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From: Dustin Lennon <demonicpa...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:22:41 -0600
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The best I can locate for the "Who to follow" functionality from the Twitter
API is under the User Resources and touching on GET users/suggestions and
GET users/suggestions/:slug now how to come close to what Twitter places on
their Who to follow page is beyond me.

-Dustin
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Mike Champion <mike.champ...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification Ryan. Two questions:
>
> 1) Do you have a clear definition of what counts as a Twitter client?
> Is it any app/service that posts updates to Twitter, including apps
> like twitterfeed and Instapaper? Or is it only those apps that are
> "primarily" clients? I'm certainly familiar with the challenge of
> classifying apps ;) but wanted to know who will be covered by the ToS
> Section 1.5 and how you think about "clients" given Twitter's updated
> stance.
>
> 2) In section 1.5.A of the ToS it says:
>
> "Your Client must use the Twitter API as the sole source for features
> that are substantially similar to functionality offered by Twitter.
> Some examples include trending topics, who to follow, and suggested
> user lists."
>
> Is the "Who to follow" functionality available via API from Twitter
> for clients that want to offer this? I wasn't aware that it been
> released as API but may have missed it on dev.twitter.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -mike
>
> On Mar 11, 3:47 pm, Eric Mill <kproject...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "More specifically, developers ask us if they should build client apps
> that
> > mimic or reproduce the mainstream Twitter consumer client experience.
>  The
> > answer is no."
> >
> > "We need to ensure users can interact with Twitter the same way
> everywhere."
> >
> > I'm not sure you can say these things and simultaneously try to say you
> have
> > a welcoming developer environment. All third party Twitter developers, no
> > matter what they make, are now walking on eggshells, constantly at risk
> of
> > offending Twitter's ideas of how users should interact with Twitter.
> >
> > You may feel you "need" this consistency, but you don't. You want it, and
> > are willing to make tradeoffs to get it. I just hope you realize how big
> > those tradeoffs are, and how chilling it is for Twitter to decide that
> only
> > certain kinds of innovation on the Twitter API are welcome.
> >
> > -- Eric
>
> --
> Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc
> API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi
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<font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">The best I can locate for the &quot;Who to=
 follow&quot; functionality from the Twitter API is under the User Resource=
s and touching on GET users/suggestions and GET users/suggestions/:slug now=
 how to come close to what Twitter places on their Who to follow page is be=
yond me.<br>

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Mike Ch=
ampion <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike.champ...@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">mike.champ...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">


Thanks for the clarification Ryan. Two questions:<br>
<br>
1) Do you have a clear definition of what counts as a Twitter client?<br>
Is it any app/service that posts updates to Twitter, including apps<br>
like twitterfeed and Instapaper? Or is it only those apps that are<br>
&quot;primarily&quot; clients? I&#39;m certainly familiar with the challeng=
e of<br>
classifying apps ;) but wanted to know who will be covered by the ToS<br>
Section 1.5 and how you think about &quot;clients&quot; given Twitter&#39;s=
 updated<br>
stance.<br>
<br>
2) In section 1.5.A of the ToS it says:<br>
<br>
&quot;Your Client must use the Twitter API as the sole source for features<=
br>
that are substantially similar to functionality offered by Twitter.<br>
Some examples include trending topics, who to follow, and suggested<br>
user lists.&quot;<br>
<br>
Is the &quot;Who to follow&quot; functionality available via API from Twitt=
er<br>
for clients that want to offer this? I wasn&#39;t aware that it been<br>
released as API but may have missed it on <a href=3D"http://dev.twitter.com=
" target=3D"_blank">dev.twitter.com</a>.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-mike<br>
</font><div><div></div><div><br>
On Mar 11, 3:47=C2=A0pm, Eric Mill &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kproject...@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">kproject...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &quot;More specifically, developers ask us if they should build client=
 apps that<br>
&gt; mimic or reproduce the mainstream Twitter consumer client experience. =
=C2=A0The<br>
&gt; answer is no.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;We need to ensure users can interact with Twitter the same way e=
verywhere.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m not sure you can say these things and simultaneously try to sa=
y you have<br>
&gt; a welcoming developer environment. All third party Twitter developers,=
 no<br>
&gt; matter what they make, are now walking on eggshells, constantly at ris=
k of<br>
&gt; offending Twitter&#39;s ideas of how users should interact with Twitte=
r.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; You may feel you &quot;need&quot; this consistency, but you don&#39;t.=
 You want it, and<br>
&gt; are willing to make tradeoffs to get it. I just hope you realize how b=
ig<br>
&gt; those tradeoffs are, and how chilling it is for Twitter to decide that=
 only<br>
&gt; certain kinds of innovation on the Twitter API are welcome.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Eric<br>
<br>
--<br>
Twitter developer documentation and resources: <a href=3D"http://dev.twitte=
r.com/doc" target=3D"_blank">http://dev.twitter.com/doc</a><br>
API updates via Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/twitterapi" target=
=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/twitterapi</a><br>
Issues/Enhancements Tracker: <a href=3D"http://code.google.com/p/twitter-ap=
i/issues/list" target=3D"_blank">http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issue=
s/list</a><br>
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