RICHMAN!
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>Ahh... but if you're the boss, he has to be respectfully pissy,
>>especially if it's about job related stuff. Being pissy with the boss
>>tends to catch up to you around review time.
>Me? Pissy? I'm never anything but respectful. Right, dauna?
Oh yeah, respectful, that's what it's called...uh huh.
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Dauna Leigh Bartley
>bar...@students.uiuc.edu (Dauna Leigh Bartley) writes:
>>Alas, we've already had the performance reviews. I might have to
>>schedule another round...dark smoke-filled room, single bulb swinging
>>over head, crack of the cat...
>Wait a minute, dammit! That was *my* suggestion for the rest of the
>staff. Hmpf... just like the boss to take credit for the assistant's
>suggestion.
You know how it is...if it's a good idea, it's mine; if it's a bad idea,
it's yours.
>Besides, you know I like it when you crack that whip of yours!
Yep, you he-man-woman-haters are all alike. You all just need a strong
woman to put you in your place.
Dauna
Chris Richman
>Alas, we've already had the performance reviews. I might have to
>schedule another round...dark smoke-filled room, single bulb swinging
>over head, crack of the cat...
Wait a minute, dammit! That was *my* suggestion for the rest of the
staff. Hmpf... just like the boss to take credit for the assistant's
suggestion.
Besides, you know I like it when you crack that whip of yours!
chris
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Chris Richman
>>Me? Pissy? I'm never anything but respectful. Right, dauna?
>Oh yeah, respectful, that's what it's called...uh huh.
Eat shit, bartl... oh, wait... that's your line.
chris
amusing himself, and himself alone.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>bar...@students.uiuc.edu (Dauna Leigh Bartley) writes:
>>My brain turns
>>to jelly and the most amazing nonsense oozes out my mouth.
>turns to jelly? That implies that... aw, nevermind.
eat shit richman.
[gotta like how that just rolls off the tongue.]
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>bar...@students.uiuc.edu (Dauna Leigh Bartley) writes:
>>Now, assigning blame to my assistant for bad ideas...that's a horse of a
>>different color!
>I've never had one!
You've never had a horse? I'm so sorry. That must be very troubling
knowledge for you. I sincerely recommend counseling, or at least a
12-step program to work through the issues surrounding your pain.
"Hello, my name is Chris, and I've never had a horse."
I care,
Chris Richman
>Hey, rumor has it that Jim was out Peoria-way earlier this week. And,
>come to think of it, Chris lives out that way somewhere. Hmmmm, could
>there have been a little tete-a-tete...?
Bah. You're just jealous of Jim's and my special relationship.
chris
Peter Zurich
>Hey, rumor has it that Jim was out Peoria-way earlier this week. And,
>come to think of it, Chris lives out that way somewhere. Hmmmm, could
>there have been a little tete-a-tete...?
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Dauna Leigh Bartley
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>He's probably spanking the monkey while having netsex.
>No, Jim. I only spank it when I think of you.
>*zip*
Hey, rumor has it that Jim was out Peoria-way earlier this week. And,
come to think of it, Chris lives out that way somewhere. Hmmmm, could
there have been a little tete-a-tete...?
Dauna "Why, no, I have no life of my own. Why do you ask?" Bartley
James T Westbrook
> I remember quite well how you looked then, but as far as I know, I haven't
> seen you since. For all I know, you could have butched off your hair, or
> even painted it green.
I'd like to say: Woo woo!
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James T Westbrook
> <serious>
No WWW here.
> I suppose, but I try not to fall into that trap. It generates a lot of
> hostility between parents, and that's not particularly healthy for a
> child. I'd rather talk about "our" kid than not-so-subtly assign blame to
> the other parent for the child's poor behavior.
True. So true. Then again, any hostility people complain about to day
that occurs between their parents doesn't phase me.
> Now, assigning blame to my assistant for bad ideas...that's a horse of a
> different color!
The underling did it.
> Who said anything about *physical* strength? I'm sure your sister could
> kick my ass - my sister did it on a regular basis when I was growing up.
> And as they say, "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
Or comes back later and beats you up again on a daily basis.
James T Westbrook
> The lady may be unwise, but she is no fool! :)
Reply to that last message after a few beers. Hehe. ;)
James T Westbrook
> heh heh, not quite. Now that I think about it, my hair is basically the
> same. Hmmmm, might be time for a change. Green is a bit extreme for me,
> though. Maybe black...or red....
Dying(sp?) your red would be bad, especially since the crowd I hang with
tends to drool uncontrollably at the sight of a beautiful woman with reed
hair.
James T Westbrook
> James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> >He's probably spanking the monkey while having netsex.
>
> No, Jim. I only spank it when I think of you.
Sounds like a personal problem.
James T Westbrook
> On 12 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>
> > heh heh, not quite. Now that I think about it, my hair is basically the
> > same. Hmmmm, might be time for a change. Green is a bit extreme for me,
> > though. Maybe black...or red....
>
> Dying(sp?) your red would be bad, especially since the crowd I hang with
That should have been "... your hair red..." Damn brain. Malfunctioning
on me again.
James T Westbrook
> I'm working on my second Zima - that ought to do it. I'm not good at
> keeping secrets when I've had a few. Just ask anyone who comes to happy
> hour!
Amaretto. Mixed in a milk shake, in egg nog, with sherbert. Now that's
good booze. Meander by sometime and I'll let you smell the bottle. Ahh...
the aroma just rules. And it goes down WAY smoother than Jack Daniels.
James T Westbrook
> yeah, I know, dysfunctional is the norm these days. Everyone's got some
> reason to be in therapy. I doubt that Roxy will escape that - it's so
> fashionable. But at least I can try to maintain a semblance of
> functionality, right?
