newsgroup iso email for this list
Aart Koelewijn
As asked:
>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>> perfect newsgroup, gmane.linux.ubuntu.user, for it. Using that it will
>> not clutter your mailbox, and using a newsreader like Pan you get good
>> treading. I started reading this list by email but soon switched to the
>> newsgroup, I find that much more comfortable.
> Interesting.
>
> Could you start a new thread and give detailed information about your
> configuration?
> Do you use usenet only for reading, or also for writing messages?
Configuration is very simple: with your newsreader you subscribe to
gmane.linux.ubuntu.user and you can read the group in your favorite
newsreader. You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
email-address in the From: header. Gmane will send all your messages to
the email-list and will post all email-list messages in the newsgroup.
Depending on your newsreader all messages are threaded and/or ordered by
date in one place.
Aart
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Cybe R. Wizard
Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
> email-address in the From: header.
And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam.
Here, a limited mailing list, yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why
over-tax your mail filters?
Cybe R. Wizard
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NoOp
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
>> email-address in the From: header.
>
> And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
> Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam.
> Here, a limited mailing list, yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why
> over-tax your mail filters?
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
Huh?
I use gmane to access over 20 lists & post to at least 5 of them on a
daily basis. Your email address' is very much available via the email
archives on this list, albeit they are marked "at", as in:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-November/202477.html. But
any spam spider can parse that without issue.
Of course, dit's that haven't figured out how to configure their email
client so that it doesn't include the attribution email address in the
process (hint: 'Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:' - sorry
Aart, but the 'Wizard' has already posted your email address in the
response), certainly shouldn't be... never mind.
<http://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-users-archive/browse_thread/thread/198d993b13f1e75b/9ad2f72b45f05c8e?hl=en&q="newsgroup+iso+email+for+this+list"#9ad2f72b45f05c8e>
Cybe R. Wizard
NoOp wrote:
> Of course, dit's that haven't figured out how to configure their email
> client...
Point taken. Thanks.
Cybe R. Wizard
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there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy with the proof."
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Aart Koelewijn
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Aart Koelewijn
> <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid email-address
>> in the From: header.
>
> And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
> Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam. Here, a limited mailing list,
> yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why over-tax your mail filters?
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
I have used my present email-address for over 10 years. I have used it on
a number off newsgroups and it is mentioned on my website in several
places. In my mailbox I get less then 1 spammail a day, I can live with
that.
OK, my ISP has good spam-filtering and I use my own spamfilter, but I
would need that anyway.
Aart
Aart Koelewijn
> On 11/19/2009 04:15 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Aart Koelewijn
>> <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
>>> email-address in the From: header.
>>
>> And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
>> Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam. Here, a limited mailing list,
>> yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why over-tax your mail filters?
>>
>> Cybe R. Wizard
>
> Huh?
>
> I use gmane to access over 20 lists & post to at least 5 of them on a
> daily basis. Your email address' is very much available via the email
> archives on this list, albeit they are marked "at", as in:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-
November/202477.html.
> But any spam spider can parse that without issue.
>
> Of course, dit's that haven't figured out how to configure their email
> client so that it doesn't include the attribution email address in the
> process (hint: 'Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:' - sorry
> Aart, but the 'Wizard' has already posted your email address in the
> response), certainly shouldn't be... never mind.
>
I don't mind at all ;-)
Aart
Amedee Van Gasse (ub)
> Hello,
>
> As asked:
>>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>
>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>>> perfect newsgroup, gmane.linux.ubuntu.user, for it. Using that it will
>>> not clutter your mailbox, and using a newsreader like Pan you get good
>>> treading. I started reading this list by email but soon switched to the
>>> newsgroup, I find that much more comfortable.
>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Could you start a new thread and give detailed information about your
>> configuration?
>> Do you use usenet only for reading, or also for writing messages?
>
> Configuration is very simple: with your newsreader you subscribe to
> gmane.linux.ubuntu.user and you can read the group in your favorite
> newsreader. You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
> email-address in the From: header. Gmane will send all your messages to
> the email-list and will post all email-list messages in the newsgroup.
> Depending on your newsreader all messages are threaded and/or ordered by
> date in one place.
Thank you. I will investigate this.
There seems to be a NNTP webinterface for Squirrelmail too.
http://squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=112
Amedee Van Gasse (ub)
>
> As asked:
>>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>
>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>>> perfect newsgroup, gmane.linux.ubuntu.user, for it. Using that it will
>>> not clutter your mailbox, and using a newsreader like Pan you get good
>>> treading. I started reading this list by email but soon switched to the
>>> newsgroup, I find that much more comfortable.
