OT indian subcontinent based Windows scammers & G2S.com

[Jim K]

Elderly relative just been taken for £100+ by the usual indian origin
telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
it" scam :<(((

Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
etc.

Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
provider .....

Any (constructive) comments anyone?

Jim K

[John Williamson]

Other than suggesting that you warn averyine you know, especially those
who are not computer knowledgable, no.

I had a few minutes fun with one last week, and ended up by telling him
I was not only the person in charge of security at this location, and
would happily contact our security software supplier so that they could
close the loophole if he'd like to tell me the exact problem, but I also
told him I was Microsoft qualified, at which point, he just rang off.
Daft git couldn't even tell me the IP address of the computer with a
problem...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[John Williamson]

John Williamson wrote:
> Jim K wrote:
>> Elderly relative just been taken for £100+ by the usual indian origin
>> telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
>> it" scam :<(((
>>
>> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
>> etc.
>>
>> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
>> provider .....
>>
>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>
> Other than suggesting that you warn averyine you know, especially those
> who are not computer knowledgable, no.
>

Grrr... ^^^^^^^^
everyone

[The Other Mike]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT), Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an iPad


--

[dennis@home]

"The Other Mike" <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in message
news:7ftla7h0p8sojr6sn...@4ax.com...

>>Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an iPad

And this stops mugs from being taken in, how?

[Andy Burns]

Jim K wrote:

> Elderly relative just been taken for £100+

> Any (constructive) comments anyone?

They can probably wave goodbye to the money, make sure they warn any
friends who may be equally ripe for the scan.

Better hope the scammers were satisfied with the £100, and didn't
install any backdoors to let them search for and/or grab important
passwords and bank details from the machine ...

[Jim K]

On Oct 28, 7:52 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kickass.net> wrote:
> "The Other Mike" <rootpassw...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in messagenews:7ftla7h0p8sojr6sn...@4ax.com...

>
> >>Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> > Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an iPad
>
> And this stops mugs from being taken in, how?

erm Macs are "immune"?

Jim K

[Unbeliever]

Don't make such a bland and silly statement!

They *ARE* *NOT* immune or invulnerable! Considering that around 85% of
computer user worldwide are running some variant of the Windows operating
system and only around 7% use Macs - then it is obvious that the 'con-men'
are going to target Windows over Apple, whether by false telephone calls or
virus/trojan/DDoS attacks.

Macs are not "immune" against any sort of attack - there are just so few of
the about. And why attack the 'few' in any form when you can make a killing
from the 'many'.

[Unbeliever]

Jim,

About the best way to stop such calls is for your elderly relative is change
the phone number and go ex-directory if at all possible - or failing that,
get a phone with Caller Display (if the relative subscribes to the TPS
through BT (if they are the phone provider, the caller display service is
free [or it was before I left BT]) and then ignore any unrecognised (or
'silly' looking) numbers.

[geoff]

In message <9h094i...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes

No - you've got it wrong

Why does he need to know the IP addy ?

He just need to find enough gullible people to enable him to make an
honest buck

If you get technical on him, he puts the phone down and rings the next
number

--
geoff

[John Williamson]

geoff wrote:
> In message <9h094i...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
> <johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes
>>

>> I had a few minutes fun with one last week, and ended up by telling
>> him I was not only the person in charge of security at this location,
>> and would happily contact our security software supplier so that they
>> could close the loophole if he'd like to tell me the exact problem,
>> but I also told him I was Microsoft qualified, at which point, he just
>> rang off. Daft git couldn't even tell me the IP address of the
>> computer with a problem...
>>
>
> No - you've got it wrong
>
> Why does he need to know the IP addy ?
>

He was trying to tell me that my computer had a problem, and I have more
than one, so I asked him which IP address it was using so I could
identify the problem machine.

> He just need to find enough gullible people to enable him to make an
> honest buck
>
> If you get technical on him, he puts the phone down and rings the next
> number
>

The fun came from seeing how long I could delay that moment, so saving
another victim from being harassed. I was bored...

Five minutes it took. I've heard of people winding them up for a quarter
of an hour before now.

