Great Britons
Gwynne Harper
would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
match the final result, methinks.
Ob Mac: err - would Will have written on Claris? Would Lenon have
composed on Sibelius? would Brunel have used photoshop? Would Diana have
kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
Gwynne
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> Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
> would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
> match the final result, methinks.
Link please? (By which I mean "Yes I'm too lazy to look for myself")
Jim
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Gwynne Harper
> Link please? (By which I mean "Yes I'm too lazy to look for myself")
You don't watch too much tv, either -
Jim Taylor
> > Link please? (By which I mean "Yes I'm too lazy to look for myself")
>
> You don't watch too much tv, either -
Not really, plus I tend to tune out when promos come on unless they're
for something I'm interested in. Anyway, thanks.
Jim Taylor
> Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
> would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
> match the final result, methinks.
Lookng at the top 10 you have some of the greatest minds in history
responsible for amazing theories that revolutionised how people looked
at the world. You have brilliant tacticians responsible for winning huge
battles, there's some of the greatest creative minds this world has seen
and people who have made a massive, important and worthy impact on
history. And there's Princess Di.
Andy Hewitt
> Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
> would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
> match the final result, methinks.
It's very difficult to choose, I have a lot of 'old school' heros myself
- all for different reasons.
Up there at the top (in no particular order), and I haven't seen the
official list yet.
Winston Churchill
Barnes Wallace
Ronnie Barker
Eric Morecombe
Horatio Nelson
Stirling Moss
John Mills
Bernard Montgomery
Isambard Brunel
Arthur C Clark
As for the bottom 10..... who knows?
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We are all Britons, and I am your King.
King? 'owja become king then? I didn't vote for you.
You don't vote for kings...
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Andy Hewitt
> Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
>
> > Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
> > would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
> > match the final result, methinks.
>
> Lookng at the top 10 you have some of the greatest minds in history
> responsible for amazing theories that revolutionised how people looked
> at the world. You have brilliant tacticians responsible for winning huge
> battles, there's some of the greatest creative minds this world has seen
> and people who have made a massive, important and worthy impact on
> history. And there's Princess Di.
Indeed. A very noble person without doubt, but IMHO she didn't really do
as much as the others have done, over such long periods of time.
Peter Ceresole
g.ha...@gmx.line (Gwynne Harper) wrote:
>Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
>would you put first, and which last?
This is a no-brainer, isn't it?
First Darwin (okay so Newton might make it but on balance the monkey has
it), last Di.
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Andy Hewitt
I misread the original article, so I'll try again.
Having now read the BBC web site....
I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
Father-in-Law anyway). There is little doubt that Churchill has had a
great influence over the way we live now (although it may be more to do
with the mistakes made by Hitler).
Bruce Horrocks
<hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
>that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
>Father-in-Law anyway). There is little doubt that Churchill has had a
>great influence over the way we live now (although it may be more to do
>with the mistakes made by Hitler).
A strange final sentence... isn't the same equally true of Nelson? We
could all be speaking French now, n'est pas?
;-)
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Bruce Horrocks
Hewitt <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
[snip]
>> and people who have made a massive, important and worthy impact on
>> history. And there's Princess Di.
>
>Indeed. A very noble person without doubt, but IMHO she didn't really
>do as much as the others have done, over such long periods of time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Errm, I don't think she *chose* to stop.
Regards,
Bruce Horrocks
<hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Up there at the top (in no particular order), and I haven't seen the
>official list yet.
I'll plonk for Darwin - there aren't many people who can claim to have
successfully challenged God.
>As for the bottom 10..... who knows?
Shipman probably has it.
But of those in the top 10 who ought to be in the bottom 10, then one
could make a good case for Cromwell.
Bruce Horrocks
<hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
>that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
>Father-in-Law anyway).
Reading the book reviews in the Economist recently, I learnt that
Newton's famous "if I have seen further than most then it is because I
have stood on the shoulders of giants" quote was actually a snide
put-down referring to Hook, who was a hunchback.
Oooh, bitchy!
Elliott Roper
> In article <1fl37ur.js5qir727yrkN%g.ha...@gmx.line>,
> g.ha...@gmx.line (Gwynne Harper) wrote:
>
>Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
>would you put first, and which last?
What a sad top 10. I went back to the hundred to find someone other
than Darwin, Brunel and Newton who were not in show biz or famous for
marrying or killing people.
James Clerk Maxwell is the winner.
David Kennedy
>
> Up there at the top (in no particular order), and I haven't seen the
> official list yet.
