Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
master
In article <61kbp8$6...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP)
wrote:
> DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
>>>>>snip>>>>
looking for the DEAD BRAIN that posted the above? Look in the sewer!
Alexander Baron
In article <343dccbb...@news.v-wave.com>
check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu "John Morris" writes:
> As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is meant
> to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
> alternative.
What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee. Holocaust
Revisionism - to give it its correct term - has nothing to do with Nazism
which in any case murdered far fewer people than Communism, or Christianity
for that matter. The cattle were burned nationally on a grand scale. As far
as I know it was not claimed that they were lured into gas chambers on the
pretext of being deloused and buried 18,000 at a time in pits.
--
Alexander Baron,
93c Venner Road,
Sydenham,
London SE26 5HU.
England.
+44 (0)181 659 7713
E-Mail A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
John Morris
In <61kbp8$6...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, on 10 Oct 1997 04:43:20 GMT,
ns...@ix.netcom.com (NSWPP) wrote:
>DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
>From an article entitled "Mad About BSE" in the left-leaning
>July-August issue of Nutrition Action Health Letter:
>"To halt the spread of mad cow disease, the British government has
>destroyed more than a million animals. Hundreds of thousands of frozen
>cow carcasses are piled up in storage facilities. Mountains of cow
>flakes---what's left after grinding and boiling these carcasses---will
>take more than a decade to burn."
>Hmmm. Let's see. One cow weighs as much as, oh, say six to ten average
>adult humans.
[snip - the comparison between incinerating 1 million BSE-infected
cows and six million Jews]
>Did the "Nazis" indeed perform a miracle, or did their alleged
>atrocities never take place?
Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
And, by the way, incineration technology has not advanced since the
war: the maximum temperature possible for the proposed cow
incinerators is identical to the specs on the Auschwitz crematoria
because firebrick can only be heated so hot.
As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is meant
to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
alternative.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
--
The Nizkor Project is at http://www.nizkor.org/
Mark Van Alstine
In article <343dccbb...@news.v-wave.com>,
check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu wrote:
> In <61kbp8$6...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, on 10 Oct 1997 04:43:20 GMT,
> ns...@ix.netcom.com (NSWPP) wrote:
>
> >DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
>
> >From an article entitled "Mad About BSE" in the left-leaning
> >July-August issue of Nutrition Action Health Letter:
>
> >"To halt the spread of mad cow disease, the British government has
> >destroyed more than a million animals. Hundreds of thousands of frozen
> >cow carcasses are piled up in storage facilities. Mountains of cow
> >flakes---what's left after grinding and boiling these carcasses---will
> >take more than a decade to burn."
>
> >Hmmm. Let's see. One cow weighs as much as, oh, say six to ten average
> >adult humans.
More like eight to ten "standard reference" humans per mature cow. See:
http://www.human.cornell.edu/DNS/ChinaProject/Text2.HTML
http://www.ccp.com/~angus/journal/97_04apr/cowsize.htm
> [snip - the comparison between incinerating 1 million BSE-infected
> cows and six million Jews]
In regard to incinerating "1 million BSE-infected cows," one proposed
number is actually up to 4.5 million (including 600,000 newborn calves).
The annual number is to be 750,000 at a rate of 15,000 per week burned in
"high-temperature ovens." Excluding the newborn calves, that would be the
rough equivalent to between 32 million and 40 million "standard reference"
humans. On a weekly basis that would be roughly between 120,000 and
150,000 "standard reference" humans.
See:
http://www.sltrib.com/96/APR/02/twr/03321331.htm
http://mad-cow.org/~tom/price_prop.html#Huge
At Auschwitz, during Aktion Ho"ss, typically 9,000 to 12,000 victims were
incinerated per day. That would be bewteen 63,000 and 105,000 victims (a
great many of which were children) per week under non-stop conditions. It
should also be noted that about half of these victims were incinerated in
open-air trenches.
> >Did the "Nazis" indeed perform a miracle, or did their alleged
> >atrocities never take place?
Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
"miracles." Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
Dust_, p.262.)
See also:
http://www.iah.bbsrc.ac.uk/institut/public/reports/1995/3wtse.shtml#18
http://www.nmia.com/~mdibble/prion.html
> And, by the way, incineration technology has not advanced since the
> war...
In general this is not quite true. Modern crematoria are generally fueled
by natural gas (which allows for rapid heating) and are equipped with
exhaust scrubbers and afterburners to prevent air pollution. The
crematoria at Auschwitz were fuled by coke (thus requiring a longer
pre-heat time) and did not have scrubbers and afterburners. (cf. Iserson,
_Death to Dust_, p.262; Pressac, _Technique_,
pp.108-111,137,284-285,288,314,329.)
> ...the maximum temperature possible for the proposed cow
> incinerators is identical to the specs on the Auschwitz crematoria
> because firebrick can only be heated so hot.
In specific regard to the operating temperatures and refractory material,
however, this _is_ true. The initial operating temperatures for modern
crematoria furnaces are aproximately between 1,100°F and 1,300°F. During
cremation the retort temperature can rise to 1,700°F and in some furnaces
between 2,000°F and 2,500°F. In comparison, according to Tops's operating
instructions, the operating temperature for the coke-fired Topf ovens used
at Auschwitz was between 1,472°F (initially) and 2,012°F (during
incineration). (cf. Iserson, _Death to Dust_, p.262; Pressac, _Technique_,
p.136.)
> As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is meant
> to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
> alternative.
Indeed. A point that is illustrated, for example, by "NSWPP's" specious
"comparison" between the disposing of BSE-infected cows via incineration
and the incineration of the victims of Nazi mass murder at Auschwitz.
Mark
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pgroff
>
>What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee. Holocaust
>Revisionism - to give it its correct term - has nothing to do with Nazism
>which in any case murdered far fewer people than Communism, or Christianity
>for that matter. The cattle were burned nationally on a grand scale. As far
>as I know it was not claimed that they were lured into gas chambers on the
>pretext of being deloused and buried 18,000 at a time in pits.
Quite right Alex, Historians truly engaged in Revisionism aren't
associated with Nazis nor trying to exculpate the Nazi Regime. OTOH,
those who deny the Holocaust, are usually envolved with Nazi's or
those who express beliefs similiar to the NSDAP. There is a
difference, ya'know.
Mark Van Alstine
> In article <343dccbb...@news.v-wave.com>
> check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu "John Morris" writes:
> > As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is meant
> > to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
> > alternative.
>
> What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee....
As opposed to Mr. Baron's activities which bought him a visit to the gaol?
> ...Holocaust Revisionism - to give it its correct term - ....
That'd be Holocaust denial.
> ...has nothing to do with Nazism....
Really? Why then are so many deniers preoccupied with Nazi apologia in
their Holocaust denial?
> ...which in any case murdered far fewer people than Communism, or
> Christianity for that matter.
How many people did Communism murder? Or Christianity? Be sure to provide
authoritive citations.