[Jim K]

well indeed - sadly the indian sub-con men do not adhere to the TPS
Elderly rellies have many overseas friends/contacts
I suspect they will endure and I hope they have learnt their
lesson....

Jim K

[dennis@home]

"Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message
news:j8f6ca$q7d$1...@dont-email.me...

More than that, this attack is on the user and will work for virtually any
computer OS that runs a browser.
Of course people that think they are immune are more likely to do something
stupid.

[Bob Eager]

Whoosh.



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http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

[Jim K]

On Oct 28, 10:21 pm, "Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote:
> Jim K wrote:
> > On Oct 28, 7:52 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kickass.net> wrote:
> >> "The Other Mike" <rootpassw...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:7ftla7h0p8sojr6sn...@4ax.com...
>
> >>>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> >>> Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an iPad
>
> >> And this stops mugs from being taken in, how?
>
> > erm Macs are "immune"?
>
> > Jim K
>
> Don't make such a bland and silly statement!

you do appreciate the use of the inverted coomma - don't you? ;>)

Jim K

[geoff]

In message <9h0lra...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson

<johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes
>geoff wrote:
>> In message <9h094i...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>><johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>
>>> I had a few minutes fun with one last week, and ended up by telling
>>>him I was not only the person in charge of security at this location,
>>>and would happily contact our security software supplier so that they
>>>could close the loophole if he'd like to tell me the exact problem,
>>>but I also told him I was Microsoft qualified, at which point, he
>>>just rang off. Daft git couldn't even tell me the IP address of the
>>>computer with a problem...
>>>
>> No - you've got it wrong
>> Why does he need to know the IP addy ?
>>
>He was trying to tell me that my computer had a problem, and I have
>more than one, so I asked him which IP address it was using so I could
>identify the problem machine.

He's a scammer, not a computer expert

>
>> He just need to find enough gullible people to enable him to make an
>>honest buck
>> If you get technical on him, he puts the phone down and rings the
>>next number
>>
>The fun came from seeing how long I could delay that moment, so saving
>another victim from being harassed. I was bored...
>
>Five minutes it took. I've heard of people winding them up for a
>quarter of an hour before now.
>

E.g. http://www.419baiter.com/games.html

--
geoff

[dennis@home]

"Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message

news:j8f76l$vg1$1...@dont-email.me...

> Jim K wrote:
>> Elderly relative just been taken for �100+ by the usual indian origin
>> telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
>> it" scam :<(((
>>
>> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
>> etc.
>>
>> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
>> provider .....
>>
>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>
>> Jim K
>
> Jim,
>
> About the best way to stop such calls is for your elderly relative is
> change the phone number and go ex-directory if at all possible

Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
It doesn't stop anyone calling.
These things use dialling computers and never look at a directory.

I misdialled a number once and had some irate idiot answer.

he started screaming things like "how did you get this number?", "I'm
ex-directory, you can't call me", etc.
complete and utter idiot.

It wasn't as though it was the time we programmed a call sender with the
wrong number and made about 450 calls to some poor guy. We got back from the
pub and he was going "pleeease stop calling me, please stop".

[dennis@home]

"John Williamson" <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9h0lra...@mid.individual.net...

> The fun came from seeing how long I could delay that moment, so saving
> another victim from being harassed. I was bored...
>
> Five minutes it took. I've heard of people winding them up for a quarter
> of an hour before now.

Part of the scam is connecting to a web site so they can remote control your
computer.. you should be able to wind them up for that long by just being
unable to put the correct url in.

[dennis@home]

"Tim Streater" <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote in message
news:timstreater-B767...@news.individual.net...


> So whose was the "right" number that you had intended to make 450 calls to
> then?

Just a test machine in another exchange.
It just answered and then hung up.

It was going to run over the weekend so its just as well someone actually
had the speaker turned on.
In silent mode he may have killed himself after 3 days with about 5 calls a
minute.