>
> Winston Churchill
> Barnes Wallace
> Ronnie Barker
> Eric Morecombe
> Horatio Nelson
> Stirling Moss
> John Mills
> Bernard Montgomery
> Isambard Brunel
> Arthur C Clark
>
1 Diana
2 Brunel
3 Churchill
4 Darwin
5 Shakespeare
6 Cromwell
7 Newton
8 Elizabeth I
9 Lennon
10 Nelson
And, just in case they have included a photo of Diana to remind you who
she was......
Also, if you vote - and everyone here should to prevent this farce from
deteriorating even further - they then thank you and ask 'please rate
Oliver Cromwell, even if you did not vote for him'.
Any of the Irish here have any thoughts on that point ?
David Kennedy
Briton (n) a word used to encourage patriotism in the great unwashed* ?
* Sun Readers ? [1]
Is that an oxymoron ?
David Kennedy
>
>
>
>
> I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
> that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
> Father-in-Law anyway). There is little doubt that Churchill has had a
> great influence over the way we live now (although it may be more to do
> with the mistakes made by Hitler).
>
Hitler did make mistakes - lucky for us - but Churchill's major
contribution was the fact that he bullied everyone into not giving up
and, I think this is a good thing (?), got the Merkins involved.
David Kennedy
Sak Wathanasin
Bruce Horrocks <b...@granby.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Reading the book reviews in the Economist recently, I learnt that
> Newton's famous "if I have seen further than most then it is because I
> have stood on the shoulders of giants" quote was actually a snide
> put-down referring to Hook, who was a hunchback.
As well as his hate-match with Hook, Newton had a long-running feud with
Liebnitz over who invented the calculus. That man could grudge for Britain
in the Olympics.
I haven't looked at the Beeb website to see what the criteria for greatness
are, but I'm pretty sure being a nice guy isn't one of them.
--
Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
http://www.network-analysis.ltd.uk
Peter Ceresole
Sak Wathanasin <s...@network-analysis.ltd.uk> wrote:
>I haven't looked at the Beeb website to see what the criteria for greatness
>are, but I'm pretty sure being a nice guy isn't one of them.
There are no criteria, which is the only way to run these plebiscites.
I reckon that changing for ever the way in which the human race (not just
the Brits) see themselves makes Darwin the most deserving of the lot;
anything else is just provincialism.
--
Peter
Alan
pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
Interesting that Francis Crick hasn't been mentioned, then (or has he?).
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D.M. Procida
Good grief. What a perfectly unpleasant collection of villains, cheats,
murderers, parasites, monsters, twisted, fucked-up, cancerous specimens.
The collection is not redeemed by the presence of two individuals who
for all their flaws and faults were more recognisably human (Darwin and
Shakespeare).
Daniele
Woody
> Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
>
> > www.bbc.co.uk/greatbritons
>
> Good grief. What a perfectly unpleasant collection of villains, cheats,
> murderers, parasites, monsters, twisted, fucked-up, cancerous specimens.
well, it is supposed to be about great britons so it would seem fair
--
Woody
Peter Ceresole
Alan <al...@spamahart.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> I reckon that changing for ever the way in which the human race (not just
>> the Brits) see themselves makes Darwin the most deserving of the lot;
>> anything else is just provincialism.
>
>Interesting that Francis Crick hasn't been mentioned, then (or has he?).
Not in the top ten, no. But then he and Watson discovered a *mechanism* by
which Darwin's theory was realised. Not quite as fundamental.
On the other hand, between Crick and Di I see no contest. However, that's
just me. The truly interesting thing about these plebiscites is not what
they tell us about the subjects- after all, it doesn't change my opinion
about any of them- but what they tell us about our fellow Brits, and to
what values they hold.
--
Peter
Peter Ceresole
{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote:
>> www.bbc.co.uk/greatbritons
>
>Good grief. What a perfectly unpleasant collection of villains, cheats,
>murderers, parasites, monsters, twisted, fucked-up, cancerous specimens.
>The collection is not redeemed by the presence of two individuals who
>for all their flaws and faults were more recognisably human (Darwin and
>Shakespeare).
Come now. Greatness, even great Britishness, never had anything to do with
being pleasant or virtuous.
I'd recommend a reading of Roy Jenkins's biography of Churchill. I never
thought him (WSC) a nice man, but Jenkins made me realise what a remarkable
character he was, and immensely human. Not, however, even close to Darwin.
My original vote was for Faraday. Actually I recognise that Darwin probably
was more important, because he removed the last intellectual excuse from
the Human Suprematists, but for a combination of humanity and genius
Faraday is till one of my faves.
