Topic Change: Does everyone like the Koala
bwright
changing the topic! How is everyone finding the Koala? Soft and cuddly
or does it have claws and red eyes? I am quite pleased with the new
boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
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Andre Mangan
In light of recent events, I thought I would take the liberty of
changing the topic! How is everyone finding the Koala? Soft and cuddly
or does it have claws and red eyes? I am quite pleased with the new
boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
What a very good and positive idea!
Karmic Koala, on the desktop, is a considerable improvement over previous releases. It is fast to start and fast to shut down. I have not found any glitches yet.
The Netbook Remix of Karmic Koala is quite stunning and looks quite different to the "norma desktopl" version. I have this running on an Asus Eee PC 1000H.
Andre
Andrew Swinn
Although I cannot say I have been much of a power user of late as I have
been spending a lot of time in Windows world due to work needs.
I see that the next version is going to be an LTS! Hopefully the team
polish that sucker right up and deliver another outstanding release.
My only critisim of late is the desire to ditch long standing products
for half baked new ones. I don't like reinventing of the wheel and would
prefer to see more co-operation in developing individual products further.
Ubuntu is still a nice distro to work with. Heppy Ubuntu'ing!
Andrew Swinn
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Andre Mangan
From: Simon Ives <si...@simonives.info>
Date: 2009/11/15
Subject: Re: Topic Change: Does everyone like the Koala
To: Andre Mangan <andre...@gmail.com>
I'm yet to upgrade my desktop but I am running the Koala netbook remix on my Asus EEE PC 701sd and it's been brilliant so far. Quite a bit more responsive than the previous release and the interface is very visually appealing.
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support for video/audio the move to empathy is purely in-line with
what gnome is doing.
Only real issue to me, is that the openoffice theme / default theme
are a bit brown. I like the normal openoffice theme :)
Other than my hatred of the new notification system, it is a *good*
release. Like seriously i can't click on the thing / make it go away
and i can't disable the notifications for items like network manager,
where before you could.
The exec-shield kernel patch was probably a good idea.
Apparently the new installer shows you information as you install it.
(i don't know as i used the alternative installation in a virtualbox
vm). I think this is a good move :) (provided the information is
relevant /informative ).
I am yet to try ubuntu-one, however it does look good.
Scott Evans
I have to agree on the half baked! I realise that Empathy will mature, and maybe even surprise us all to the point of "hey why didn't we use this earlier!" but sadly for me I find it irritating for IRC and have since completely removed it and reverted back to Pidgin! (I only use IRC, ICQ, & Gtalk/Jabber!) so to loose video conferencing to me is no big deal! I use skype for that...
Now for my Eee, I have one of the wee tiny ones! (701-SD) and the 7" (16:10) display real estate is at a premium! I initially was using (during Alpha) the normal desktop install but settled on using the current UNR as the sleeker UI is far more usable than the previous! and it's nice to now be able to still use a pretty background picture and still be able to see it!
I did have some small issues with sound, but this was soon solved by playing with what was available (meaning what works!) and due to having a 7.1 surround sound device after selecting it ... well hey its all good! As for the usplash, defiantly some work needed there a plain white ubuntu logo I think looks bloody awful after having colour for so long! (again just my opinion!) I've since to found a nifty way to set whatever desktop image you have to then become the default after that ugly B/W ubuntu logo!
So if I had to rate 9.10 I'd still give it a 8 -/- 10 and for the UNR that gets a 9 -/- 10 ...
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Melissa Draper
> I haven't found any issue as yet, all working wonderfully for me.
> Although I cannot say I have been much of a power user of late as I have
> been spending a lot of time in Windows world due to work needs.
>
> I see that the next version is going to be an LTS! Hopefully the team
> polish that sucker right up and deliver another outstanding release.
>
> My only critisim of late is the desire to ditch long standing products
> for half baked new ones. I don't like reinventing of the wheel and would
> prefer to see more co-operation in developing individual products further.
I've found I have better life from my Dell Vostro 1310 with 9cell
battery by like an hour or more (10am to 3:30pm with the same charge is
just... :D), bluetooth is *much* more usable and suspend works pretty
much every time (was typically only once per boot last release).