>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Could you start a new thread and give detailed information about your
>> configuration?
>> Do you use usenet only for reading, or also for writing messages?
>
> Configuration is very simple: with your newsreader you subscribe to
> gmane.linux.ubuntu.user and you can read the group in your favorite
> newsreader. You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
> email-address in the From: header. Gmane will send all your messages to
> the email-list and will post all email-list messages in the newsgroup.
> Depending on your newsreader all messages are threaded and/or ordered by
> date in one place.
One more question.
You mentioned the group, but what is the preferred usenet server?
Amedee Van Gasse (ub)
> On Thu, November 19, 2009 21:13, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> As asked:
>>>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>>>> perfect newsgroup, gmane.linux.ubuntu.user, for it. Using that it will
>>>> not clutter your mailbox, and using a newsreader like Pan you get good
>>>> treading. I started reading this list by email but soon switched to
>>>> the
>>>> newsgroup, I find that much more comfortable.
>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> Could you start a new thread and give detailed information about your
>>> configuration?
>>> Do you use usenet only for reading, or also for writing messages?
>>
>> Configuration is very simple: with your newsreader you subscribe to
>> gmane.linux.ubuntu.user and you can read the group in your favorite
>> newsreader. You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
>> email-address in the From: header. Gmane will send all your messages to
>> the email-list and will post all email-list messages in the newsgroup.
>> Depending on your newsreader all messages are threaded and/or ordered by
>> date in one place.
>
> One more question.
> You mentioned the group, but what is the preferred usenet server?
Never mind. It's news.gmane.org, right?
Derek Broughton
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
>> email-address in the From: header.
>
> And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
> Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam.
As I already said - gmane is NOT Usenet. It's merely nntp.
> Here, a limited mailing list, yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why
> over-tax your mail filters?
My mail filters have never been taxed by the fact that I post here.
--
derek
Rallias UberNerd
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Aart Koelewijn <aa...@mtack.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> You can also post to the group as long as you use a valid
>> email-address in the From: header.
>
> And that is reason enough to not use gamne. Sending a valid eddress to
> Usenet is to invite butt-loads of spam.
> Here, a limited mailing list, yes. No to validity on Usenet. Why
> over-tax your mail filters?
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
To annoy the maintainer of your service. Of corse when thats you, there
can be problems. My grandma and I have subscribed to a ton of mailing
lists so now we have a seperate machine for our accounts, along with a
dedicated download-and-foreword machine (a machine that downloads the mail
from the provider and pretends to be the sender).
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
user1
> Hello,
>
> As asked:
>>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>
>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
I find it easier to use a newsreader (I use Pan) instead of your e-mail
client for managing your mailing lists.
Install Pan using synaptic (in ubuntu).
Add as news server:
Pan - Edit - Edit News Servers - Add - "news.gmane.org"
Add your e-mail address:
Pan - Edit - Edit Posting Profiles - "your e-mail address"
Then Search for "gmane.comp.video.pitivi.general" as group name (use
search box top left in Pan) and then right click on the found group and
choose
"subscribe".
Please note, that there is thousands of other mailing lists out there.
gmane.linux.ubuntu.user (is the group for ubuntu-users mailing listen)
A practical setup item:
Pan - Edit - Edit Preferences - Behaviour - Groups - mark "Get new
headers in subscribed grupos on start up"
When you post/follow up first time you will receive an e-mail asking
you to reply to the mail, and when you have done that you are up to use
the pitivi mailing list using Pan.
This should be done for each new newsgrups you subscribe to.
Detlef Lechner
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > As asked:
> >>On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
> >
> >>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>
> I find it easier to use a newsreader (I use Pan) instead of your e-mail
> client for managing your mailing lists.
>
> Install Pan using synaptic (in ubuntu).
>
> Add as news server:
>
> Pan - Edit - Edit News Servers - Add - "news.gmane.org"
>
> Add your e-mail address:
>
> Pan - Edit - Edit Posting Profiles - "your e-mail address"
I have done so. But Pan reports: "news.gmane.org requires a password,
but none is set."
> Then Search for "gmane.comp.video.pitivi.general" as group name (use
> search box top left in Pan) and then right click on the found group and
> choose
> "subscribe".
Pan does not list this group. No groups starting with »gmane.« at all.
But other groups provided by another German news server.
What went wrong?
Detlef Lechner
David Robert Lewis (ethnopunk)
Detlef Lechner wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 06:15 +0000, user1 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As asked:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>>>>>
>> I find it easier to use a newsreader (I use Pan) instead of your e-mail
>> client for managing your mailing lists.
>>
>> Install Pan using synaptic (in ubuntu).