[geoff]

In message <4eab25b7$0$32197$c3e8da3$e3f2...@news.astraweb.com>,
"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kickass.net> writes

>
>
>"Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message
>news:j8f76l$vg1$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Jim K wrote:
>>> Elderly relative just been taken for £100+ by the usual indian origin
>>> telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
>>> it" scam :<(((
>>>
>>> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
>>> provider .....
>>>
>>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>>
>>> Jim K
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> About the best way to stop such calls is for your elderly relative is
>>change the phone number and go ex-directory if at all possible
>
>Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
>It doesn't stop anyone calling.
>These things use dialling computers and never look at a directory.
>
>I misdialled a number once and had some irate idiot answer.
>
>he started screaming things like "how did you get this number?", "I'm
>ex-directory, you can't call me", etc.
>complete and utter idiot.
>
>It wasn't as though it was the time we programmed a call sender with
>the wrong number

Yeah dennis - we've seen what happens when you try and program something

--
geoff

[Unbeliever]

Jim K wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:21 pm, "Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote:
>> Jim K wrote:
>>> On Oct 28, 7:52 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kickass.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> "The Other Mike" <rootpassw...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in
>>>> messagenews:7ftla7h0p8sojr6sn...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>
>>>>> Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an
>>>>> iPad
>>
>>>> And this stops mugs from being taken in, how?
>>
>>> erm Macs are "immune"?
>>
>>> Jim K
>>
>> Don't make such a bland and silly statement!
>
> you do appreciate the use of the inverted coomma - don't you? ;>)
>
> Jim K

What's an 'inverted cooma' then Jim? ;-)

[Unbeliever]

Agreed that they are targetting the user, but I have *never* had one tell me
that they "have been informed by Apple that you have a problem". They have
*always* said that my computer was running Windows.

Funny enough though, since I started to tell them rather bluntly to f*ck
off - the calls have suddenly stopped.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <4eab2709$0$32235$c3e8da3$e3f2...@news.astraweb.com>,

I've only ever had one of these calls.
(I mostly get the "someone in your house recently had an accident",
which has got very boring).

I had them going for 16 minutes - getting the supervisor on the
line, etc. I did everything they asked me to, but we couldn't get
anything to work.

At no point did they ask me if I was actually running Windows ;-)
I probably could have spun it out for even longer, but I was getting
bored.

That reminds me, I must setup a sacrificial Windows VM ready for next
time.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Unbeliever]

Caller display will generally show an unusuall number though (it does using
Sky) - it's the 'withheld' ones that generally get me as I have several
family members who are ex-directory and I have to answer their calls - even
though I have told them that if they put 1470 in front of my number when
they ring, that will identify them to me.

And the point of subscribing to the TPS as part of a BT package, is that
Caller Display is then supplied free of charge - saving a few pounds on the
telephone bill, plus stopping a lot of the UK based companies from
cold-calling.

[Unbeliever]

dennis@home wrote:
> "Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message
> news:j8f76l$vg1$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Jim K wrote:
>>> Elderly relative just been taken for £100+ by the usual indian
>>> origin telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I
>>> can fix it" scam :<(((
>>>
>>> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials
>>> notified etc.
>>>
>>> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
>>> provider .....
>>>
>>> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>>
>>> Jim K
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> About the best way to stop such calls is for your elderly relative is
>> change the phone number and go ex-directory if at all possible
>
> Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
> It doesn't stop anyone calling.

Funny thing Dennis, my son and daughter are both ex-directory - and the
*NEVER* receive calls from the scammers or UK based cold-callers.

> These things use dialling computers and never look at a directory.
>
> I misdialled a number once and had some irate idiot answer.

Well and "idiot" misdialled the number in the first place.

> he started screaming things like "how did you get this number?", "I'm
> ex-directory, you can't call me", etc.
> complete and utter idiot.

Well what do you expect?

> It wasn't as though it was the time we programmed a call sender with
> the wrong number and made about 450 calls to some poor guy. We got
> back from the pub and he was going "pleeease stop calling me, please
> stop".

If you'd have done that to me, "pleeease stop calling me, please stop"
wouldn't been the words that I would have used.

Now I wonder what "idiot" programmed that call sender?

[Bob Eager]

There is of copurse no connection at all between the two...being ex-
directory does not automatically mean that caller ID is witheld, although
the kind of people who do one, also often do the other.