I don't think it's the norm. I think it's more along the lines that
people are discovering that beating your kid senseless for doing
something wrong is bad. Of course, telling them (the kids) that they're
worthless pieces of shit probably doesn't help matters either. What gets
me about all this sudden awareness concerning domestic violence is all
the damn disturbing commercials with the little kid listening to his
father beat his mother. To normal people, they're very disturbing. To
everybody I know who has lived through it, it causes severe flashbacks.
Hmm... I wonder if we can sue television stations for causing trauma?
> It's *always* his fault. Down to the sheer unadulterated vulgarity of
> our happy hours. It started as such innocent fun, but then he began
> buying those drinks with naughty names, and tying knots in cherry stems...
> and it was all downhill.
Sure sure.
James T Westbrook
> > I'm working on my second Zima - that ought to do it. I'm not good at
> > keeping secrets when I've had a few. Just ask anyone who comes to happy
> > hour!
>
> Nope.... not going to say it.. showing incredible self-control right
> now...:-)
Wuss.
Chris Richman
> - Tim "Guy who got paid to web-surf" Skirvin (tski...@uiuc.edu)
Hmmm.... does that make me "chris 'guy whose roommate paid him to
web-surf' richman?"
Peter Zurich
>did ya' get valet parking? my little brother might have parked your car.
No way, we were like, "Hey, we'll park our own damn car, fat dude!
I-ight! I-ight!"
James T Westbrook
> Naw.. not wuss.. still employed ;)
Let's see... Dauna gets her (cheap?) booze at Super Pantry. I work for
Super Pantry. We can refuse to sell to anybody. Hmm... ;)
howard daniel joseph
: Amaretto. Mixed in a milk shake, in egg nog, with sherbert. Now that's
: good booze. Meander by sometime and I'll let you smell the bottle. Ahh...
: the aroma just rules. And it goes down WAY smoother than Jack Daniels.
Hey, ahhhh, Jim? Are my glasses at your place? :)
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Chris Richman
>On 14 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>> Hey, rumor has it that Jim was out Peoria-way earlier this week. And,
>> come to think of it, Chris lives out that way somewhere. Hmmmm, could
>> there have been a little tete-a-tete...?
>No way. I was like in East Peoria shooting dice.
did ya' get valet parking? my little brother might have parked your car.
chris
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> > > keeping secrets when I've had a few. Just ask anyone who comes to happy
> > > hour!
> >
> > Nope.... not going to say it.. showing incredible self-control right
> > now...:-)
>
> Wuss.
Naw.. not wuss.. still employed ;)
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cooling christina el
> On 17 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>
> > yeah, I know, dysfunctional is the norm these days. Everyone's got some
> > reason to be in therapy. I doubt that Roxy will escape that - it's so
> > fashionable. But at least I can try to maintain a semblance of
> > functionality, right?
>
> I don't think it's the norm.
Psychological disorders? Actually, the DSM-IV has an estimate that
everyone in the country has at least one mental disorder. (My favorite:
caffeine intoxication!) Still, it's just an estimate, and I'm sure there
are sane people out there. Somewhere. I just don't happen to know
anyone that's sane.
I think it's more along the lines that
> people are discovering that beating your kid senseless for doing
> something wrong is bad.
Finally! My grandma used to slap my mom for saying the word "hot." Like
its a dirty word or something like that. I think that a lot of it is the
Christians in Western society influencing the culture. The problem is
that they take the Bible literally and some people actually believe that
"spare the rod and spoil the child" means that you should beat your child
into a bloody pulp for doing something wrong. While there are occasions
where a spanking (might, maybe, for something very severe) be necessary,
usually an alternative can be found. Taking away my books when I was a
kid was a very effective punishment.
Of course, telling them (the kids) that they're
> worthless pieces of shit probably doesn't help matters either.
Fuck no! Still, I think that it's the parent projecting negative
feelings onto the kid. Then the kid grows up with negative feelings and
so on and there's a whole cycle going. Sometimes the kid can break the
cycle, and thank the Goddess for that! It's happened with a lot of
people I know, so it's not a foregone conclusion that someone who was
abused as a child will abuse their children.
What gets
> me about all this sudden awareness concerning domestic violence is all
> the damn disturbing commercials with the little kid listening to his
> father beat his mother. To normal people, they're very disturbing. To
> everybody I know who has lived through it, it causes severe flashbacks.
> Hmm... I wonder if we can sue television stations for causing trauma?
I haven't seen that commercial. I have seen the married couple listening
to their neighbor beat his wife. *Very* disturbing. I think that's the
point, to disturb the normal people out of their complacency so if they
ever come across a situation like that they actually think to call the
police.
Anyway, thought I'd respond to that since we're all back after a long
break and it's probably time for another flamewar.
*goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
--Tina
howard daniel joseph
: On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, James T Westbrook wrote:
: everyone in the country has at least one mental disorder. (My favorite:
: caffeine intoxication!) Still, it's just an estimate, and I'm sure there
Wasn't there a recent study revealing that folks on caffeine were
less likely to suicide? :)
A good reason to drink coffee in the morn. :)
: Finally! My grandma used to slap my mom for saying the word "hot." Like
: its a dirty word or something like that. I think that a lot of it is the
: Christians in Western society influencing the culture. The problem is
1) Why did she slap her, we'd all like to know ...
2) Sure, blame it on the Christians ... ;)
: that they take the Bible literally and some people actually believe that
: "spare the rod and spoil the child" means that you should beat your child
: into a bloody pulp for doing something wrong. While there are occasions
Spare the rod for me means to decrease frequency of transitive
operations upon it ... spoil the child means to make it a little brat ...
how does that work into beating to a pulp, or am I missing irony here? :)
: where a spanking (might, maybe, for something very severe) be necessary,
Oooh! A spanking! And after that, the oral sex! ermm ...
