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sea of green
Aug 14, 2012, 11:09:47 PM8/14/12
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On 8/14/2012 8:38 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:09:48 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a death wish or something?
>>
>> My God old man, at least Romney will make sure you're taken care of:
>>
> We have little doubt of that. All we need is to purchase a burial plot
> with Romney/RyanCare looming.
But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
What are the immediate effects of this plan?
This plan has no effect on current seniors or those nearing retirement.
It will go into effect for younger Americans when they reach retirement
in the future.
How is this different from the Ryan Plan?
Shortly after Mitt presented the proposal described here, Congressman
Paul Ryan and Senator Ron Wyden introduced a bipartisan proposal that
almost precisely mirrors Mitt�s ideas. Unsurprisingly, the Obama
administration immediately rejected the proposal. Mitt has applauded the
Ryan-Wyden effort and looks forward to working as president with leaders
from both sides of the aisle to implement meaningful reforms that will
preserve Medicare for future generations.
How high will the premium support be? How quickly will it grow?
Mitt continues to work on refining the details of his plan, and he is
exploring different options for ensuring that future seniors receive the
premium support they need while also ensuring that competitive pressures
encourage providers to improve quality and control cost. His goal is for
Medicare to offer every senior affordable options that provide coverage
and service at least as good as what today�s seniors receive. Lower
income seniors in the future will receive the most generous benefits to
ensure that they are able to get care every bit as good as that provided
in the current Medicare program.
How will the plan impact total Medicare spending?
The total impact on spending will depend on a number of factors,
including the rate of premium support increase and the effect of
competitive pressure on providers. By replacing the inefficiency of the
current system with a competitive, market-oriented system in which every
provider � including the government � wants to find the most efficient
way to provide high quality care, the plan puts the future of Medicare
on a sound footing to meet the needs of future generations.
How will traditional Medicare remain an option?
Traditional Medicare will compete against private plans. It will be
operated by the government and funded by premiums, co-insurance, and
deductibles that are set at the level necessary to cover its costs. The
attractiveness of this option to future seniors will depend on how its
efficiency and quality compares to that offered by other providers in
the marketplace. Future seniors will benefit from the innovation and
competition among options.
How will seniors be affected by the costs of different options?
Future seniors will be able to enjoy the savings from selecting less
expensive plans, or choose to pay more for costlier options. When the
insurance premium costs less than the support provided, the balance will
be available in an HSA-like account to pay for other out-of-pocket
health expenses.
>> http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
>>
> There is ample evidence the man lies. End of story.
Bullshit.
He worked hard to get Mass. a health plan.
But Obama?
He promised to close Gitmo...and?
He promised not to mess with Medicare and...
http://online.wsj.com
There was a small but instructive moment in 2010, the summer after the
passage of the Affordable Care Act, that shows why Paul Ryan is so
unusual for Washington.
A panel at the American Enterprise Institute featured Richard Foster,
the Medicare actuary who estimates that ObamaCare's $716 billion in
Medicare cuts will cause one of six hospitals to become unprofitable. In
the audience was Chip Kahn, the president of a for-profit hospital trade
group that lobbied for ObamaCare, who stood up to defend the bargain his
industry cut in return for 30 million new subsidized customers.
Mr. Foster noted that the cuts, which come via a technical change to
Medicare payment rates, apply in perpetuity. But the hospitals only get
the extra patients once, so the wedge between costs and benefits for
hospitals widens over time.
"Well," Mr. Kahn replied, "you can say, 'Did you make a bad deal?'
Fortunately I don't think I'll probably be working after 2020." When Mr.
Foster pressed him, he joked again, "I'm glad my contract only goes
another six years."
This kind of short-range thinking�and intellectual exhaustion�dominates
both parties and their many clients in Washington, in health care
especially.Mr. Ryan's political character has always been different. He
saw before anyone else that one era of government was inexorably ending,
and that if we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
That's you future under Obama , enjoy!
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:09:48 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a death wish or something?
>>
>> My God old man, at least Romney will make sure you're taken care of:
>>
> We have little doubt of that. All we need is to purchase a burial plot
> with Romney/RyanCare looming.
But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
What are the immediate effects of this plan?
This plan has no effect on current seniors or those nearing retirement.
It will go into effect for younger Americans when they reach retirement
in the future.
How is this different from the Ryan Plan?
Shortly after Mitt presented the proposal described here, Congressman
Paul Ryan and Senator Ron Wyden introduced a bipartisan proposal that
almost precisely mirrors Mitt�s ideas. Unsurprisingly, the Obama
administration immediately rejected the proposal. Mitt has applauded the
Ryan-Wyden effort and looks forward to working as president with leaders
from both sides of the aisle to implement meaningful reforms that will
preserve Medicare for future generations.
How high will the premium support be? How quickly will it grow?
Mitt continues to work on refining the details of his plan, and he is
exploring different options for ensuring that future seniors receive the
premium support they need while also ensuring that competitive pressures
encourage providers to improve quality and control cost. His goal is for
Medicare to offer every senior affordable options that provide coverage
and service at least as good as what today�s seniors receive. Lower
income seniors in the future will receive the most generous benefits to
ensure that they are able to get care every bit as good as that provided
in the current Medicare program.