> And the point of subscribing to the TPS as part of a BT package, is that
> Caller Display is then supplied free of charge - saving a few pounds on
> the telephone bill, plus stopping a lot of the UK based companies from
> cold-calling.

Again, no direct connection. You can subscribe to TPS separately, and
still ask for 'BT Privacy' - they just won't bother about TPS
registration as it's already done.

[dennis@home]

"Tim Streater" <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote in message

news:timstreater-343F...@news.individual.net...
> In article <4eab2859$0$32050$c3e8da3$e3f2...@news.astraweb.com>,

> So, a test setup. Didn't anyone check the first few to ensure it was
> running OK?

Obviously not.
It was working anyway, it just wasn't supposed to be answered by a person.

It was the generic we by the way as in our development group, I don't know
who actually programmed the machine.

[dennis@home]

"Unbeliever" <ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message

news:j8ff5a$k20$1...@dont-email.me...

> Agreed that they are targetting the user, but I have *never* had one tell
> me that they "have been informed by Apple that you have a problem". They
> have *always* said that my computer was running Windows.

Well the new ones are using the names of different companies, they know
about the warnings that are being issued here in the UK.

[Jim K]

merely a test to see if you are paying better attention to the
squiggly things on the screen -seems you are ;>)

Jim K

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <4eab21ef$1$14476$c3e8da3$e3f2...@news.astraweb.com>,

Well, it totally failed for Firefox on Solaris, even though I did
everything they asked. The bits that always fail are
a) when it gets to the point where it tries to run a Windows .EXE, and
b) when the browser sees the web page do something that tries to look
outside the sandboxed environment of that web page.

> Of course people that think they are immune are more likely to do something
> stupid.
>

[Jim K]

On Oct 29, 10:27 am, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2011-10-29, Tim Streater <timstrea...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <j8fgbc$qh...@dont-email.me>,

> >> Funny thing Dennis, my son and daughter are both ex-directory - and the
> >> *NEVER* receive calls from the scammers or UK based cold-callers.
>

> > There's no reason to suppose that being ex-d will stop anyone going
> > through a list of numbers. Or that being on TPS will stop overseas
> > scammers from calling.
>
> You're quite right, but nonetheless my main home line which is ex-d and
> TPS never gets scam calls, whereas my alarm line, which is neither, gets
> a number every week. At least, when I can be arsed to answer them, they're
> always cold callers or scammers.
>
> --
> Today is Boomtime, the 10th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3177
> RIP, Dennis Ritchie. One of the giants on whose shoulders Steve
> Jobs was standing.

alarm line? with a phone on it? tell us more.....

Jim K

[Mike Clarke]

On 28/10/2011 22:27, geoff wrote:
> Why does he need to know the IP addy ?
>

> He just need to find enough gullible people to enable him to make an
> honest buck

????? honest ?????

--
Mike Clarke

[John Rumm]

On 29/10/2011 01:11, Unbeliever wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>> "Unbeliever"<ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote in message

>> Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
>> It doesn't stop anyone calling.
>
> Funny thing Dennis, my son and daughter are both ex-directory - and the
> *NEVER* receive calls from the scammers or UK based cold-callers.

I don't think that proves anything either... I have not yet received one
of the windows scammers calls at home, but I am not ex-directory either.


--
Cheers,

John.

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[Adrian Simpson]

In article <timstreater-EDAA...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>If they're overseas ours just shows INTERNATIONAL. Not much you can do
>with that.
>

That is not 100% reliable.

A while back a mate of mine rang me up, his number was shown as
International. Knowing that he did a bit of globe trotting, I asked him
where he was, to which he said "home" (which was Cheshire). Turned out
that he had one of those cheap call deals.


Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "news" with "adrian" and "nospam" with "ffoil"
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

[Andy Burns]

Jim K wrote:

> alarm line? with a phone on it? tell us more.....

You can have an alarm line with ADSL on it now, the old redcare wasn't
compatible, but they changed it a long time ago ...

[Andy Champ]

On 29/10/2011 10:27, Huge wrote:
> You're quite right, but nonetheless my main home line which is ex-d and
> TPS never gets scam calls, whereas my alarm line, which is neither, gets
> a number every week. At least, when I can be arsed to answer them, they're
> always cold callers or scammers.