> The cattle were burned nationally on a grand scale.
> As far as I know it was not claimed that they were lured into gas
> chambers on the pretext of being deloused and buried 18,000 at a time in pits.
How does Mr. Baron's know? Did he see it with his own eyes? Maybe they
used cattle-prods instead.
[snip]
The_Pope
Alexander Baron wrote:
> In article <343dccbb...@news.v-wave.com>
> check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu "John Morris"
> writes:
> > As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is
> meant
> > to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
>
> > alternative.
>
> What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee.
> Holocaust
> Revisionism - to give it its correct term - has nothing to do with
> Nazism
> which in any case murdered far fewer people than Communism, or
> Christianity
> for that matter.
True, but when you consider the timespan and number of people in either,
its hardly a comparison. Christianity has been around for 2000 years,
and has penetrated the entire world. Communism has been governing some
countries for decades, and was until recently very dominant in Asia.
Nazism ruled one nation for a relatively short time until it's own
leader destroyed it via his zealousness.
> The cattle were burned nationally on a grand scale. As far
> as I know it was not claimed that they were lured into gas chambers on
> the
> pretext of being deloused and buried 18,000 at a time in pits.
Ever seen the videos of the bodies from the death camps? I have...they
moved them with bulldozers.
NSWPP
DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
From an article entitled "Mad About BSE" in the left-leaning
July-August issue of Nutrition Action Health Letter:
"To halt the spread of mad cow disease, the British government has
destroyed more than a million animals. Hundreds of thousands of frozen
cow carcasses are piled up in storage facilities. Mountains of cow
flakes---what's left after grinding and boiling these carcasses---will
take more than a decade to burn."
Hmmm. Let's see. One cow weighs as much as, oh, say six to ten average
adult humans. So a million cows would be the equivalent of six million
to ten million people. Please allow me to make an obvious historical
comparison. The "Nazis" are alleged to have killed and burned into
ashes six million Jews, as well as millions of other "victims," over a
period of about three years in the early 1940s. During this period,
incineration technology was not even a shadow of what it is today.
Also, those bad "Nazis" worked under very strict and confining security
in order to hide their alleged atrocities, thus making their "evil
deeds" even more difficult to perform. Yet somehow they performed
an utter (udder pun intended) miracle and were able to exterminate and
dispose of more pounds of flesh in three years than today's
cow-flesh-burners can dispose of in ten years. And, according to Jewish
and Jewish-owned "experts," the "Nazis" didn't even grind and boil
their carcasses into flakes!
Did the "Nazis" indeed perform a miracle, or did their alleged
atrocities never take place?
-J. M.
"This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle
of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker
Yockey, IMPERIUM
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js
On 12 Oct 1997 00:08:55 GMT, ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:
>So you refuse to go. When a "tactical police team" come to take you
>away, you have gotten your trusty shotgun out of the gun rack and you
>shoot off a couple of shells.
If the gunman was an urban black, the cops would've blown his head
off! I mean, Rodney King wasn't even armed! Talking about Soviet
Russia is laughable when your story so clearly illustrates the
privileges whites enjoy in our society no matter how criminal and
violent they may be.
Alexander Baron
In article <mvanalst-101...@rbi211.rbi.com>
mvan...@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
> > What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee....
>
> As opposed to Mr. Baron's activities which bought him a visit to the gaol?
>
I was arrested on November 1 1996 and acquitted on May 1 1997. One of the
things I was charged with was assault occasioning actual bodily harm. The basis
for this charge was that I had sent a strongly worded memorandum to a senior
police officer who gave it to another police officer who showed it to the so-called
victim, who was so distressed by its contents that she took six months off work.
> Really? Why then are so many deniers preoccupied with Nazi apologia in
> their Holocaust denial?
Deniers, oh boy. Why are so many "anti-racists" preoccupied with denying the
existence of race? Because people with ideologies jump on and pervert
ideas which they believe further their cause.
Daniel Keren
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# po...@lcc.net "The_Pope" writes:
## Ever seen the videos of the bodies from the death camps?
## I have...they moved them with bulldozers.
# Yes, you have, of Belsen. And of Dachau. People who died
# of starvation and disease
They were starved to death, shot, beaten to death.
# as well as ordinary sorts of war-time brutalities.
Such as mass shooting and starving of innocent civilians?
# There were no "gas chambers" in these camps although the
# Americans staged a gas chamber in Dachau and Organised
# Jewry affirmed the lie.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg, images/Rascher2.jpg
Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler,
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation
courtesy of John Morris.
Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
als "Geheimsache."
[As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
"invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the
action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
marked "Secret"].
<end quote>
I posted this document quite a few times, Al. Can you read,
for God's sake?
-Danny Keren.
Daniel Keren
A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
# I was arrested on November 1 1996 and acquitted on May 1
# 1997. One of the things I was charged with was assault
# occasioning actual bodily harm. The basis for this charge
# was that I had sent a strongly worded memorandum to a senior
# police officer who gave it to another police officer who
# showed it to the so-called victim, who was so distressed
# by its contents that she took six months off work.
Would you post the exact and full text of that letter, Al?
-Danny Keren.
William Wallace
>In <61kbp8$6...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, on 10 Oct 1997 04:43:20 GMT,
>ns...@ix.netcom.com (NSWPP) wrote:
>
>>DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
>
>>From an article entitled "Mad About BSE" in the left-leaning
>>July-August issue of Nutrition Action Health Letter:
>
>>"To halt the spread of mad cow disease, the British government has
>>destroyed more than a million animals. Hundreds of thousands of frozen
>>cow carcasses are piled up in storage facilities. Mountains of cow
>>flakes---what's left after grinding and boiling these carcasses---will
>>take more than a decade to burn."
>>Hmmm. Let's see. One cow weighs as much as, oh, say six to ten average
>>adult humans.
>[snip - the comparison between incinerating 1 million BSE-infected
>cows and six million Jews]
>>Did the "Nazis" indeed perform a miracle, or did their alleged
>>atrocities never take place?
>Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
>and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
Proteins have no independent existance so burning is just a
convenience to burials.
On the other hand, the less burning, the more millions of pounds
of unaccounted for cremains. Holohuggers are never able to deal with
two thoughts at one time.
=====
Dedicated to the six million victims of the chupacabras.
William Wallace
>In article <mvanalst-101...@rbi211.rbi.com>
> mvan...@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
>> > What Harold Covington points out won't buy you a cup of coffee....
>> As opposed to Mr. Baron's activities which bought him a visit to the gaol?
>> > ...Holocaust Revisionism - to give it its correct term - ....
>I was arrested on November 1 1996 and acquitted on May 1 1997. One of the
>things I was charged with was assault occasioning actual bodily harm. The basis
>for this charge was that I had sent a strongly worded memorandum to a senior
>police officer who gave it to another police officer who showed it to the so-called
>victim, who was so distressed by its contents that she took six months off work.