--
Peter
David Kennedy
>
>
> Good grief. What a perfectly unpleasant collection of villains, cheats,
> murderers, parasites, monsters, twisted, fucked-up, cancerous specimens.
> The collection is not redeemed by the presence of two individuals who
> for all their flaws and faults were more recognisably human (Darwin and
> Shakespeare).
>
he wrote good popular entertainment but he was simply the Ealing Comedy
of his day.
People who complain vigorously about the Merkins distorting the facts in
[their] screenplays fail to register any dismay with Willies wanderings.
D.M. Procida
I wasn't commenting on the Greatness, or even the
good-at-fact-checkingess, of those concerned, but about their humanity
and non-fucked-upness.
Daniele
Alan
pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
> In article <alan-0DB2F8.1...@news.news.demon.net>,
> Alan <al...@spamahart.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> I reckon that changing for ever the way in which the human race (not just
> >> the Brits) see themselves makes Darwin the most deserving of the lot;
> >> anything else is just provincialism.
> >
> >Interesting that Francis Crick hasn't been mentioned, then (or has he?).
>
> Not in the top ten, no. But then he and Watson discovered a *mechanism* by
> which Darwin's theory was realised. Not quite as fundamental.
True, and I didn't intend to challenge Darwin. I just hadn't seen his
name. OK, I've temporarily suspended my innate laziness and checked the
list, and Crick's not even in the top 100. So, a lesser Briton than
Johnny Rotten and Bono then. Streuth, Tim Berners Lee only just scraped
into 99th place, just ahead of Marie Stopes.
> On the other hand, between Crick and Di I see no contest. However, that's
> just me.
Make that two of us. But having now seen the full list I think if most
genuine candidates could choose they'd say they didn't want to be
considered for membership of that club. The graveyards of Britain must
be heaving with the sound of rolling corpses.
>The truly interesting thing about these plebiscites is not what
> they tell us about the subjects- after all, it doesn't change my opinion
> about any of them- but what they tell us about our fellow Brits, and to
> what values they hold.
It could alternatively be a demonstration that the great British public
still has its sense of humour? Nah!
David Kennedy
surely the truth is mildly important.
But, leaving that aside, there doesn't seem to be much evidence at all
for old Will's personality or humanity - in fact there are many people
who can't even agree that he wrote his own books*
Although I would agree that many of those included are not perfect.
* is this the first case of a ghost writer ?
Charles Kooy
> It could alternatively be a demonstration that the great British public
> still has its sense of humour? Nah!
Either a sense of humour or fluoridisation of the water supply has gone
*way too far. I mean, That Beckham character, whose only achievements
are in kicking a lump of leather around and exhibiting a lack of taste
that I had previously believed only existed on the other side of the
atlantic coming in way ahead of Elgar, Frank Whittle, TE Lawrence,
Douglas Bader, Alexander Graham Bell, Charles Dickens, Tim Berners Lee,
Chaucer and Charles Babbage to name just a few of the more notable ones?
I worry for us all. I really do.
--
Sak Wathanasin
David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
> Shakespeare was a pain who consistently failed to check his facts.
What do facts have to do with a good story? The historical stuff is merely a
backdrop; the themes he writes about are universal - that's why eg Kurosawa
can set the stories in medieval Japan and make great movies out of them.
David Kennedy
> In article <3DC6720A...@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid>,
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Shakespeare was a pain who consistently failed to check his facts.
>
>
> What do facts have to do with a good story? The historical stuff is merely a
> backdrop; the themes he writes about are universal - that's why eg Kurosawa
> can set the stories in medieval Japan and make great movies out of them.
>
I agree with you on that facts can often be just the loose framework
that the story hangs on. But, many people these days assume that if it
is on TV [in a book, in a film and god forbid, in the news] then it must
be true.
My favourite example being a history lecturer - quoted in [?] the
Guardian as saying that one of his students asked if Q Elizabeth
actually met Mary Q of Scots - he replied no. Ah, she said, got you,
they did meet, it was in the film.....
David Kennedy
>
>
> Which is why Hollywood movies Must Be Banned. Think of the Children!
>
Glad to see you remembered the Capitals!
Woody
> In article <3DC6910A...@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid>,
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I agree with you on that facts can often be just the loose framework
> > that the story hangs on. But, many people these days assume that if it
> > is on TV [in a book, in a film and god forbid, in the news] then it must
> > be true.
>
> Which is why Hollywood movies Must Be Banned. Think of the Children!
I hope you are not trying to say that the americans didn't win pearl
harbour or find the enigma codes?