: usually an alternative can be found. Taking away my books when I was a
: kid was a very effective punishment.
You must have been a real geek. ;) Most kids, I suspect, wouldn't
be so impressed ...
: I haven't seen that commercial. I have seen the married couple listening
: to their neighbor beat his wife. *Very* disturbing. I think that's the
: point, to disturb the normal people out of their complacency so if they
: ever come across a situation like that they actually think to call the
: police.
I don't wantch TV, but I get *real* annoyed at those "You're good
enough to wait for." commercials ...
Not that I disagree with the doctrine of waiting for marriage,
nor do I agree with it either. To me though, holding out STDs and
pregnancy as a reason not to have sex is entirely the wrong tack. That's
what birth control is for. That and it's little kids ... like *they* are
likely to have sex? (Yes, I know of some cases, but these are not the
norm ...) It seems like a deliberate attempt to mind-wash kids off the
mere concept of pre-marital sex. "Hey lttle kid ... you have sex, and
you'll get AIDs and pregnant and die and have a fucked up life!"
There are other reasons not to have premarital sex that have
nothing with AIDs or pregnancy, but these commercials do not address them
at all, discrediting themselves with a poor argument that can be answered
with a condom. In that way, it makes rebellious, perhaps emotionally
immature types more desirous of pre-marital sex ... these emotionally
immature types being just the sort who might have trouble reconciling
such strong emotions and whatnot, thus the commercial shoots these people
in the foot ... people have sex because in part because they want to
experience something which is made taboo based on a very poor argument.
: Anyway, thought I'd respond to that since we're all back after a long
: break and it's probably time for another flamewar.
Oh, I just went ranting. :)
: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
*falls asleep at work*
Chris Richman
>cooling christina el (coo...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, James T Westbrook wrote:
>: everyone in the country has at least one mental disorder. (My favorite:
>: caffeine intoxication!) Still, it's just an estimate, and I'm sure there
> Wasn't there a recent study revealing that folks on caffeine were
>less likely to suicide? :)
women on caffeine, actually. However, it was very likely skewed. One of
the things psychiatrists tell clinically depressed people when the issue
medication is to stop consuming cafffeine. Consequently, very few
clinically depressed people consume caffeine, thus few people who consume
caffeine commit suicide.
>: where a spanking (might, maybe, for something very severe) be necessary,
> Oooh! A spanking! And after that, the oral sex! ermm ...
you had a much better childhood than I, apparently.
> Not that I disagree with the doctrine of waiting for marriage,
>nor do I agree with it either. To me though, holding out STDs and
>pregnancy as a reason not to have sex is entirely the wrong tack. That's
>what birth control is for. That and it's little kids ... like *they* are
>likely to have sex? (Yes, I know of some cases, but these are not the
>norm ...) It seems like a deliberate attempt to mind-wash kids off the
>mere concept of pre-marital sex. "Hey lttle kid ... you have sex, and
>you'll get AIDs and pregnant and die and have a fucked up life!"
I think it's a bigger problem for little kids, when they do, though and
thats' why they're targetting them. High schoolers know better, they
just make the wrong decisions sometimes. Some 13 and 14 year olds might
just not know any better.
>in the foot ... people have sex because in part because they want to
>experience something which is made taboo based on a very poor argument.
true. I'm not defending the ads. It hink they're kinda stupid and
probably don't stop anyone. It's hard to explain many real reasons not
to have pre-marital sex in a 30 sec spot, though. (Too bad parents don't
talk to their kids anymore. I think we have the same problem with drug
ads. Kids watch them and think to themselves, "bullshit" and then they
go out and try it because 1) it's taboo and 2) they know they're being
lied to (it's hard for them to buy the "users are loser" line when the
president smoked pot. Well, then again....)
>: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
> *falls asleep at work*
*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
named after him*
Chris Richman
>Super Pantry. We can refuse to sell to anybody. Hmm... ;)
And if I'm not mistaken, she told me that you sold to her even when she
was with her underage friend (her daughter) which, if I'm not mistaken,
would be in direct violation of Super Pantry policy and perhaps
applicable state laws.
Tim Skirvin
>Psychological disorders? Actually, the DSM-IV has an estimate that
>everyone in the country has at least one mental disorder.
Only one?
Seriously, it's time people started realizing that being a bit
wierd isn't something to be upset about. We've all got our quirks; some
of us are just a bit more happy about showing them off.
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Tim Skirvin
>>: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
>> *falls asleep at work*
>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
>named after him*
Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts. news.admin.
net-abuse.misc has a few long-running threads right now with my name in
it; I'm not sure where all the Boursy/Grubor threads of "Censor Tiny
Timmy" are living, but they're all over the place. I think there's some
in alt.usenet.kooks, too, but I'm not sure. I wonder if "Cabal Cesspool
(Specimin Skirvin)" is still around...
Oh, and if somebody would like one of them, they're more than
welcome to take one. I'm sick of them. It's hard to make people ignore
Grubor when they're trying to defend you (and you're telling them to stop
it, since it's all too annoying...)
cooling christina el
> cooling christina el <coo...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> >Psychological disorders? Actually, the DSM-IV has an estimate that
> >everyone in the country has at least one mental disorder.
>
> Only one?
AT LEAST one. :)
> Seriously, it's time people started realizing that being a bit
> wierd isn't something to be upset about. We've all got our quirks; some
> of us are just a bit more happy about showing them off.
Yes, I know that, but there are those who aren't just a bit weird, but
are suicidal/homicidal and all that. Still, I do agree, the APA is going
a bit far with mental disorders...oddness can be a good thing, and
"caffeine intoxication" is WAAAAY too much!
--Tina
Peter Zurich
>>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
>>named after him*
> Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
>after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts.
I think nobody will dispute my position that you are a fucking dorq.