I had a call the other day on my work number. We have DDI, but it's in
no public directory. It just went click - I wasn't there, and they got
the answering machine - but googling the number suggests it was a scammer.

Andy

[Gareth]

On 28/10/2011 18:41, Jim K wrote:
> Elderly relative just been taken for �100+ by the usual indian origin
> telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
> it" scam :<(((
>
> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
> etc.
>
> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
> provider .....
>
> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> Jim K

Do they have any genuine anti-virus software on their computer? As I
understand it taking the money is only part of the con, installing
something nasty being the other part.

There are a few free anti-virus programs available, I've used the two
below in the past:

http://free.avg.com/gb-en/homepage

http://www.avast.com/en-gb/index

Gareth.

[Jim K]

On Oct 29, 11:52 pm, Gareth <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 28/10/2011 18:41, Jim K wrote:
>
> > Elderly relative just been taken for 100+ by the usual indian origin
> > telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
> > it" scam :<(((
>
> > Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
> > etc.
>
> > Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
> > provider .....
>
> > Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> > Jim K
>
> Do they have any genuine anti-virus software on their computer?

they do - Avira

> As I
> understand it taking the money is only part of the con, installing
> something nasty being the other part.

which is where, AIUI, anti-virus falls short....

A reinstall is imminent, PC quarantined until then.

Cheers
Jim K

[John Williamson]

Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <ogJzdFEx...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,

> Adrian Simpson <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <timstreater-EDAA...@news.individual.net>,
>> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>> >If they're overseas ours just shows INTERNATIONAL. Not much you can
>> do >with that.
>> >
>>
>> That is not 100% reliable.
>>
>> A while back a mate of mine rang me up, his number was shown as
>> International. Knowing that he did a bit of globe trotting, I asked
>> him where he was, to which he said "home" (which was Cheshire).
>> Turned out that he had one of those cheap call deals.
>

> More generally, can the source number be spoofed? If so, it doesn't say
> much for phone switches. IP routers can be configured to prevent the
> equivalent.
>
They can, and often are by people such as nPpower. When you call the
0845 number that shows on the display, you get a message saying that
they called you and will call back later. It *may* be the line they call
from, or it may be mapped in the exchange. So, possibly not spoofing in
the strict sense, but not the true number anyway.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[John Williamson]

Try Spybot Search and Destroy:-

http://www.safer-networking.org/index2.html

And Lavasoft Adaware:-

http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

They have been known to find stuff that anti-virus software has missed.

Spybot S&D is good for removing cookies that others miss.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:51:31 +0100, "Unbeliever"
<ub@...fff.was.invalid> wrote:

>Funny enough though, since I started to tell them rather bluntly to f*ck
>off - the calls have suddenly stopped.

Interestingly, same here. I wonder if my number is now on a
not-bother-with list that's shared about between scamming bastards.

[Tim Watts]

Tim Streater wrote:

> In article <ogJzdFEx...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
> Adrian Simpson <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>

>> In article <timstreater-EDAA...@news.individual.net>, Tim
>> Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>> >If they're overseas ours just shows INTERNATIONAL. Not much you can do
>> >with that.
>> >
>>
>> That is not 100% reliable.
>>
>> A while back a mate of mine rang me up, his number was shown as
>> International. Knowing that he did a bit of globe trotting, I asked him
>> where he was, to which he said "home" (which was Cheshire). Turned out
>> that he had one of those cheap call deals.
>

> More generally, can the source number be spoofed? If so, it doesn't say
> much for phone switches. IP routers can be configured to prevent the
> equivalent.
>

If it were all on BTs equipment, then in theory they could guarantee the
accuracy. But when a CLI is presented by a 3rd party, BT have not knowledge
as to whether it is valid or not, assuming it meets a basic set of rules
depending on where the connection came from.

Personally, I find it less than helpful that BT will not pass international
CLI numbers on whereas Sipgate.co.uk do. OK, it could be bollocks, but if it
is a number I recognise, then it is likely to be that person.