--
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PeterD
>
> > www.bbc.co.uk/greatbritons
>
> Good grief. What a perfectly unpleasant collection of villains, cheats,
> murderers, parasites, monsters, twisted, fucked-up, cancerous specimens.
Say what you *really* think, Daniele.
Peter Ceresole
Alan <al...@spamahart.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>The truly interesting thing about these plebiscites is not what
>> they tell us about the subjects- after all, it doesn't change my opinion
>> about any of them- but what they tell us about our fellow Brits, and to
>> what values they hold.
>
>It could alternatively be a demonstration that the great British public
>still has its sense of humour? Nah!
Nope.
--
Peter
David Kennedy
>
>
> I hope you are not trying to say that the americans didn't win pearl
> harbour or find the enigma codes?
>
I assume you've seen the Simpsons episode where Grandpa is laying out in
the sun and says "I haven't been this relaxed since I was watch
commander at Pearl Harbour'
Luke Bosman
> In message <1fl3bw3.1lwvks5g7678fN%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>, Andy Hewitt
> <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
> >Up there at the top (in no particular order), and I haven't seen the
> >official list yet.
>
> I'll plonk for Darwin - there aren't many people who can claim to have
> successfully challenged God.
Successfully? I'm sure God is not the one who insists that evolution is
a myth.
Cheers,
Luke
Andy Hewitt
> In message <1fl3bw3.1lwvks5g7678fN%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>, Andy Hewitt
> <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
> >Up there at the top (in no particular order), and I haven't seen the
> >official list yet.
>
> I'll plonk for Darwin - there aren't many people who can claim to have
> successfully challenged God.
Ah well, that all depends on whether you believe there is a God!
> >As for the bottom 10..... who knows?
>
> Shipman probably has it.
Hmmm, it could be close.
> But of those in the top 10 who ought to be in the bottom 10, then one
> could make a good case for Cromwell.
What, for creating the parliament we now have ;-)
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Andy Hewitt
> In message <1fl3di2.1ufhggr18dugkkN%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>, Andy
> Hewitt <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
> [snip]
> >> and people who have made a massive, important and worthy impact on
> >> history. And there's Princess Di.
> >
> >Indeed. A very noble person without doubt, but IMHO she didn't really
> >do as much as the others have done, over such long periods of time.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Errm, I don't think she *chose* to stop.
You do of course have a good point.
Andy Hewitt
> In message <1fl3ji8.1a34wc7abq1vmN%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>, Andy Hewitt
> <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
> >that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
> >Father-in-Law anyway).
>
> Reading the book reviews in the Economist recently, I learnt that
> Newton's famous "if I have seen further than most then it is because I
> have stood on the shoulders of giants" quote was actually a snide
> put-down referring to Hook, who was a hunchback.
My FIL has a collection of Hooks books, and it does indeed seem that
Hook did actually think of most things *before* Newton.
Andy Hewitt
> In message <1fl3ji8.1a34wc7abq1vmN%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>, Andy Hewitt
> <hairy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
> >that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
> >Father-in-Law anyway). There is little doubt that Churchill has had a
> >great influence over the way we live now (although it may be more to do
> >with the mistakes made by Hitler).
>
> A strange final sentence... isn't the same equally true of Nelson? We
> could all be speaking French now, n'est pas?
Quite so.
Andy Hewitt
> Andy Hewitt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I personally put Churchill first, and Di last. There is a possibility
> > that Newton stole a lot of his work from Robert Hook (according to my
> > Father-in-Law anyway). There is little doubt that Churchill has had a
> > great influence over the way we live now (although it may be more to do
> > with the mistakes made by Hitler).
> >
>
> Hitler did make mistakes - lucky for us - but Churchill's major
> contribution was the fact that he bullied everyone into not giving up
> and, I think this is a good thing (?), got the Merkins involved.
Indeed, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the recent drama with
Albert Finney.
Peter James
Gwynne Harper wrote:
>Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
>would you put first, and which last? It'll be fun seeing whether we
>match the final result, methinks.
>
>
>
>Gwynne
>
Not in any order of merit.
Boadicea, who made the Roman invaders tremble.
Hereward the Wake, who did the same to the Norman invaders
Chaucer, the first writer to write in English
Wat Tyler who made the so-called upper classes accept the fact that they
were not fire-proof
William Tyndale for his first translation of the Bible into English, and
whose phraseology is still in use today.
Shakespeare for his contributions to the English language.
William Pitt the Elder, who showed one could be a politician without
being a crook.
Oliver Cromwell, for his contribution to the English Monarchy.
Darwin for his contribution to science.
Brunell for being the greatest civil engineer of is age.