Tim Skirvin
>>>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
>>>named after him*
>> Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
>>after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts.
>I think nobody will dispute my position that you are a fucking dorq.
You also think that every female can be vagin...
(Oh Gods, I'm bringing that up again. Dammit. Sorry, all.)
howard daniel joseph
: > Hey, ahhhh, Jim? Are my glasses at your place? :)
: Nope. You left wearing them.
I found them in my coat. I was very dazed Monday ...
howard daniel joseph
: tski...@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) writes:
: > Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
: >after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts.
: I think nobody will dispute my position that you are a fucking dorq.
In the Immortal words of Erise;
"That was so funny when I read it. I don't know why it was funny,
but it took a whole load of little men in white cvoats to sedate me after
reading it."
You put it well Pete, but you missp[ellid "dorque"
howard daniel joseph
: pzu...@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Peter Zurich) writes:
: >I think nobody will dispute my position that you are a fucking dorq.
: You also think that every female can be vagin...
: (Oh Gods, I'm bringing that up again. Dammit. Sorry, all.)
I think that Tim should be vaginally fisted. :)
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>Let's see... Dauna gets her (cheap?) booze at Super Pantry. I work for
>Super Pantry. We can refuse to sell to anybody. Hmm... ;)
You do and I'll sue! I'll take my business elsewhere! I'll haul your
sorry ass outside and kick your butt across the parking lot! I'll...
er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
Dauna
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Dauna Leigh Bartley
>djho...@students.uiuc.edu (howard daniel joseph) writes:
>> Wasn't there a recent study revealing that folks on caffeine were
>>less likely to suicide? :)
>women on caffeine, actually. However, it was very likely skewed. One of
>the things psychiatrists tell clinically depressed people when the issue
>medication is to stop consuming cafffeine. Consequently, very few
>clinically depressed people consume caffeine, thus few people who consume
>caffeine commit suicide.
Nice critical analysis, richman! I wish you had taken my public speaking
class - it's rather difficult to teach that critical ability to a bunch
of naive, trusting first-years. I needed a real cynic in the class.
But before tossing the study entirely, I'd read it first. I can't say
without having read it, but controlling for such contaminating variables
is pretty standard. Rather than the study being skewed, I'd lay money on
the press reporting the 'results' incorrectly/sensationally. That's also
pretty standard.
>>: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
>> *falls asleep at work*
>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
>named after him*
*rather pleased that she is the mother of the aforementioned*
dauna
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>> Dauna "Why, no, I have no life of my own. Why do you ask?" Bartley
>Hmm... so does the cheap beer compensate for this lack in your life? Tell
>me about your mother. ;)
it's NOT cheap beer, dammit! so it's not the expensive, beer-snob
stuff; at least it's not Old Swillwaukee or that crap Dog Style or
whatever chicagoans call it! and leave my mother out of this! She
doesn't even LIKE beer! (' course, she drank cold duck while i was
growing up, so you might be on to something here after all...)
Dauna
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>cric...@students.uiuc.edu (Chris Richman) writes:
>>>: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
>>> *falls asleep at work*
>>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
>>named after him*
> Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
>after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts.
awww, c'mon Tim, give chris a break. He has so little...let him have his
little joys in life.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>Finally! My grandma used to slap my mom for saying the word "hot." Like
>its a dirty word or something like that. I think that a lot of it is the
>Christians in Western society influencing the culture. The problem is
>that they take the Bible literally and some people actually believe that
>"spare the rod and spoil the child" means that you should beat your child
>into a bloody pulp for doing something wrong. While there are occasions
>where a spanking (might, maybe, for something very severe) be necessary,
>usually an alternative can be found. Taking away my books when I was a
>kid was a very effective punishment.
Usually reads always for me. IMHO, when a parent resorts to violence
(spanking etc) it means that the *parent* needs a time-out. I've never,
and I mean NEVER, seen a slap or spanking that wasn't done out of
frustration and loss of control on the parent's part. Violence in any
form might stop the behavior in the short run, but in the long run it
teaches that 1) might makes right and 2) you don't really need to listen
unless you get slapped.
You're right. Taking away what the child wants is usually effective
enough punishment. It teaches the child that actions have consequences -
that whole silly "individual responsibility" thing.
Peter Zurich
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>Let's see... Dauna gets her (cheap?) booze at Super Pantry. I work for
>>Super Pantry. We can refuse to sell to anybody. Hmm... ;)
>You do and I'll sue! I'll take my business elsewhere! I'll haul your
>sorry ass outside and kick your butt across the parking lot! I'll...
>er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
Testosterone problems, eh?
howard daniel joseph
: cric...@students.uiuc.edu (Chris Richman) writes:
: >>: *goes to her room and waits for fire to envelop her*
: >> *falls asleep at work*
: >*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
: >named after him*
: *rather pleased that she is the mother of the aforementioned*
*rather shocked that Dauna is Chris' mother*
;)
Chris Richman
>I've never,
>and I mean NEVER, seen a slap or spanking that wasn't done out of
>frustration and loss of control on the parent's part.
you haven't looked very hard. Many parents simply aren't educated that
this is an inappropriate means of punishment.
howard daniel joseph
: (spanking etc) it means that the *parent* needs a time-out. I've never,
My mom's policy was that corporal punishment was dead wrong, but
deserved the right to give us a good smack on rare occassions to express
the fact that she was very upset over something we did. If mom had to use
her hand it meant that something was very wrong, and being smacked was
meant to reflect that and not to indicate that mom was a raging psycopath.
We had an understanding based on good communication see? ;)
: teaches that 1) might makes right and 2) you don't really need to listen
: unless you get slapped.
