Nokia 7650 picture phone ... any experiences?
Simon Stuart
The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650: seems I
can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny new picture
phone for just 50 quid.
Obviously, I'll also need to shell out another 50 quid on a Bluetooth
adaptor. Before I do: does anyone have any experience of a 7650/OS X
combination? The fact Apple's Bluetooth page uses the phone as an example
suggests it all works pretty smoothly ... does it?
And, drifting slightly OT: if I don't buy the Bluetooth adaptor just yet,
how easy/cheap is it to e-mail photographs from the phone?
Cheers
Simon
[1] A three-year-old Motorola cd930e. I will be distraught to part with it.
Jim Taylor
> Hello all
>
> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650: seems I
> can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny new picture
> phone for just 50 quid.
Surely you mean "shiny new brick" as it's easily the biggest mobile I've
seen in years.
Jim
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u n d e r a c h i e v e r
> Simon Stuart <simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650: seems I
>> can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny new picture
>> phone for just 50 quid.
>
> Surely you mean "shiny new brick" as it's easily the biggest mobile I've
> seen in years.
i got one almost as soon as they came out, from mobileshop.co.uk
lots of my colleagues have updated to things like the smaller sony erikson
recently. everyone now wishes they'd got the 7650.
and the killer app is not the camera. it's being able to play Doom. :)
i haven't tried out syncing with bluetooth, as I've not got the adaptor yet.
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Jim
wrote:
Speaking as someone who knows bog all about mobiles, and is looking at
getting a T68i (because it's very shiny and iSteve seems quite taken
with them) why, in small words, is the 7650 better?
Jim (struggling with this newfangled technology)
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Jim Taylor
wrote:
> >> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650:
> >> seems I can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny
> >> new picture phone for just 50 quid.
> >
> > Surely you mean "shiny new brick" as it's easily the biggest mobile I've
> > seen in years.
>
> i got one almost as soon as they came out, from mobileshop.co.uk
>
> lots of my colleagues have updated to things like the smaller sony erikson
> recently. everyone now wishes they'd got the 7650.
Really? It's got a lot of good features but the sheer size put me off, I
was thinking of getting a 7650 till I saw my friend's. I want something
more phone shaped. I'm now contemplating a T68i or one of the new Sharp
models (depending on which network I go with).
Keith Pritchard
<simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650: seems I
>can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny new picture
>phone for just 50 quid.
Wow! That sounds really good to me
>Obviously, I'll also need to shell out another 50 quid on a Bluetooth
>adaptor. Before I do: does anyone have any experience of a 7650/OS X
>combination? The fact Apple's Bluetooth page uses the phone as an example
>suggests it all works pretty smoothly ... does it?
Which page is that? I've only seen Apple using sony/ericsson....
sounds promising.
I got my t68 syncing fine... never managed anything significant with
the 7650 though :(
I was told by some third party bluetooth progs that the 7650 didnt
support mlsync so not to expect it to work and indeed it didnt.
Basically I could use it to send/receive SMS on screen from the mac
(although it sometimes just dropped the bluetooth connection... more
frequently than the t68).
I could send one off business cards from address book to 7650.
...but I couldn't sync so it really wasn't very satisfactory.
Maybe I pre-jinxed it by expecting it not to work.. I'll give it
another go tonight/tomorrow.
>And, drifting slightly OT: if I don't buy the Bluetooth adaptor just yet,
>how easy/cheap is it to e-mail photographs from the phone?
It can dial your normal isp (charge will depend on your tariff) it
could use gprs etc etc...
It's VERY easy to email them.. but cost wise, it's probably a bit
painful ;-)
All in all, I REALLY like the phone.
It's big yep but I carried it in my shirt pocket without feeling
weighed down. Sure, I'd like it smaller and lighter BUT the size does
at least allow it to have a really nice screen.
The screen is superb. WAY better than the t68. The text is wonderfully
clear and the graphics sharp and bright.