And at the very end of the list, trailing in the ultimate last place:-
Diana, Princess of Wales, for being stupid enough to think that
marrying an inbred idiot, was a passport to fame.
>
>
David Kennedy
>
>
> Indeed, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the recent drama with
> Albert Finney.
>
Good I thought. But I wanted part 2 ! (& 3 etc.) now we'll never know
what happened.
;-)
Andy Hewitt
> Andy Hewitt wrote:
> >
> >
> > Indeed, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the recent drama with
> > Albert Finney.
> >
>
> Good I thought. But I wanted part 2 ! (& 3 etc.) now we'll never know
> what happened.
But they *are* making them.
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Andy Hewitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Indeed, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the recent drama with
>>>Albert Finney.
>>>
>>
>>Good I thought. But I wanted part 2 ! (& 3 etc.) now we'll never know
>>what happened.
>
>
> But they *are* making them.
>
Great. It will be really good to find out what happens in the end.
And, old Albert really excelled himself for once. He did the job well,
and seemed to actually enjoy what he was doing.
Michael Haslam
Points for mentioning Babbage. I'm appalled that there has been AFAICT
no mention of Turing! Or James Joyce (if we're allowed Irish before
independence).
MJHaslam
Alan
wrote:
> Points for mentioning Babbage. I'm appalled that there has been AFAICT
> no mention of Turing! Or James Joyce (if we're allowed Irish before
> independence).
If "they" are allowing Geldorf then I think Joyce is permissible.
Peter Ceresole
>Points for mentioning Babbage. I'm appalled that there has been AFAICT
>no mention of Turing!
I've seen Turing mentioned in this connection, but I'm not sure of the
detail.
--
Peter
Andy Hewitt
> >
> > But they *are* making them.
> >
>
> Great. It will be really good to find out what happens in the end.
? :-/
> And, old Albert really excelled himself for once. He did the job well,
> and seemed to actually enjoy what he was doing.
That's probably why it was so well done.
Alan
pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:
You're all as lazy as me. Alan Turing's at number 21 and Charles Babbage
is number 80 in the top 100 at
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/greatbritons/list.shtml>
Sak Wathanasin
hairy...@yahoo.co.uk (Andy Hewitt) wrote:
> > Shipman probably has it.
>
> Hmmm, it could be close.
Nah, even counting friends and families of victims, he's made life a misery
for at most a couple of thousand people. That doesn't even get him into the
football league of bad guys.
Bruce Horrocks
<petef...@clara.co.uk> writes
>Not in any order of merit.
>
>Boadicea, who made the Roman invaders tremble.
>Hereward the Wake, who did the same to the Norman invaders
>Chaucer, the first writer to write in English
>Wat Tyler who made the so-called upper classes accept the fact that
>they were not fire-proof
>William Tyndale for his first translation of the Bible into English,
>and whose phraseology is still in use today.
>Shakespeare for his contributions to the English language.
>William Pitt the Elder, who showed one could be a politician without
>being a crook.
>Oliver Cromwell, for his contribution to the English Monarchy.
>Darwin for his contribution to science.
>Brunell for being the greatest civil engineer of is age.
I think that Fleming and Jenner (at 20 and 78 respectively) deserve to
be a little higher in the list.
Some other oddities:
- Julie Andrews gets in but Vera Lynn doesn't.
- Aleister Crowley - an occultist - but no archbishops
- Bobby Moore but not St. Thomas More
- John, Paul and George, but not Ringo
Of names that are missing altogether, how about:
- Beau Brummel for inventing male fashion?
- Alec Issigonis for making small cars cheap and fashionable?
- Adam Smith for founding modern economics?
Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire
England
b...@granby.demon.co.uk
Adrian Tuddenham
> If "they" are allowing Geldorf then I think Joyce is permissible.
Just make sure you don't get William, by mistake.
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David Kennedy
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
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>>>But they *are* making them.
>>>
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>>Great. It will be really good to find out what happens in the end.
>
>
> ? :-/
>
>
Well, don't you just hate it when you've set the video and the prog runs
late so you cut off the ending ?
This is exactly the same, I'm dying to find out what happens in the end.
Richard Lanyon
Bruce Horrocks <b...@granby.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I think that Fleming and Jenner (at 20 and 78 respectively) deserve to
> be a little higher in the list.
Fleming did absolutely none of the hard work involved in pioneering
penicillin as a drug. In fact, he did little more than discover that it
killed bacteria (accidentally) and write up the fact, not realising this
might be of any relevance to anyone. All the practical application of
the discovery was done by Howard Florey.
Charles Kooy
> In article <richard-4D0FCF...@news2.cableinet.net>,
> Bravo!
