This mouse ain't magic
zoara
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
isn't it?
-z-
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Steve Hodgson
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>
> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> isn't it?
To fully appreciate the 'beauty' of this mouse have a look at the view
at <http://www.openofficemouse.com/>.
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Jim
> On 2009-11-07 00:56:05 +0000, zoara said:
>
> > http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
> >
> > That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> > isn't it?
>
> To fully appreciate the 'beauty' of this mouse have a look at the view
> at <http://www.openofficemouse.com/>.
It still uses a scroll _wheel_ I see. Fail.
Jim
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Peter Ceresole
> > It still uses a scroll _wheel_ I see. Fail.
>
> Exactly. No scroll ball? Forget it.
Terrible. You're right. It may even continue to work for some time
without having to be dismantled. Can't have that.
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Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>On 2009-11-07 00:56:05 +0000, zoara said:
>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>>
>> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
>> isn't it?
>
>To fully appreciate the 'beauty' of this mouse have a look at the view
>at <http://www.openofficemouse.com/>.
Love the mooring post on the left side. Goes with the seagulls in the
logo.
Cheers - Jaimie
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Peter Ceresole
> Love the mooring post on the left side.
ITYM the bollard?
What *does* that do, anyway?
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Andrew Collier
me...@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>
> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> isn't it?
I particularly like the way that apparently the only places you can
perform a standard left and right click are right at the very corners of
the mouse, forcing you to keep your first and second fingers about two
inches apart most of the time.
Andrew
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Ben Shimmin
Apparently it's an `analog Xbox 360-style joystick with optional 4, 8,
and 16-key command modes'.
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds terrific. Perhaps it can
be used with emacs.
b.
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Peter Ceresole
> Apparently it's an `analog Xbox 360-style joystick with optional 4, 8,
> and 16-key command modes'.
Yike.
A thumb operated wobblestick then?
Given my experience with the thumb rollerballs that my nephews have, as
in
<http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/&cl=gb,en> I
don't suppose it would be the thing for me.
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Martin-S
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
> >To fully appreciate the 'beauty' of this mouse have a look at the view
> >at <http://www.openofficemouse.com/>.
>
> Love the mooring post on the left side. Goes with the seagulls in the
> logo.
Is this a real product or perhaps just an elaborate hoax??
That image sure looks like a drawing/rendering.
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Flavio Matani
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>
> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> isn't it?
>
Nice styling, sort of Genius mouse circa 1993 or so..
You can launch, quit and modify files and applications with the same
button depending on how you press or click. And you have a good dozen
tinytiny buttons. Oh, the possibilites :D
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Rowland McDonnell
> zoara said:
>
> > http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
> >
> > That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> > isn't it?
>
> To fully appreciate the 'beauty' of this mouse have a look at the view
> at <http://www.openofficemouse.com/>.
It's a mouse for people who want a keyboard on their mouse:
"You can even use it as a number pad for fast data entry!"
1/2MB RAM, macros, profiles - /profiles/? In a *MOUSE*??? WTF? I
mean, why? You set up yer mouse on the host PC, and any `profiles'
should be stored with the user account, surely? Why has a mouse got RAM
in any case?
Madness, utter madness.
I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
Rowland.
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None of my Mighty Mice have been dismantled. One of them was replaced
under Applecare because it's impossible to dismantle for cleaning
without breaking the thing and the scroll ball wasn't working properly
due to it having got filthy inside, as is inevitable given that it's
worked by the tip of a human index finger (even when nominally clean
covered in grease and shedding dead skin and other dirt).
I've taken to use a bit of tissue paper (well, a single two-ply sheet of
loo roll most of the time, actually) over the top so I can use the mouse
without the scroll ball mechanism filling up with crap. I've got the
hang of it now - a wee bit awkward, but less so than a manky scroll
ball.
The Mighty Mouse is definitely a rip-off design intended to need
replacing frequently due to it being impossible to clean when regular
cleaning is sure to be needed to keep it working properly.
It's appalling, it really is.
Duncan Kennedy
<1j8tv3d.1pj82yq1iza7q9N%real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>,
Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> writes
>
>I've taken to use a bit of tissue paper (well, a single two-ply sheet of
>loo roll most of the time, actually) over the top so I can use the mouse
>without the scroll ball mechanism filling up with crap.
