Insane Scot with disregard for electrical safety

[ARW]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857

Who could that be?

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Adam

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:00:48 -0000, "ARW"
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>
>Who could that be?

What electrical safety is that?
Bloke had a genset in his kitchen or wherever, suspended from the
ceiling so as to not disturb the neighbours and charging a battery,
drawing from that via an inverter.
I fail to see the problem - except the need to store more than the
permitted amount of petrol. Gassing himself or the neighbours is a
bonus.

[Owain]

On Nov 23, 9:00 pm, "ARW" wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
> Who could that be?

It's not me, and BigClive lives in Edinburgh.

http://www.bigclive.com/halogen.htm

Owain

[brass monkey]

"Owain" <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
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Must be the lootenants daddy.

[Ericp]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:11:50 -0800 (PST), Owain
<spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:

>It's not me, and BigClive lives in Edinburgh.
>
>http://www.bigclive.com/halogen.htm
>
>Owain
>

Well. That link kept me very happy for a few hours.

Many thanks. :)

[Weatherlawyer]

On Nov 24, 3:34 am, Ericp <er...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:11:50 -0800 (PST), Owain
>

> <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> >It's not me, and BigClive lives in Edinburgh.
>
> >http://www.bigclive.com/halogen.htm
>
> >Owain
>
> Well. That link kept me very happy for a few hours.

Is this site serious?
Or is it a version of The Onion?

[Ericp]

Seems serious to me. Just a bloke with a sense of humour and
traditional disregard for ElfnSafeT. He seems to have a background in
special effects and probably some interesting hobbies. I enjoyed his
blarney anyhow. :)

[harry]

I wonder what he hoped to achieve?
Must have been stolen petrol or something.

[Adrian C]

On 23/11/2012 21:00, ARW wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>
> Who could that be?
>

Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and home
made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?

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Adrian C

[John Williamson]

Only if you've been cut off for not paying and bypassing the meter.

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John.

[The Natural Philosopher]

roughly speaking a litre of oil contains about 10Kwh of energy, and a
diesel genny runs at about 20% eff. So its going to take half a litre of
oil to generate a Kwh.

So if you can get diesel - self made biodiesel - at less than 20p a
litre, the answer will be yes. If you ignore the capital
cost/maintenance of the genny.



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diminishing number of producers.

[John Rumm]

Na, Clive actually has a clue!


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[fred]

In article <ahbr6a...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes

Bing! Had to be didn't it.
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it's a ba-na-na . . . .

[d...@gglz.com]

I imagine he's done it in such a way that it could back-feed the supply.

Notice how the BBC website describes it, "Charles McKenzie is alleged to have rigged up a "dangerous transformer assembly" at his flat"

Though it is a bit unclear exactly which bit is reckless - the "producing electricity", the "transformer", hanging the generator from the ceiling, or simply having petrol stored in his flat.

Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the building, and I think some do the same for petrol.

[Owain]

On Nov 24, 12:00 pm, John Williamson wrote:
> Only if you've been cut off for not paying and bypassing the meter.

But surely then you run an extension lead to next door and bypass
their meter as well?

Owain

[Owain]

On Nov 24, 6:41 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
> > >http://www.bigclive.com/halogen.htm

> > Well. That link kept me very happy for a few hours.
> Is this site serious?

Yes, it's serious. The owner does the Xmas lights for Glasgow (and I
think work for the Edinburgh Military Tattoo as well)
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/christmas-its-a-tall-order.19425472

Owain

[dennis@home]

On 24/11/2012 14:35, d...@gglz.com wrote:
>


> Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the
> building, and I think some do the same for petrol.
>

Usually the ones built like Roland point.

If it were that type of construction he needs evicting.

[Bob Eager]

If anyone is trying to Google it, I think dennis means:

Ronan Point




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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ahbr06...@mid.individual.net>,

Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
> electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and home
> made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?

No. Not even with untaxed diesel.

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[robgraham]

On Nov 24, 3:34 am, Ericp <er...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:11:50 -0800 (PST), Owain
>

> <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> >It's not me, and BigClive lives in Edinburgh.
>
> >http://www.bigclive.com/halogen.htm
>
> >Owain
>
> Well. That link kept me very happy for a few hours.
>
> Many thanks.  :)

+1 - there's some fun to be had there. And I live just a few miles
away!