>>
>> Add as news server:
>>
>> Pan - Edit - Edit News Servers - Add - "news.gmane.org"
>>
>> Add your e-mail address:
>>
>> Pan - Edit - Edit Posting Profiles - "your e-mail address"
>>
>
> I have done so. But Pan reports: "news.gmane.org requires a password,
> but none is set."
>
>
>> Then Search for "gmane.comp.video.pitivi.general" as group name (use
>> search box top left in Pan) and then right click on the found group and
>> choose
>> "subscribe".
>>
>
> Pan does not list this group. No groups starting with »gmane.« at all.
> But other groups provided by another German news server.
>
> What went wrong?
>
> Detlef Lechner
>
>
>
Sorry to bother you, but are there any other news servers besides gmane?
Can one get usenet?
DRL
Detlef Lechner
> Sorry to bother you, but are there any other news servers besides gmane?
> Can one get usenet?
Yes. There are many. Apparently the majority of them wants to be paid
for their services.
I know of two free news servers: news.online.de and news.rwth-aachen.de.
(My knowledge is not up-to-date.)
Regards,
Detlef
Shannon McMackin
> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 06:15 +0000, user1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:13:41 +0000, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As asked:
>>>> On Thu, November 19, 2009 11:19, Aart Koelewijn wrote:
>>>>> I don't understand why people use email for this list when there is a
>> I find it easier to use a newsreader (I use Pan) instead of your e-mail
>> client for managing your mailing lists.
>>
>> Install Pan using synaptic (in ubuntu).
>>
>> Add as news server:
>>
>> Pan - Edit - Edit News Servers - Add - "news.gmane.org"
>>
>> Add your e-mail address:
>>
>> Pan - Edit - Edit Posting Profiles - "your e-mail address"
>
> I have done so. But Pan reports: "news.gmane.org requires a password,
> but none is set."
>
>> Then Search for "gmane.comp.video.pitivi.general" as group name (use
>> search box top left in Pan) and then right click on the found group and
>> choose
>> "subscribe".
>
> Pan does not list this group. No groups starting with »gmane.« at all.
> But other groups provided by another German news server.
>
> What went wrong?
>
> Detlef Lechner
>
>
subscribe to the ubuntu-users mailing list with a valid e-mail address,
then, when you create you news server profile you must associate the
same e-mail address with the account.
I'm speaking from a Thunderbird perspective, but I've used Pan off and
on over the years and it worked the same way.
NoOp
...
> The group on gmane does not require a password, but 1st, you must
> subscribe to the ubuntu-users mailing list with a valid e-mail address,
> then, when you create you news server profile you must associate the
> same e-mail address with the account.
Nope. The only thing required by gmane.org is a valid email address. No
password, no subscribing first to the list via email etc.
When you first _post_ to a new list, you will be sent a verifying email
from gmane.org to which you must reply, example:
> You have sent a message to be posted on the
> gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience newsgroup.
>
> Before the message is posted on the newsgroup, you have
> to confirm that you exist. Just reply to this message, and
> the message will be posted.
>
>
> You have to respond within one week.
>
> -- Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org http://gmane.org/
Once you've responed & gmane.org has verified that you are replying from
a valid email account, you'll receive a response back, example:
> You are now authorized to post to the
> gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience newsgroup.
>
> The original message you sent to the newsgroup will be
> posted within ten minutes.
>
> If you have any questions, they are most likely answered
> in the FAQ: <URL: http://gmane.org/faq.php>.
>
> -- Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org http://gmane.org/
That's it.
Shannon McMackin
could swear it's happened that way at least once.
Detlef Lechner
> On 01/06/2010 10:26 AM, Shannon McMackin wrote: ...
> Nope. The only thing required by gmane.org is a valid email address. No
> password, no subscribing first to the list via email etc.
>
> When you first _post_ to a new list, you will be sent a verifying email
> from gmane.org to which you must reply, example:
>
>> You have sent a message to be posted on the
>> gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience newsgroup.
>>
>> Before the message is posted on the newsgroup, you have to confirm that
>> you exist. Just reply to this message, and the message will be posted.
>> You have to respond within one week.
>> -- Your friendly autoauthorizer at Gmane.org http://gmane.org/
> Once you've responed & gmane.org has verified that you are replying from
> a valid email account, you'll receive a response back, example:
>> You are now authorized to post to the
>> gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.user-experience newsgroup.
>>
>> The original message you sent to the newsgroup will be posted within
>> ten minutes.
> That's it.
Thank you for explaining. I can confirm that NoOp's statements worked for
me.
But Pan makes it a bit harder if one has several email addresses and
wants to use them to diminish the number of received spam.
Detlef