Flying the Texas Flag
boden
hearing that one of the conditions associated with the annexation of
Texas was that, unlike the other state flags, the Texas flag was to fly
at the same height as the US flag. I have searched trying to find a
treaty, law, etc. that supports this position without success. Have you
ever come across this?
Thanks,
B
Rick Bowen
wrote:
Heard of it. Never saw an "official" document. :-(
Rick Bowen
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tyger
but according to the US code any flag can be flown at equal height to the US
flag.
boden <bod...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Patrick Larkin Jr
>
> i dont recall anything specific to the annexation of texas
> but according to the US code any flag can be flown at equal height to the US
> flag.
I dont have the cite either, but I think what boden REALLY wants
to find the fairly well-known liberty Texas enjoys as being
the only state where it's legal to fly the state flag
alone or HIGHER than the US flag.
>
> boden <bod...@airmail.net> wrote in message
> news:B98EB7FBEB395BDB.1E13EC09...@lp.airnews.net...
> > I recall, in a Dallas high school government class (many years ago)
> > hearing that one of the conditions associated with the annexation of
> > Texas was that, unlike the other state flags, the Texas flag was to fly
> > at the same height as the US flag. I have searched trying to find a
> > treaty, law, etc. that supports this position without success. Have you
> >
> > ever come across this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > B
> >
> >
> >
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Jim Roth
equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of America.
Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union that was once an
independent Republic.
jr
Kevin Craig
> Texas is the only state in the Union that is allowed to fly the state colors
> equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of America.
> Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union that was once an
> independent Republic.
*Every* state may fly their flag equal to, but not above, the U.S. flag.
The U.S. flag must alway fly on the right if other flags are at an equal height.
Kevin
Ragnar (no, not THE Ragnar)
Constitution.
Jim Roth wrote:
> Texas is the only state in the Union that is allowed to fly the state colors
> equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of America.
> Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union that was once an
> independent Republic.
>
Billt
And Texas is the only state to enter the union by treaty.
Bill Turner
the "Papers of Union" or what ever the treaty of
union between Texas and the US was called.
I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
to the US flag. Because we were an Independent
nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
There have been a few that have debated that this was lost
upon rejoining after the Civil war, but the US military still
Acknowledges that Texas has this special distinction.
Texas also reserved the right to split into up to five separate states
if it decided it needed to.
If you were awake in your Texas History Classes (If you grew up in Texas)
you would have learned it.
I have seen it in Encyclopedia articles on Texas history and about Flag
Display
This has been a long known fact about one of the Special Distinctions of
Texas.
It
Kevin Craig <kbc...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:kbcraig-1609...@txk114.txk.net...
> In article <#LZ$Cp#$#GA.76@cpmsnbbsa05>, "Jim Roth" <jim_...@msn.com>
wrote:
>
> > Texas is the only state in the Union that is allowed to fly the state
colors
> > equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of America.
> > Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union that was once an
> > independent Republic.
>
Steven Unruh
: It would not be in the Constitution it would be in
: the "Papers of Union" or what ever the treaty of
: union between Texas and the US was called.
: I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
: And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
: can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
: to the US flag. Because we were an Independent
: nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
: There have been a few that have debated that this was lost
: upon rejoining after the Civil war, but the US military still
: Acknowledges that Texas has this special distinction.
: Texas also reserved the right to split into up to five separate states
: if it decided it needed to.
: If you were awake in your Texas History Classes (If you grew up in Texas)
: you would have learned it.
: I have seen it in Encyclopedia articles on Texas history and about Flag
: Display
: This has been a long known fact about one of the Special Distinctions of
: Texas.
not only that, but our capital (i can see it out my window right now) is
taller than the one in DC.
steve
Wesley Horton
if say the US flag and the Texas flag were flying with the US flag to
the North and the Texas flag to the South, if you view it from the West,
the US flag is to the Left of the the Texas flag....
Hummmm. . .
Yale Woodford
> I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
> And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
> can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
> to the US flag. Because we were an Independent
> nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
>
By that criterion, Hawaii should enjoy the same priviledge. Texas was an
independent republic, Hawaii was an independent kingdom.
Yale
Rick Bowen
<who...@swbell.net> wrote:
I believe it is for persons passing, viewing it.