So she spent six months on the dole. Did she ever thank you?
Alexander Baron
In article <343e85cc...@news.txdirect.net>
pgr...@txdirect.net "pgroff" writes:
> Quite right Alex, Historians truly engaged in Revisionism aren't
> associated with Nazis nor trying to exculpate the Nazi Regime. OTOH,
> those who deny the Holocaust, are usually envolved with Nazi's or
> those who express beliefs similiar to the NSDAP. There is a
> difference, ya'know.
>
It's Alexander actually. As I've stated many times elsewhere, nobody
in his right mind denies the Holocaust. What happens is that certain
Jewish organisations, leftists and philo-Semitic creeps - like you
apparently - grossly distort the Revisionists claims and exaggerate them
in order to bring them into ridicule, hatred and contempt. It's not working
any more, not totally.
Alexander Baron
> True, but when you consider the timespan and number of people in either,
> its hardly a comparison.
In other words, only Jewish suffering matters.
>Christianity has been around for 2000 years,
> and has penetrated the entire world. Communism has been governing some
> countries for decades, and was until recently very dominant in Asia.
> Nazism ruled one nation for a relatively short time until it's own
> leader destroyed it via his zealousness.
>
Communism destroyed millions of people in a very short time. Haven't you
heard of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot? Grow up.
> Ever seen the videos of the bodies from the death camps? I have...they
> moved them with bulldozers.
Yes, you have, of Belsen. And of Dachau. People who died of starvation and
disease as well as ordinary sorts of war-time brutalities. There were no "gas
chambers" in these camps although the Americans staged a gas chamber in Dachau
and Organised Jewry affirmed the lie. Read Professor Butz's incisive comments
before you start spouting drivel.
NSWPP
Extreme is as Extreme Does
Patricia Neill
Say you're a middle-aged American woman who just didn't want to see
your relatives over a holiday. Perhaps you don't care for them much.
Perhaps you actively dislike them. The reasons aren't important--you
don't have to visit with relatives if you don't want to, so you don't.
This is a fairly ordinary situation in America, right? Lots of people
don't get along that great with their families.
But then suppose your relatives, taking your not wanting to visit with
them or let them come over to your house, as a sign of "depression."
They go to a judge and ask him to sign papers to have you committed to
an involuntary "psychiatric" evaluation for 24 hours.
This might, just might, seem quite an invasion of your privacy, right?
Especially if you don't like those relatives to begin with. And not
only that, but you're shocked that they would and could do such a
thing. But they can, and there is an entire mechanism for committing
people involuntarily into state run psychiatric institutions...
So you get angry that these bozo relatives of yours have taken the
*extreme* step of attempting to have you committed against your will!
You know you're fine--but you're an American and you're not gonna put
up with this massive invasion of privacy on the behalf of your
wrong-headed family.
And since you are a property-owner, with a mortage-free 47 acres and a
couple of oil wells, well, could it be that these out-of-state
relatives of yours have another objective in mind?
So you refuse to go. When a "tactical police team" come to take you
away, you have gotten your trusty shotgun out of the gun rack and you
shoot off a couple of shells. You were frankly amazed to see all those
police coming up to your house for little ole you, but you still ain't
about to go with them. Why should you?
And the police respond to your action by surrounding your home,
tossing in tear gas, shooting you in the chest with metal bags, running
helicopters overhead, blaring music, cutting your electricity and water
off, and cutting your phone line, you then decide you *definitely* are
not going to go with those crazy police people! They're dangerous! Who
knows how many taxpaid dollars of your friends and neighbors in the
community are going to pay for this .. this seige? At the same time the
police are behaving in this excessive way, they are telling you through
their bullhorns and loudspeakers that they are doing these things for
"your own good." You wonder to yourself, is this *normal* police
behavior? All for this silly commitment thing that your relatives are
trying to pull? Doesn't it seem just a bit *extreme*?
It gets even more extreme as the police refuse to do anything sensible,
like let someone into talk to you. Instead, they besiege your home for
weeks. Luckily, and due to your forethought, you've got food and water
stored, and you can live without the power and outside water. Still,
two weeks--it is amazing to you that this could happen in modern day
America, but it does and more and more often. The police say they are
being "kind"--and you are probably lucky that they have shot you with
worse than metal bean bags ... yet.
The media gathers around, but it told to wait some distance away, which
of course it does.
However, other citizens, having heard of this ... extreme ...
situation, and appalled by it, come to see for themselves. Talk show
hosts on the radio get involved, as do a number of Internet people who
have heard of the immoderate actions of the Illinois state police in
attempting to "help" a woman whose behavior certainly seems sane, if
stubborn.
You, of course, don't know about this outside support, for you're still
besieged in your house by the State Police, who have said they would
withdraw, but haven't. You didn't think they would, since they have
already shown they are willing to use violence.
We don't know the end to this story yet. But ask yourselves exactly who
and what is extreme in this situation--the middle-aged woman who has
remained remarkably sensible and smart throughout this incredible event
in her life? How about the neighbors and citizens who came to find out
what was going on, discovered the situation, recognized how wrong it
seemed to them, and got the news out to the world at large? Have they
been extreme? Or how about the relatives--after all, very few people
who think their mom or aunt might be depressed get a judge to sign an
involuntary psychiatric commitment form. ... Isn't that an extreme
measure to take, for apparently not very good reasons? Especially since
other neighbors and relatives seem to think the woman in question is
fine, perhaps a bit eccentric, but fine. Or how about the state police
themselves? Bringing in a SWAT team to haul in a 51-year old woman to
commit her against her will and have her poked and proded and perhaps
even drugged by some state-paid shrinks in a state-paid institution.
Tear-gassing her! Shooting her with metal bags! Cutting off her power
and water and buzzing helicopters overhead. All in an attempt to
"serve" a committment form in order to "help" her?
Extreme is as extreme does, as we can see all throughout this situation
in Roby Illinois. Let's begin to use that word correctly, shall we, and
assign it to deeds that are indeed very far outside the norm. Or should
be. There are serious shades of Soviet Russia in this event that we had
all better consider.
NSWPP
[Hungarian translation by George Kadar]
Tema: Feher noi fogolynak levelezesre van szuksege
Kedves Olvasok:
Egy Nemzeti Szocialista noi fogolyrol szolunk akinek
kulso tamogatasra an szuksege levelek, udvozlo kartyak, stb.
formajaban. Bizonyos mertekben meg a gyulolkodo liberalisok,
zsidok altal irt levelek is segitenek.
Azoknak kozuletek akik kapjak RESISTANCE (ELLENALLAS)
anyagat mar ismerik a huszonnyolc eves Michelle Benson tortenetet.