The OS is good too... very natural and useful... again better IMHO
than the t68.
Making calls great, clarity of speech great.... ring tones really nice
polyphonic
What else can I say :) It's an excellent phone... the only bad
points:-
1) size/weight... didn't overly bother me since its a pda etc as well
and its a useful PDA too not like a small phone one.. but thinner
would at least be nice
2) Slow at retrieving "log"
This is a weird one and maybe I just need to upgrade the firmware....
but going to the call lists (last calls, received calls etc.) is mind
blowingly slow... frustratingly awfully slow... and unfortunately,
when you make a call and want to call that number again, it fetches it
from your last made calls list so it takes AGES to call up. I bet
newer firmware fixes it.
3) not tri-band
Would I buy it again? yes absolutely and for 50quid, it's a dead
simple decision.
You should be aware that sony/ericsson is still threatening to finally
get the p800 out in Jan which is their version of the 7650 and chances
are it'll work better with the mac immediately.
I'm a die hard nokia fan but I'll be trying the p800 all the same.
In the mean time, I guess I'll try the 7650 syncing again
Keith
Jim
> Making calls great, clarity of speech great.... ring tones really nice
> polyphonic
Sorry for going a bit OT here, but on the T68i (since you appear to have
some knowledge of them) can you take (say) an AIFF and/or mp3 and use
that as a ringtone? It's sad I know but I *really* want the 'Yo-way-yo'
chant from 'Lexx'. Pitiful, huh?
Jim
Keith Pritchard
wrote:
>Sorry for going a bit OT here, but on the T68i (since you appear to have
>some knowledge of them) can you take (say) an AIFF and/or mp3 and use
>that as a ringtone? It's sad I know but I *really* want the 'Yo-way-yo'
>chant from 'Lexx'. Pitiful, huh?
I seem to remember the t68 wasnt polyphonic so it had just beepy beepy
ring tones. So I'd say basically no.
I don't use the t68 anymore... the 7650 really gave me lots more and
the OS on the t68 had lots of irritations (all ones that a more
sensible person could learn to live with but still, irritations).
u n d e r a c h i e v e r
> u n d e r a c h i e v e r <takeme2yourNO...@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:11:49 +0000, Jim Taylor <sp...@gbafaq.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Simon Stuart <simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello all
>> >>
>> >> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650:
>> >> seems I can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny
>> >> new picture phone for just 50 quid.
>> >
>> > Surely you mean "shiny new brick" as it's easily the biggest mobile I've
>> > seen in years.
>>
>> i got one almost as soon as they came out, from mobileshop.co.uk
>>
>> lots of my colleagues have updated to things like the smaller sony erikson
>> recently. everyone now wishes they'd got the 7650.
>>
>> and the killer app is not the camera. it's being able to play Doom. :)
>>
>> i haven't tried out syncing with bluetooth, as I've not got the adaptor yet.
>
> Speaking as someone who knows bog all about mobiles, and is looking at
> getting a T68i (because it's very shiny and iSteve seems quite taken
> with them) why, in small words, is the 7650 better?
ok, it's big, and that's what puts people off. but the screen is excellent,
and definitely not excellent on the sony erikson. the camera is a nice toy -
and the available range of software is really cool, including Doom.
the nipple navigation is superb on the Nokia, the sony one feels cheap and
is crap to use.
the PIM functions are suberb. I've not yet tried syncing with the mac yet,
which is the acid test of the original poster, as i've not got the bluetooth
connector yet (anyone suggest one and where to get one central/east
london?), nor have i seen how one would install software from the mac. In
fact i can find no mention of mac-compatibility on the Nokia site. But if it
works half as well as it does from my peecee laptop then it will be
brilliant.
there's a java based web browser available. it's also the first phone i've
used with WAP that has been useful. I now use WAP. there's also a software
keypad i'm about to install which saves you having to unhook the phone from
it's carry case to input text.
you can send and receive emails. requires some undocumented screwing around
with GPRS settings. check your local search engine for details.
