Hey Ubuntu, Stop Making Linux Look Bad -- Is this true?

[Sreenivasa Sarma]

Ubuntu’s new Karmic Koala 9.10 release has been highly anticipated as the greatest release ever. In truth, it falls flat on its face in a time when Linux really needed to shine.

Follow this link for the article:
http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html

[Tolik Piskov]

On 20 ноя, 14:19, Sreenivasa Sarma <sarma....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it true?
Well, I had problem on a toshiba satellite and msi. First needed to
install alsa-backports to get sound working, second had broken X which
I failed to fix and installed 9.04. My own sony vaio stopped changing
brightness after upgrade to 9.10 and I still can't fix it. I had no
such problems when upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04.

[chris]

A not unusual experience with upgrading to 9.10

It is only my opinion, but I don't think it was ready for release.
It broke 3 of my machines, an asus, a HP, and one IBM.
The only machine that upgraded with only minor issues, was a laptop with
the ahci bios
Interesting.
Still triaging to find out what caused the breaks
Cheers the kiwi

[Daniel Bo]

The article is flame-bait (or click-trolling ...), but the issue is real.

Ubuntu's release cycle doesn't give any time for QC. The release date
isn't flexible. These two factors make for painful releases. I always
recommend to wait for the .1 release. In fact, I joke with my MS
friends that Ubuntu is a "wait for SP1" distro in the vein of Windows.

How to fix that?
1) Reduce the workload. Get rid of Universe and Multiverse and move
them to PPAs which individual MOTUs take care of and handle the bugs
for.
2) Have real testing on all major hardware. The Testing Team page is a
mess with scattered information about unsupported releases (Dapper?
Really?). Members need to be chosen based on the individual's
available hardware so that as much is represented as possible, and
they need to run a pre-defined battery of tests on new releases.

I've written about this fairly extensively at http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com

Cheers,

Dan

[chris]

On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 19:22 +0700, Daniel Bo wrote:
> The article is flame-bait (or click-trolling ...), but the issue is real.
>

Exactly and unfortunately the issues are real.

> Ubuntu's release cycle doesn't give any time for QC. The release date
> isn't flexible. These two factors make for painful releases. I always
> recommend to wait for the .1 release. In fact, I joke with my MS
> friends that Ubuntu is a "wait for SP1" distro in the vein of Windows.
>
> How to fix that?
> 1) Reduce the workload. Get rid of Universe and Multiverse and move
> them to PPAs which individual MOTUs take care of and handle the bugs
> for.
> 2) Have real testing on all major hardware. The Testing Team page is a
> mess with scattered information about unsupported releases (Dapper?
> Really?). Members need to be chosen based on the individual's

And experience with bug and triage work.

> available hardware so that as much is represented as possible, and
> they need to run a pre-defined battery of tests on new releases.
>
> I've written about this fairly extensively at http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com
>

cheers the kiwi
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
> >

[Che Hyderabadi]

Its very unfortunate but here is the hard truth

UBUNTU 9.10 upgrade has broken at several areas due to a huge chunk of
code change
however, a fresh install is decent enough with small glitches, that we
always find with a new release

Recommendation: DONT DO AN UPGRADE TO UBUNTU 9.10 RELEASE, IF YOU WANT
TO RUN KARMIC KOALA, PLEASE MAKE A FRESH INSTALL

-CHE

> > I've written about this fairly extensively athttp://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com

[chris]

Very true,
but even a fresh install is beyond the abilities of anyone with out a
great deal of nix and operating system savy to deal with
Simple reality give it a miss, and hope the Ubuntu team will realise the
compulsion to release ever six months is not practicable for a working
desktop system

Cheers the kiwi

[TJ]

I guess I'm the minority here, but both of my machines took the update
to 9.10 fine. I've had no issues whatsoever. One with a MSI K8N Neo4/
Sli Platnium board, and the other with some generic P4 board. Both
nvidia cards and one wireless usb nic. Everytihng worked flawlessly.

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[Ben Copeland]

I also installed without problem and am loving Karmic so far. As for the release schedule, I do not have a problem with it. Those who like to always have the latest have the pleasure of getting an Ubuntu update every 6 months. Those who don't like the frequent updates should just update from LTS to LTS. Personally, I do not have a problem with the 6 month release schedule.

[basotl]

I updated two Netbooks (AspireOne) with no issues. I like the changes
to Ubuntu Netbook Remix for visibility and access to files.

In addition I did a clean install on a Desktop (MSI P45NE02
Motherboard | Core 2 Quad Q8400 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 4 MB L2 | 4GB
RAM | nVidia GeForce 7200 GS 512 MB RAM | Ubuntu 9.10 64bit) with no
discernible issues other than 64bit flash can be a bit flaky.

On my web server I keep to the LTS schedule.

I have heard stories of people having difficulty and many that have
not. I wonder what the actual ratio is.

[chris]

A quick count of the local nix users group, which numbers over a
thousand users, only about 2% have not had problems
This is only a count from emails, and not accurate.
However the bulk of the users have had issues ranging from minor to
having the mbr trashed.
regards the kiwi

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[heywho]

Separate from my issue with ubuntu's ethics, one thing is sure -- people who don't have a problem, don't write a lot about it. 

they "expect it" to work, and if it does -- They didn't "get lucky", they "got what they expected" -- recognition of the distinction is important in gauging accuracy of field data.....  really different "response motive".  If it's broke, you scream, if it's not -- yay 4 u

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[JH]

How many of the users have reported problems? Over 900? Most of the
users with no problems just don't tell anything, so any research from
feedback must take this into account.