Re: [twitter-dev] Digest for twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 4 Topics

[Jonathan Timar]

Would somebody take me off this damn mailing list? When I got to the homepage to unsubscribe it says I can't because I am not currently a member. Well then why am I getting these emails? Make them stop please.

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Subject: [twitter-dev] Digest for twitter-deve...@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 4 Topics

  Today's Topic Summary

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/topics

• Please allow me to see people who RT me! ! [6 Updates]
• Kill the new RT feature - it's non-relational [3 Updates]
• Geotagging API [1 Update]
• Can't post tweets from my server with an account [1 Update]

 Topic: Please allow me to see people who RT me! !

Chuck Blakeman <cfbla...@gmail.com> Nov 22 08:46AM -0700

 
Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only)
degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step backwards
for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of relationship
building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter, and 3) it will
increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I missing here on what's
good about this?
 
Ignoring Relationship Building
People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's how we
build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find people I want to
meet is that they like what I say, and more often than not, an RT tells me
they like what I say, and I do the same for them. To keep me from being
able to see people who like what I say removes one of the best ways of
building relationships Twitter has. I NEED to see an RT from people who
aren't following me to help me build my business.
 
Elitist Arrrogance
Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed that
people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up your nose at
people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that. This mindset doesn't
want to build relationships but just wants to be able to count how many
faceless, nameless people RT them - how arrogant is that?
 
Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT - copy,
paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of work. But
that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing just to gain
followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for spamming. Now by
the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing like changing TV channels
w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it meant enough to them to put a
little effort into building that relationship with you - just stop holding
your finger up and let it fall - that really shows a how much that comment
meant to you?
 
Summary
Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become less
and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability to build
relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it easier for people
to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to spam people to death. And
this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing it. Facebook is starting to look
good all of a sudden.
 
CAN'T YOU MAKE IT A CHOICE TO SEE RTs FROM NON-FOLLOWERS? WHY SHOULD I
SUFFER BECAUSE THE TWITTER ELITE ARE TIRED OF THEIR FOLLOWERS?


 

Michael Ekstrand <mic...@elehack.net> Nov 22 10:14AM -0600

 
Chuck Blakeman wrote:
> and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I
> missing here on what's good about this?
Have you tried looking at the "Your tweets, retweeted" tab in the
Retweets page on Twitter's web site?
 
- Michael
 
--
mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type.
Confused by the strange files? I cryptographically sign my messages.
For more information see <http://www.elehack.net/resources/gpg>.
 
 


 

chuckblakeman <cfbla...@gmail.com> Nov 22 09:24AM -0800

 
I don't see any RTs in the "Your tweets, retweeted" tab from people
WHO AREN'T FOLLOWING ME. I want to see those!
 
Is there a way for me to see people who RT me who aren't following
me? That's the biggest problem i see with this, and unless I can find
those people, this whole "upgrade" ignores some basic fundamentals of
building relationships.
 
Imagine having people visit your blog and try to leave a comment that
they agree with you and you're not allowed to see it. And this is an
upgrade? Still not seeing any upgrade here.
 


 

Duane Roelands <duane.r...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:13AM -0800

 
I believe the "Retweets Of Me" timeline is what you're looking for.
 


 

chuckblakeman <cfbla...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:44AM -0800

 
I'm confusing you - I meant to say I want to see the RTs of people WHO
DO NOT FOLLOW ME. How do I view those?
 
 


 

Zac Bowling <zbow...@gmail.com> Nov 22 12:54PM -0800

 
This a twitter developers list. Try twitter on getsatisfaction,com or
http://help.twitter.com to contact twitter support.
 
We are the last group to want to hear you scream about how horrible twitter
is, and how it's hurting your user experience as an end user trying to game
twitter to build your personal brand. Also as third party engineers we are
all probably the last to care to be preached at about "twitter elitism".
 
Zac Bowling
@zbowling


 

 Topic: Kill the new RT feature - it's non-relational

chuckblakeman <cfbla...@gmail.com> Nov 22 07:49AM -0800

 
AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!
 
Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only)
degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step
backwards for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of
relationship building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter,
and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I
missing here on what's good about this?
 
Ignoring Relationship Building
People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's
how we build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find
people I want to meet is that they like what I say, and more often
than not, an RT tells me they like what I say, and I do the same for
them. To keep me from being able to see people who like what I say
removes one of the best ways of building relationships Twitter has. I
NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build
my business.
 
Elitist Arrogance
Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed
that people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up
your nose at people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that.
This mindset doesn't want to build relationships but just wants to be
able to count how many faceless, nameless people RT them - how
arrogant is that?
 
Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT -
copy, paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of
work. But that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing
just to gain followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for
spamming. Now by the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing
like changing TV channels w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it
meant enough to them to put a little effort into building that
relationship with you - just stop holding your finger up and let it
fall - that really shows a how much that comment meant to you?
 
Summary
Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become
less and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability
to build relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it
easier for people to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to
spam people to death. And this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing
it. Facebook is starting to look good all of a sudden.


 

Duane Roelands <duane.r...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:12AM -0800

 
I lost tack of how many times you contradicted yourself, so I'll just
point out the big one.
 
"AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!"
 
...and then...
 
" I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me
build my business."
 
You didn't have the option to filter retweets from non-followers
before. This feature makes that possible for developers to give you
that feature in client software. So, this feature makes it POSSIBLE
to give you the feature you want when it wasn't possible before.
 
Maybe you want this feature, maybe you don't. I can't tell from your
ranting which you want or don't want. But, this change puts more
control in the hands of developers and that's a good thing. You may
or may not agree with that. You'll probably agree AND disagree in the
same response.
 
 


 

Julio Biason <julio....@gmail.com> Nov 23 06:26AM +1100

 
> Ignoring Relationship Building
 
Quite the contrary. If one of my friends retweets someone that I'm not
following and it's interesting enough, I'll probably follow the
original author. It's a way for your followers to show interesting
thoughts and things that they thing THEIR followers will thing it's
interesting enough to follow.
 
> Elitist Arrogance
 
As far as I know, you don't see when one of your followers retweets
someone you posted.
 
> Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
 
'Cause all Twitter traffic is meaningful? It can be abused, yes. But
EVERYTHING twitter provides in the form of APIs can be abused in a way
or another. Mass following/unfollowing, by any chance?
 
> Summary
 
Summary: You don't understand twitter or the new retweet feature.
 
--
Julio Biason <julio....@gmail.com>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/juliobiason


 

 Topic: Geotagging API

JOHN OBRIEN <john....@twangu.com> Nov 22 11:51AM -0500

 
Raffi - thanks for confirming that only type Point is being leveraged
at this time... made my update to TwapperKeeper much easier this
morning.
 
Of course, I created a little technical baggage depending on when
other types are leveraged.. but will cross that bridge when the time
comes.
 
Thanks again,
John
@jobrieniii
http://twapperkeeper.com
 
On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote:
 


 

 Topic: Can't post tweets from my server with an account

Damdam <damien...@gmail.com> Nov 22 03:51AM -0800

 
Hi there,
 
I have an issue when trying to post a tweet from my server with my
personal account (no problem with others). For example, from my
Macbook, I tried :
 
curl -u damdam:(password) -d status="" http://twitter.com/statuses/update.xml
 
and I have a correct answer (no status).
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<hash>
<request>/statuses/update.xml</request>
<error>Client must provide a 'status' parameter with a value.</error>
</hash>
 
Good answer :-)
 
Same curl from my sever, but not the same rely:
 
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<hash>
<request>/statuses/update.xml</request>
<error>Could not authenticate you.</error>
</hash>
 
Everything was right, but this happened after my account has been
hacked (I changed the password, etc).
 
Could you help me finding what's wrong (IP banned for one account ???)
 
Thanks !
 
Damien
@damdam
 
I'm the developer of boarding.fr (tweet #boarding along with your
airport code) and eyetweet.net ;