1996 Februarjaban amikor a parthoz valo kapcsolata kitudodott
maganzarkaba vetettek egy Floridai bortonben es ot ferfi bortonor
(fekete es feher fajuak vegyesen) brutalisan utlegeltek eletveszejes
seruleseket okozva, tobb bordajat es az ujjat eltortek, komoly
belso seruleseket okoztak neki. Tobb napig fekudt a beton
padlon az eszmeletlenseg hataran, hetekig megtagadtak tole
az orvosi ellatast. Azota o minden elkepzelheto modon molesztalva
volt, nemi eroszakkal, tovabbi kinzassal es gyilkossaggal volt
fenyegetve es vegul is egy negy honapos "dizel terapiaban" volt
resze amikor is bortonbol bortonbe szallitottak azert, hogy
diszorientaljak, es magszakitsak kapcsolatait azokkal az emberekkel
a kulso vilagban akik torodnek sorsaval, akik larmat csinalnanak
ha barmi tortenne vele.
Vegul is beloktek ot oda ahol jelenleg is elzaras alatt
all, New Jersey allamban. Ezer kilencszaz kilencvenhat Februarja
ota maganzarkaban van, minden formalis szabajsertesi eljaras nelkul.
1996 Oktobereben vegul is korhazba vittek, hogy megmutsek serulesei
miatt ahol is ejjel nappal korul volt veve egy fel tucatnyi erosen
felfegyferzett orrel. Utana visszavittek a magan zarkaba.
1997 Januarjaban fegyencek megtamadtak es megvertek
azutan pedig a borton orok (ferfiak) is utlegeltek. Egy joerzesu
borton orvos a noi, zsido borton igazgato megkerulesevel panaszt
emelt egyenesen az allami borton felugyelosegnel aminek kovetkezteben
valamelyest javultak Michelle korulmenyei es a veresek egyenlore
megszuntek.
Mindketten, o is es en is tokeletesen meg vagyunk gyozodve
arrol, hogy Michelle ma a level irasi kampanyunk miatt van eletben
amit a part kezdemenyezett nem azert, hogy a bortonrendszert razzuk
fel hanem azert, hogy demonstraljuk azt a fogvatartoinak irasainkkal,
hogy Michellenek baratai vannak a kinti vilagban akik nem fogjak
elfelejteni ot. Nem lehet ot meggyilkolni vagy "ongyilkos"-kent
eltuntetni szamonkeres nelkul, es ez komolyan megijesztette oket.
Michelle szerint fogvatartoi kivaltkepp megremulnek levelektol
espostai kartyaktol amelyek Europabol, Australiabol, Icelandbol
es mas helyekrol erkeznek.
Mindenkit aki ezt az uzenetet megkapja arra kerem,
hogy kuldjon Michellenek legalabb egy levelet, meg akkor is
ha az csak egy levelezo lap, de nagy meretu kepes levelezo
lapok a legjobbak mert a cellajanak nincsen ablaka es
az osszes konyveit elvettek Floridaban es sosem adtak vissza
neki. En tisztaban vagyok vele, hogy ez a felhivas gyulolkodo
leveleket fog elinditani zsidoktol, liberalisoktol es Nizkor-tol;
ugy gondolom, hogy gyulolkodo, bantalmazo, obszcen levelet irni
valakinek Michelle helyzeteben a legutolso dolog de ugyanakkor
itt zsidokrol es Rich Grave-rol beszelunk. Azzal eggyutt MEG A
GYULOLKODO LEVEL IS SEGITENI FOG---- a borton felugyeloseg jegyzi
a fegyencekhez erkezo posta mennyiseget es latogatoik szamat.
A borton adatlapjainak kulon resze van a posta es a latogatok
szamanak beiktatasara. Minel tobb levelet kap Michelle annal
nagyobb biztonsagban van o.
A cim: Michelle Benson #18380
P.O. Box 2300
Newark, New Jersey, 07114, USA
Kerlek hejezd el ezt az uzenetet mindenhova ahol esely
van ra, hogy leveleket fognak a lanynak kuldeni az olvasok. O
kulonosen halas amikor kartyakat, leveleket kap a tengeren tulrol
es azt mondta, hogy ezek azok a levelek amik leginkabb remuletbe
elytik fogvatartoit. O tenyleg egy csodalatos szemejiseg aki
politikailag es szakmailag is muvelodott, onerobol, magatol a
bortonben es a batorsaga es dedikacioja peldakent all mindnyajunk
elott. A mi testverunknek szuksege van a segitsegunkr.
-Winston Smith
A forditotol: A referencia Nizkor-ra: Nizkor egy baloldali, zsido
szervezet amely az interneten fejti ki aldatlan propaganda
tevekenyseget.
Robert Diener
Alexander Baron <A_B...@abaron.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<876555...@abaron.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <343e85cc...@news.txdirect.net>
:
>
As I've stated many times elsewhere, nobody
> in his right mind denies the Holocaust. What happens is that certain
> Jewish organisations, leftists and philo-Semitic creeps - like you
> apparently - grossly distort the Revisionists claims and exaggerate them
> in order to bring them into ridicule, hatred and contempt. It's not
working
> any more, not totally.
>
So what exactly do revisionists claim? I can't get a clear handle on it.
One person's revisionism has little to do with the next, as far as I can
see, but set me straight, tough guy.
Alexander Baron
In article <61ppau$g...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
adtj...@worldnet.att.net "Robert Diener" writes:
> So what exactly do revisionists claim? I can't get a clear handle on it.
> One person's revisionism has little to do with the next, as far as I can
> see, but set me straight, tough guy.
I've written a book called HOLOCAUST DENIAL: NEW NAZI LIE OR NEW
INQUISITION? which sets out my case. Different Revisionists have
different views; David Cole for instance thinks there may have been
some gassings but that it has been greatly exaggerated. Professor Butz
believes there were no gassings of Jews but that the euthenasia programme
was exploited by the British and blown up out of all proportion. I've
just finished another book which I'm starting to typeset but may not be
able to publish it at my own expense and strangely the International Nazi
Conspiracy hasn't offered to publish it either.
As for tough guy, I'm actually registered disabled.
Mark Van Alstine
> In article <mvanalst-101...@rbi211.rbi.com>
> mvan...@rbi.com "Mark Van Alstine" writes:
[snip]
> > Really? Why then are so many deniers preoccupied with Nazi apologia in
> > their Holocaust denial?
>
> Deniers, oh boy. Why are so many "anti-racists" preoccupied with denying the
> existence of race?
Non sequitur. The question was why are so many deniers preoccupied with
Nazi apologia in their Holocaust denial and made no comment about "the
existence of race."
Does Mr. Baron equate, in knee-jerk fashion, Nazi apologia with the "the
existence of race" for some reason? How odd.
> Because people with ideologies jump on and pervert
> ideas which they believe further their cause.
Like Mr. Baron's "existance of race" ad lib?
The_Pope
js wrote:
> On 12 Oct 1997 00:08:55 GMT, ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:
>
> >So you refuse to go. When a "tactical police team" come to take you
> >away, you have gotten your trusty shotgun out of the gun rack and you
>
> >shoot off a couple of shells.
