
>central core of the yellow plug to pin 20 of SCART, and screen to pin
>17 (download SCART pinouts from anywhere).

I have found four SCART adaptors, three of which are moulded plastic.
However, one is screwed together, and the yellow socket is definitely
wired to pins 17 and 20. I cannot clearly see whether it is as above,
or opposite. Would that effect colour?

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Mark

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Jun 21, 2012, 11:18:47 AM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:36:19 +0100, News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <GBo*oa...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
><theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes
>>Gordon Henderson <gordon...@drogon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's PAL by default, so no need to wory about that here.
>>
>>Are you sure? That page says NTSC is the default. I haven't tried either,
>>but PAL v NTSC would be a reason for no colour.
>
>The saga continues. I found another old TV, a Bush with build in VCR. I
>know it works, and works in colour. The remote has gone wherever odd
>socks go, but no matter. I plugged in the Pi, and the TV must have
>recognised the AV signal, as I could watch the boot sequence, start
>STARTX, launch the browser and connect, but still only B&W. It must be
>the SCART adaptor I'm using. Next job is to find another one to try.
>
>Update. Found another SCART adaptor, which is embossed Microsoft. It
>probably came with an XBox. It works, but still no colour.

It could be the Pi itself. I would be surprised if a cable fault
would allow you to get B&W but no colour.

>What do I need, to connect the Pi to a proper PC monitor that only has a
>VGA connector?

A lot of money ;-) (Adaptors are expensive)

The Pi foundation glibly say "VGA is considered to be an end-of-life
technology" although every monitor has a VGA connector. The biggest
mistake they made in the design of the Pi IMHO.

I bought a new monitor instead - From what I can tell from the forums
most people pick this solution.
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Johann Klammer

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You Pi may have died when you plugged it into the TV. Most TVs seem to
have no grounding pin on their power socket, so their connectors may
charge up to rather high Voltage. if you plugged the PI in with the TV
on line voltage, there may have been a discharge through the Pi's video
port frying parts of the DAC.

Dave Liquorice

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Jun 21, 2012, 11:44:34 AM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:05:31 +0100, News wrote:

> I have found four SCART adaptors, three of which are moulded plastic.
> However, one is screwed together, and the yellow socket is definitely
> wired to pins 17 and 20. I cannot clearly see whether it is as above,
> or opposite. Would that effect colour?

No composite video has the colour information encoded into the
signal. If you can see a black and white image there are two
possibilities:

1) The Pi is only sending a signal with black and white. A DOS prompt
would be just white text on a black background. You need to be sure
what the Pi is sending should should have some colour...

2) The colour encoding is NTSC rather than PAL. See other posts on
how to kick it into producing PAL. Does seem a bit odd for the
default of a UK product being NTSC though.

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Pete Shew

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Jun 21, 2012, 12:13:56 PM6/21/12
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try typing startx followed by enter to start up the GUI which should
come up in colour.

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Jun 21, 2012, 12:18:29 PM6/21/12
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:05:31 +0100, News wrote:
>
>> I have found four SCART adaptors, three of which are moulded plastic.
>> However, one is screwed together, and the yellow socket is definitely
>> wired to pins 17 and 20. I cannot clearly see whether it is as above,
>> or opposite. Would that effect colour?
>
> No composite video has the colour information encoded into the
> signal. If you can see a black and white image there are two
> possibilities:
>
> 1) The Pi is only sending a signal with black and white. A DOS prompt
> would be just white text on a black background. You need to be sure
> what the Pi is sending should should have some colour...
>

I hadnt thought of that :-)

That's probably the case. Default Linux boot stuff is VGA white on black..

Needs a flash card with a boot image set up I guess. And then an X server..