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <52f3b77...@davenoise.co.uk>,

Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ahbr06...@mid.individual.net>, Adrian C
> <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> > Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
> > electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and
> > home made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?

> No. Not even with untaxed diesel.

Sorry - missed the home made fuel bit. If the fuel is free - who knows?
But a 12 volt car alternator is limited to perhaps 1.5kW so it would be
better to use a proper 240v generator.

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[dennis@home]

On 24/11/2012 15:17, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:06:29 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/2012 14:35, d...@gglz.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the
>>> building, and I think some do the same for petrol.
>>>
>>>
>> Usually the ones built like Roland point.
>>
>> If it were that type of construction he needs evicting.
>
> If anyone is trying to Google it, I think dennis means:
>
> Ronan Point
>
>
>
>

That be the one, now you mention it.

Someone blew out the walls of one flat and the rest collapsed above it.
The walls weren't tied in very well.

[Bob Eager]

Basically because the contractors who built it couldn't be arsed to put
in all the bolts.

[Lieutenant Scott]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:00:48 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>
> Who could that be?

You need to learn the difference of doing something which means there's a 1 in several thousand chance of happening, and a 1 in 2 chance of happening.

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It's doing well.
He says prophets are going through the roof.

[fred]

In article <ahcfe1F...@mid.individual.net>, Bob Eager
<news...@eager.cx> writes

>On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:15:47 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> Someone blew out the walls of one flat and the rest collapsed above it.
>> The walls weren't tied in very well.
>
>Basically because the contractors who built it couldn't be arsed to put
>in all the bolts.
>

Sounds like a similar taller structure in the US, house of cards.

[Nightjar]

When I worked for an electricity board we had someone who dug a hole
through the wall and drove a couple of 6" nails into next door's meter
tails.

Colin Bignell

[Nightjar]

On 24/11/2012 17:45, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:15:47 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/2012 15:17, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:06:29 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/2012 14:35, d...@gglz.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the
>>>>> building, and I think some do the same for petrol.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Usually the ones built like Roland point.
>>>>
>>>> If it were that type of construction he needs evicting.
>>>
>>> If anyone is trying to Google it, I think dennis means:
>>>
>>> Ronan Point
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That be the one, now you mention it.
>>
>> Someone blew out the walls of one flat and the rest collapsed above it.
>> The walls weren't tied in very well.
>
> Basically because the contractors who built it couldn't be arsed to put
> in all the bolts.

Using the external walls as load bearing elements in a tower block was
simply bad design.

Colin Bignell

[Bob Eager]

Well, that too. And not making it clear that every bolt counted, because
the panels were structural.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <bbe79b5a-4168-4cba...@p17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

harry <harry...@btinternet.com> writes:
> On Nov 23, 9:00 pm, "ARW" <adamwadswo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>>
>> Who could that be?
>

> I wonder what he hoped to achieve?
> Must have been stolen petrol or something.

Generating bogus FIT revenue?

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[Owain]

On Nov 24, 10:15 pm, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> Generating bogus FIT revenue?

Fit like?

Owain

[jgharston]

Bob Eager wrote:
> Well, that too. And not making it clear that every bolt counted,
> because the panels were structural.

"Careful, that's a load-bearing poster"

JGH

[Weatherlawyer]

If you design the house around a suitable vehicle/engine and make use
of all the utilities such a design could offer, massive engine, heat
plant and whatever, it might be useful in frozen wastes far from
reliable supplies. Noisy though.

I remember watching a couple of early editions of Ice Road Truckers
and thinking:
"Why are they suffering from frostbite when part of the problem with
old trucks not designed fro use in the Arctic is protecting the engine
and radiator from the cold?"

Earlier still, in parts of Russia, some vehicle types were designed
with radiators that fitted into the carriage.

I would have thought it a piece of cake to route an hose into the
passenger side of a truck cab and possibly into a drum or home made
rad of some sort.