1) Might indicated that things were really bad off. 2) If you're
not listening, you really should be, because things have goten really bad
off. Such a practice, occasioned only rarely, was meant as a wake-up call
to both prties. :)
: You're right. Taking away what the child wants is usually effective
: enough punishment. It teaches the child that actions have consequences -
: that whole silly "individual responsibility" thing.
Individua;l responsibility is cool, until you fuck up real
big-time like .. ;)
cgurney
::Dauna Leigh Bartley (bar...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
:: *rather pleased that she is the mother of the aforementioned*
: *rather shocked that Dauna is Chris' mother*
Hmm...
Now I know how he got that assistant position.
--chris
Chris Richman
>Nice critical analysis, richman!
why thank you.
>I wish you had taken my public speaking
>class
heh heh, I wish I had, too. I would have had *fun* with you.
>But before tossing the study entirely, I'd read it first. I can't say
>without having read it, but controlling for such contaminating variables
>is pretty standard. Rather than the study being skewed, I'd lay money on
>the press reporting the 'results' incorrectly/sensationally. That's also
>pretty standard.
true, it should be standard, but I don't htink it was done in this
study. I haven't read the study entirely, but I've seen parts of it and
we discussed it in class.
James T Westbrook
> tski...@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) writes:
>
> >>*awfully darned proud to have the longest running currently active thread
> >>named after him*
>
> > Big deal. I had about five threads on uiuc.org.observer named
> >after me and discussing me, all within the first 100 posts.
>
> I think nobody will dispute my position that you are a fucking dorq.
I second that.
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James T Westbrook
> it's NOT cheap beer, dammit! so it's not the expensive, beer-snob
It's in abig 40+ ounce bottle and costs under 3 bucks sold at a gas
station. Doesn't get any cheaper. Give me a dollar
and I'll cut off the blood circulation to your brain or let you sniff the
white out we have behind the counter. ;) That and beer tastes like
piss. Get some amaretto. Don't make me get you a gift certificate to Osco
Drug or Meijer or some other place that sells the good stuff.
> stuff; at least it's not Old Swillwaukee or that crap Dog Style or
> whatever chicagoans call it! and leave my mother out of this! She
Yeah... I'll give you that. You're not drinking Beast either.
> doesn't even LIKE beer! (' course, she drank cold duck while i was
> growing up, so you might be on to something here after all...)
Hehe...
Chris Richman
>awww, c'mon Tim, give chris a break. He has so little...let him have his
>little joys in life.
Yeah, look at the boss I have to put up with on a daily basis.
Chris Richman
>: *rather pleased that she is the mother of the aforementioned*
> *rather shocked that Dauna is Chris' mother*
I was a touch surprised myself.
We're an incestuous lot, here at RSC, though.
James T Westbrook
> You assume that "a slap or spanking" is an inappropriate means of
> punishment. Who the hell made you the one to judge how parents
> discipline their children?
Damnit Pete... physical assault teaches nothing.
James T Westbrook
> Oh Christ, if psychology was worth more than two shits out of my own ass,
> I might laugh at this.
Hey... I was contemplating it as a major. :p
James T Westbrook
> And if I'm not mistaken, she told me that you sold to her even when she
> was with her underage friend (her daughter) which, if I'm not mistaken,
> would be in direct violation of Super Pantry policy and perhaps
> applicable state laws.
The young one showed valid id on previous occasions. :p That and anybody
who likes Barney shouldn't be hindered from purchasing booze.
James T Westbrook
> James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> >Let's see... Dauna gets her (cheap?) booze at Super Pantry. I work for
> >Super Pantry. We can refuse to sell to anybody. Hmm... ;)
>
> You do and I'll sue! I'll take my business elsewhere! I'll haul your
> sorry ass outside and kick your butt across the parking lot! I'll...
Ask yourself one question: who would enjoy that ass kicking more... you
or me?
> er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
Sure sure. Richman did it. Stole your account and forged a post.
James T Westbrook
> You're right. Taking away what the child wants is usually effective
> enough punishment. It teaches the child that actions have consequences -
> that whole silly "individual responsibility" thing.
It also teaches the kids not to get caught.
James T Westbrook
> you haven't looked very hard. Many parents simply aren't educated that
> this is an inappropriate means of punishment.
Well let's see... if I were to hit another adult for doing something
wrong, it's assault and battery. What the hell is the difference between
an adult and their child. Parent does not equate to ownership.
James T Westbrook
> djho...@students.uiuc.edu (howard daniel joseph) writes:
> >Dauna Leigh Bartley (bar...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
> >: *rather pleased that she is the mother of the aforementioned*
> > *rather shocked that Dauna is Chris' mother*
>
> I was a touch surprised myself.
>
> We're an incestuous lot, here at RSC, though.
"If you can't keep it in the pants, at least keep it in the family."
--Shari Lawler
Chris Richman
>You assume that "a slap or spanking" is an inappropriate means of
>punishment. Who the hell made you the one to judge how parents
>discipline their children?
I'm a senior in developmental psychology. Please don't make me quote
research. I have sooooo many better things to do. If you'd like I guess
I could recommend some books or something. You'd really do better to go
to the Education and Social Science library in the main library, get on
PsycLit and do a search for the applicable studies. If ya' need help, let
me know, but it's a pretty easy interface.
>Oh BTW I also retch at the 918758th misuse of the verb 'to educate'
>in this newsgroup.
Retch if you feel the need. If parents spent half as much time learning
how to raise kids as they spend sitting in front of the TV, etc., we
wouldn't have nearly as many problems as we do.
Shawn D. McPeek
>I'm a senior in developmental psychology. Please don't make me quote
>research. I have sooooo many better things to do. If you'd like I guess
>I could recommend some books or something. You'd really do better to go
>to the Education and Social Science library in the main library, get on
>PsycLit and do a search for the applicable studies. If ya' need help, let
>me know, but it's a pretty easy interface.