GPRS is shite, the only real disapointment; I think this is a London/network
thing, not a phone thing. The Orange 28.8 kbs data rate is better, and on my
tariff, cheaper.
All IMHO of course.
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> Keith Pritchard <keit...@theinter.net> wrote:
>
>> Making calls great, clarity of speech great.... ring tones really nice
>> polyphonic
>
> Sorry for going a bit OT here, but on the T68i (since you appear to have
> some knowledge of them) can you take (say) an AIFF and/or mp3 and use
> that as a ringtone? It's sad I know but I *really* want the 'Yo-way-yo'
> chant from 'Lexx'. Pitiful, huh?
i got my six month old daughter's gurgling in as a ringtone on the 7650.
Jim
wrote:
> ok, it's big, and that's what puts people off. but the screen is excellent,
> and definitely not excellent on the sony erikson. the camera is a nice toy -
> and the available range of software is really cool, including Doom.
>
> the nipple navigation is superb on the Nokia, the sony one feels cheap and
> is crap to use.
>
> the PIM functions are suberb. I've not yet tried syncing with the mac yet,
> which is the acid test of the original poster, as i've not got the bluetooth
> connector yet (anyone suggest one and where to get one central/east
> london?), nor have i seen how one would install software from the mac. In
> fact i can find no mention of mac-compatibility on the Nokia site. But if it
> works half as well as it does from my peecee laptop then it will be
> brilliant.
>
> there's a java based web browser available. it's also the first phone i've
> used with WAP that has been useful. I now use WAP. there's also a software
> keypad i'm about to install which saves you having to unhook the phone from
> it's carry case to input text.
>
> you can send and receive emails. requires some undocumented screwing around
> with GPRS settings. check your local search engine for details.
>
> GPRS is shite, the only real disapointment; I think this is a London/network
> thing, not a phone thing. The Orange 28.8 kbs data rate is better, and on my
> tariff, cheaper.
>
> All IMHO of course.
Hmmmm, thanks for that. I've held off getting the T68 this morning as it
turned out to be 40 quid more expensive if you buy it instore rather
than over the net. I'll use the time to have a think about whether or
not I actually *need* a new phone or whether I'm just suffering from
'new toy' syndrome :-)
Jim
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Charles Kooy
> u n d e r a c h i e v e r <takeme2yourNO...@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650:
> > >> seems I can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny
> > >> new picture phone for just 50 quid.
> > >
> > > Surely you mean "shiny new brick" as it's easily the biggest mobile I've
> > > seen in years.
> >
> > i got one almost as soon as they came out, from mobileshop.co.uk
> >
> > lots of my colleagues have updated to things like the smaller sony erikson
> > recently. everyone now wishes they'd got the 7650.
>
> Really? It's got a lot of good features but the sheer size put me off, I
> was thinking of getting a 7650 till I saw my friend's. I want something
> more phone shaped. I'm now contemplating a T68i or one of the new Sharp
> models (depending on which network I go with).
>
I'm rather tempted by the new SE P800 which is *finally* being released
- Like the Nokia it runs the Symbian OS (though a newer version), is
rather lovely, also a proper PDA with a decent sized screen, unlike the
Nokia effort.
And the interface was developed by people from Psion, Ericsson and, of
all things, ex Apple people, so no, it doesn't use one of Ericsson's
rather sort-of-like-it or hate it interfaces, this one is rather spiffy.
Oh, and it supports BlueTooth properly, unlike the Nokia, and syncs
rather well with OS X. The Nokia doesn't, at least not via iSync (not a
great loss).
That said, the 7650 is rather nice, just a bit first generation-y for my
tastes.
ck
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Keith Pritchard
(Charles Kooy) wrote:
>I'm rather tempted by the new SE P800 which is *finally* being released
me too... although no predictive text input for sms :(
Charles Kooy
Now there's one thing that won't bother me at all - I can't get on with
T9, though I have tried.