Sorry - just can't miss this. No offence but I think you're meant to
use the unused stuff.
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zoara
> I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
> hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
Except then you couldn't click and hold.
-zoara-
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Flavio Matani
> In article <1j8sd7w.175k84alz0ndsN%me...@privacy.net>,
> me...@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
>
> > http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
> >
> > That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> > isn't it?
>
> I particularly like the way that apparently the only places you can
> perform a standard left and right click are right at the very corners of
> the mouse, forcing you to keep your first and second fingers about two
> inches apart most of the time.
The idea might be that you use other combinations of fingers -maybe you
can do chords and trills on the thing?
Which reminded me, what was that PDA of the late 80s or early 90s that
had four or five input keys which you were supposed to use in
combinations, which I think they actually called 'chords'? (just to do
my little bit to bring the conversation OT...)
Pd
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>
> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
> isn't it?
At first impression I was certain it was satire, like the Microsoft
packaging for iPod. But after browsing around openofficemouse.com, I'm
sure it's for real.
What intrigues me is that they say the OOmouse is "intended to provide a
faster and more efficient user interface for OpenOffice.org applications
such as Writer", which is bizarre given that it's obviously intended to
keep your hand on the mouse as much as possible, whereas "writing" on a
computer tends to involve two hands on the keyboard. Unless they're
intending the "joystick-as-keyboard modes" to be used for text entry as
well.
I can understand using it for gesture+command based computer use, such
as gaming, Photoshop and other image manipulation, but for anything
requiring any amount of text entry I think it's going to be a while
before there's anything more efficient than the keyboard and
touch-typing. Although I'd be interested to try one of those chorded
text input gizmos like the CyKey or Twiddler.
--
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Jaimie Vandenbergh
(Flavio Matani) wrote:
>Which reminded me, what was that PDA of the late 80s or early 90s that
>had four or five input keys which you were supposed to use in
>combinations, which I think they actually called 'chords'? (just to do
>my little bit to bring the conversation OT...)
AgendA, though I think there was another device for chord-typing as
well - Microwriter? Yup, WikiPee confirms the second:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorded_keyboard
Cheers - Jaimie
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Jaimie Vandenbergh
>Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
>> hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
>
>Except then you couldn't click and hold.
Which is why click-and-hold never was the equivalent of right-click.
Click and hold sometimes triggers behaviours that are also triggered
by right-click, but the two click types are not equivalent.
Cheers - Jaimie
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Peter Ceresole
> AgendA, though I think there was another device for chord-typing as
> well - Microwriter? Yup, WikiPee confirms the second:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorded_keyboard
Yes. A colleague had one of those when it was a standalone device, which
he used as a portable text editor and note taker, and input into a CP/M
machine for printing. It worked remarkably well for him, although I
could *never* learn to use it. Instinctive it wasn't...
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Steve Hodgson
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:56:05 +0000, me...@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>>
>> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
>> isn't it?
>
> Does one type on it with both hands?
I think the idea is the mouse mat is printed with characters and you
stamp down on the want you want :)
Ben Shimmin
> On 2009-11-08 14:52:39 +0000, R said:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:56:05 +0000, me...@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>>>
>>> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
>>> isn't it?
>>
>> Does one type on it with both hands?
>
> I think the idea is the mouse mat is printed with characters and you
> stamp down on the want you want :)
Perhaps they could make a mouse mat with, say, 102 buttons on it.
They could call the buttons as `keys', and rather than `mat', they could
refer to the thing as a `board'. I don't know, it'll probably never
catch on.
Chris Ridd
> Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com>:
>> On 2009-11-08 14:52:39 +0000, R said:
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:56:05 +0000, me...@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty
>>>>
>>>> That's... kinda the opposite direction to the one that Apple takes,
>>>> isn't it?
>>>
>>> Does one type on it with both hands?
>>
>> I think the idea is the mouse mat is printed with characters and you
>> stamp down on the want you want :)
>
> Perhaps they could make a mouse mat with, say, 102 buttons on it.
> They could call the buttons as `keys', and rather than `mat', they could
> refer to the thing as a `board'. I don't know, it'll probably never
> catch on.
No, it'll never work - they'd need to do a different one for every language!