Sadly, I've also found that NetworkManager is noticeably more painful
than last release -- almost sticky in that it doesn't seem to roam with
the same fluidity any more. Thankfully it normally doesn't seem to
require a reboot to un-stick it though, I just flick the RF switch off,
right click the icon and check disable wireless, count to 20, reverse
and voila.
Overall it's a big step up IMHO.
> Ubuntu is still a nice distro to work with. Heppy Ubuntu'ing!
>
> Andrew Swinn
>
> Andre Mangan wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/15 bwright <bwrig...@gmail.com <mailto:bwrig...@gmail.com>>
> >
> > In light of recent events, I thought I would take the liberty of
> > changing the topic! How is everyone finding the Koala? Soft and cuddly
> > or does it have claws and red eyes? I am quite pleased with the new
> > boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
> >
> >
> >
> > What a very good and positive idea!
> >
> > Karmic Koala, on the desktop, is a considerable improvement over
> > previous releases. It is fast to start and fast to shut down. I have
> > not found any glitches yet.
> >
> > The Netbook Remix of Karmic Koala is quite stunning and looks quite
> > different to the "norma desktopl" version. I have this running on an
> > Asus Eee PC 1000H.
> >
> > Andre
> >
> >
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> ...
> Other than my hatred of the new notification system, it is a *good*
> release. Like seriously i can't click on the thing / make it go away
> and i can't disable the notifications for items like network manager,
> where before you could.
I have to echo these sentiments - surely one of the absolute minimum
requirements of a notification system like this is that if i click on
it, it should go away. That has been one of my biggest annoyances with
jaunty. (Along with the NetworkManager being less reliable than hardy &
intrepid.)
Paul
IKT
I am quite pleased with the new boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
The humanity icons are exactly what I was after, oxygen has a great icon theme but I don't really need massively details icons. Like to keep things simple.
The biggest difference is the creative x-fi support.
Unfortunately I'm having a lot of trouble finding a program like dvd shrink/avi to dvd burning utility for ubuntu, all the ubuntu/linux equivalents aren't working to well.
http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=173 - Could use some love.
I see that the next version is going to be an LTS! Hopefully the team polish that sucker right up and deliver another outstanding release.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
I will be pushing people to upgrade to the beta in a hope that any problems they have can be fixed in time for release.
Reduced Alpha Stage: Because we will have substantially less new code, we can reduce the number of Alpha releases, and extend the Beta stage to allow for more system testing.
Two Beta Releases: We generally get more bugs filed in the Beta stage because of the increase in user base. In order to address more of these issues, we will provide an additional Beta release.
Christopher Lees
The Dust Sand theme - apparently it was available in Jaunty too, but
this is the first time I've noticed it. It does look a little like OS X
which I usually hate, but it's a very nice theme that integrates with
everything well.
I also like the fade-in, fade-out of the usplash, and the way the
Xsplash fades into the desktop. I don't like the completely different
looks of the Usplash and the Xsplash; IMHO the Xsplash should start by
looking just like the Usplash, and then morph into something more
visually fascinating.
Of course, I like the new versions of programs... but I'm very
disappointed that Rhythmbox's DNLA and DAAP plugins are broken, and that
the Tangerine DAAP server won't run on 9.10. This has taught me to only
use LTS releases on my server in the future!
Ubuntu Karmic is fast. I formatted / into Ext4 before installing and
everything feels a lot snappier. I'm very pleased with this. My
netbook's slow SSD is noticably faster with Karmic/Ext4 than with
Jaunty/Ext2. Oh, and the wifi LED works now, and I should theoretically
get better battery life with the better Powertop result.
I also love the little warning you get when you run the update manager
on battery power. That's cool. And although I thankfully haven't seen it
myself, I'm also very impressed by the ability for Gnome Power Manager
to know if your laptop battery has been recalled, and give you a
warning.
Unfortunately, Karmic is not a dream release for netbooks, due to the
problems with mobile broadband. My broadband stick sometimes takes a
couple of tries to connect properly, and from what I hear I'm one of the
lucky ones. Mobile broadband, broken - this is something that needs to
be prevented before too many more people get their hands on Ubuntu.