Oh Christ, if psychology was worth more than two shits out of my own ass,
Peter Zurich
>>I've never,
>>and I mean NEVER, seen a slap or spanking that wasn't done out of
>>frustration and loss of control on the parent's part.
>you haven't looked very hard. Many parents simply aren't educated that
>this is an inappropriate means of punishment.
You assume that "a slap or spanking" is an inappropriate means of
punishment. Who the hell made you the one to judge how parents
discipline their children?
Oh BTW I also retch at the 918758th misuse of the verb 'to educate'
in this newsgroup.
--
Peter Zurich
>On 22 Mar 1996, Peter Zurich wrote:
>> You assume that "a slap or spanking" is an inappropriate means of
>> punishment. Who the hell made you the one to judge how parents
>> discipline their children?
>Damnit Pete... physical assault teaches nothing.
Maybe if you're _stupid_.
Put it this way, if I whack my dog every time it jumps up on me,
it damn right stops jumping up before too long.
So unless your children are stupider than my border collie, I
maintain that "assault," as you so objectively put it, _does_ teach.
Peter Zurich
>I'm a senior in developmental psychology. Please don't make me quote
>research. I have sooooo many better things to do. If you'd like I guess
>I could recommend some books or something. You'd really do better to go
>to the Education and Social Science library in the main library, get on
>PsycLit and do a search for the applicable studies. If ya' need help, let
>me know, but it's a pretty easy interface.
So what, I'm a senior in computer science, it doesn't mean I know
jack shit about computers OR science.
howard daniel joseph
: Oh Christ, if psychology was worth more than two shits out of my own ass,
: I might laugh at this.
What's this I smell but a psycology flame-war? Should be
interesting ... :)
howard daniel joseph
: Well let's see... if I were to hit another adult for doing something
: an adult and their child. Parent does not equate to ownership.
In some countries and time periods ... :)
Chris Richman
>Oh Christ, if psychology was worth more than two shits out of my own ass,
>I might laugh at this.
As usual, we can't have a discussion around here. Someone always has to
get to name calling. Go the library, shawn. look up the research, then
come back here and explain its faults to me.
Your broad meaningless statements add little to this group.
Chris Richman
>The young one showed valid id on previous occasions. :p That and anybody
>who likes Barney shouldn't be hindered from purchasing booze.
Anyone who likes Barney has already had *more* than her fair share, I think.
Chris Richman
>It's in abig 40+ ounce bottle and costs under 3 bucks sold at a gas
>station. Doesn't get any cheaper. Give me a dollar
Dauna's sucking on the big four-oh? Holy shit.
Chris Richman
>On 21 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>> er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
>Sure sure. Richman did it. Stole your account and forged a post.
dammit. caught again.
Chris Richman
>> you haven't looked very hard. Many parents simply aren't educated that
>> this is an inappropriate means of punishment.
>Well let's see... if I were to hit another adult for doing something
>wrong, it's assault and battery. What the hell is the difference between
>an adult and their child. Parent does not equate to ownership.
I agree whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, the courts give children very
few rights. They're too afraid to offend a few parents, that they no
longer protect children, despite the fact that they're citizens, too.
True, no one can tell you how to raise your kids, but as you said...
assault is assault.
Chris Richman
>"If you can't keep it in the pants, at least keep it in the family."
>--Shari Lawler
damn straight. incest is best, put your sister to the test. Hmmmm...
If dauna's my RSC mother, I wonder who my RSC sister is....
Chris Richman
>> I might laugh at this.
I spent two years in CS and two in psych. Makes for an interesting
perspective, anyway.
howard daniel joseph
: Put it this way, if I whack my dog every time it jumps up on me,
: it damn right stops jumping up before too long.
It becomes neurotic and pisses on your foot instead.
True experience.
: So unless your children are stupider than my border collie, I
: maintain that "assault," as you so objectively put it, _does_ teach.
Carrots before sticks, unless you're white trash[tm]
Chris Richman
>>Damnit Pete... physical assault teaches nothing.
>Maybe if you're _stupid_.
>Put it this way, if I whack my dog every time it jumps up on me,
>it damn right stops jumping up before too long.
>So unless your children are stupider than my border collie, I
>maintain that "assault," as you so objectively put it, _does_ teach.
No, Pete's absolutely right. It does teach. It teaches that violence is
the best solution to problems. It teaches children to fear their
parents. It teaches, as Jim pointed out, that might makes right. It
conditions them to accept and engage in aggressive behavior. Perhaps
most importantly, as you point out so clearly, it treats them like dogs.
If you grow up with your parents treating you like a dog, your sense of
self-worth drops to about that level.
It does teach, it's just a question of what.
Chris Richman
>So what, I'm a senior in computer science, it doesn't mean I know
>jack shit about computers OR science.
Study harder. When I was a sophomore in CS I knew about both.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>bar...@students.uiuc.edu (Dauna Leigh Bartley) writes:
>>er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
>Testosterone problems, eh?
hmm, I think I need to shave again. You know how fast that facial hair
grows...
--
Dauna L. Bartley | | My opinions only
Grad Student, Speech Comm | bar...@uiuc.edu | *sound* official,
Education Coordinator, RSC | | they aren't really.
Shawn D. McPeek
>pzu...@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Peter Zurich) writes:
>>So what, I'm a senior in computer science, it doesn't mean I know
>>jack shit about computers OR science.
>Study harder. When I was a sophomore in CS I knew about both.
As usual, we can't have a discussion around here. Someone always has to
get to name calling.
Your broad meaningless (and wrong) statements add little to this group.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>Well let's see... if I were to hit another adult for doing something
>>wrong, it's assault and battery. What the hell is the difference between
>>an adult and their child. Parent does not equate to ownership.