Explanation: Facing a business from the street, (as a visitor to
your establishment would), vs. you being the employee or owner
would see it. IOW, you are projecting it to the public. Read left
to right.
1 US
1 Visitor - - - -> You-- Building.
1 TX
1
1
^
Road
Does that make sense? I hate trying to explain/draw in ASCII.
Rick Bowen
Rick Bowen
wrote:
>It would not be in the Constitution it would be in
>the "Papers of Union" or what ever the treaty of
>union between Texas and the US was called.
>
>
>I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
>And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
>can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
>to the US flag. Because we were an Independent
>nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
>
>There have been a few that have debated that this was lost
>upon rejoining after the Civil war, but the US military still
>Acknowledges that Texas has this special distinction.
>
>Texas also reserved the right to split into up to five separate states
>if it decided it needed to.
Texas also gave that right up in '96, IIRC.
>If you were awake in your Texas History Classes (If you grew up in Texas)
>you would have learned it.
>
>I have seen it in Encyclopedia articles on Texas history and about Flag
>Display
>This has been a long known fact about one of the Special Distinctions of
>Texas.
>
>It
>Kevin Craig <kbc...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>news:kbcraig-1609...@txk114.txk.net...
>> In article <#LZ$Cp#$#GA.76@cpmsnbbsa05>, "Jim Roth" <jim_...@msn.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> > Texas is the only state in the Union that is allowed to fly the state
>colors
>> > equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of America.
>> > Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union that was once an
>> > independent Republic.
>>
>> *Every* state may fly their flag equal to, but not above, the U.S. flag.
>>
>> The U.S. flag must alway fly on the right if other flags are at an equal
>height.
>>
>> Kevin
>
>
Rick Bowen
SilkNLacyLady
writes:
>
>Interesting observation, but from which point of view? In other words,
>if say the US flag and the Texas flag were flying with the US flag to
>the North and the Texas flag to the South, if you view it from the West,
>the US flag is to the Left of the the Texas flag....
Other flags flown at equal height with the US Flag must be flown to the left of
it, from its point of view. The senior flag, always considered to be the US
Flag, is to the right.
Kevin Craig
> I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
So did I.
> And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
> can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
> to the US flag.
Bull-loney.
Cite, please? U.S. Code, or AR?
The flag etiquette taught in the U.S. Army is that no flag may be flown in
a position of prominence greater than the flag of the U.S. "Position of
prominence" means higher than, *or* to the right of or in front of, the
U.S. Flag.
If other flags are at the same height, the U.S. Flag must be the
rightmost. The allowance for other flags being at the same height pretty
much shoots down the idea that no state flag may be flown at the same
height as the U.S. Flag.
Other Color Guard details:
The U.S. Flag is always raised first and lowered last, whether in a color
guard formation or when flown from an installed staff.
The U.S. Flag is never "dipped", except as needed to clear an overhead
obstruction while marching. When presented by a Color Guard, at "present
arms" all flags are dipped (in reverse order of prominence) except the
U.S. Flag, which remains upright.
There is to be only *one* U.S. Flag flown per installation or major
activity. On military bases, this is generally at the highest HQ on the
base. Sub-installations may also fly the Flag. The most blatant
violation of this etiquette is at the U.S. Capitol, which flies 50 U.S.
flags at equal height, and also employees a special detail to continously
raise and lower U.S. Flags on a special pole at the Capitol, in order to
maintain a steady supply of flags that were "flown over the U.S. Capitol
on XXX date". These are used as "gimmees" for constituency groups.
The U.S. Congress has also perpetrated two other bastardizations of flag
etiquette that crawl all over me: first, the flag behind the Speaker's
podium is hung incorrectly. It's hung vertically, but with the blue field
at the upper left. Flag law requires the blue field in the upper left
when the flag is hung, but that's for a *horizontal* flag. To convert it
to a *vertical* display, you rotate 90 degrees clockwise, which places the
field at the upper right. With a vertical flag hung so that the field is
in the upper left, rotating it 90 degrees in either direction results in
either: a) a flag that is backwards; or, b) a flag that is upside down.
Given the current state of affairs in the U.S. House, upside down is
probably appropriate.