How will the plan impact total Medicare spending?
The total impact on spending will depend on a number of factors,
including the rate of premium support increase and the effect of
competitive pressure on providers. By replacing the inefficiency of the
current system with a competitive, market-oriented system in which every
provider � including the government � wants to find the most efficient
way to provide high quality care, the plan puts the future of Medicare
on a sound footing to meet the needs of future generations.
How will traditional Medicare remain an option?
Traditional Medicare will compete against private plans. It will be
operated by the government and funded by premiums, co-insurance, and
deductibles that are set at the level necessary to cover its costs. The
attractiveness of this option to future seniors will depend on how its
efficiency and quality compares to that offered by other providers in
the marketplace. Future seniors will benefit from the innovation and
competition among options.
How will seniors be affected by the costs of different options?
Future seniors will be able to enjoy the savings from selecting less
expensive plans, or choose to pay more for costlier options. When the
insurance premium costs less than the support provided, the balance will
be available in an HSA-like account to pay for other out-of-pocket
health expenses.
>> http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
>>
> There is ample evidence the man lies. End of story.
Bullshit.
He worked hard to get Mass. a health plan.
But Obama?
He promised to close Gitmo...and?
He promised not to mess with Medicare and...
http://online.wsj.com
There was a small but instructive moment in 2010, the summer after the
passage of the Affordable Care Act, that shows why Paul Ryan is so
unusual for Washington.
A panel at the American Enterprise Institute featured Richard Foster,
the Medicare actuary who estimates that ObamaCare's $716 billion in
Medicare cuts will cause one of six hospitals to become unprofitable. In
the audience was Chip Kahn, the president of a for-profit hospital trade
group that lobbied for ObamaCare, who stood up to defend the bargain his
industry cut in return for 30 million new subsidized customers.
Mr. Foster noted that the cuts, which come via a technical change to
Medicare payment rates, apply in perpetuity. But the hospitals only get
the extra patients once, so the wedge between costs and benefits for
hospitals widens over time.
"Well," Mr. Kahn replied, "you can say, 'Did you make a bad deal?'
Fortunately I don't think I'll probably be working after 2020." When Mr.
Foster pressed him, he joked again, "I'm glad my contract only goes
another six years."
This kind of short-range thinking�and intellectual exhaustion�dominates
both parties and their many clients in Washington, in health care
especially.Mr. Ryan's political character has always been different. He
saw before anyone else that one era of government was inexorably ending,
and that if we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
That's you future under Obama , enjoy!
?...@qmail.not
Aug 15, 2012, 12:36:18 PM8/15/12
to
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:09:47 -0600, sea of green <jer...@hill.ary>
wrote:
true? I hope we keep what we have, fix it if we have to and not have
to face Romney/RyanCare and empty promises.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/health-care-spin-again/
As the election draws near, some conservative groups are making
ever-wilder claims about the new health care law:
�An elderly man in a Crossroads GPS ad makes the death-panel-esque
claim that the law �threatens our lives.�
�The 60 Plus Association has a World War II veteran evoking the
Normandy invasion and claiming that �your freedoms will be chipped
away,� unless the legislation is repealed.
�The American Action Network made the false statement that �jail
time� would be the punishment for not having insurance, when the law
in fact forbids any criminal penalties.
In addition, we continue to see claims from the Republican side that
the law creates �government-run� health care, or will cause a steep
rise in premiums for typical families, or will give health insurance
to illegal immigrants, or will lead to widespread cuts in Medicare
benefits. As we�ve written before, none of that is true. We also see
claims that the law allows tax dollars to be used to fund abortions,
despite specific language in the law forbidding that.
Misrepresenting the health care law has been perhaps the single most
dominant theme of attack ads by GOP candidates, party groups and
independent conservative organizations. A record estimated $4 billion
is being spent on both sides in this midterm election, according to
the Center for Responsive Politics. And from our observations, a large
part of that is being spent to discredit the health care legislation
and the Democrats who voted for it. In this article we wrap up all
this health care spin, examining both the latest claims and those that
have been repeated most often.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/health-care-spin-again/
wrote:
>
>On 8/14/2012 8:38 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>
>But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
>plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
>
So sayeth the spammer but will Romney really do this?
>On 8/14/2012 8:38 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>
>But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
>plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
>
>
>http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
>
>What are the immediate effects of this plan?
>This plan has no effect on current seniors or those nearing retirement.
>It will go into effect for younger Americans when they reach retirement
>in the future.
>
The most you post this, the more I see right wing propaganda. It is
>http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
>
>What are the immediate effects of this plan?
>This plan has no effect on current seniors or those nearing retirement.
>It will go into effect for younger Americans when they reach retirement
>in the future.