I'm also a fan of the notifications system, especially the way it fades
out more the closer your mouse gets to the notification. Did you know
you can get Firefox to use the new notifications, by installing the
"firefox-notify" extension from Synaptic?
I also like the Software Center, it does make it easier to discover new
programs. Don't worry - all my programs will remain free of charge under
the GPL, I haven't been tempted to sell my wares :-) I'm hoping that
the Software Center convinces more developers to look at Ubuntu, and
that we get some first-tier game ports and some Blu-ray playback
software in there soon!
In conclusion, I love Karmic on my desktop. I like Karmic on my netbook,
although I still think netbook users should stick with Intrepid. And
unfortunately I don't like Karmic on my server due to the problems with
DNLA and DAAP - all server software seems to have one problem or
another.
db
Sebastian Spiess
> In light of recent events, I thought I would take the liberty of
> changing the topic! How is everyone finding the Koala? Soft and cuddly
> or does it have claws and red eyes? I am quite pleased with the new
> boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
>
Here we go,
over all I have a positive impression so far from the Koala.
I've upgraded from Jaunty and had some issues. I had to mapp my
apt-cache repository to another partition as I was lacking 700 MB of
space to upgrade. <- this could be mentioned in the release notes/
requirements.
During the upgrade an error occurred, don't know why but it left me with
some old packages I had to clean up manually.
I'm not sure if there is something else the upgrade process did not
finish, don't know where and how to check either.
The startup screen looks nice but I was waiting for the logo to turn on
some colour. The startup is slightly faster but nowhere near the 10
seconds, but I've got no SSD...
I've signed up to Ubuntu One and the first thing was to create some
symbolic links pointing to some folders I wanted to sync. Unfortunately
this feature is not yet 100% according to Launchpad.
Another thing is the cloud symbol in the panel - it always shows an ! so
I think it is something wrong but apparently it is OK.
Comparing U One it with Dropbox the linking worked right from the start
and it shows a tick mark that everything is OK.
Suspend and hibernate are still up for testing. With Jaunty it did not
work properly.
For Karmic the GNOME team turned of the icons in menus. Although I did
like the icons I will go a few weeks on without them and see how I will
adapt. By now I needed to read quite a few menus as I was missing the
correct icon.
Same with the new icon set, some of them I don't know yet but I like the
simplicity.
Another thing I like is that apport does collect data for reports. Yes
it did already collect a few reports all about 120 MB big but who cares.
If any of the reports do help to fix issues I will send them to help.
So my overall impression of the Koala is good - I like him :-)
Phil in the scrub
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It has its good points and its bad points
But becaus eof very real annoyances with sound and wireless and a few
other niggles
ditched it and went back to Jaunty which is fine .
I actualy found the Koala although improve performance and speed
somewhat
to be a bunch of crap for my needs --- When previous versions work
very well and no need to spend whole weekends
looking for workarounds only to find that others with same problems
also unable to find work arounds
I think I shall now stay with the long term releases
It appears I am not the only one
see http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1210214&p=50
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/464591
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305459
Even Ubuntus own poll shows 18% had to do medium tweaking
Further 18% have problems with as yet no ubuntu solution
see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305924
However, still like Ubuntu (as well as other distro's )
Just think I will skip 3 out 4 releases from now on :)
Norm
This may sound a little like heresy, but is a new release every 6 months
sustainable? Or even necessary? Is it just me or is each new release becoming
just a little more buggy?
It just seems like they're coming out of a sausage factory with the casings not
quite tied off. I keep going back to Hardy for a "good experience"
Perhaps an "update pack" every six months and stick with the current LTS
schedule for mainstream releases?
Norm McMillan
Mildura, Australia.
The Wintersun City
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Dave Hall
> You know,
>
> This may sound a little like heresy, but is a new release every 6 months
> sustainable? Or even necessary? Is it just me or is each new release becoming
> just a little more buggy?
>
> It just seems like they're coming out of a sausage factory with the casings not
> quite tied off. I keep going back to Hardy for a "good experience"
>
> Perhaps an "update pack" every six months and stick with the current LTS
> schedule for mainstream releases?