> 2) The colour encoding is NTSC rather than PAL. See other posts on
> how to kick it into producing PAL. Does seem a bit odd for the
> default of a UK product being NTSC though.
>


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Pete Shew wrote:
> On 20/06/2012 18:02, News wrote:
>> In message
>> <1827996256361892468.768080%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.or
>> g>, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>> On some Trinitrons the AV input is selected by tuning to channel 0. On
>>> others there is an AV button on the remote.
>>
>> Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!
>>
>> Got it :-)
>>
>> Not entirely sure how, but I suddenly have what looks like a DOS menu.
>> Now the fun begins.
> try typing startx followed by enter to start up the GUI which should
> come up in colour.
>

Unless he has a functional flash card with linux, that will be the boot
loader I'd guess..

I believe you download a linux image and put it on a flash card and then
it will boot that.

chris French

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Jun 21, 2012, 3:54:10 PM6/21/12
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In message <jrvhgl$t4f$2...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>Dave Liquorice wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:05:31 +0100, News wrote:
>>
>>> I have found four SCART adaptors, three of which are moulded
>>>plastic. However, one is screwed together, and the yellow socket is
>>>definitely wired to pins 17 and 20. I cannot clearly see whether it
>>>is as above, or opposite. Would that effect colour?
>> No composite video has the colour information encoded into the
>> signal. If you can see a black and white image there are two
>> possibilities:
>> 1) The Pi is only sending a signal with black and white. A DOS
>>prompt
>> would be just white text on a black background. You need to be sure
>> what the Pi is sending should should have some colour...
>>
>
>I hadnt thought of that :-)
>
>That's probably the case. Default Linux boot stuff is VGA white on black..
>
>Needs a flash card with a boot image set up I guess. And then an X server..
>
>

THe OP has already said a couple of times he has had the browser
running, so he has got past all the linux boot stuff, and is in the GUI,
which is in colour
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Pete Shew

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Jun 21, 2012, 6:18:12 PM6/21/12
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On 21/06/2012 17:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Pete Shew wrote:
>> On 20/06/2012 18:02, News wrote:
>>> In message
>>> <1827996256361892468.768080%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.or
>>>
>>> g>, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>>>>
>>>> On some Trinitrons the AV input is selected by tuning to channel 0. On
>>>> others there is an AV button on the remote.
>>>
>>> Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!
>>>
>>> Got it :-)
>>>
>>> Not entirely sure how, but I suddenly have what looks like a DOS menu.
>>> Now the fun begins.
>> try typing startx followed by enter to start up the GUI which should
>> come up in colour.
>>
>
> Unless he has a functional flash card with linux, that will be the boot
> loader I'd guess..
>
> I believe you download a linux image and put it on a flash card and then
> it will boot that.
>
>
He said he had a DOS like prompt - I assumed that he has a Linux image
on his flash card already to get that far.

I haven't tried booting without the flash card installed.

News

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Jun 22, 2012, 2:55:58 AM6/22/12
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In message <Be0q5tJi...@blackhole.familyfrench.co.uk>, chris French
<newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> writes
>
>THe OP has already said a couple of times he has had the browser
>running, so he has got past all the linux boot stuff, and is in the
>GUI, which is in colour

Yes, Child downloaded the boot stuff, and transferred it to a 4GB mini
SD card (from a mobile phone) and plugged it into the Pi, with an
adaptor. The Pi boots, and runs perfectly. I have even browsed the web
successfully, but still no colour in either 'DOS' or GUI mode.

We do have a more modern TV in the house, with an HDMI socket, so next
job is to find an HDMI lead, and try the Pi with that.
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Dave Liquorice

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Jun 22, 2012, 3:26:56 AM6/22/12
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:55:58 +0100, News wrote:

> Yes, Child downloaded the boot stuff, and transferred it to a 4GB mini
> SD card (from a mobile phone) and plugged it into the Pi, with an
> adaptor. The Pi boots, and runs perfectly. I have even browsed the web
> successfully, but still no colour in either 'DOS' or GUI mode.

Have you checked that the /boot/config.txt file mentioned way back up
the thread has the line:

sdtv_mode=2

In it?