>I agree whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, the courts give children very
>few rights. They're too afraid to offend a few parents, that they no
>longer protect children, despite the fact that they're citizens, too.
>True, no one can tell you how to raise your kids, but as you said...
>assault is assault.
Similar to the problems faced by advocates for battered women in the
past. After all, a man's home was his castle, right? It took a lot of loud
talk to make people realize that wives did *indeed* have the right to equal
protection under the law, that husbands should not be allowed to abuse
and assault them. Even now, when laws have caught up, attitudes are
often still lagging. It might take the same kind of loud, offensive
campaign on the part of children's rights to make many people think of
their children as more than just their property.
Dauna
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>bar...@students.uiuc.edu (Dauna Leigh Bartley) writes:
>>I wish you had taken my public speaking
>>class
>heh heh, I wish I had, too. I would have had *fun* with you.
you rebel. I probably would have had to fail your ass for poor attendance.
>>But before tossing the study entirely, I'd read it first. I can't say
>>without having read it, but controlling for such contaminating variables
>>is pretty standard.
>true, it should be standard, but I don't htink it was done in this
>study. I haven't read the study entirely, but I've seen parts of it and
>we discussed it in class.
I stand corrected. Sit, actually.
[now where have i heard that before...?]
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>cric...@students.uiuc.edu (Chris Richman) writes:
>>you haven't looked very hard. Many parents simply aren't educated that
>>this is an inappropriate means of punishment.
>You assume that "a slap or spanking" is an inappropriate means of
>punishment. Who the hell made you the one to judge how parents
>discipline their children?
In a reaction worthy of soc.women, she spits:
Sounds like Pete would like to see a return to the days of "Who are you
to judge how a man disciplines his wife?"
Luckily, society as a whole has decided that family violence is not
acceptable and should not remain a "private" matter. And let's not
forget that "punishment" and "discipline" are two different things. If
parents really did discipline their children, the kids would need to be
punished much less often.
>Oh BTW I also retch at the 918758th misuse of the verb 'to educate'
>in this newsgroup.
Nothing wrong with that verb. In fact, it's quite appropriate, whether
you dislike it or not. Perhaps you would prefer the word "disciplined,"
though: many parents are not disciplined enough to avoid such an
inappropriate means of punishment.
Dauna
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>Retch if you feel the need. If parents spent half as much time learning
>how to raise kids as they spend sitting in front of the TV, etc., we
>wouldn't have nearly as many problems as we do.
This actually raises an entirely different issue for me: the cultural
devaluation of education. Sure, everyone talks about the importance of
finishing high school and/or going to college in order to "make something
of yourself," but that's not education. That's vocational training.
Generally, our attitude toward education per se is less than
enthusiastic. "Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten."
Kids learn very early on that learning is something they have to do in
school, not at home on their own simply to better themselves. Maybe it
is related to the widespread institutionalization of education -
relocating the task of educating the population to schools and teachers,
and essentially lifting that burden off of the parents entirely.
Learning becomes an institutionalized process/task, rather than a
personal search for self improvement. As such, why on earth would you
learn anything about parenting unless somebody required you to take a
class on it? And why would you even consider learning anything about
sexual harassment or assault unless somebody mandated an 8 week course?
But that's another issue.
Just rambling for a moment on a topic that struck me.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>On 20 Mar 1996, Chris Richman wrote:
>> And if I'm not mistaken, she told me that you sold to her even when she
>> was with her underage friend (her daughter) which, if I'm not mistaken,
>> would be in direct violation of Super Pantry policy and perhaps
>> applicable state laws.
>The young one showed valid id on previous occasions. :p That and anybody
>who likes Barney shouldn't be hindered from purchasing booze.
hey! Barney's my friend! <hick!>
howard daniel joseph
: cric...@students.uiuc.edu (Chris Richman) writes:
: >Study harder. When I was a sophomore in CS I knew about both.
: Yea, when I was a sophomore, I was the smartest guy in the world too.
Ahhh, when I was a CS sophomore ... er wait, I *am* a CS
sophomore ... or at least a sophomore in CS, really this is my first
CSemester ...
They're doing Romeo and Julieete in the hall outside 1110DCL in
an Indian accent!
Wild man ...
When I was a CS sophomore, I had full financial aid and *still*
worked 22 hours / week for the CS department! :)
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>On 21 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>> it's NOT cheap beer, dammit! so it's not the expensive, beer-snob
>It's in abig 40+ ounce bottle and costs under 3 bucks sold at a gas
>station. Doesn't get any cheaper. Give me a dollar
>and I'll cut off the blood circulation to your brain or let you sniff the
>white out we have behind the counter. ;)
Ooooo, white out....and how about some of that ditto machine fluid?!?
>Get some amaretto. Don't make me get you a gift certificate to Osco
>Drug or Meijer or some other place that sells the good stuff.
I *do* happen to drink good stuff, too, ya know. Wine and champagne, good
scotch, brandy, various liquors and mixed drinks. I'm not a *complete*
barbarian. I simply like a variety of things.
Now, get off my case! [so to speak]
Dauna
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>On 21 Mar 1996, Dauna Leigh Bartley wrote:
>> You do and I'll sue! I'll take my business elsewhere! I'll haul your
>> sorry ass outside and kick your butt across the parking lot! I'll...
>Ask yourself one question: who would enjoy that ass kicking more... you
>or me?
You know, Jim, sometimes you frighten me... ;)
>> er..uh..sorry, the testosterone took over again. damned Usenet...
>Sure sure. Richman did it. Stole your account and forged a post.
So *that's* how i ended up subscribed to all those nasty newsgroups!!!
Chris Richman
>"Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten."
I've always thought of this as being a sort of a sad statement. A lot of
people really do quit learning about then, though.
