China ‘Incredibly Aggressive’ in Cyber Theft

[Its from Onion]

http://comsecllc.blogspot.com/2011/12/china-incredibly-aggressive-in-cyber.html

China is stealing online information from the United States and feeding the data to homegrown companies for commercial benefit, Michael Hayden, Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency said at the Black Hat Technical Security Conference in Abu Dhabi on Wednesday.

He pointed out that as an intelligence officer, he was "impressed" with the sophistication of Chinese cyber espionage, although spying in cyber space is an activity that all states, including the United States, take part in.

[John Young]

Michael Hayden is a prime promoter and beneficiary of exaggerated
claims of cyber espionage. He serves on the boards of several companies
who pay him well for leveraging the fruits of his long years on the
taxpayer-fed secrecy racket. Nobody outside the secrecy mob is
allowed to verify claims of threats -- a practice of all the globe's
national security racketeers, led by spies and ex-spies like Hayden.

The Iraq war is only one example of spies cooking the books to
support an invasion, no matter the thousands killed and maimed,
and "rogue states" are forever being defined to keep the killing
machine grinding out "actionable" intelligence.

A cyber industry has blossomed with blacks hats happy as
pigs in odure to boost the rigged game by pretending to be rogues,
thieves, bandits, spies, insurgents, terrorists, hackers. A good
paying scam, counterspying.

[martykaiser]

Onion

During my nearly 50 years in business nearly all of the thefts of my proprietary information were by US intelligence agency employees.  My 1080D telephone design was stolen by two army intelligence and one CIA employee.  My 1059 audio preamp was stolen by one army intelligence  and one DEA employee.  My 2050CA RF locator was stolen by air force, army, navy and DEA employees.  There are other cases too numerous to mention.  I would have been honored if China felt enough of me to join those crooks.  I surprised even myself with a comment I made at the last HOPE (Hackers Of Plant Earth) conference when someone asked how I handled theft of proprietary information.  I said "I thought I was smart enough to develop new products faster than the old ones could be stolen."  I went on to say that worked well until I exposed FBI corruption and it all then came crashing to an end.  In addition I had to fight off a whole host of competitors.  Yea for the USA!

Onward, Marty

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From: Its from Onion <areda...@msn.com>
Sent: Sat, December 17, 2011 9:39:29 PM
Subject: [TSCM-L] {5902} China ‘Incredibly Aggressive’ in Cyber Theft

[David Johnson]

You say, “stolen”..  Do you mean actually stolen from your research lab during a break in,  or was is simply reverse engineered, and a competing product was then produced by a private contractor in which you did not receive the benefits of your knowledge and ingenuity.  

 

David Johnson

 

>> During my nearly 50 years in business nearly all of the thefts of my proprietary information were by US intelligence agency employees.  My 1080D telephone design was stolen by two army intelligence and one CIA employee.  My 1059 audio preamp was
>> stolen by one army intelligence  and one DEA employee.  My 2050CA RF locator was stolen by air force, army, navy and DEA employees.  There are other cases too numerous to mention.  I would have been honored if China felt enough of me to join
>> those crooks.  I surprised even myself with a comment I made at the last HOPE (Hackers Of Plant Earth) conference when someone asked how I handled theft of proprietary information.  I said "I thought I was smart enough to develop new products faster than >> the old ones could be stolen."  I went on to say that worked well until I exposed FBI corruption and it all then came crashing to an end.  In addition I had to fight off a whole host of competitors.  Yea for the USA!

 

 

>>China is stealing online information from the United States and feeding the data to homegrown companies for commercial benefit, Michael Hayden, Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency said at the Black Hat >>Technical Security Conference in Abu Dhabi on Wednesday.

>>He pointed out that as an intelligence officer, he was "impressed" with the sophistication of Chinese cyber espionage, although spying in cyber space is an activity that all states, including the United States, take part in.

In which the official stance is that the information gathered  from the US Intelligence agencies is not given to commercial interests

Knowing how the intelligence community works this is the official stance and it is followed strictly to the letter of the law.  For instance, in a joint intelligence session which involves more than 1 country, each country that has a mandate not to gather information on its own citizens scans their product and any product that has their national citizens information is not discarded but is separated and subsequently disappears,   the other countries are welcome to peruse that separated information as it does not contain any information that they are excluded from seeing/using.. The final reports are shared by all members of the community.  Each country did follow the “letter of the law” but not the “spirit of the law”

 

 

 

[d...@geer.org]

> Michael Hayden is a prime promoter and beneficiary of exaggerated
> claims of cyber espionage.

To Hayden's credit, he has called for declassifying the
vulnerabilities that USG knows about.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/hayden-cyber/

> A cyber industry has blossomed with blacks hats happy as
> pigs in odure to boost the rigged game by pretending to be rogues,
> thieves, bandits, spies, insurgents, terrorists, hackers. A good
> paying scam, counterspying.

Not as well paying as spying itself.

http://geer.tinho.net/ieee.sp.geer.1109.pdf

--dan