>
>
> (Yes, this is something I gripe about a lot, too. Fleming needs
> expunging.)
Yeah! Flaming Fleming. My father was a Microbacteriologist thingy and
learned the hard way that if anyone was foolish to mention Fleming a
fairly lengthy speech on Florey was on the way.
ck
Guttapercha
g.ha...@gmx.line wrote on 3/11/02 19:40:
> Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
> would you put first, and which last?
I just can't believe that Cromwell is on the list. He was a complete and
utter CUNT! Did I make that clear? A complete & utter cunt. Amazed that he's
on the list...
Of course the fact that I'm Irish has nothing to do with it ...
Guttapercha
ell...@yrl.co.uk wrote on 4/11/02 01:33:
> I went back to the hundred to find someone other
> than Darwin, Brunel and Newton who were not in show biz or famous for
> marrying or killing people.
Strange list:
James Connolly: Irish
Bob Geldof: Irish
Bono: Irish
These geezers are Celts, not Britons. Hands off our Celts!
Guttapercha
al...@spamahart.demon.co.uk wrote on 4/11/02 21:46:
> Or James Joyce (if we're allowed Irish before
>> independence).
>
> If "they" are allowing Geldorf then I think Joyce is permissible.
Hands off, you can't have Bono either. Or James Connolly.
David Kennedy
> in article 1fl37ur.js5qir727yrkN%g.ha...@gmx.line, Gwynne Harper at
> g.ha...@gmx.line wrote on 3/11/02 19:40:
>
>
>>Ok, as liberal, lefty, free-thinking Mac types, which of the top 10
>>would you put first, and which last?
>
>
> I just can't believe that Cromwell is on the list. He was a complete and
> utter CUNT! Did I make that clear? A complete & utter cunt. Amazed that he's
> on the list...
>
Richard Lanyon
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
> > Fleming did absolutely none of the hard work involved in pioneering
> > penicillin as a drug. In fact, he did little more than discover that it
> > killed bacteria (accidentally) and write up the fact, not realising this
> > might be of any relevance to anyone. All the practical application of
> > the discovery was done by Howard Florey.
> Not strictly true. Not all of the work was done by Florey. A Dutch
> company that produced yeast for baking and brewing did research into the
> use of penicillin and independently of Florey and Chain, based upon
> Fleming's original paper, they perfected commercial manufacture of
> penicillin.
Ooops! I stand corrected!
Charles Kooy
> James Connolly
Only if you promise to take Billy Connolly. As far away as possible.
ck
Alan
David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
> Yes but Diana is STILL #1.
>
> Come on guys, lets all vote for Brunel.
That's the u.c.s.m vote split nicely then. Half of us are going for
Darwin, the others for Brunel.
See, the Di fans (and I suspect there are a lot of them in spite of what
we might like to think) only have one candidate in the list. She'll win,
you mark my words!
Guttapercha
Phillips at m...@macmail.com wrote on 5/11/02 16:43:
>> James Connolly: Irish
>
> No, he was a Scot.
He was born in Edinburgh of Irish parents and lived the majority of his life
in Dublin & Ireland.
Ergo Irish.
FRANKY
Too fukin right all you britt's are murdering bastards. If it isnt the
scotish its' the irish or the paki's. ur the scum of europe, and
theire scum themselves.
but soon youl get urselves in another fight and then well have to come
and pull your sorry asses out of the fire again just like in 1941.
brit wooses. how does it feel to have ur empire walk away from you
because ur too weak!!???/?
>
>
> * is this the first case of a ghost writer ?
the best brit is a dead brit as evyone knows.
David Kennedy
>>Although I would agree that many of those included are not perfect.
>
>
> Too fukin right all you britt's are murdering bastards. If it isnt the
> scotish its' the irish or the paki's. ur the scum of europe, and
> theire scum themselves.
>
Left the computer plugged in for you did they ?
Do you imagine that anyone is going to be shocked in some way by your
childish immature prattle ? If that's what you're trying for then I'm
very sorry, you've failed.
You have revealed a lot about yourself in that sentence though.
> but soon youl get urselves in another fight and then well have to come
> and pull your sorry asses out of the fire again just like in 1941.
>
Are you pretending to be Merkin this week ? Because if you look at your
own record, the only war that you managed to win on your own was Grenada.
> brit wooses. how does it feel to have ur empire walk away from you
> because ur too weak!!???/?
>
Well, better than having to go back in and ask - as with the Philippines
- can we please come back.
>
>>
>>* is this the first case of a ghost writer ?
