Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like to try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me know! Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the ones you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion though).
> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like to
> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me
> know! Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the ones
> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
> though).
> Cheers,
> Charlie
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> Here's good, so's the wiki. I'm fine with either.
> On 31 October 2012 12:59, Charlie <ch4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like
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>> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the
>> ones you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>> though).
>> Cheers,
>> Charlie
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> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the ones
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> Charlie
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Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like to
>> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me know!
>> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the ones
>> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>> though).
>> Cheers,
>> Charlie
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Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
Law of diminishing returns innit?
Cheers
Charlie
On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
> Nick
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > fireworks!
> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like
> to
> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me
> know!
> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the
> ones
> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
> >> though).
> >> Cheers,
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excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying major machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand tools and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various test inductions to pin down just how this will run.
Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various edible delights.
On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com<mailto:charliejharri...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth. Law of diminishing returns innit?
Cheers
Charlie
On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com<mailto:nickbradb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
Nick
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com<mailto:ignaciam...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 2012/10/31 Charlie <ch4...@gmail.com<mailto:ch4...@gmail.com>>
>> Hi,
>> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd like to
>> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me know!
>> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the ones
>> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>> though).
>> Cheers,
>> Charlie
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> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying major
> machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand tools
> and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various test
> inductions to pin down just how this will run.
> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
> edible delights.
> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
> Law of diminishing returns innit?
> Cheers
> Charlie
> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>> Nick
>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > fireworks!
>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>> like to
>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let me
>> know!
>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the
>> ones
>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>> >> though).
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Charlie
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You should definitely get in touch with the Cycling Society (I have
contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
some of what they have can go into the space?
Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really love
to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy monitoring
devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know the UCL
Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising, support,
recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects as well.
Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions to?
The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
*Natasha Gorodnitski*
2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
University College London Union
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas party
> in the evening – December is hard work!
> Cheers,
> Charlie
> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Charlie,
>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying major
>> machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand tools
>> and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various test
>> inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>> edible delights.
>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>> Cheers
>> Charlie
>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>> Nick
>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > fireworks!
>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>>> like to
>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let
>>> me know!
>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate the
>>> ones
>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>>> >> though).
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Charlie
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> contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
> workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
> probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
> that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
> some of what they have can go into the space?
> Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really love
> to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy monitoring
> devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know the UCL
> Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising, support,
> recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects as well.
> Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
> Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions to?
> The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
> look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
> University College London Union
> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <
> charliejharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
>> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas party
>> in the evening – December is hard work!
>> Cheers,
>> Charlie
>> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Charlie,
>>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying major
>>> machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand tools
>>> and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various test
>>> inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>>> edible delights.
>>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>>> Cheers
>>> Charlie
>>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>>> Nick
>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > fireworks!
>>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>>>> like to
>>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let
>>>> me know!
>>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate
>>>> the ones
>>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks suggestion
>>>> >> though).
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Charlie
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I'm happy to edit the Project page, but it currently doesn't seem to be as
organised as it could be and I don't know if I should rearrange stuff
without discussion: I'd like to see a more clear separation between ongoing
projects that have people actively organising around them already, and
projects that are proposed/what people want to learn but don't have people
organising them yet. I see that that's currently divided as Projects/Ideas
but it's not clear at looking at the list that the other projects are
already underway. Also having everything pop up as Projects/ isn't really
easy to read, and having one item per line is probably easier than having 3
columns. I would suggest having at the very least 2 sections on the
projects page, the top with projects already organising/underway, the
bottom half for ideas/suggestions that need people to get involved/to
teach/etc.
Sorry for just dropping in with all of this, I've been totally uninvolved
thus far and feel a bit out of place! Apologies if I've said silly things &
thanks for your patience :)
*Natasha Gorodnitski*
2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
University College London Union
e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
> That being said the wiki is an open document so add where ever you feel it
> fits :)
> S
> On 8 December 2012 15:18, Natasha Gorodnitski <n.gorodnit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> You should definitely get in touch with the Cycling Society (I have
>> contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
>> workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
>> probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
>> that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
>> some of what they have can go into the space?
>> Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really love
>> to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy monitoring
>> devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know the UCL
>> Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising, support,
>> recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects as well.
>> Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
>> Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions to?
>> The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
>> look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
>> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
>> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
>> University College London Union
>> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <
>> charliejharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
>>> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas
>>> party in the evening – December is hard work!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Charlie
>>> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> Charlie,
>>>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying major
>>>> machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand tools
>>>> and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various test
>>>> inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>>>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>>>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>>>> edible delights.
>>>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>>>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>>>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>>>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>>>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>>>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>>>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Charlie
>>>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>>>> Nick
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > fireworks!
>>>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>>>>> like to
>>>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please let
>>>>> me know!
>>>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate
>>>>> the ones
>>>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks
>>>>> suggestion
>>>>> >> though).