Anyway, the SO wants to get the thing so I'll get a chance to play with
it before I succumb to one myself. :)
zoara
> And, drifting slightly OT: if I don't buy the Bluetooth adaptor just yet,
> how easy/cheap is it to e-mail photographs from the phone?
"free", depending on provider - at least a couple of networks are
allowing it free for a short time period. After that it's around 25p
(compare that to the price of getting a photo *developed*)
"easy" because - unless Nokia have really screwed up - you can just type
in an email address rather than a phone number and it 'just works' -
however, Vodafone are having some problems with the GPRS/MMS gateways so
you have/had to send/recieve over GSM instead.
However, after having played with a picture phone (the Sharp(?)
clamshell with Vodafone branding) over a weekend, I *really* wouldn't
bother. It's like going back to the victorian age in terms of posing for
the camera - even the slightest (slowest) movement will cause blurring.
Wait until the cameras aren't first-gen alpha-level jobbies.
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Simon Stuart
> "easy" because - unless Nokia have really screwed up - you can just type
> in an email address rather than a phone number and it 'just works' -
Hmm. Not with this baby. I've spent three hours now and the f***er *still*
won't connect over GPRS. I'm currently trying to fix it myself ... I may
have to give up and call bloody Orange to ask what on earth I'm doing wrong.
Keith/Underachiever ... can either of you point me in the direction of a
handy resource that'll get me on the right track? I followed the
instructions on Orange's website to the letter, but to no avail. I either
get "GPRS not available" or "System error".
Bastard!
S
Simon Stuart
> zoara:
>
>> "easy" because - unless Nokia have really screwed up - you can just type
>> in an email address rather than a phone number and it 'just works' -
>
> Hmm. Not with this baby. I've spent three hours now and the f***er *still*
> won't connect over GPRS. I'm currently trying to fix it myself ... I may
> have to give up and call bloody Orange to ask what on earth I'm doing wrong.
Get IN!
I've got it going. My god, that was difficult. I ended up having to work
from a hybrid of Orange's default settings and the stuff on their website
... anyway, ho! Rock and indeed roll. <Smug> And not one call to the
helpdesk. </Smug>
My initial thoughts are that it's a lovely wee creature. Yes, it's big: but,
er, not quite as big as my last phone. Guess I'll have to record some kind
of cool ringtone next ... aaah, toys. Wonder how long before it's obsolete?
S
Simon Stuart
> Which page is that? I've only seen Apple using sony/ericsson....
> sounds promising.
http://www.apple.com/bluetooth ... I've just checked again and it really
does mention the 7650 by name.
Let me know how you get on: obviously, I don't want to shell out for an
adaptor if it's going to be a waste of time :)
Cheers
S
Keith Pritchard
<simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Let me know how you get on: obviously, I don't want to shell out for an
>adaptor if it's going to be a waste of time :)
ok well doing what they say on the webpage, sending an image to the
mac, is blissfully easy!
Bluetooth turned on on the phone, paired with the mac... then choose
the photo you want to send, click send and it'll hunt out any
bluetooth devices in range.
Choose the mac and voila, on the mac you get a nifty little box saying
"do you want to accept this photo?" click yes and it opens in preview.
VERY effective.
Syncing doesn't seem to work though so I guess it was true about not
supporting syncML.
Jonathan Sanderson
> Now there's one thing that won't bother me at all - I can't get on with
> T9, though I have tried.
Agreed. T9 is fabulous... until you get to the end of a word it doesn't
know. At which point the whole ediface comes crashing down around your
shins.
But then, I watch the <25 year-olds in my office texting at lightspeed,
and wonder when technology started leaving me behind. Around about June
this year, I think?