>
true? I hope we keep what we have, fix it if we have to and not have
to face Romney/RyanCare and empty promises.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/health-care-spin-again/
As the election draws near, some conservative groups are making
ever-wilder claims about the new health care law:
�An elderly man in a Crossroads GPS ad makes the death-panel-esque
claim that the law �threatens our lives.�
�The 60 Plus Association has a World War II veteran evoking the
Normandy invasion and claiming that �your freedoms will be chipped
away,� unless the legislation is repealed.
�The American Action Network made the false statement that �jail
time� would be the punishment for not having insurance, when the law
in fact forbids any criminal penalties.
In addition, we continue to see claims from the Republican side that
the law creates �government-run� health care, or will cause a steep
rise in premiums for typical families, or will give health insurance
to illegal immigrants, or will lead to widespread cuts in Medicare
benefits. As we�ve written before, none of that is true. We also see
claims that the law allows tax dollars to be used to fund abortions,
despite specific language in the law forbidding that.
Misrepresenting the health care law has been perhaps the single most
dominant theme of attack ads by GOP candidates, party groups and
independent conservative organizations. A record estimated $4 billion
is being spent on both sides in this midterm election, according to
the Center for Responsive Politics. And from our observations, a large
part of that is being spent to discredit the health care legislation
and the Democrats who voted for it. In this article we wrap up all
this health care spin, examining both the latest claims and those that
have been repeated most often.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/health-care-spin-again/
Pelican Pt.
Aug 15, 2012, 1:43:29 PM8/15/12
to
On 8/15/2012 10:36 AM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:09:47 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/14/2012 8:38 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>>
>> But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
>> plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
>>
> So sayeth the spammer but will Romney really do this?
We already know what Obama the liar has reneged on:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:09:47 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/14/2012 8:38 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>>
>> But it will _never_ impact you because YOU are on Medicare, and that
>> plan will not change for anyone 55 and over under Romney:
>>
> So sayeth the spammer but will Romney really do this?
http://www.cudahynow.com/blogs/communityblogs/166060946.html
Some of Obama's Broken Promises
Posted by Randy Hollenbeck on Aug. 14, 2012 | 1 comment
2012 Election, Liberals, Obama
Cut the Deficit in Half: The Romney campaign and other Republicans have
repeatedly pointed out what they consider to be the biggest broken
promise � the president vowing shortly after taking office to cut an
inherited deficit in half by the end of his first term.
The deficit was $1.4 trillion in fiscal 2009 and is projected to dip to
$1.2 trillion this fiscal year, according to the White House budget
office. Even in 2013, the budget office projects the deficit will be
nearly $1 trillion.
�The president has not taken any serious action to tame the deficit,�
Romney told Fox News on Tuesday. �He has not done what he said was
going to do and has left a lot of people in the middle class having
difficult times.�
Fix the Economy: Regardless of when the country�s economic problems
started, the president also vowed during his campaign to fix the economy
in three years. Fourteen months later, he said missing the deadline
would make his presidency a �one-term proposition.�
The U.S. unemployment rate has remained above 8 percent for more than
three years, despite the president's economic adviser predicting one
month into the administration that the president�s roughly $787 billion
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act would keep unemployment below 8
percent and reduce it to about 6 percent by this year.
�By any measure, the president�s approach has failed,� Louisiana Gov.
Bobby Jindal said in a recent op-ed for the Tri-Parish Times.
Close Guantanamo Bay: Obama has also so far been unable to shutter the
Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba, though this is more of a concern
for Obama's base than Republicans.
Obama's effort in 2009 to suspend military commissions in Cuba and his
attempt to transfer some prisoners to an Indiana corrections facility
were met with opposition from the military and Congress. And last year
the president signed a bill that restricted the transfer of prisoners to
the U.S. mainland and essentially allows Guantanamo Bay to remain open
indefinitely.
Televise Health Care Debate: Obama also said repeatedly in his run for
the White House � in TV ads, on the campaign trail and in at least one
debate � that the negotiations on his health care reform plan would be
televised, if he were elected. However, final health care talks,
including the meetings between House and Senate conferees, were held
behind closed doors.
Increase Transparency: Obama once predicted that his administration
would have an �unprecedented� level of transparency.
Lobbyists later told reporters they met with administration officials
outside the White House in a possible effort to keep them off visitors
logs. News agencies and others have complained about the difficulty in
getting information through Freedom of Information Act filings. Most
recently, the president used executive privilege to keep congressional
investigators from getting more Justice Department documents on the
agency�s failed Operation Fast and Furious gun-tracking effort.
"President Obama has run one of the least transparent administrations in
American history," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said
recently. "Whether hiding lobbyists in coffee shops, cutting back-room
deals on ObamaCare, or concealing the records of Fast and Furious,
President Obama's pledge to be transparent has turned out to be just
another broken promise."
>>
>> http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
>>
>> What are the immediate effects of this plan?
>> This plan has no effect on current seniors or those nearing retirement.
>> It will go into effect for younger Americans when they reach retirement
>> in the future.
>>
> The most you post this, the more I see right wing propaganda.
Obama's GUTTING of Medicare.
You are OUTED.
> It is true? I hope we keep what we have, fix it if we have to and not have
> to face Romney/RyanCare and empty promises.
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