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Pd
> The CyKey is almost unusable. It's completely flat and the keys are hair
> trigger floppy. It's not like the earlier Microwriter keypads which were
> more mouse shaped with real keys. Even worse than an Agenda keyboard, I
> think.
Shame. I did think looking at it that the keys didn't look like they
would fall naturally under the fingertips.
--
Pd
Rowland McDonnell
> Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> writes
> >
> >I've taken to use a bit of tissue paper (well, a single two-ply sheet of
> >loo roll most of the time, actually) over the top so I can use the mouse
> >without the scroll ball mechanism filling up with crap.
>
> Sorry - just can't miss this. No offence but I think you're meant to
> use the unused stuff.
<heh>
Rowland McDonnell
> Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
> > hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
>
> Except then you couldn't click and hold.
Except that you're talking total bollocks.
Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about a
subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
Rowland McDonnell
> zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
> >> hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> >
> >Except then you couldn't click and hold.
>
> Which is why click-and-hold never was the equivalent of right-click.
Right click never existed. Click-and-hold triggered ctrl-click
behaviours - if you had the right bolt-on goodie.
> Click and hold sometimes triggers behaviours that are also triggered
> by right-click, but the two click types are not equivalent.
Yes indeed, because true Mac mice don't have right buttons - not /real/
Mac mice. The true Mac UI does not require a right mouse button.
Click-and-hold used to be how I got the functions that ctrl-click
activated before Apple started to supply multi-button mice, but the
bolt-on goodie which used to do that under pre OS X doesn't work under
OS X so...
Sak Wathanasin
Squirts water in your eye at the same time as shouting "April
fool!" (message is programmable, of course).
Steve Firth
> Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about a
> subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
Why should you have the monopoly on that sort of behaviour? Indeed why
should you have the monopoly on abusive fuckwitted comments?
Pd
> zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click and
> > > hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> >
> > Except then you couldn't click and hold.
>
> Except that you're talking total bollocks.
>
> Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about a
> subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
Good argument, and equally intelligent explanation. I now see that of
course you can click and hold to get click and hold as well as click and
hold to get right click. Thank you for the clarification.
So what happens when you click and hold on a file in the Finder?
Does it let you drag it somewhere, or does it pop out a context menu?
Or does it just somehow 'know' which of the two you wanted, and react
accordingly?
--
Pd
zoara
> zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click
> > > and
> > > hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> >
> > Except then you couldn't click and hold.
>
> Except that you're talking total bollocks.
>
> Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about
> a
> subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
... and then you wonder why people get wound up by your attitude.
I'm struggling to work out how you're managing to argue against this
though - isn't it obvious that if you make click-and-hold do something
else, you can no longer use click-and-hold for its original function?
Like remapping the Caps Lock key to do something else means you can no
longer use caps lock. It's obvious, so I can't work out what it is I'm
supposedly "obviously completely ignorant" about...
zoara
> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
> > zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click
> > > > and
> > >> hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> > >
> > >Except then you couldn't click and hold.
> >
> > Which is why click-and-hold never was the equivalent of right-click.
> >
>
> Right click never existed.
Yes; you should have called it "secondary click" or "alternative click"
or something. But you used the shorthand "right click"... and we all
understood what you meant.
> Click-and-hold triggered ctrl-click
> behaviours - if you had the right bolt-on goodie.
Except these bolt-on goodies didn't map a click-and-hold function onto
the right (secondary, control) click behaviour wholesale, as that would
play havoc with other click and hold functions. The obvious ones being
when you move an icon or a window, but there are others. Either these
goodies were specific about where they implemented click and hold
mapping, or they lost the subtler click and hold interactions.
> > Click and hold sometimes triggers behaviours that are also triggered
> > by right-click, but the two click types are not equivalent.
>
> Yes indeed, because true Mac mice don't have right buttons - not
> /real/
> Mac mice. The true Mac UI does not require a right mouse button.
It's Apple who decides what constitutes a "real" Mac mouse, not Rowland.
Apple have shipped their devices with a right mouse button for years
now, so "real" Mac mice do have right-click.
> Click-and-hold used to be how I got the functions that ctrl-click
> activated before Apple started to supply multi-button mice, but the
> bolt-on goodie which used to do that under pre OS X doesn't work under
> OS X so...
