Hey hi guys,
Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had
just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit.
After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak
Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the
question is that how can I improve more and more.
Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an
Ergonomic one.
> Hey hi guys,
> Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had
> just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit.
> After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak
> Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the
> question is that how can I improve more and more.
> Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an
> Ergonomic one.
Aside from the usual things - relax as much as possible, spend some time on the sudden death "accuracy" universe, etc. - one Dvorak-specific exercise that helped me is to take a newspaper article and practice typing the entire thing with commas every three words, then every other word, and then every word. Same with dashes. Both of these are easier on Dvorak than with Qwerty, and you'll soon have the comma under your fingers as just another letter. This is a huge advantage in texts with lists of words.
On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:50:20 AM UTC-6, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
> Hey hi guys, > Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had > just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit. > After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak > Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the > question is that how can I improve more and more.
> Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an > Ergonomic one.
> Aside from the usual things - relax as much as possible, spend some time on
> the sudden death "accuracy" universe, etc. - one Dvorak-specific exercise
> that helped me is to take a newspaper article and practice typing the
> entire thing with commas every three words, then every other word, and then
> every word. Same with dashes. Both of these are easier on Dvorak than with
> Qwerty, and you'll soon have the comma under your fingers as just another
> letter. This is a huge advantage in texts with lists of words.
> On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:50:20 AM UTC-6, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
> > Hey hi guys,
> > Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had
> > just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit.
> > After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak
> > Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the
> > question is that how can I improve more and more.
> > Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an
> > Ergonomic one.
Has there been any actual clinical trials of Dvorak actually becoming far better than QWERTY, or is it your subconscious seeking to improve? I'm not sure, but here's a more, detailed explanation on the fable against Dvorak vs Qwerty. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1069950 This link, suggests that the improvement from Dvorak to Qwerty is little to none. It is merely based on practice, and my theory developed from this conclusion is *practice. * Simply because you practice more on Dvorak, rather than Qwerty, since many of us didn't exactly learn until we actually became teens, or adults, I believe while you learn Dvorak you already have the basis down, and that's why you notice an improvement. I'm sure if you practice QWERTY enough you can best a Dvorak typist.
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:49:47 AM UTC-7, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion SOO DOE NIMH I will try this and I just > found another Dvorak training site and I will try both ways.
> On Apr 20, 12:37 pm, Soo Doe Nimh <frequen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Aside from the usual things - relax as much as possible, spend some time > on > > the sudden death "accuracy" universe, etc. - one Dvorak-specific > exercise > > that helped me is to take a newspaper article and practice typing the > > entire thing with commas every three words, then every other word, and > then > > every word. Same with dashes. Both of these are easier on Dvorak than > with > > Qwerty, and you'll soon have the comma under your fingers as just > another > > letter. This is a huge advantage in texts with lists of words.
> > On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:50:20 AM UTC-6, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
> > > Hey hi guys, > > > Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had > > > just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit. > > > After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak > > > Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the > > > question is that how can I improve more and more.
> > > Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an > > > Ergonomic one.
To answer your question about "actual clinical trials", I think the answer is probably "no'".
Many of us have read the Dvorak arguments before, and seen the various calculations: your fingers move XX% less than on Qwerty, XX% more of the typing is done on the home row, our weak/slow pinkies do XX% less typing on Dvorak, etc. etc. But, rarely do people take the next step and ask "Does this really make Dvorak faster?"
You're probably right to ask this question, and I think that Dvorak probably is not as magical as people are led to believe by arguments like the ones above.
Unfortunately, as there haven't been scientific studies done (and there probably will never be, given that keyboards will probably be phased out in a couple decades), we have to rely on anecdotal evidence.
A few members of this group are also members of an old Yahoo! group called alt-keyboards (alternative keyboards), and there are plenty of people there who will be happy to tell you about how much of a difference Dvorak made for them, especially in making their hands more comfortable and relieving repetitive stress injuries. It's been years since I've really followed that group, but feel free to check it out if you want to learn more. They may talk about improved speed as well. Feel free to evaluate their anecdotal evidence and draw your own conclusions.
I personally achieved faster speeds after switching to Dvorak. But, as you point out, there might be no way to demonstrate that this was really due to Dvorak.
On the other hand, I typed with Qwerty since I was a young child--using computers regularly by maybe age 7-8 (I'm 24 now.) I used Qwerty for 10+ years, and it took me maybe 7 years or so to start typing 120wpm on average on unfamiliar texts. With Dvorak (which I started at around age 18), I was able to achieve these speeds much faster (in 2 years, I surpassed by old Qwerty speeds). On Typeracer (which is obviously not representative of real typing speeds) I now usually average 140.
I'm doing a lot of guestimating here, and there are a lot of uncontrolled variables. My conclusion is a weak one, based on my experience and anecdotal evidence. I say this: I think Dvorak is a little bit faster, and will probably be a little bit more comfortable and less tiring, but I haven't seen substantial, undeniable advantages.