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >> Charlie
>>>>> >> --
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> wrote:
> I'm happy to edit the Project page, but it currently doesn't seem to be as
> organised as it could be and I don't know if I should rearrange stuff
> without discussion: I'd like to see a more clear separation between ongoing
> projects that have people actively organising around them already, and
> projects that are proposed/what people want to learn but don't have people
> organising them yet. I see that that's currently divided as Projects/Ideas
> but it's not clear at looking at the list that the other projects are
> already underway. Also having everything pop up as Projects/ isn't really
> easy to read, and having one item per line is probably easier than having 3
> columns. I would suggest having at the very least 2 sections on the
> projects page, the top with projects already organising/underway, the
> bottom half for ideas/suggestions that need people to get involved/to
> teach/etc.
> Sorry for just dropping in with all of this, I've been totally uninvolved
> thus far and feel a bit out of place! Apologies if I've said silly things &
> thanks for your patience :)
> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
> University College London Union
> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, S. Cook <sc...@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Natasha,
>> If the project section feels empty feel free to make it less so. There's
>> also the equipment section.
>> That being said the wiki is an open document so add where ever you feel
>> it fits :)
>> S
>> On 8 December 2012 15:18, Natasha Gorodnitski <n.gorodnit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> You should definitely get in touch with the Cycling Society (I have
>>> contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
>>> workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
>>> probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
>>> that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
>>> some of what they have can go into the space?
>>> Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really
>>> love to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy
>>> monitoring devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know
>>> the UCL Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising,
>>> support, recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects
>>> as well. Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
>>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
>>> Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions
>>> to? The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
>>> look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
>>> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
>>> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
>>> University College London Union
>>> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <
>>> charliejharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
>>>> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas
>>>> party in the evening – December is hard work!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Charlie
>>>> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying
>>>>> major machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand
>>>>> tools and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various
>>>>> test inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>>>>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>>>>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>>>>> edible delights.
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>>>>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>>>>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>>>>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>>>>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>>>>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>>>>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>>>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>>>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > fireworks!
>>>>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>>>>>> like to
>>>>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please
>>>>>> let me know!
>>>>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>>>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate
>>>>>> the ones
>>>>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks
>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>> >> though).
>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>> >> Charlie
>>>>>> >> --
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>>>>>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uclmakespace/-/v9TAygoKmGoJ.
>>>>>> >> To post to this group, send an email to
>>>>>> uclmakespace@googlegroups.com.
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> I'm happy to edit the Project page, but it currently doesn't seem to be as
> organised as it could be and I don't know if I should rearrange stuff
> without discussion: I'd like to see a more clear separation between ongoing
> projects that have people actively organising around them already, and
> projects that are proposed/what people want to learn but don't have people
> organising them yet. I see that that's currently divided as Projects/Ideas
> but it's not clear at looking at the list that the other projects are
> already underway. Also having everything pop up as Projects/ isn't really
> easy to read, and having one item per line is probably easier than having 3
> columns. I would suggest having at the very least 2 sections on the
> projects page, the top with projects already organising/underway, the
> bottom half for ideas/suggestions that need people to get involved/to
> teach/etc.
> Sorry for just dropping in with all of this, I've been totally uninvolved
> thus far and feel a bit out of place! Apologies if I've said silly things &
> thanks for your patience :)
> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
> University College London Union
> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, S. Cook <sc...@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Natasha,
>> If the project section feels empty feel free to make it less so. There's
>> also the equipment section.
>> That being said the wiki is an open document so add where ever you feel
>> it fits :)
>> S
>> On 8 December 2012 15:18, Natasha Gorodnitski <n.gorodnit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> You should definitely get in touch with the Cycling Society (I have
>>> contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
>>> workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
>>> probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
>>> that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
>>> some of what they have can go into the space?
>>> Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really
>>> love to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy
>>> monitoring devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know
>>> the UCL Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising,
>>> support, recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects
>>> as well. Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
>>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
>>> Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions
>>> to? The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
>>> look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
>>> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
>>> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
>>> University College London Union
>>> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <
>>> charliejharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
>>>> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas
>>>> party in the evening – December is hard work!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Charlie
>>>> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying
>>>>> major machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand
>>>>> tools and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various
>>>>> test inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>>>>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>>>>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>>>>> edible delights.
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <charliejharri...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>>>>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>>>>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>>>>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>>>>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>>>>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>>>>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>>>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>>>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > fireworks!
>>>>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things we'd
>>>>>> like to
>>>>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please
>>>>>> let me know!
>>>>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>>>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate
>>>>>> the ones
>>>>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks
>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>> >> though).
>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>> >> Charlie
>>>>>> >> --
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>>>>>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uclmakespace/-/v9TAygoKmGoJ.
>>>>>> >> To post to this group, send an email to
>>>>>> uclmakespace@googlegroups.com.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, S. Cook <sc...@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> It's a wiki feel free to edit how ever you like.
