[TurboGears] TG as standalone web server AS jorma

[jormak]

Hi,
I am aware this is a naive question but I'd be very grateful for some
insight as I don't understand: Most TG deplyment scenarios mention using TG
with Apache. Why is this necessary? Why can't TG be used as a standalone web
server serving web pages and responding to web requests at a given port?
Thank you very much
Jorma
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[Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela]

>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:59 AM, jormak <jjk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am aware this is a naive question but I'd be very grateful for some
> insight as I don't understand: Most TG deplyment scenarios mention using TG
> with Apache. Why is this necessary? Why can't TG be used as a standalone web
> server serving web pages and responding to web requests at a given port?

For many reasons, first being that the build in server (Paste) is not
made to work in production environments directly, performance would be
abysmal compared to using apache or a production wsgi server; security
is also a concern as Paste is not meant to be used in production
environments directly.

Now, you could run for example gunicorn or uwsgi directly, both can
serve http directly to any port, but then again serving static files
using a python wsgi server is not very performant compared to apache
or nginx, this is why it is preferred to use apache or nginx (as
reverse proxy).

SSL is another concern, you cannot serve SSL directly with build in
Paste server, but under Apache or nginx you can have an SSL
certificate and serve HTTPS connections.

Regards,
Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela

[Michael Pedersen]

Carlos really did hit it pretty much spot on. Just to throw in my own
two cents worth: TurboGears is not a web server. We use Paste to
provide a development only webserver, but that is very unsuited for
production use. TurboGears is a web application framework that assists
you in making your own web application.

You can't run TG as a webserver because the functionality isn't there.
As for why not to use Paste? See Carlos' reply. He covers that very
well.

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[jormak]

ok thanks very much for very informative replies.

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[Sam]

As others have explained, TG 2.x isn't really designed for this.

If you really want to do it anyway, you might consider TG 1.5. It's
also not designed for this, but it uses CherryPy, which is a very
capable and fast web server.

Even in that case, you're almost certainly better off also using
Apache or something else. But CherryPy is fast, and pretty full
featured.

-Sam

On Oct 15, 6:59 am, jormak <jjk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am aware this is a naive question but I'd be very grateful for some
> insight as I don't understand: Most TG deplyment scenarios mention using TG
> with Apache. Why is this necessary? Why can't TG be used as a standalone web
> server serving web pages and responding to  web requests at a given port?
> Thank you very much
> Jorma
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[Michael Pedersen]

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Sam <sams...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you really want to do it anyway, you might consider TG 1.5. It's
> also not designed for this, but it uses CherryPy, which is a very
> capable and fast web server.

Have to disagree with this. TG2 is where the main work is happening.
TG2 is the path forward for TurboGears. Using TG1.5 without having a
much more solid reason than "it comes with a better web server" is not
something we recommend, at all.