>
> If the gunman was an urban black, the cops would've blown his head
> off! I mean, Rodney King wasn't even armed! Talking about Soviet
> Russia is laughable when your story so clearly illustrates the
> privileges whites enjoy in our society no matter how criminal and
> violent they may be.
Rodney King was also doped up on PCP and tried to get away. The cops
were wrong to beat him, but I can understand why they were so pissed to
begin with. As far as white advantages, there aren't any. Here, in the
middle of east Texas, I'd get shot just as easy as a black guy doing the
same thing.
Michael Ives
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
[...]
>
> Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> "miracles."
I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge has
stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a certain
number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above a classic
"straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
> Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
>
> > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
>
> In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> Dust_, p.262.)
Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
--
Favorite Quotes From the Nizkorites
------------------------------------------------
(In Memory of Jamie McCarthy R.I.P.)
>"Couse someone please parse this crap? Why can't any of these
> White Power Rangers write decent English?"
--Allan Matthews
>"If the Jews really controlled everything, like you little slimeballs
> say, they would have surely offed you bunch of pathetic shits by now."
--Gord McFee
>"I'll let you know when I am ready to overthrow the US government."
--John Morris, self-proclaimed "erstwhile supporter of the
Amnesty International campaign against torture".
Favorite Quotes From Others
----------------------------------------
>"I would like to state unequivocally that there are good and bad people
> of every ethnic persuasion."
--Michael Ives
Gord McFee
In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > "miracles."
> I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> into thin air.
That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
> > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> >
> > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> >
> > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > Dust_, p.262.)
> Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
Many were burned. Many were buried.
--
Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net>
I'll write no line before its time
Alexander Baron
In article <3442C6A9...@lcc.net> po...@lcc.net "The_Pope" writes:
> Rodney King was also doped up on PCP and tried to get away. The cops
> were wrong to beat him,
That's progress. Britain's police are an equal opportunities organisation:
they fit up and beat up whites too.
NSWPP
[from RESISTANCE #115, May 16th, 1997]
PURGING THE MILITARY
In a startling parallel to the 1930s Stalin régime,
ever since the Clintons took office they have occupied
themselves with quietly purging the U. S. military of
senior White male officers who are politically incorrect,
or perhaps politically suspect is a better term. In other
words, men of honor and integrity who might object to
some of the uses to which the Clintons would doubtless
like to put the American armed forces suddenly find
themselves enmeshed in bogus sex or financial scandals
and their careers terminated.
The purges have caught up even the chairman of
the Joint Chiefs, a number of senior divisional commanders
in all services, the Sergeant Major of the Army, and
potential sources of future White male officers such as
VMI and the Citadel, as well as the current purge the
apparent aim of which is to intimidate male non-coms
away from any attempt to exercise authority or discipline
over female military personnel.
The stick most commonly used to beat America’s
military by the Clintons has been "sexual harassment",
i.e. the inevitable results of creating a unisex military.
Beginning with the Tailhook affair that gutted the U. S.
Navy of some of its top combat pilots and senior commanders,
the disgraceful purges have proceeded almost like clockwork,
a new "scandal" every six months or so. An interesting
racial angle has also emerged and been jumped on by the
NAACP, in that some of the victimized senior non-coms
have been black males and their alleged sexual victims
White female soldiers.
There have been a sufficient number of leaked
allegations of forced perjury and fabricated testimony
by the female "victims" to make it appear clear that
the purge is being orchestrated from the top and specific
groups of male officers and non-coms targeted. In addition,
there have also been some more obscurely sinister aspects
such as the mysterious "suicide" of Admiral Jeremy Boorda
last year.
Why the need for a politically correct military? For
one thing, the Clinton/Reno régime needs soldiers who will
fire on American citizens without compunction, and if
necessary incinerate young children alive in their church,
as has already been done. It is conceivable that officers
who came up from the ranks back in the politically incorrect
days when serving the U. S. government was an honorable
vocation might still retain certain vestiges of scruple
about turning their guns on the people of the United States,
and might even fail to recognize their moral imperative
to maintain the liberal wing of the Democratic party in
perpetual power. Can’t have reactionary thinking like
that, now, can we?
But another probable reason becomes clear in a
piece of legislation introduced in the House of Representatives
in February, by none other that the queer Congressman
from Massachusetts, Barney Frank D.-Israel)-—a bill to repeal the
Twenty-Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. The
amendment which forbids any president from holding more t
han two consecutive terms of office.
Could it be that along about the year 2000, our
freshly purged, feminized, and faggotized military may be
called upon to declare the reign of King Billy The First
and his Most Noble Consort Queen Hillary? Inquiring minds
want to know! - W. S.
[RESISTANCE is the weekly newsletter of the National Socialist
White People's Party. E-mail ns...@ix.netcom.com for subscription
details.]
Daniel Keren
Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> writes:
# Interesting point. So how did so many millions of
# brains disappear?
Why do you want to know? Looking for a replacement?
-Danny Keren.
Michael Ives
Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
>
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > "miracles."
>
> > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > into thin air.
>
> That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
>
> Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
"approximation" of 11 or 12 million, nor does the "discovery" of ashes
and bone fragments indicate whether a given decedent was a victim of a
typhus infection or perhaps was scared to death by evil Nazis wearing
Halloween masks.
Fortunately for you and yours, however, in our culture today we
customarily dispense with such logical objections when the subject is
the "Holocaust". Sure, it indicates a certain lack of integrity but I'm
sure you'll agree it's _very_ convenient.
> > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > >
> > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > >
> > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > > Dust_, p.262.)
>
> > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
>
> Many were burned. Many were buried.
The question was "So how did so many millions of brains disappear?"
Or are you taking issue with Van Alstine and his authority _du jour_?
Mark Van Alstine
Hmm. A partially incinerated "mad cow" brain _would_ be a step up!
Mark Van Alstine
> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > "miracles."
>
> I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
> supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
No miracles needed. Cremation is a well-proven and practiced technique for
corpse disposal. That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
personal problem.
> No one to my knowledge has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or
> incinerate a certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders
> the above a classic "straw man" argument)....
Then why did Mr. Ives make a "classic 'straw man' argument"?
> but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
> all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
Mr. Ives must been comatose when this has been discussed ad nauseum in
the group! No matter. Once again, for Mr. Ives's edification:
At Auschwitz for example:
<begin quote>
During the period when the fires were kept continously burning without a
break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed and
crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
same way.
<end quote>
Source: Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.45.
Not all traces of the remains of the victims at Auschwitz, however,
"vanished into thin air."
<begin quote>
In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was
commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out
geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of
incineration pits and pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to
3 m deep. Traces of human ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites.
Documentation of all the holes and the diagrams of their distribution are
preserved in the Conservation Department of the Museum.
<end quote>
Source: Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.179.
> > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> >
> > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> >
> > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > Dust_, p.262.)