I see the non LTS releases as developer snapshot builds. There are some
occasions where you will run them in production, like I am currently
doing with Karmic for the virtualisation improvements.
At the same time 80% of the boxes I have deployed in production
environments (desktops and servers) run LTS releases. Why? because I
want it to be solid and don't want to have to upgrade every 6 months.
The only machine which is regularly running alphas/betas/rc/just
released versions of ubuntu is my primary machine - my laptop. It has
only completely died once - corrupted cryptroot on a karmic alpha
+updates. Why? because if something is seriously busted I want to know
about it well before the version goes gold and also I like shiny stuff.
I do think that ubuntu and canonical need to review their marketing
strategy for non LTS releases. I think that there is too much emphasis
on promoting them to Jo/e Average user, where most of them would be
better off on an LTS release. Can you imagine that chaos in the retail
IT sector if MS released a new version of Windows every 6 (or even 12)
months?
Cheers
Dave
IKT
I was quite aware of this as it seems like they were throwing a lot of the stuff into 9.10 so they can build on it, and feature
complete it by 10.04, the bug issues have been mentioned to the SABDFL and as has been said 10.04 is aiming to be one of the least buggy
releases in recent memory.
I prefer the 6 month release system, 8.04 in comparison to 9.10 seems like going from win7 to 98 in windows land.
Norm
I know exactly where you're coming from and it's my sentiment entirely. What I'm
asking is could the virtualization improvements for example, be added to the
LTS as a patch or upgrade, rather than have to wait 'till the next LTS?
I have a client who would love to dump Windows, but unfortunately runs some
custom enterprise software which is Windows centric. The irony is that it's a
Windows build of a very old Unix (green screen!) app! And no, the developer
isn't interested in doing a Linux build of the GUI. The expertise has long gone.
Enjoy your day
Norm McMillan
Mildura, Australia.
The Wintersun City
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> OK Dave,
>
> I know exactly where you're coming from and it's my sentiment entirely. What I'm
> asking is could the virtualization improvements for example, be added to the
> LTS as a patch or upgrade, rather than have to wait 'till the next LTS?
As some one who runs serious production systems, I only ever want
security and critical bug fixes being backported. Every fix is a
potential regression - look at the usb modems in karmic as an example
how things can go wrong. Will you offer to explain to my client that it
is only a minor glitch that is meaning their 2000+ sites are down and it
will be fixes RSN? People are human, and humans make mistakes, the more
changes they make the higher the risk.
If you want wholesale updates in stable - try fedora :) I think fedora
has some good things going for it, but I don't agree with their security
packaging policy.
> I have a client who would love to dump Windows, but unfortunately runs
> some
> custom enterprise software which is Windows centric. The irony is that
> it's a
> Windows build of a very old Unix (green screen!) app! And no, the
> developer
> isn't interested in doing a Linux build of the GUI. The expertise has
> long gone.
Based on the description above, I am sure they could run windows under
kvm on hardy. The features I want to take advantage are directly
connecting host pci and usb devices to VMs using libvirt.
Cheers
Dave
Phil in the scrub
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Dave is that why Gawd invented virtual machines :)
My solution is stick with what works be it any flavour of an os
but play in VM land with all the other stuff.
Learning curve heaven :(
Frustrating as heck as some of the VM stuff does not like the new
stuff .
You should see how twisted up we are with win 7 AND koala 9.10 64
bit this end .
But a *lot* better than the old paper tape and 80 col punched card
days eh :)
Norm
having to run the bootstrap using toggle switches on the front panel, just to
make the card reader work.
address:data load
address:data load
address:data load
address:data load
run
And the damned thing could only add. Remember 1's complement and add, or was it
twos compliment??
Running the CP (Cathode Poison)routine every week to make sure no registers got
bit-stuck
ALL THOSE PRETTY NEON LIGHTS!
Sheesh
Norm McMillan
Mildura, Australia.
The Wintersun City
Phil in the scrub wrote:
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> But a *lot* better than the old paper tape and 80 col punched card
> days eh :)
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