On Thursday, August 9, 2012 1:05:56 PM UTC+8, Makish wrote:
> Has there been any actual clinical trials of Dvorak actually becoming far > better than QWERTY, or is it your subconscious seeking to improve? I'm not > sure, but here's a more, detailed explanation on the fable against Dvorak > vs Qwerty. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1069950 This > link, suggests that the improvement from Dvorak to Qwerty is little to > none. It is merely based on practice, and my theory developed from this > conclusion is *practice. * Simply because you practice more on Dvorak, > rather than Qwerty, since many of us didn't exactly learn until we actually > became teens, or adults, I believe while you learn Dvorak you already have > the basis down, and that's why you notice an improvement. I'm sure if you > practice QWERTY enough you can best a Dvorak typist.
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:49:47 AM UTC-7, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestion SOO DOE NIMH I will try this and I just >> found another Dvorak training site and I will try both ways.
>> On Apr 20, 12:37 pm, Soo Doe Nimh <frequen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Aside from the usual things - relax as much as possible, spend some >> time on >> > the sudden death "accuracy" universe, etc. - one Dvorak-specific >> exercise >> > that helped me is to take a newspaper article and practice typing the >> > entire thing with commas every three words, then every other word, and >> then >> > every word. Same with dashes. Both of these are easier on Dvorak than >> with >> > Qwerty, and you'll soon have the comma under your fingers as just >> another >> > letter. This is a huge advantage in texts with lists of words.
>> > On Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:50:20 AM UTC-6, Schoaib Shahnawaz wrote:
>> > > Hey hi guys, >> > > Once again em here with a new post, last time when I wrote I had >> > > just switched to Dvorak and this time I have improved a bit. >> > > After the completion of a typing tutor (Solo on the Dvorak >> > > Keyboard) I have improved and now I can type in 60s and now the >> > > question is that how can I improve more and more.
>> > > Not to forget I have switched from regular plain keyboards to an >> > > Ergonomic one.
Well, David one thing is for sure that if you keep on practicing with
Dvorak your fingers won't feel tired and you keep on improving on
daily basis. I don't know whether it's true or not but in my case I am
improving though I haven't got my old speed of Qwerty but I am happy
with the Dvorak layout.
"I say this: I think Dvorak is a little bit faster, and
will probably be a little bit more comfortable and less tiring, but I
haven't seen substantial, undeniable advantages. "
The aforementioned few lines are yours and this shows that you also
agree that Dvorak is somehow better that Qwerty.
Dvorak isn't about speed: it's about comfort. Screw the clinical trials.
Try it in the clinic of the office environment and tell me how your hands
and fingers feel at 5pm after a day of qwerty vs a day of dvorak. I have
20 years with mixing both and have found the one that works far better for
me.
Jason
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Schoaib Shahnawaz <
schoaib.shahna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, David one thing is for sure that if you keep on practicing with
> Dvorak your fingers won't feel tired and you keep on improving on
> daily basis. I don't know whether it's true or not but in my case I am
> improving though I haven't got my old speed of Qwerty but I am happy
> with the Dvorak layout.
> "I say this: I think Dvorak is a little bit faster, and
> will probably be a little bit more comfortable and less tiring, but I
> haven't seen substantial, undeniable advantages. "
> The aforementioned few lines are yours and this shows that you also
> agree that Dvorak is somehow better that Qwerty.
> Regards
> Comrade.
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Makish <f0wlf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has there been any actual clinical trials of Dvorak actually becoming far > better than QWERTY, or is it your subconscious seeking to improve? I'm not > sure, but here's a more, detailed explanation on the fable against Dvorak > vs Qwerty. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1069950 This > link, suggests that the improvement from Dvorak to Qwerty is little to > none.
There is little evidence that alternative layouts like Dvorak or Colemak actually improve your overall speed potential, but there is the question of ergonomics, and which one will take less of a toll on your body when you use it. I do find typing Colemak more comfortable, even if it is no faster (though no slower, either) than Qwerty.
-- Aaron W. Hsu | arcf...@sacrideo.us | http://www.sacrideo.us Programming is just another word for the lost art of thinking.
I must have some weird genetics. I prefer QWERTY over DVORAK,because the ergonomics just don't feel right. Perhaps it is because I'm too stubborn to actually change. I'm currently 14, and I sometimes (peak) 120, maybe 130. However, my averages on TyprX and Typeracer are around 90-80, sometimes below. My TyprX average is quite a lot higher, because there is no cheating test that I can't pass due to the fact that the Captcha keeps disappearing halfway through the text, which is very, very, very, annoying.
> > Has there been any actual clinical trials of Dvorak actually becoming > far > > better than QWERTY, or is it your subconscious seeking to improve? I'm > not > > sure, but here's a more, detailed explanation on the fable against > Dvorak > > vs Qwerty. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1069950This > > link, suggests that the improvement from Dvorak to Qwerty is little to > > none.
> There is little evidence that alternative layouts like Dvorak or Colemak > actually improve your overall speed potential, but there is the question > of > ergonomics, and which one will take less of a toll on your body when > you use it. I do find typing Colemak more comfortable, even if it is no > faster (though no slower, either) than Qwerty.
> -- > Aaron W. Hsu | arc...@sacrideo.us <javascript:> | http://www.sacrideo.us > Programming is just another word for the lost art of thinking.