> With the formatting I'll try to have a look at it but I don't have much
> spare time.
> S
> On 8 December 2012 16:55, Natasha Gorodnitski <n.gorodnit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I'm happy to edit the Project page, but it currently doesn't seem to be
>> as organised as it could be and I don't know if I should rearrange stuff
>> without discussion: I'd like to see a more clear separation between ongoing
>> projects that have people actively organising around them already, and
>> projects that are proposed/what people want to learn but don't have people
>> organising them yet. I see that that's currently divided as Projects/Ideas
>> but it's not clear at looking at the list that the other projects are
>> already underway. Also having everything pop up as Projects/ isn't really
>> easy to read, and having one item per line is probably easier than having 3
>> columns. I would suggest having at the very least 2 sections on the
>> projects page, the top with projects already organising/underway, the
>> bottom half for ideas/suggestions that need people to get involved/to
>> teach/etc.
>> Sorry for just dropping in with all of this, I've been totally uninvolved
>> thus far and feel a bit out of place! Apologies if I've said silly things &
>> thanks for your patience :)
>> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
>> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
>> University College London Union
>> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, S. Cook <sc...@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Natasha,
>>> If the project section feels empty feel free to make it less so. There's
>>> also the equipment section.
>>> That being said the wiki is an open document so add where ever you feel
>>> it fits :)
>>> S
>>> On 8 December 2012 15:18, Natasha Gorodnitski <n.gorodnit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> You should definitely get in touch with the Cycling Society (I have
>>>> contacts if you need), they've just set up with UCLU help a bike
>>>> workshop/hub that does repairs and more. They've got a lot of tools and
>>>> probably have a really good idea of what should go into the workshop (not
>>>> that any of you wouldn't, they've just been working on it already). Maybe
>>>> some of what they have can go into the space?
>>>> Another suggestion: I study environmental geography and would really
>>>> love to see some things related to sustainability -- home made energy
>>>> monitoring devices, photovoltaics & alternative energy, for example. I know
>>>> the UCL Sustainability staff are really interested (read:£££, advertising,
>>>> support, recognition) in getting societies into more environmental projects
>>>> as well. Definitely check out UCL Green Innovation:
>>>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/greenucl/whats-happening/programmes/green-innova...
>>>> Can someone clarify where on the wiki we should be adding suggestions
>>>> to? The projects section seems to be a bit empty (but I only took a quick
>>>> look). Also is there any forum online for us to introduce ourselves?
>>>> *Natasha Gorodnitski*
>>>> 2012-2013 Ethics, Environment & Operations Officer
>>>> University College London Union
>>>> e...@uclu.org /// @uclu_eeoo
>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Charlie Harrison <
>>>> charliejharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Great! Looking forward to seeing the finished article.
>>>>> I'll be there at the start on Wednesday, but have another Christmas
>>>>> party in the evening – December is hard work!
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> On 7 December 2012 16:22, Doney, Elise <e.do...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>> excellent suggestion! I'll add it to the kit list. We're buying
>>>>>> major machines first, and january/february will be the time for buying hand
>>>>>> tools and bits n bobs. that is when i'll be asking you guys in for various
>>>>>> test inductions to pin down just how this will run.
>>>>>> Hope you're up for Make Merry next wednesday, we're doing candle
>>>>>> dipping, electroplating silicone/pewter/chocolate casting and various
>>>>>> edible delights.
>>>>>> On 7 Dec 2012, at 15:53, Charlie Harrison <
>>>>>> charliejharri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Not sure if it's too late to shoe-horn this in, but another thing I'd
>>>>>> really like to see in the makespace is bike tools and a workstand. They
>>>>>> needn't take up too much space – you could get a packable tool kit and
>>>>>> stand, or a wall-mounted bracket stand – and could be extremely useful. A
>>>>>> toolkit with just about everything is about a grand, but you can get tools
>>>>>> for almost everything for half that, and most things for about a tenth.
>>>>>> Law of diminishing returns innit?
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> On 4 November 2012 19:43, Nick Bradbeer <nickbradb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Having followed the process the UK Pyrotechnics Society went through
>>>>>>> to get themselves set up, I'm pretty certain we're not in a position
>>>>>>> to manufacture fireworks safely (or legally, I imagine.)
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Ignacia Mesa <ignaciam...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > fireworks!
>>>>>>> >> Is there a place to submit suggestions or requests for things
>>>>>>> we'd like to
>>>>>>> >> try? How about doing it here? If there's a better way, please
>>>>>>> let me know!
>>>>>>> >> Here are some things I'd like to try my hand at:
>>>>>>> >> Please add more to the thread, second the ones you like, or slate
>>>>>>> the ones
>>>>>>> >> you think are rubbish (I absolutely stand by the fireworks
>>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>>> >> though).
>>>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>>> >> Charlie
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