Metasynth and Logic 9.0.2
William Pura
I am new user for Metasynth and am used to working in Apple's Logic. I
have MS 5 working now but I notice that it does not show up in any of
the options within Logic. Is it possible to get MS to work within
Logic?
Thanks,
Bill
Edward Spiegel
Hi,
Welcome to the group. MetaSynth isn't a plug-in so, it can't work from within Logic. To use it with logic you will import/export audio back and forth between the two applications.
If you haven't done so, I highly recommend printing out and performing the tutorials. As an adjunct to that, you may also find the videos that we have online helpful -- but they probably will be much more helpful to you after you have performed the tutorials -- although some people tell me that they find it useful to watch them first to get an idea of how people use it.
Best,
Edward
James Hovelin
James Hovelin
MS as your external sample editor in Logic, then a Logic key command
launches MS with the current Logic sample loaded into the MS Sample
Editor, ready for filtering, effecting, re-synthesizing, whatever. I
do the same thing with Live.
Jim
Edward Spiegel
>That's true, but you can streamline the import/export process. Specify
>MS as your external sample editor in Logic, then a Logic key command
>launches MS with the current Logic sample loaded into the MS Sample
>Editor, ready for filtering, effecting, re-synthesizing, whatever. I
>do the same thing with Live.
Great tips! Thanks,
E
Sven Rånlund
But how to load in MS the sample you are working with in Live? It
would be great to have the possibility to use MS closer to other
DAW's, that is, import/export samples between programs.
/Sven
Hans-Jörg Scheffler
realtime.
Guess i am spoiled.........
Hans
Edward Spiegel
>i would buy Metasynth in an instant if it was a plugin and playable in
>realtime.
>Guess i am spoiled.......
If the things that MetaSynth does well appeal to you, it is quite easy to work into a workflow with pretty much any other DAW -- the things that it does well are very difficult to do with pretty much any other program without jumping through hoops. To use it with other apps is generally just a matter of a few drags and drops. If what MetaSynth does isn't that compelling to you then I guess it would seem pretty inconvenient. Remember that MetaSynth isn't a synth -- it is really 6 different sound design apps that are tightly coupled -- each of which can contribute its own unique way of working with sound.
Best,
Edward
James Hovelin
your sample editor. Then, click on the Edit button in the Sample Box
of clip view to open the sample in MS.
Keep in mind that what is opened in MS is the complete, raw, un-warped
file. If you are working on a part of that file, you might want to
create a separate file from that part in Live/Logic before going to
MS. Both DAWs have various (and easy) ways to do this. It depends.
At the moment, Live, Logic, and Metasynth are my main apps, and
projects can start in any of them, then move to another when I become
frustrated or just tired of looking at any one of them.
Jim
Helge Krabye
This is a trick I am using when I want to create sounds that I will use in Logic or Live (it doesn't work the same way with ProTools, because PT is old code that eats up the capacity of the processors in the Mac): I set a region or a number of measures in loop playback in Logic. While the loop plays, I open MetaSynth and start creating sounds in MS until they sound just right. I then set the tempo of the ImageSynth to the same tempo as the loop has in Logic, then choose "preview to disk" in MS and play around until I have a long file of wonderful sounds. I then import this audio file into Logic, cut it up and mix my music.
You can do the same thing with iTunes and MetaSynth, and iTunes is using very little computer power to play back audio (in this case you need to export your loop from Logic, import it into iTunes to play it back).
Helge
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Lao Yu
- workstations like Logic, PT who do sync to picture and complex composition work
- live performance like Puredata, Max/MSP and Ableton
- sound design software.
MS is in the last category. There are more softwares that do sound design. Many small packages that do a great job, but most of the time only one job (like Spear). Multipurpose packages to my knowledge are only MS and Kyma, perhaps CSound but I don't know that one. These packages are not real time and never will be.
Plug-ins are usually preset based and allow shifting parameters in automation but that's it. Multipurpose packages have their own suite of tools which frequently require time consuming calculations, they also have a timeline that one may like or not. But that is just an accessory, nobody would mix a movie with Kyma (nor Metasynth).
Just my thoughts about the frequently returning "MS for plugin!" requests.
Jurgen
OvalGuy
Neil Goldstein
Fantastic workflow idea...
OvalGuy
Edward Spiegel
>I haven't done it for some years (but will definitely check it when I get a moment) , but I recall Soundflower from Cycling 74 allows direct audio I/O from MS into other DAWS via Core Audio. Then you can record right in Logic or Live in real time whats coming out of MS.
You might also want to try Jack. Although, I haven't used SoundFlower lately, my experience was that SoundFlower seemed to have more latency and use a bit more CPU than Jack. Of course, things might have changed with more recent versions of SoundFlower.
Best,
E
Per Boysen
> Fantastic workflow idea...
Yes, I will definitely tell Logic to use Meatsynth as external sample
editor. Back when using Logic under Windows I had SoundForge in pair
with Logic but since going back to Mac I have not found any
application that makes sense to hook up as external sample editor -
until I read this tip.
> I haven't done it for some years (but will definitely check it when I get a
> moment) , but I recall Soundflower from Cycling 74 allows direct audio I/O
> from MS into other DAWS via Core Audio. Then you can record right in Logic
> or Live in real time whats coming out of MS.
Might not work well for timing critical music though, since the
latency in the audio streaming is not fixed but rather changes
(meaning, there's no way to manually compensate after having done the
recording).
Greetings from Sweden
Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
Neil Goldstein
Per Boysen
> I would be interested in how much better timing is in Jack.
I once tried out both Soundflower and Jack and found them equally
"flickering". Instead of these in-the-box streaming options I did
chose streaming through the analog outputs and inputs of my audio
interface. That caused longer latency but since the latency was fixed
(did not vary) I could easily compensate for it manually.
But I think I will stick with Helges "preview to disc" method for
Metasynth in team with Logic.