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Richard Adkins
Simon Stuart <simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hello all
>
> The Orange Shop is doing a staggeringly good deal on the Nokia 7650: seems I
> can upgrade my ancient but much-loved brick[1] to this shiny new picture
> phone for just 50 quid.
Sounds reasonable deal. I've had a play with a colleagues 7650 and was most
impressed - feels like a device James Bond would have had a few years ago!.
Certainly output from the camera seems pretty good for such a small device.
Plus it has the lovely Symbian OS which leaves the opposition way behind,
and make you appreciate how advance Psion Plamtops where (if you they had
complete PsiMac before they got out for making plamtops - damn).
But like all technology, the Nokia 3650 takes the 7650 and adds a MMC slot
plus more memory. Have a look at Expansys, (http://www.expansys.com/). They
have a new products sections, and the details on the 3650 make it probably
the phone to wait for. Although I'm waiting for the rumoured tri-band,
bluetooth 92XX replacement :-)
>
> Obviously, I'll also need to shell out another 50 quid on a Bluetooth
> adaptor. Before I do: does anyone have any experience of a 7650/OS X
> combination? The fact Apple's Bluetooth page uses the phone as an example
> suggests it all works pretty smoothly ... does it?
>
> And, drifting slightly OT: if I don't buy the Bluetooth adaptor just yet,
> how easy/cheap is it to e-mail photographs from the phone?
Easy in a word. It is an option on the menu for sending the pic. Just need
the email addres set up in your address book. If you have a PC or PC
emulator on your Mac, you can download the pics from the camera via the
Nokia link software.
>
> Cheers
> Simon
>
> [1] A three-year-old Motorola cd930e. I will be distraught to part with it.
>
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Simon Stuart
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:14:55 +0000, Simon Stuart
> <simonma...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Let me know how you get on: obviously, I don't want to shell out for an
>> adaptor if it's going to be a waste of time :)
>
> ok well doing what they say on the webpage, sending an image to the
> mac, is blissfully easy!
[Snip]
Excellent ... that's really the only thing I'd be that keen on doing.
Cheers
S
Jonathan Sanderson
> Sounds reasonable deal. I've had a play with a colleagues 7650 and was most
> impressed - feels like a device James Bond would have had a few years ago!.
Funnily enough, the bad guy in Die Another Day has an Ericcsony P800,
due out very soon now. Bond I think uses a T68, but I'm happy to
discover that I'm not entirely sure. There's hope for me yet.
zoara
zoara
> zoara:
>
> > "easy" because - unless Nokia have really screwed up - you can just type
> > in an email address rather than a phone number and it 'just works' -
>
> Hmm. Not with this baby. I've spent three hours now and the f***er *still*
> won't connect over GPRS. I'm currently trying to fix it myself ... I may
> have to give up and call bloody Orange to ask what on earth I'm doing wrong.
Sounds like Nokia have really screwed up then :)
Simon Stuart
>>> "easy" because - unless Nokia have really screwed up - you can just type
>>> in an email address rather than a phone number and it 'just works' -
>>
>> Hmm. Not with this baby. I've spent three hours now and the f***er *still*
>> won't connect over GPRS. I'm currently trying to fix it myself ... I may
>> have to give up and call bloody Orange to ask what on earth I'm doing wrong.
>
> Sounds like Nokia have really screwed up then :)
Actually, no: it was, er, me. And Orange, I hasten to add - they made an
arse of activating multimedia messaging and GPRS on my account.
I kind of figured out that GPRS wasn't working, so gave them a ring ... for
some reason the titwit that I spoke to didn't think to say: "By the way,
mate, you might want MMS too." Assuming it was all fine at their end and the
problem still lay with me, I delved in and started messing about with the
settings ...
... and shortly after posting my triumphant "Yay!" post the other night, I
discovered that I had in fact arsed up the whole thing. I ended up reverting
to the factory settings. Now that MMS is actually turned on, it all works
perfectly. I even have lots of embarrassing pictures from new year's eve to
prove it.
Cheers
S