>
> Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
The were incinerated. Doh.
"Specially resistant to complete combustion" does not mean "will not
completely combust."
[snip]
Mark Van Alstine
> Gord McFee wrote:
> >
> > In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> > at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
> >
> > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz
at its
> > > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > > "miracles."
> >
> > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > > into thin air.
> >
> > That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> > no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
> >
> > Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> > discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
>
> Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
> fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
> "approximation" of 11 or 12 million....
Taking Auschwitz, where approximately 1.1 million people died, as an
example where "nowhere near enough ashes and bone fragments" have been
discovered; the explination is rather straightforward: The incinerated
remains of the victims were (mostly) dumped into the Sola and Vistula
Rivers. Given then that these remains cannot be recovered does that mean
that some 1.1 million _didn't_ die at Auschwitz? That the Nazis _didn't_
carry out a pogrom as mass murder there? Of course not! It simly means
that the remains of the victims of Nazi mass murder were dumped in the
Sola and Vistula Rivers and swept away.
Moreover, "support" for an Auschwitz death toll of 1.1 millin victims does
not (and never did) rely on finding "enough ashes and bone fragments."
Such "qualifications" are merely a classic denier strawman used to
question the Auschwitz death toll -and that Nazi mass murder was carried
out at Auschwitz.
Likewise for Mr. Ives's "questioning" the Holocaust death toll. Estimates
for the death toll in the Holocaust does not (and never did) rely on
finding "enough ashes and bone fragments." That Mr. Ives's suggest it does
is nothing more than a fascile denier strawman of Mr. Ives's frantic
construction to "question" that the Holocaust took place.
> ...nor does the "discovery" of ashes and bone fragments indicate whether a
> given decedent was a victim of a typhus infection....
Does Mr. Ives's suggest (while ignoring, for example, the eyewitness
testimonies of both perpetrators and victims confirming that most of those
who died at Auschwitz were victims of homicidal gassing) that of the
aproximately 1.3 million people deported to Auschwitz 1.1 million died of
typhus? A disease that typically has a mortality rate of ten percent or
less if not treated?
If so, what apolegetics will Mr. Ives offer for the Auschwitz SS who
allowed such an enourmous atrocity of neglect and maltreatment to take
place?
>...or perhaps was scared to death by evil Nazis wearing Halloween masks.
More like were gassed to death by evil Nazis wearing gas masks.
> Fortunately for you and yours, however, in our culture today we
> customarily dispense with such logical objections when the subject is
> the "Holocaust".
Rather deniers like Mr. Ives simply dispense with all pretexts of rational
thought when "objecting" to the Holocaust.
> Sure, it indicates a certain lack of integrity but I'm
> sure you'll agree it's _very_ convenient.
That the behavior of Mr. Ives's and his denier ilk lack any integrity is
without a doubt true. As to convienant? I'm sure that Mr. Ive's and his
denier ilk find not having any integrity _very_ convenient!
Michael
<snipped>
Let it be known that I am in favor of saving as many cows as possible.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 19, 1997
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
'Loser pays' garners huge support
It's just a single paragraph, quietly slipped into the $31 billion
bill that will fund the Department of Justice. But it's caused enough
concern among Federal prosecutors that Attorney General Janet Reno has
urged President Clinton to veto the measure if it reaches him in its
current form.
What's the fuss all about? By an overwhelming vote of 340 to 84, the
House of Representatives recently adopted a one-paragraph amendment
proposed by Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., requiring the Justice Department
to pay the legal fees of most criminal defendants who are acquitted at
trial.
Today, federal prosecutors win 95 percent of the estimated 4,000
cases that go to trial every year -- and those are only the tiny slice
remaining after the vast majority of defendants "cop a plea."
Yet the pro-government extremists have already commenced to whimper
and moan.
Prosecutors might start to steer clear of complex, hard-to-prove
white collar crimes, objected John Barnett, a law professor at St.
John's University in New York.
The Justice Department complains the provision might also discourage
prosecutors from bringing cases that rely on witnesses with
questionable credibility, such as drug cases that rely on the testimony
of lower-level drug defendants.
But the most serious -- and interesting -- objection is that, given
even one ray of hope that presenting a defense might not land them in
bankruptcy (win or lose), many more defendants might forego that plea
bargain, and instead insist on their constitutional right to a jury
trial.
Now, wouldn't that be just too bad?
Take the case of Russian emigre Sam Zhadanov, of Brooklyn, N.Y.
The 71-year-old plastics manufacturer, who no one contends ever saw
or sold a single gram of cocaine, is now serving five years in a
Federal penitentiary on charges of "conspiracy to transport" literally
tons of the prohibited plant extract, despite a lawyer's written advice
that (under previous court rulings) Mr. Zhadanov could not be held
responsible for anyone later re-using for drug storage any of the small
plastic vials which were among the items he had contracted to
manufacture.
After all, if such were the case, the manufacturers of our various
brands of plastic sandwich bags would be in a world of hurt.
But it made no difference what the courts had ruled. Federal drug
police arrested Zhadanov anyway, seizing (before trial) his $700,000
factory and his $800,000 life savings out of the safe in his Brooklyn
apartment. (Russian emigres habitually distrust banks, yet Zhadanov's
possession of his life's savings in cash was actually considered
evidence that he fit the government's "drug dealer profile.")
With no assets left to fund a defense, and facing the prospect his
58-year-old wife Anna might have to go on charity while he was in
prison, Sam Zhadanov followed the advice of his defense attorney -- who
had been until four months previous a federal prosecutor -- and pled
guilty, in exchange for a government promise that half the value of his
seized factory would be returned to his wife, for her support while he
served his time.
Then, the IRS seized that second half of that money anyway, arguing
the deal struck by prosecutors was not binding on them.
Or take the case of Dr. Dietrich Stoermer of Las Vegas, a general
practitioner specializing in treatment of chronic pain, who sacrificed
his own health and fortune in winning a unanimous jury acquittal on
charges of writing "too many" pain reliever prescriptions in 1994.
After he was acquitted, the DEA took away Dr. Stoermer's right to
issue prescriptions, anyway, claiming they had a "different standard of
evidence" than that used by juries. His attorney told Dr. Stoermer he
could probably get the permit back for $30,000 in cash, but his
"victory" at trial had bankrupted Dr. Stoermer, who instead decamped to
Australia.
Is this what we now mean by American "justice"?
Would the public safety really have suffered if -- given the prospect
that the government must pay his legal fees upon acquittal -- another
attorney had proved willing to defend Sam Zhadanov at trial? Or had
government agents realized they could actually LOSE money by
persecuting Dr. Stoermer?
Mr. Hyde's amendment does not affect prosecutions in state courts,
where most of the real violent felons are. And it allows the trial
judge to waive government reimbursement if "special circumstances" make
such an award "unjust."
That safeguard is not only adequate; it's probably excessive.