>
>
> the best brit is a dead brit as evyone knows.
evyone ? Is he a friend of yours ? Someone who has been filling that
delicate little scull of yours with (mis) information ?
David Kennedy
That's why I said vote for IJK.
However, it's a very sad comment on things.
David Kennedy
>
>
>
>
> Ergo Irish.
>
Look, lets keep this simple. Who's Ergo Irish for Gods sake ?
PeterD
I like to watch.
Oh no, the voices, the voices!
I have salmon for supper on Thursdays and albino buttees.
Garn, garn. Wokkin pun kindle fartoot me old tugbucket.
Warmest regards.
Pd
David Kennedy
I *thought* I remembered something.....
> From: FRANKY (fra...@altavista.co.uk)
> Subject: Exposed!
>
> View this article only
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim
> Date: 2001-12-07 14:38:25 PST
>
> OK, I'm bored of my alter-ego. It was me your favourite scientist all
> along. I did it to get a bit of traffic on the group and introduce a
> bit of controversy. Hope none of you took offense!
>
> --
> Richard P. Grant
> http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/personal/rpg/
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> Message 2 in thread
> From: Paul Frankenstein (pf@x.x
retrieved from google groups.
Andy Hewitt
> In article <1fl51ag.v5hqs4lzwlj4N%hairy...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> hairy...@yahoo.co.uk (Andy Hewitt) wrote:
>
> > > Shipman probably has it.
> >
> > Hmmm, it could be close.
>
> Nah, even counting friends and families of victims, he's made life a misery
> for at most a couple of thousand people. That doesn't even get him into the
> football league of bad guys.
Indeed. I can think of one or two that have effected millions.
Andy Hewitt
> Well, don't you just hate it when you've set the video and the prog runs
> late so you cut off the ending ?
Yes.
> This is exactly the same, I'm dying to find out what happens in the end.
But it isn't fiction!
zoara
> Would Diana have kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
She's at number one as I write. What has the world come to?
-z-
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"I was up and running in less than one day, Girl Scout's honor"
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
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>
>
>>Well, don't you just hate it when you've set the video and the prog runs
>>late so you cut off the ending ?
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>This is exactly the same, I'm dying to find out what happens in the end.
>
>
> But it isn't fiction!
>
Sorry ? What do you mean ? I still need to know the ending.
:-)
David Kennedy
> Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
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>
>>Would Diana have kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
>
>
> She's at number one as I write. What has the world come to?
>
> -z-
>
>
Vote for IKB
Andy Hewitt
> > But it isn't fiction!
> >
>
> Sorry ? What do you mean ? I still need to know the ending.
OK. I take it history isn't your strong point ;-)
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>>But it isn't fiction!
>>>
>>
>>Sorry ? What do you mean ? I still need to know the ending.
>
>
> OK. I take it history isn't your strong point ;-)
>
I just want to see how that nice Mr. Churchill gets on.
I mean to say, surly if he can win the war then the country will
probably be so grateful that they will elect him prime minister or
something.
;-}
Andy Hewitt
> >
> > OK. I take it history isn't your strong point ;-)
> >
>
> I just want to see how that nice Mr. Churchill gets on.
> I mean to say, surly if he can win the war then the country will
> probably be so grateful that they will elect him prime minister or
> something.
I see, well you never know......... ;-)
David Kennedy
>
>
>
>
> Which is obviously not me, for reasons that should be . . . obvious.
>
And they are ..... ?
;-)
Boredom is a terrible affliction.....
Mark Etherington
> zoara wrote:
> > Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
> >
> >>Would Diana have kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
> >
> > She's at number one as I write. What has the world come to?
>
> Vote for IKB
Well, you guys have been having an effect. The order is now:
Brunel, Diana, Churchill, Darwin, Shakespeare.
I'm still planning to vote for Darwin, but I could be swung towards a
'tactical' vote for Brunel.
--
Mark Etherington
ma...@roxley.co.uk
zoara
> retrieved from google groups.
Aw, spoilsport.
zoara
> brit wooses.
Lewis Carroll?
"A woose is a bit like a cross between a small leopard, and a knot that
won't stay tied" said Humpty. Alice couldn't begin to imagine what that
looked like, so she asked Humpty to explain the next word in the email
that she didn't understand. "So what does 'ur' mean?"
zoara
> zoara wrote:
> > Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Would Diana have kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
> >
> >
> > She's at number one as I write. What has the world come to?
> >
> > -z-
> >
> >
>
> Vote for IKB
I refuse to vote at all. It wouldn't be right.
zoara
> Richard P. Grant wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Which is obviously not me, for reasons that should be . . . obvious.