>Kids learn very early on that learning is something they have to do in
>school, not at home on their own simply to better themselves. Maybe it
>is related to the widespread institutionalization of education -
I think it is largely. Geez, dauna, they'll never let you out of this
place. What kind of liberal are you? Sounding more and more libertarian
every day, if you ask me.
>And why would you even consider learning anything about
>sexual harassment or assault unless somebody mandated an 8 week course?
>But that's another issue.
Don't get me started on that bitch....
:)
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>The young one showed valid id on previous occasions. :p That and anybody
>>who likes Barney shouldn't be hindered from purchasing booze.
>Anyone who likes Barney has already had *more* than her fair share, I think.
Ahhh, yes, I love that guy. I watch him every morning. And what do you
think I put in my coffee...? <hick!> <giggle>
Peter Zurich
>pzu...@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Peter Zurich) writes:
>>So what, I'm a senior in computer science, it doesn't mean I know
>>jack shit about computers OR science.
>Study harder. When I was a sophomore in CS I knew about both.
Yea, when I was a sophomore, I was the smartest guy in the world too.
--
Peter Zurich
>No, Pete's absolutely right. It does teach. It teaches that violence is
>the best solution to problems. It teaches children to fear their
>parents. It teaches, as Jim pointed out, that might makes right. It
>conditions them to accept and engage in aggressive behavior.
Says who? My dog isn't violent. It doesn't fear me. And it doesn't
engage in aggressive behavior.
I guess you're children really _are_ stupider than my dog.
Chris Richman
>cric...@students.uiuc.edu (Chris Richman) writes:
>>Study harder. When I was a sophomore in CS I knew about both.
>As usual, we can't have a discussion around here. Someone always has to
>get to name calling.
>Your broad meaningless (and wrong) statements add little to this group.
No, shawn. Pete said he was a senior in CS and knew nothing about
computers or science. If this is true (and frankly, i doubt it) than I
think studying harder would be good advice. He's had to take two sem's
of chemistry and 3 of physics. If he was paying attention and studying,
he should have a pretty firm grasp of scientific process by now.
And he's had to take dozens of hours of CS classes. If he spends
anywhere near as much time as I did on them, he should have a pretty firm
grasp of computers.
Chris Richman
>you rebel. I probably would have had to fail your ass for poor attendance.
well, there is that.
>I stand corrected. Sit, actually.
> [now where have i heard that before...?]
Oh, I dunno. You say the first part a lot when we have political
discussions :)
Peter Zurich
>This actually raises an entirely different issue for me: the cultural
>devaluation of education. Sure, everyone talks about the importance of
>finishing high school and/or going to college in order to "make something
>of yourself," but that's not education. That's vocational training.
>Generally, our attitude toward education per se is less than
>enthusiastic. "Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten."
>Kids learn very early on that learning is something they have to do in
>school, not at home on their own simply to better themselves. Maybe it
>is related to the widespread institutionalization of education -
>relocating the task of educating the population to schools and teachers,
>and essentially lifting that burden off of the parents entirely.
>Learning becomes an institutionalized process/task, rather than a
>personal search for self improvement. As such, why on earth would you
>learn anything about parenting unless somebody required you to take a
>class on it? And why would you even consider learning anything about
>sexual harassment or assault unless somebody mandated an 8 week course?
>But that's another issue.
>Just rambling for a moment on a topic that struck me.
I like would have read this if there were some paragraphs or something,
and maybe a few less words.
Peter Zurich
>Now, get off my case! [so to speak]
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Chris Richman
>It might take the same kind of loud, offensive
>campaign on the part of children's rights to make many people think of
>their children as more than just their property.
The problem is, who's going to do it. Women stood up for themselves.
Society isn't set up such that children can do that. Granted, it wasn't
really set up for women to do it either. But, I can't quite pictures
thousands of three year olds marching in the streets.
Dauna Leigh Bartley
>James T Westbrook <ne...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>On 21 Mar 1996, Chris Richman wrote:
>>> We're an incestuous lot, here at RSC, though.
>>"If you can't keep it in the pants, at least keep it in the family."
>>--Shari Lawler
>damn straight. incest is best, put your sister to the test. Hmmmm...
>If dauna's my RSC mother, I wonder who my RSC sister is....
oh, as though you haven't already..um..'tested' one of your RSC sisters..
Chris Richman
>I *do* happen to drink good stuff, too, ya know. Wine and champagne, good
>scotch, brandy, various liquors and mixed drinks. I'm not a *complete*
>barbarian. I simply like a variety of things.
But you should see her put away the Icehouse at happy hours. It's a
sight to see.
Chris Richman
>So *that's* how i ended up subscribed to all those nasty newsgroups!!!
As if you weren't *already* subscribed to alt.sex.bondage.
Chris Richman
>oh, as though you haven't already..um..'tested' one of your RSC sisters..
Hmmm... yes, I suppose that would qualify as an RSC sister, wouldn't it?
Peter Zurich
>No, shawn. Pete said he was a senior in CS and knew nothing about
>computers or science. If this is true (and frankly, i doubt it) than I
>think studying harder would be good advice. He's had to take two sem's
>of chemistry and 3 of physics. If he was paying attention and studying,
>he should have a pretty firm grasp of scientific process by now.
>And he's had to take dozens of hours of CS classes. If he spends
>anywhere near as much time as I did on them, he should have a pretty firm
>grasp of computers.
Heh-heh. "firm grasp".
Chris Richman
>Says who? My dog isn't violent. It doesn't fear me. And it doesn't
>engage in aggressive behavior.
your dog doesn't have the cognitive abilities that your child will. A
smack on the ass might be the only thing your dog can understand. In
fact, the langauge barier makes anything else pretty difficult.
Children, however, aren't that way.
Apples and oranges, bigguy. Try again.
>I guess you're children really _are_ stupider than my dog.
Thankfully, I have no children at this point.