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Patrick K. O'Brien  
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 More options Sep 4 2006, 9:43 am
From: "Patrick K. O'Brien" <pobr...@orbtech.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:43:34 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 4 2006 9:43 am
Subject: Re: EVALUATION - TurboGears Persistency System
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Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 22:55 -0400, Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> > Ilias emailed me after running up against trouble on the Django list.
> > I have looked at that wikipedia page.

> > Ilias had some valid points on his wiki regarding Django. I don't
> > mind productive criticism. I also made it clear that I had no
> > intention of buying services, so that commercial aspect to prior
> > complaints about him is a non-starter.

> I'm sure Patrick K. O'Brien thought the same thing:
> http://schevo.org/lists/archives/schevo-devel/2006-May/000749.html

> But reading Ilias' page, he claims that despite Patrick's clear refusal
> of his commercial services, Orbtech, LLC retained him anyway:
> http://audit.lazaridis.com/schevo

> This seems rather odd, given that Orbtech's home page claims that it's
> lead by Patrick K. O'Brien:
> http://orbtech.com/

> Further, he creates the impression that Patrick's refusal of his
> services somehow reflected badly on the project lead:
> http://audit.lazaridis.com/schevo/wiki/SchevoTeamRating

> So apparently Patrick is at odds with Orbtech management, which would
> perhaps mark him as schizophrenic (since he *is* the management) or
> Ilias is a blatant liar.

While I would rather stay out of this discussion as much as possible, I
feel I must address these comments since I have access to certain facts
that others do not.  I do own the company known as Orbtech, so that
would definitely make me part of management.  And Orbtech did indeed
retain the services of Mr. Lazaridis for a period of time.  I had hoped
that good things might result from hiring one of my harshest critics.

My relationship with Ilias had its ups and downs, but there came a time
when I decided to no longer retain his services.  I don't hold any
animosity towards Ilias and wish him well.  I believe he feels the same
way towards me.

I'd rather not comment too much on his methods or reputation as a
spammer other than to say that while I do not agree with many of his
methods, I think some of his reputation is undeserved and unfortunate.
Hopefully you won't believe everything you read about a person and will
attempt to make your own judgements, or just stick to the technical
details of the discussion.

I hope that was helpful.  Ilias is free to disagree with any of my
statements (not that he needs my permission since this is a public
forum).

--
Patrick K. O'Brien
Orbtech       http://www.orbtech.com
Schevo        http://www.schevo.org
Louie         http://www.pylouie.org


 
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