The immediate future of Twine/twee

[Sweetleaf]

Hi everyone. So I was wondering, though rather reluctantly, is there
a viable alternative to Twine/twee if it's not being developed any
more please?

I really like Twine and would really like to see it developed further,
but it seems that would just be wishful thinking at this point. So
what I would be looking for is something very similar, that outputs
the finished product as html, so as close to twine as possible really.

I feel quite bad for asking this too, but don't feel I have much of a
choice with twine being incomplete.

[Måns]

Hi Sweetleaf

> I really like Twine and would really like to see it developed further,
> but it seems that would just be wishful thinking at this point.  So
> what I would be looking for is something very similar, that outputs
> the finished product as html, so as close to twine as possible really.
>
> I feel quite bad for asking this too, but don't feel I have much of a
> choice with twine being incomplete.

Please have a look at TiddlyWiki http://tiddlywiki.com http://tiddlyspot.com
and http://tiddlyspace.com .

You should be able to construct stories, which behave very much like
those produced by twine, directly in TiddlyWiki - in a webbrowser, -
no other software needed.

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Chuck]

Greetings Mans.

> Please have a look at TiddlyWikihttp://tiddlywiki.comhttp://tiddlyspot.com
> andhttp://tiddlyspace.com.
>
> You should be able to construct stories, which behave very much like
> those produced by twine, directly in TiddlyWiki - in a webbrowser, -
> no other software needed.
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Nifty Wiki and resources, but nothing there that even approximates
Twine in its most rudimentary form. Do you have any example of CYOA
stories in the Tiddly format?

Chuck

[Måns]

Hi Chuck

> Nifty Wiki and resources, but nothing there that even approximates
> Twine in its most rudimentary form.

TweeBox/Twee was based on TiddlyWiki from the start - Twee /
TiddlyWiki languages are essentially the same javascript macrocalls
css and html..
Watch: http://vimeo.com/5011133 to get Chris' comments about
tiddlywiki

Do you have any example of CYOA

> stories in the Tiddly format? Stories wich are published from Twee to html are actually simplified TiddlyWikis..Sugarcane, Jonah, TiddlyWiki1 and TiddlyWiki2...
"These stories were created with Twee, a free tool based on
TiddlyWiki. " from http://gimcrackd.com/
I couldn't find any polished CYOA stories however here's a simple one
demonstrating a simple concept : http://domnit.org/mall.html

TiddlyWiki for writers: http://wiki.libertyhallwriters.org/doku.php?id=tiddlywiki
see http://db.tt/IYABnvZ
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5271682/Organize-Your-Novel-with-a-Wiki
http://www.ljcohen.net/resources-wiki.html
http://www.ljcohen.net/Tiddlywikiwrite-2-6-1.html

cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Chris]

Hi all,

I've been working on an interactive story hosting service, and am
thinking of making it work with twee-style source code (and possibly
eventually writing a compiler to go along with it).

It's very early on, and there is a *lot* to do, but I'm beginning to
explore the possibility. How much interest would there be for
something of that sort?

Cheers
Chris

[Defectiv]

Hi Chris,

Not to sound ungrateful, but I would much rather see Twine work better :) 

Especially the <back> issue, which basically breaks the program for me :(

I think Twine could be an excellent program, best of it's kind.

As for hosting, well, Twine gives me html, and that I can host anywhere, so what am I missing? What would a special hosting service for it give me extra? There are some interactive story hosts out there Don't ask where, I googled them, tried them, ignored them. Some are flash based and look nice, but none get even close to Twine for more complex stories. Some may get close, but get incredibly anoying when you write more complex stuff needing insane amounts of actions, where Twine remains perfectly managable....

Thanks,

Vince

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[Måns]

Hi Chris

> I've been working on an interactive story hosting service, and am
> thinking of making it work with twee-style source code (and possibly
> eventually writing a compiler to go along with it).

Great :-)

> It's very early on, and there is a *lot* to do, but I'm beginning to
> explore the possibility. How much interest would there be for
> something of that sort?

One of the things which prevent me from using your great software is
the fact that I'm *not* running Windows most of the time, and when I
do it is on different machines, in environments where I'm not allowed
to install anything, so I would really love to have access to an
interactive story hosting service! *IF* interactive means that you can
write and compile stories online...
And as Defectiv points out, the freedom of being able to choose where
to publish your material is essential, therefore I suggest that you
should add a "download this story" option.

Actually I've been wondering if you couldn't rewrite most of twees
macros to work with TiddlyWiki as js.plugins to get all of TiddlyWikis
outstanding features both on- and offline as a bonus??

Just a thought from a TiddlyWiki afficionado :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Andrew Wooldridge]

Why not make your hosing service language neutral? Allow others to host things like inform7 and choicescript http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/choicescript-intro/

The world of IF is fragmented enough - you might garner a critical mass if you allow for more than one kind of IF language.

-Andrew

[Chris]

> And as Defectiv points out, the freedom of being able to choose where
> to publish your material is essential, therefore I suggest that you
> should add a "download this story" option.

I'm in complete agreement :) - if I manage to get this going, the
final product will have a download function. Of course, I'll hope that
the hosting service will be useful enough that people find it of value
too ;-)

> Why not make your hosing service language neutral? Allow others to host
> things like inform7 and choicescripthttp://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/choicescript-intro/
>
> <http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/choicescript-intro/>The world of IF is
> fragmented enough - you might garner a critical mass if you allow for more
> than one kind of IF language.

I would love to do so - but at this point, I'm just one coder and I
fear that would be beyond me for now. :) I may at some point look into
existing I7 compilers and see if they'll work.

This project could take a very long time, so if you're interested,
send me an email and I'll let you know when something's up that
supports some twee.

Chris

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> > .

[alex babansky]

It would be a great thing, because, for instance, there is a growing
Russian IF community, but all available platforms are offline
programs, and there's been a lot of talk of how to make an online
service.
Also, a lot of people write stories with Twee (because Twine doesn't
seem to work with Cyrillic charset).

Oh, and another very important thing. If you're going to enhance the
scripting options, it would be VERY nice to have not only <if> <else>
<endif> cycle, but <elseif> as well.
The lack of this small logical condition really makes you devise all
sorts of awkward substitutes in a story.

Anyway, again thanks a million for thinking of further nurturing your
wonderful program!