There has been enough info posted here for a quick google to confirm
that the default composite video out is NTSC and

http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt

Has all the info you need.

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Theo Markettos

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Jun 22, 2012, 7:15:56 AM6/22/12
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Pete Shew <psl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He said he had a DOS like prompt - I assumed that he has a Linux image
> on his flash card already to get that far.
>
> I haven't tried booting without the flash card installed.

If there's no SD card, nothing happens. The GPU pulls its code off the SD,
then the GPU starts the CPU. No SD card, no code, nowt.

Theo

John Rumm

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Jun 22, 2012, 1:04:25 PM6/22/12
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Only if the TV is set to be expecting S-Video

Andy Burns

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Jun 22, 2012, 5:39:51 PM6/22/12
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Theo Markettos wrote:

> Pete Shew <psl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't tried booting without the flash card installed.
>
> If there's no SD card, nothing happens. The GPU pulls its code off the SD,
> then the GPU starts the CPU. No SD card, no code, nowt.

But don't try to tell dennis that, he won't believe you ...

4f55164d$0$27374$c3e8da3$40cb...@news.astraweb.com


scorched

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Jun 22, 2012, 6:34:17 PM6/22/12
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"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...
Well, mine started in PAL straight away. I d/l'd the recommended s/ware
"debian squeeze" from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
and off it went, in colour.
Erm, unless my tv is ntsc/pal auto switching (if that's possible).
Hmmm.


Dave Plowman (News)

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Jun 23, 2012, 6:09:40 AM6/23/12
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In article <neZnTd47...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
SCART INPUT (TV set) RGB



1 - Audio out R
2 - Audio in R
3 - Audio out L
4 - Audio Earth
5 - Blue Earth
6 - Audio in L
7 - Blue (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
8 - Comp. Status - in 0-2V : INT
4.5-7V : EXT 16:9
9.5-12V : EXT 4:3
9 - Green Earth
10 - NC
11 - Green (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
12 - Nc
13 - Red Earth
14 - RGB Status
15 - Red (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
16 - RGB Status (0-0.4V:INT 1-3V:EXT/75ohm)
17 - Comp Earth
18 - Comp Earth
19 - Sync/Comp In (1Vpp/75ohm)
20 - Comp Out (1Vpp/75ohm)
21 - Screen

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News

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Jun 24, 2012, 6:23:49 AM6/24/12
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In message <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>, Dave
Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> writes
>On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:55:58 +0100, News wrote:
>
>> Yes, Child downloaded the boot stuff, and transferred it to a 4GB mini
>> SD card (from a mobile phone) and plugged it into the Pi, with an
>> adaptor. The Pi boots, and runs perfectly. I have even browsed the web
>> successfully, but still no colour in either 'DOS' or GUI mode.
>
>Have you checked that the /boot/config.txt file mentioned way back up
>the thread has the line:
>
>sdtv_mode=2

Dave, thank you. I have spent far too long reading a billion help
pages, but all seem to assume a basic knowledge which I don't yet have.
I realise that I don't have a config.txt file because I have not created
it yet. I have found out how to create the boot directory, but I don't
know how to actually create the file. What I'm looking for is the
Debian equivalent of copy con, I suppose.
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Bob Eager

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Jun 24, 2012, 6:28:19 AM6/24/12
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cat > config.txt

Terminate with Ctrl-D rather than Ctrl-Z.




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Andy Burns

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Jun 24, 2012, 7:24:32 AM6/24/12
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News wrote:

> I have found out how to create the boot directory, but I don't
> know how to actually create the file. What I'm looking for is the
> Debian equivalent of copy con, I suppose.

cat > /boot/config.txt

type the contents you require, followed by ^D, beware of using backspace
to correct errors, not sure if the pi will use raw or cooked input.

to view the contents

cat /boot/config.txt

dennis@home

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Jun 24, 2012, 9:04:29 AM6/24/12
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"News" <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Vo7L+9X1...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
Put the SD card in a usb reader and use an editor you like on a PC.
You can even get VI for windows.