As Jamie says, the two click types are not always equivalent; if you use
a hack that conflates the two, that's your choice, but it doesn't make
them equivalent click types. You probably just haven't noticed the
places where they differ (and the hack doesn't conflate them) or where
you've lost functionality (where the hack does conflate them, even
though they originally did different things).
D.M. Procida
D.M. Procida
> I think the idea is the mouse mat is printed with characters and you
> stamp down on the want you want
I think we should stamp down on wants too.
Down with wants! Up with needs!
Daniele
D.M. Procida
> > Except then you couldn't click and hold.
>
> Except that you're talking total bollocks.
>
> Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about a
> subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
You feel that Z. is on the egregiously wrong side of wrong. You can
express that without being rude: "I think you are egregiously on the bad
side of egregiously wrong because..."
Daniele
Steve Firth
Stewart Smith
>
>> If you put two fingers down on the mouse and push up - that gives you
>> scroll up. Fingers move to the right, scroll right.
>
> Coo! OK - I'll have to try that and see if it's as good as having a pea.
> Thanks.
Careful with that one. Scroll is with one finger on the Magic Mouse,
two fingers left or right in a browser or iphoto will move you forwards
or backwards instead. I'm sure I found another 2 finger gesture
somewhere else that didn't seem to be documented but I can't remember it
right now.
Stewart
Pd
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Needs up, needs up, never let the breeds up,
Needs up Mother Brown!
--
Pd
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>Tim Streater wrote:
>>
>>> If you put two fingers down on the mouse and push up - that gives you
>>> scroll up. Fingers move to the right, scroll right.
>>
>> Coo! OK - I'll have to try that and see if it's as good as having a pea.
>> Thanks.
>
>Careful with that one. Scroll is with one finger on the Magic Mouse,
Whoop - sorry, I confused myself while writing about trackpads then
editing it out. Thanks for the correction.
>two fingers left or right in a browser or iphoto will move you forwards
>or backwards instead. I'm sure I found another 2 finger gesture
>somewhere else that didn't seem to be documented but I can't remember it
>right now.
Cheers - Jaimie
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Rowland McDonnell
> Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click
> > > > and hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> > >
> > > Except then you couldn't click and hold.
> >
> > Except that you're talking total bollocks.
> >
> > Why do you do that sort of thing? Come out with total bullshit about
> > a subject on which you are obviously completely ignorant?
>
> ... and then you wonder why people get wound up by your attitude.
I wonder why people feel the need to hurl personal abuse at me, yes.
> I'm struggling to work out how you're managing to argue against this
> though
I'm struggling to work out how you think that your opinion, based on
absolutely no data at all, can possibly be considered as valid when put
up against my experience of how it actually works in practice.
> - isn't it obvious that if you make click-and-hold do something
> else, you can no longer use click-and-hold for its original function?
Isn't it obvious that if you install FinderPop under MacOS 7.6.1 to make
`hold the mouse button down for a while' perform `right click', the
`hold the mouse button for immediate action' is totally and utterly
unaffected?
It *IS* obvious - because that's how it really works for real in
reality, regardless of the words and logic you're spinning.
Measurements trump any amount of wittering based on `logic' and what's
`obvious'.
> Like remapping the Caps Lock key to do something else means you can no
> longer use caps lock. It's obvious,
<sigh>
It's obvious that you're completely wrong because you're using logic
applied to flawed semantics to come up with a conclusion that's totally
and utterly at odds with the reality which I measured.
> so I can't work out what it is I'm
> supposedly "obviously completely ignorant" about...
Reality, that's what.
Rowland McDonnell
> Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
> >
> > > zoara <me...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I'm still annoyed that Apple mice aren't one button with `click
> > > > > and
> > > >> hold' for right click. That's the only proper way to do it.
> > > >
> > > >Except then you couldn't click and hold.
> > >
> > > Which is why click-and-hold never was the equivalent of right-click.
> > >
> >
> > Right click never existed.
>
> Yes; you should have called it "secondary click" or "alternative click"
> or something. But you used the shorthand "right click"... and we all
> understood what you meant.
`We all' - except for Jamie and anyone else who thinks like him, of
course...
> > Click-and-hold triggered ctrl-click
> > behaviours - if you had the right bolt-on goodie.