Our justice system is not working properly, if arguably innocent
defendants feel forced into pleading guilty -- even to "lesser charges"
-- by the dual threats of economic ruin and the bartered testimony of
felons.
If Mr. Hyde's reform forces federal prosecutors to pick and choose
their cases more carefully ... it's about time.
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Gord McFee
In <344480...@concentric.net>, on 10/15/97
> Gord McFee wrote:
> >
> > In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> > at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
> > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > > into thin air.
> >
> > That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> > no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
> >
> > Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> > discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
> Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
> fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
> "approximation" of 11 or 12 million, nor does the "discovery" of ashes
> and bone fragments indicate whether a given decedent was a victim of a
> typhus infection or perhaps was scared to death by evil Nazis wearing
> Halloween masks.
I didn't say that the equivalent of 11 or 12 million bodies in ashes and
bones had been discovered. Simply that large amounts had been
discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka.
> Fortunately for you and yours, however, in our culture today we
> customarily dispense with such logical objections when the subject is
> the "Holocaust". Sure, it indicates a certain lack of integrity but
> I'm sure you'll agree it's _very_ convenient.
Not at all. There is nothing convenient about it. I am reminded of one
example where an Einsatzgruppe death site was excavated and the number
of bodies came within 50 (550 versus 500) of the number reported in the
Einsatzkommando report for the say the executions took place. Small
numbers to be sure, but the convergence is interesting, wouldn't you
agree?
> > > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > > >
> > > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > > > Dust_, p.262.)
> >
> > > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
> >
> > Many were burned. Many were buried.
> The question was "So how did so many millions of brains disappear?"
> Or are you taking issue with Van Alstine and his authority _du jour_?
Neither. I don't pretend to have any expertise in the area of
incineration or deterioration of brains, except possibly my own.
Smitty
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ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:
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> > [...]
> > >
> > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > > "miracles."
> >
> > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
> > supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
>
> corpse disposal.
But no one has argued whether or not corpses can be cremated. Does Van
Alstine have trouble reading, or is he trying to evade the point?
> That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
> personal problem.
A personal slur from Van Alstine is 1) no surprise and 2) another
evasion, which is 3) also no surprise.
>
> > No one to my knowledge has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or
> > incinerate a certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders
> > the above a classic "straw man" argument)....
>
> Then why did Mr. Ives make a "classic 'straw man' argument"?
Nice try? I don't think so. In this thread we were trying to discover
how all of the ashes vanished. Remember we're talking about 6, or 11,
or 12 million corpses, right?
>
> > but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
> > all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
>
> Mr. Ives must been comatose...
(More of same)
(Deleted: Van Alstine's quotes indicating 1) a company found traces of
ashes and human hair, which proves nothing except that some ashes and
human hair were found, and 2) that one person testified that the ashes
were actually swept into the river, which is why none could be found,
except, of course, for the ones which _were_ found.)
>
> > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > >
> > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > >
> > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > > Dust_, p.262.)
> >
> > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
>
> The were incinerated. Doh.
>
> "Specially resistant to complete combustion" does not mean "will not
> completely combust."
So did they leave traces or not?
In other words, the people who weren't shot, were gassed, or they were
burned, and ashes resulted, or no ashes resulted, or they were buried,
or they vaporized, or they were swept away by a river, and anyway, we
don't have to produce no steenkin' ashes, if you doubt our story you're
a Nazi, etc, etc, ..._ad nauseum_ indeed.
You and I know your story will have to change.
Now about that 6 million (or 11 million or 12 million) figure?
--
Michael Ives
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <EI3H...@world.std.com>, dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> > Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> writes:
> >
> > # Interesting point. So how did so many millions of
> > # brains disappear?
> >
> > Why do you want to know? Looking for a replacement?
>
> Hmm. A partially incinerated "mad cow" brain _would_ be a step up!
I presume this is the work of Keren and Van Alstine at its best.
Very convincing!
Daniel Keren
Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> writes:
# I presume this is the work of Keren and Van Alstine
# at its best.
It was an appropriate response to your "where are the brains"
question. If you don't want people to think that you're stupid,
don't post such stupid articles.
To elaborate:
1) Brains do vanish in cremation.
2) Even if some would survive, how long do you think they would
survive after being buried?
-Danny Keren.
Mark Van Alstine
In article <626pf4$l...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "Bob Royce Clayton"
<motherfuckin' adtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So what's a reasonable estimate of dead Jews?
In the Holocaust? 6 million.
> What about dead Poles,
> Gypsies, faggots and whatnot?
In the Holocaust? Another 6 million.
> I've recently read that a common claim is
> that the concentration camp prisoners in the photos were so thin and sickly
> because of tuberculosis or something...
Typhus. But one does not become emaciated from typhus. One does, however,
from starvation.
> ...and that also accounts for the piles
> of bodies bulldozed into pits.
At may of the concentration camps, such as Bergen-Belsen (where the dead
were bulldozed into pits after its liberation by the British), this indeed
explains many of the deaths. At the _extermination_ camps, however, the
prisoners who died from "natural" causes such as starvation and disease
were a minority. The majority of those who died were victims of systematic
Nazi mass murder.
See:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/index.html
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/faqs/reinhard/index.html
> What about the soap...
For information about morbid Nazi soap experiments see:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/soap-01.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/stutthof/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/polevoi.boris/danzig-soap-evidence
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/lipstadt.deborah/soap.05
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/sereny.gitta/soap-experimentation
...and the lampshades...
For more information about morbid Nazi human-skin and "other artifacts" see:
http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?imt/nca/nca-06/nca-06-3420-ps
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?places/germany/nuremberg/tattoo.001
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?places/germany/nuremberg/tattoo.002
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/tattoo-ps-3420.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/tattoo-ps-3420.ref
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/shrunken.jpg
...or the stolen gold teeth?
According to Hilberg:
<begin quote>
Most the valuables, including money, jewelry, gold watches, and dental
gold, were duly delivered to the Reichsbank. The Reichsbank was Germany's
central bank; its president was Economy Minister Funk. There were teo vice
presidents: Emil Puhl, and Kurt Lange, who hailed from the Economy
Ministry and was the ministry's expert in monetary, stock, exchange, and
insurance matters....
The disposal of the items to the Reichsbank rested on an agreement between
Funk and Himmler which was concluded in the summer of 1942. The matter was
then discussed by Funk, Puhl, Pohl, and a number of other officials at
lunch in the Reichsbank building. The arrangement for the actual receipt
of the items was worked out by Reichbankrat Thoms of the Reichsbank
Precious Metals Division and Brigadefu"hrer Frank. The deliveries were
made by the chief of WVHA A-II (finance and payroll), Hauptsturmfu"hrer
Melmer. There were a total seventy-six or seventy-seven shipments, each
filling a truck. Although Melmer wore civilian clothes by arrangement, he
was accompanied by a few uniformed SS guards; hence the deliveries did not
remain secret for very long.