Mark

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Jun 25, 2012, 4:08:50 AM6/25/12
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:23:49 +0100, News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
Complete list of config.txt parameters:
http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt

How to edit the config.txt file:
sudo nano /boot/config.txt

Our Pi took a great deal of pursuasion to output anything on the HDMI
port so I have gained extensive knowledge over the weekend!

Mark

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Jun 25, 2012, 4:33:50 AM6/25/12
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And there also this:
http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile

chris French

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Jun 25, 2012, 5:21:37 AM6/25/12
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In message <v07gu79p4lnhe5nco...@4ax.com>, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> writes
Really?

What OS were you running?

Using both the Pi Debian "Squeeze" image, and Raspbmc it 'just worked'
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Mark

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Jun 25, 2012, 6:13:35 AM6/25/12
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Debian �squeeze� (19-04-2012)

>Using both the Pi Debian "Squeeze" image, and Raspbmc it 'just worked'
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News

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In message <v07gu79p4lnhe5nco...@4ax.com>, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> writes

>Our Pi took a great deal of pursuasion to output anything on the HDMI
>port so I have gained extensive knowledge over the weekend!

Funny you should say that. Connected our Pi direct to a fairly new TV
with a new, unused HDMI cable. Nothing. Will try playing with
config.txt this evening.
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Gordon Henderson

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Jun 26, 2012, 3:58:41 AM6/26/12
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In article <gZmSYNCh...@blackhole.familyfrench.co.uk>,
chris French <newsrep...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote:

>>Our Pi took a great deal of pursuasion to output anything on the HDMI
>>port so I have gained extensive knowledge over the weekend!
>
>Really?
>
>What OS were you running?
>
>Using both the Pi Debian "Squeeze" image, and Raspbmc it 'just worked'

Don't be surprised... If you read the various forums, IRC, etc. then
you'll find that there is a small number of people with continual
problems - mostly (it seems) to do with the HDMI modes not being quite
right, or that the Pi doesn't detect the TV/Monitor mode correctly,
etc.

Gordon

Mark

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Jun 26, 2012, 4:25:02 AM6/26/12
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Another weirdness I found is that it appears that the default values
for parameters contained within 'config.txt' are different depending
on whether the file exists or not.

With a different HDMI cable I could sometimes get output on the port
with no 'config.txt' file. The picture was perfect.

However once I had created a config.txt file I found I had to set
several other parameters such as 'config_hdmi_boost', and I had to
correct an overscan issue. Also the display resolution now looks
different, but I haven't had time to look at that yet.

free....@gmail.com

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Apr 6, 2014, 9:25:09 AM4/6/14
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Hi Graeme,

I had the same problem, connected the Pi using S-video (yellow socket) with a Scart adapter to my old TV.

I had the boot files of NOOBS 1.3.4 on my SD card. In the root of NOOBS there is a readme file that says the following:

>> Your Pi will now boot into NOOBS and should display a list of operating systems that you can choose to install.
>> If your display remains blank, you should select the correct output mode for your display by pressing one of the following number keys on your keyboard:
>> 1. HDMI mode - this is the default display mode.
>> 2. HDMI safe mode - select this mode if you are using the HDMI connector and cannot see anything on screen when the Pi has booted.
>> 3. Composite PAL mode - select either this mode or composite NTSC mode if you are using the composite RCA video connector.
>> 4. Composite NTSC mode

So I pressed 3 and had my Pi displaying something on my TV :-)
When I pressed 4 the screen was in B/W.


Hope this helps.

The Other John

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On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 06:25:09 -0700, free.wallie wrote:

> On Monday, 25 June 2012 14:49:00 UTC+2, News wrote:
^^^^
Did you miss this bit? I suspect he's fixed it by now! :)

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News

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In message <MOd0v.210333$4l4.1...@fx23.am4>, The Other John
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Well, I didn't, but my son did :-)
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