>
> Except these bolt-on goodies didn't map a click-and-hold function onto
> the right (secondary, control) click behaviour wholesale, as that would
> play havoc with other click and hold functions. The obvious ones being
> when you move an icon or a window, but there are others. Either these
> goodies were specific about where they implemented click and hold
> mapping, or they lost the subtler click and hold interactions.
<shrug> You take a look at the source code for the pre MacOS X
FinderPop and you tell me how it worked.
All I know is that `hold the mouse button down for a time' did give
`right click' function all the time, reliably, without getting in the
way of `hold for immediate dragging' ever.
> > > Click and hold sometimes triggers behaviours that are also triggered
> > > by right-click, but the two click types are not equivalent.
> >
> > Yes indeed, because true Mac mice don't have right buttons - not
> > /real/ Mac mice. The true Mac UI does not require a right mouse button.
>
> It's Apple who decides what constitutes a "real" Mac mouse, not Rowland.
It's a philosophical matter which can be looked at from various angles.
I would argue, for example, that the MacOS X UI isn't a true Macintosh
UI. I'd go so far as to say that what are currently called Macs aren't
really Macs at all.
> Apple have shipped their devices
Only some of them.
>with a right mouse button for years
> now, so "real" Mac mice do have right-click.
Apple's made a mistake, that's all. Apple shipped an OS for years which
required a right mouse button but a single mouse button was supplied -
that's why I got FinderPop. And it turns out that `hold for a while'
does a better job of right-clicking that an actual right mouse button.
> > Click-and-hold used to be how I got the functions that ctrl-click
> > activated before Apple started to supply multi-button mice, but the
> > bolt-on goodie which used to do that under pre OS X doesn't work under
> > OS X so...
>
> As Jamie says, the two click types are not always equivalent; if you use
> a hack that conflates the two, that's your choice, but it doesn't make
> them equivalent click types. You probably just haven't noticed the
> places where they differ (and the hack doesn't conflate them) or where
> you've lost functionality (where the hack does conflate them, even
> though they originally did different things).
You what? Not only do I not have a clue what you're on about, it's
obvious you're making far too many assumptions based on almost no data.
Never mind - just drop it, eh? You won't pay attention to me and you're
incapable of convincing me.
Rowland McDonnell
If Daniele has ever made a comment here that was either abusive or
fuckwitted, I've never seen it.
Seems to me even a casual reader of this newsgroup would have no trouble
spotting that dishonest ad hominem attacks such as your off-topic
insults in this thread are your stock in trade.
Rowland.
P.S. As for myself, my comments are not abusive as far as I can tell.
Nothing insulting about referring to bullshit as bullshit - the truth
can't be an insult. Your false allegation of what you claim are my
`abusive fuckwitted comments' is simply your usual morbid pathology -
you seem to feel a need to abuse anyone who disagrees with your
opinions.
Rowland McDonnell
From where I'm sat, that's a good deal more rude than what I posted. As
far as I'm concerned, I wasn't being remotely rude.
D.M. Procida
> > You feel that Z. is on the egregiously wrong side of wrong. You can
> > express that without being rude: "I think you are egregiously on the bad
> > side of egregiously wrong because..."
>
> From where I'm sat, that's a good deal more rude than what I posted.
I know, but it's what he'd like.
Daniele
Steve Firth
> > > Not much chance of that with you around.
> >
> > Hypocrite.
>
> If Daniele has ever made a comment here that was either abusive or
> fuckwitted, I've never seen it.
Daniele is getting on his high horse and has been sniping at me for
several weeks now. The fact that you haven't seen it means squat. You're
a fuckwit, and have been for a long time. And you constantly make
abusive fuckwitted comments then try to escape with a "who me?" and a
pretence of innocence. Still you can blame it on your self-diagnosed
mental problems, eh?
BTW Rowland McBollockBrain. Only fuckwits piss about with follow-ups as
you did. And since that's the truth, calling you a fuckwit can't be an
insult.
D.M. Procida
> Daniele is getting on his high horse and has been sniping
That used to be in the Olympics, but now all they do is stuff like
synchronised swimming and cheerleading.
Daniele
Rowland McDonnell
What I'd like is a red hot poker shoved up the arse of a good many
people in the world - but I'm not going to achieve my desire, am I?