> >
>
> And they are ..... ?
I googled. I found.
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Richard P. Grant wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Which is obviously not me, for reasons that should be . . . obvious.
>>>
>>
>>And they are ..... ?
>
>
> I googled. I found.
>
I'm rather sorry really, perhaps I should apologize, we need a group nutter.
:-(
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>zoara wrote:
>>
>>>Gwynne Harper <g.ha...@gmx.line> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Would Diana have kissed an iMac if it got her into the paper?
>>>
>>>
>>>She's at number one as I write. What has the world come to?
>>>
>>> -z-
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Vote for IKB
>
>
> I refuse to vote at all. It wouldn't be right.
>
Gareth John
[snip]
> Some other oddities:
> - Julie Andrews gets in but Vera Lynn doesn't.
> - Aleister Crowley - an occultist - but no archbishops
Crowley invented mountaineering as a sport. That's enough reason, surely?
--
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if you want to reply by email.
David Kennedy
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
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>
>>
>
>
> Well, you guys have been having an effect. The order is now:
>
> Brunel, Diana, Churchill, Darwin, Shakespeare.
>
> I'm still planning to vote for Darwin, but I could be swung towards a
> 'tactical' vote for Brunel.
>
Do it man, do it, then we can use this as a test run for the Lib-Dems in
the next election.
David Kennedy
> Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>Some other oddities:
>>- Julie Andrews gets in but Vera Lynn doesn't.
>>- Aleister Crowley - an occultist - but no archbishops
>
>
> Crowley invented mountaineering as a sport. That's enough reason, surely?
>
>
Mountaineering is simply walking up hill. Where's the sport element ? Or
is that the bit to see who falls first ?
D.M. Procida
> *thought* I remembered something.....
>
> > From: FRANKY (fra...@altavista.co.uk)
> > Subject: Exposed!
> >
> > View this article only
> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim
> > Date: 2001-12-07 14:38:25 PST
> >
> > OK, I'm bored of my alter-ego. It was me your favourite scientist all
> > along. I did it to get a bit of traffic on the group and introduce a
> > bit of controversy. Hope none of you took offense!
> >
> > --
> > Richard P. Grant
Wow. What's happened to Richard's spelling? Like, hello?
Daniele
David Kennedy
> In article <3DC8F33E...@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid>,
> David Kennedy <david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>And they are ..... ?
>
>
>
I hadn't looked there for a looooong time.
;-)
Gareth John
[snip thread-quoting from ages ago...]
> > > OK, I'm bored of my alter-ego. It was me your favourite scientist all
> > > along. I did it to get a bit of traffic on the group and introduce a
> > > bit of controversy. Hope none of you took offense!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard P. Grant
> > > http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/personal/rpg/
> > > Group FAQ: http://www.xv.flyer.co.uk/faq.html
[snip]
>
> Which is obviously not me, for reasons that should be . . . obvious.
>
Presumably it's the incorrect spelling of 'offence', the 'bored of'
error, and the ungrammatical construction of the whole that marks it as
the work of another hand?
Guttapercha
david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid wrote on 5/11/02 18:13:
> Do you imagine that anyone is going to be shocked in some way by your
> childish immature prattle ?
Oh Man! You really shouldn't have taken the bait...
Guttapercha
david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid wrote on 5/11/02 18:16:
>> Ergo Irish.
>>
> Look, lets keep this simple. Who's Ergo Irish for Gods sake ?
:)
Ergo: therefore.
Sorry, I had elementary Latin beaten into me as a kid.
David Kennedy
> In article <3DC9013E...@btinternet.com>,
> Gareth John <g.john...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Presumably it's the incorrect spelling of 'offence', the 'bored of'
>>error, and the ungrammatical construction of the whole that marks it as
>>the work of another hand?
>
>
>
> r
>
It did the job too !
Guttapercha
Phillips at m...@macmail.com wrote on 5/11/02 20:17:
>> in Dublin & Ireland.
>
> Not exactly. Born 1868. Joined the British army and posted to Ireland, 1882.
> Fled to Scotland 1889. Returned to Dublin 1896. To USA, 1903. Returned to
> Dublin, 1910. Shot, 1916. That makes 20 years of 48 in Ireland.
OK! Point taken :)
Let me modify my statement to 'most of his adult life'.
I suppose the fact that he was executed by the British in the name of a Free
State and other things Republican would belie the fact that his sentiments
weren't exactly pro-British. I would assume that if he had been asked what
nationality he was just prior to his execution, he would've replied "Irish".
That makes him Irish, he's ours!
Best,
故