The second travesty is the "flying backwards" flags that were dictated
sometime in the late 1980s. These are the flags on the right sides of all
military aircraft, and as right shoulder patches for
internationally-deployed U.S. troops, which have the field of stars on the
right. Leave it to the U.S. House of Lawyers (err, *Representatives*) to
so strictly interpret Flag Code as to hang their own flag reversed (to
keep the field on the upper left), and bow to a designer's sensitivities
to require that right-side flags fly blatantly backwards so that the
stripes will "flow".
When flags are mounted in stands so that their staffs are crossed, the
U.S. Flag is not only on the right, but its staff must also be in front.
"Rightmost" is defined as the "flag's right"; IOW, if it's in front of a
building, if you stand at the front of the building looking outward, the
U.S. Flag would be on your right. If it's on a stage, it's on the
speaker's right (the audience's left). (I once went several rounds of
verbal sparring with a USMC Gunnery Sergeant on this matter, who insisted
on presenting the colors in a bizzarly complex way so that the U.S. Flag
wound up on "the right"... except he was using the wrong "right". It was
his flag detail, I was just a former Army lieutenant, what did I know?)
</RANT>
Pardon me... I had a moment there.
> Because we were an Independent
> nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
I didn't grow up in Texas, and never took Texas history, so I can't
comment on these matters.
Kevin
Kip Allen
Kip
Yale Woodford wrote:
> Bill Turner wrote:
>
> > I Trained Color Guards in the US Army.
> > And TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE which
> > can legally fly its flag at EQUAL height
> > to the US flag. Because we were an Independent
> > nation which joined and not just a territory which was Annexed.
> >
>
Harold Burton
>> independent republic, Hawaii was an independent kingdom.
Nah, Hawaii was conquered, had many years as an American protectorate, and
was then
granted statehood. Think of it this way, Texas
was a volunteer, Hawaii was drafted.
John A. Stovall
wrote:
>So was California.
>
Not really. What Six months? Texas has an independent county with
diplomatic recognition by foreign governments for eleven years.
I can show you the French Legation Building in Austin, where is one in
the so called Republic of California?
Where was California's, Alamo, it's San Jacinto, who was it's Houston?
Please, don't give us this nonsense, Kip. It was a fiction and sham.
Not my provider's views.
John Alex Stovall
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Tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.
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Kip Allen
California in 1846-47. American forces put down the revolutionaries by
force of arms and incorporated California into the U.S. As with the
Texas War of Indepenence, history is written by the victors.
Kip
Clark Simmons
Texas did not join the union by treaty. It was annexed by
joint resolution of Congress. A treary was attenpted, but
the U.S. Congress failed to ratify it because of Texas'
national debt.
I just now received word that Sabine County ratified the new
Constitution for Texas. When 175 more counties ratify,
Texas will be a free republic again.
I have a web site with some of the founding documents of
Texas Its at:
http://xld.com/public/texas/freetx.htm
It includes the Annexation Resolution.
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In article
<1431E83331E5E5E0.27E7A358...@lp.airne
ws.net>, bi...@starbase.neosoft.com (Billt) wrote:
> And Texas is the only state to enter the union by
> treaty.
> In article <#LZ$Cp#$#GA.76@cpmsnbbsa05>, Jim Roth
> <jim_...@msn.com> wrote:
> >Texas is the only state in the Union that is allowed
> to fly the state colors
> >equal to (not above) the Flag of the United States of
> America.
> >Justification: Texas is the only state in the Union
> that was once an
> >independent Republic.
> >
> >jr
> >
> >boden <bod...@airmail.net> wrote in message
> >news:B98EB7FBEB395BDB.1E13EC099C5BBC74.E110EC242A4DAF8
> B...@lp.airnews.net...
> >> I recall, in a Dallas high school government class
> (many years ago)
> >> hearing that one of the conditions associated with
> the annexation of
> >> Texas was that, unlike the other state flags, the
> Texas flag was to fly
> >> at the same height as the US flag. I have searched
> trying to find a
> >> treaty, law, etc. that supports this position
> without success. Have you
> >>
> >> ever come across this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> B
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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John A. Stovall
wrote:
>The "Bear Flag Revolution" kicked the Mexicans out of north and central
>California in 1846-47. American forces put down the revolutionaries by
>force of arms and incorporated California into the U.S. As with the
>Texas War of Indepenence, history is written by the victors.
>
>Kip
Kip, how many foreign nations had diplomatic relations with the
Republic of California? That is my point. What nation's recognized
them as a sovereign Republic and for how long?
It was a sham for an American take over.