(if only because there are so many people on my better roasted than
breathing list that it'd take more than one poker to do the job before
they died of old age)
Ian Piper
<jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> said:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:36:14 +0000, Tim Streater
> <timst...@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
>> More, perhaps, to the point, does anyone know whether the Magic Mouse
>> allows one to scroll in all directions like with the pea on the Mighty
>> Mouse (as was). People blather about gestures but I have no idea what
>> they are talking about (well, apart from the two-fingered one).
>
> Yes, with the same two-finger moves that the Mac trackpads use.
>
> Except less comfortably, you may have to let go of the mouse to do
> sideways depending on how your hand and grip work.
>
> Cheer
Interesting - on my Magic Mouse I can scroll around in all directions
with one finger. It's very easy. The two-finger swipe gesture is used
for a "next-previous" type function, such as next and previous email
message in a list.
I have been using this new mouse for a couple of weeks now and I have
only one gripe, which is the lack of a function like the click of the
scroll button (which I have got used to using for the Expos� "Show all
windows" function). So far I don't have a solution to this - as a
temporary fix I am using a screen corner to do it but I miss the quick
click.
Ian.
--
Peter Ceresole
> Yes, we all looked at that yesterday at the Apple Store, and concluded
> it's very nice. I can't justify the purchase at the moment, as SWMBO is
> happy with her MightyM and I just cleaned mine.
Indeedy. Given a good play, the Magic Mouse turned out to be very nice
indeed, provided it's handled strictly with the fingertips- especially
the moving around. So then the surface is under the fingers, rather than
the palm of the hand. Then the swipes and gestures are easy, and work
quite wel, although I'm not convinced by the two finger lateral swipe to
change pages or pictures; it's quite nice but so far only seems to work
in a restricted set of Apple applications, et alone any others.
Everything else is impressively smooth.
However... At this stage the programmability of the clicks is far too
restrictive for me. If Apple would bring out an equivalent of the
Logitech Control Centre, I'd definitely get one of those mice. But so
far, I couldn't live without my double click on right click...
--
Peter
Chris Ridd
The USB Overdrive chap was looking at adding support for the Magic Mouse.
--
Chris
Peter Ceresole
> The USB Overdrive chap was looking at adding support for the Magic Mouse.
Good. Would USB Overdrive let me assign a double click to the right
click on the MM? And is it well behaved in all other ways?
If Montalcini is involved, I'm inclined to believe it should be very
good. Wasn't he involved with the original KeyQuencer, which was one of
my favourite Classic apps?
--
Peter
Rowland McDonnell
> real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:
>
> > D.M. Procida <real-not-anti...@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > You feel that Z. is on the egregiously wrong side of wrong. You
> > > > > can express that without being rude: "I think you are egregiously
> > > > > on the bad side of egregiously wrong because..."
> > > >
> > > > From where I'm sat, that's a good deal more rude than what I posted.
> > >
> > > I know, but it's what he'd like.
> >
> > What I'd like is a red hot poker shoved up the arse of a good many
> > people in the world ...
>
> Why's that then? You normally a violent person?
I know that you're normally a vindictive shit who enjoys making snidely
dishonest derogatory remarks.
It's because you like winding up ucsm's resident loony and standing back
and laughing as he howls in pain - it's pure sadism on your part, and I
despise you for it.
Chris Ridd
> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> The USB Overdrive chap was looking at adding support for the Magic Mouse.
>
> Good. Would USB Overdrive let me assign a double click to the right
> click on the MM? And is it well behaved in all other ways?
A version that supports the MM isn't quite out yet.
He says "I've been working hard on the device and I now know how it
works. I am writing a lot of code to support it properly and I will
post a new version as soon as it is ready. Until then, please be aware
that without specific support the Magic Mouse is a two buttons mouse
with no scroll wheel. The current version of the USB Overdrive handles
it as any other mouse so you lose both the scroll wheel and the ability
to configure gestures using Apple's own drivers. The good news is that
this mouse can do a lot more than basic gestures, and I'll do my best
to make it even more magic."
--
Chris
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
Ooh, gooodie! I'll be watching for that release.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"I went to a planet where the dominant lifeform had no bilateral symmetry,
and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt." -- Eric Pivnik