[Weatherlawyer]

On Nov 24, 4:14 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <52f3b772edd...@davenoise.co.uk>,
>    Dave Plowman (News) <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ahbr06Fka0...@mid.individual.net>, Adrian C

> >    <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
> > > electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and
> > > home made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?
> > No. Not even with untaxed diesel.
>
> Sorry - missed the home made fuel bit. If the fuel is free - who knows?
> But a 12 volt car alternator is limited to perhaps 1.5kW so it would be
> better to use a proper 240v generator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfhMR1uidg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwpbe&NR=1&v=2pQeeUkPoyk

[geoff]

In message <50b0e26b$0$6716$c3e8da3$28e7...@news.astraweb.com>,
"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes

>On 24/11/2012 14:35, d...@gglz.com wrote:
>>
>
>
>> Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the
>> building, and I think some do the same for petrol.
>>
>
>Usually the ones built like Roland point.
>

Dense strikes again

don't tell me you are going to blame your spellchecker for that

Duh


--
geoff

[geoff]

In message <k8qcul$4mp$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes

>On 24/11/12 11:56, Adrian C wrote:
>> On 23/11/2012 21:00, ARW wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>>>
>>> Who could that be?
>>>
>>
>> Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
>> electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and home
>> made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?
>>
>roughly speaking a litre of oil contains about 10Kwh of energy, and a
>diesel genny runs at about 20% eff. So its going to take half a litre
>of oil to generate a Kwh.
>
>So if you can get diesel - self made biodiesel - at less than 20p a
>litre, the answer will be yes. If you ignore the capital
>cost/maintenance of the genny.
>

Nicked, obviously

--
geoff

[Jules Richardson]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:13:59 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <52f3b77...@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <ahbr06...@mid.individual.net>, Adrian C
>> <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
>> > Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
>> > electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and
>> > home made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?
>
>> No. Not even with untaxed diesel.
>
> Sorry - missed the home made fuel bit. If the fuel is free - who knows?

Hard to get free fuel though I would have thought, unless you happen to
have a direct source of it as part as your business - 15 years ago it was
relatively unheard of, but I expect that there are enough takers of waste
oil now that it's either hard to come by or the source will want some
form of payment.

> But a 12 volt car alternator is limited to perhaps 1.5kW so it would be
> better to use a proper 240v generator.

Well, they just said alternator, not 'car alternator', so I assume they
were thinking of something a bit bigger.

cheers

Jules

[ARW]

TBH He is a thick daft twat.

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Adam

[polygonum]

At 1983 feet (604 meters), it would have dwarfed Ronan Point.

--
Rod

[geoff]

In message <ahfe5e...@mid.individual.net>, polygonum
<rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> writes

Seems to prove the point then


--
geoff

[polygonum]

Certainly does. :-)

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Rod

[polygonum]

On 25/11/2012 23:34, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <ahfe5e...@mid.individual.net>,

> polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 25/11/2012 20:09, geoff wrote:
>> > In message <50b0e26b$0$6716$c3e8da3$28e7...@news.astraweb.com>,
>> > "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes
>> >> On 24/11/2012 14:35, d...@gglz.com wrote:
>
>> >>> Some flats have byelaws preventing bottled gas being taken into the
>> >>> building, and I think some do the same for petrol.
>
>> >> Usually the ones built like Roland point.
>> >>
>> > Dense strikes again
>> >
>> > don't tell me you are going to blame your spellchecker for that
>

>> At 1983 feet (604 meters), it would have dwarfed Ronan Point.
>

> Metres. Or are you installing meters in those flats?
>
As it is leftpondian then spelled in a leftpondian way.

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[Muddymike]

"geoff" wrote in message news:2yT95cf8...@virginmedia.com...

In message <k8qcul$4mp$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 24/11/12 11:56, Adrian C wrote:
>> On 23/11/2012 21:00, ARW wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
>>>
>>> Who could that be?
>>>
>>
>> Haven't got the calculator out. Is it cheaper to generate yr own
>> electricity utilizing say, an old car diesel engine, alternator and home
>> made bio fuel - than connecting to the national grid?
>>
>roughly speaking a litre of oil contains about 10Kwh of energy, and a
>diesel genny runs at about 20% eff.

You can increase that if you also use the waste heat from the engine to heat
water etc.

Mike