--
Tim Watts

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:59:22 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
> It doesn't stop anyone calling.

> These things use dialling computers and never look at a directory.

Aye, we have a few MSN numbers that have *never" being used or
published *anywhere*, they receive calls...

If there is a valid CLI, that same CLI may call one of the numbers we
do use these calls are invariably "silent" calls. ie when you answer
there is total silence for a second or two whilst the computer
desperately searches for a free call center operator to take the
call. All these type of calls get the silent treatment from us in
return.

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Cheers
Dave.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:40:58 +0100, John Williamson wrote:

> The fun came from seeing how long I could delay that moment, so saving
> another victim from being harassed. I was bored...

I sometime wish I got these calls. I think I could have great fun
with 'em. Not running windows, mac or linux.

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Cheers
Dave.

[dennis@home]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...

You don't need a computer, just get them to say stuff again, spell stuff,
etc.

Things like "can you repeat that, your VoIP service isn't working properly"
can get responses you can work on.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:10:36 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> In silent mode he may have killed himself after 3 days with about 5
> calls a minute.

I'd have picked a gap, and got onto BT to get the line calling
disconnected or calls from it blocked. Then started the process of
getting the caller fined for nuisance calls.

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Cheers
Dave.

[John Rumm]

On 29/10/2011 23:32, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <ogJzdFEx...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
> Adrian Simpson <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>

>> In article <timstreater-EDAA...@news.individual.net>,
>> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>> >If they're overseas ours just shows INTERNATIONAL. Not much you can
>> do >with that.
>> >
>>
>> That is not 100% reliable.
>>
>> A while back a mate of mine rang me up, his number was shown as
>> International. Knowing that he did a bit of globe trotting, I asked
>> him where he was, to which he said "home" (which was Cheshire). Turned
>> out that he had one of those cheap call deals.
>

> More generally, can the source number be spoofed? If so, it doesn't say
> much for phone switches. IP routers can be configured to prevent the
> equivalent.

It can be spoofed. IIRC there were reports in this group a while ago of
cold callers presenting the number of the person they were calling!

[John Rumm]

On 30/10/2011 09:13, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:59:22 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> Why do people think that ex-directory makes any difference?
>> It doesn't stop anyone calling.
>> These things use dialling computers and never look at a directory.
>
> Aye, we have a few MSN numbers that have *never" being used or
> published *anywhere*, they receive calls...

This makes for an entertaining listen:

http://revk.www.me.uk/2010/07/what-moron.html

[dennis@home]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...

I would have too, but this poor guy didn't.

[The Other Mike]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:52:06 +0100, "dennis@home"
<den...@killspam.kickass.net> wrote:

>
>
>"The Other Mike" <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote in message
>news:7ftla7h0p8sojr6sn...@4ax.com...
>
>>>Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>>
>> Delete windows and install Linux or throw out the PC and buy an iPad
>
>And this stops mugs from being taken in, how?

Running any OS but windows means you fall off the edge of their
business plan, so they throw in the towel and admit defeat.

Of course you are probably still a mug if you buy an iPad


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[s...@lycos.co.uk]

On Oct 28, 5:41 pm, Jim K <jk989...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Elderly relative just been taken for £100+ by the usual indian origin
> telephone based "windows has a problem with your machine- I can fix
> it" scam :<(((
>
> Payment card stopped, refund being pursued, other financials notified
> etc.
>
> Payment taken by G2S.COM who purport to be an e-commerce solutions
> provider .....
>
> Any (constructive) comments anyone?
>
> Jim K

I have not had a single call from these guys since I started seriously
verbally abusing them...
it /does/ work !

[Tony Bryer]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:24:06 -0700 (PDT) S...@lycos.co.uk wrote :
> I have not had a single call from these guys since I started seriously
> verbally abusing them...
> it /does/ work !

I missed out today. In response to a woman telling me my computer was
infected, I asked her its IP address. She immediately realised I was
going to be conned so put the phone thus depriving me of my chance to
tell her what I thought of her - sentiments which are usually expressed
in language that would surprise my friends. Those on the receiving end
can be recognised by the missing ear <e>

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Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com