In the storerooms the articles were emptied on tables and sorted. About
twenty-five to thirty people passed through these rooms every day. The
objects themselves were sometimes stamped "Auschwitz" and "Lublin," and
the large quantity of dental gold was noticed. When Pohl visited the
Reichsbank, he was conducted to the premises by Puhl, who remarked, "Your
things are here too [Ihre Sachen sind auch darunter]."
The problem of what to do with the accumulating deliveries was brought up
by Puhl one day in a Reichsbankdirektoren meeting. The vice president
announced tht the Reichsbank was going to realize the gold and jewelry of
the SS. Reichsbandirektor Wilhelm, chief of foreign currency and currency
control, protested: "The Reichsbank is not a dealer in second-hand goods."
Wilhelm - no friend of the SS - was consequently left out of the picture.
The channeling of the property from the storerooms was finally as follows:
Coin was retained by the Precious Metals Division (Thoms). Stocks, bonds,
and bankbooks were transferred to the Securities Division. The gold teeth
were sent to the Prussian State mint for melting. Jewelry was delivered to
the Berlin Pawnshop, where it was handled by Amtsrat Wieser. The proceeds
from the disposal of the metals and papers were deposited in the Treasury;
there they were credited to the Finance Ministry on a special account
designated "Max Heiliger." From time to time the account was drawn upon by
the Finance Ministry's old expert in Jewish matters, Dr. Maiedel, who
booked the withdrawels in the budget (Chapter XVIII, title 7, paragraph
3).
The realization of the Jewish valuables did not proceed as efficiently as
the above procedure might seem to indicate. Principally, three obsticles
had to be faced. In the first place, it was difficult to get rid of
certain items. For example, the Securities Division was stuck with
unendorsed papers which had been made payable to holders; the pawnshop
complained tht most of the jewelry and watches it had recieved were of low
value because they were old-fashioned or damaged in transit.
Another difficulty was the lack of time. In the course of the preocessing
a number of bottlenecks developed. Just before the German collapse 207
containers filled with gold, currency, and other valuables were sent to
salt mines, where the entire shipment remained until discovered by
American troops.
The third limitation was, of course, the price the SS asked for its
deliveries. Although not "one penny" was to be deducted, Wippen and
Mo"ckel were authorized to withhold sufficient amounts to defray expenses
connected with the Aktion itself. Gold was handed over subject to the
condition that three kilograms be made available if needed by the SS for
bribery or intelligence. Most important of all, the Reichsbank and
Golddiskontbank had to establish a fund from which the SS could borrow
money to finance its various activities. This loan, known as the Reinhardt
fund, infused the SS industries with new life. The SS combine owed
6,831,279.54 reichmark to the SS Savings Bank Association and 1,000,000
reichsmark to the German Red Cross; these debts could now be repaid. In
addition, some money was plowed into capital expansion. After the
conclusion of thse arrangements the disproving Reichbankdirektor Wilhelm
took the occasion to 'warn' Puhl against visiting the concentration camps
in connection with the credits.
<end quote>
Source: Hilberg, _Destruction_, pp.616-618.
> What I read explains all that away with the claim that Jews have exaggerated
> about their misfortune since their inception.
IOW, blame the innocent victim for being a victim. How "enlightened."
> Where do you stand?--sorry, poor choice of words. What's your take on the
> issue?
My take? I think in general, after observing those in a.r. who deny the
historical fact of the Holocuast (in part or whole) for the last several
years, that deniers are a pathetic lot of ignorant anti-Semites, Nazi
apologists, bigots, and racists.
See also:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/features/revision-or-denial/
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/features/qar/
Mark Van Alstine
> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> >
> > In article <344331...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> >
> > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz
at its
> > > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > > "miracles."
> > >
> > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
> > > supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
> >
> > No miracles needed. Cremation is a well-proven and practiced technique for
> > corpse disposal.
>
> But no one has argued whether or not corpses can be cremated.
Yet Mr. Ives is "hard-pressed to see how the Nazis" cremated their victims.
How droll.
> Does Van Alstine have trouble reading...
Not in the least.
...or is he trying to evade the point?
_What_ point? That Mr. Ives's misguided belief that his appeal to personal
credulity need be taken seriously? It doesn't. It's Mr. Ives's personal
problem if he is doumbfounded by the Nazis disposing of their victims by
incinerating them. I suggest he deal with it and stop projecting his
personal problems onto others.
> > That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
> > personal problem.
>
> A personal slur from Van Alstine is 1) no surprise and 2) another
> evasion, which is 3) also no surprise.
Did not Mr. Ives claim he was "hard-pressed" in understanding how the
Nazis cremated their victims?
dumbfound (dum'found, dum found) vt. to make speechless by shocking,
amaze, astonish - SYN. puzzle.
Sounds like Mr. Ive's is dumbfounded to me!
BTW, a personal slur would be more along the lines of saying something
like: "Mr. Ives is an ignorant slut of a Nazi fuckhead who loves bending
over and taking it in the ass from his Nazi buddies."
> > > No one to my knowledge has stated that it's physically impossible to gas
> > > or incinerate a certain number of people in the abstract (which fact
> > > renders the above a classic "straw man" argument)....
> >
> > Then why did Mr. Ives make a "classic 'straw man' argument"?
>
> Nice try? I don't think so....
Agreed. Mr. Ives's "try" _was_ pretty lame....
> ...In this thread we were trying to discover how all of the ashes vanished.
Mr. Ives's is trying to "discover?" LOL. Pardon my incredulity, but
perhaps Mr. Ives's should actually read up on Aktion 1005 before
concluding that he is "hard-pressed" on the issues at hand? Then there is
also Ho"ss's memoirs, the testimonies of the eyewitnesses etc etc. All
this makes it pretty clear how the "ashes vanished."
Or perhaps Mr. Ives's does _not_ wish for such clarity of understanding?
> Remember we're talking about 6, or 11, or 12 million corpses, right?
Are we? Is Mr. Ives's claiming _all_ the victims of the Holocaust were
incinerated? If so, Mr. Ives is "hard-pressed" on more than simply
understanding how the "ashes vanished"!
> > > but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
> > > all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
> >
> > Mr. Ives must been comatose...
>
> (More of same)
>
> (Deleted: Van Alstine's quotes indicating 1) a company found traces of
> ashes and human hair, which proves nothing except that some ashes and
> human hair were found....
Mr. Ives's ignorance and intellectual dishonesty rears its ugly head
again. Tsk tsk. By the simple fact that traces of incinerated human
remains were found in location were eyewitnesses claimed mass
incinerations took place (and in which photographs _show_ to have taken
place) are simply a further confirmation, through the convergence of the
historical evidence, that the incineration of the corpses of hundreds of
thousand of victims of Nazi mass murder took place at Auschwitz.
And all Mr. Ives's can say is it "proves nothing?" What an ignorant and
deceitful schmuck Mr. Ives is.
> ...and 2) that one person testified that the ashes
> were actually swept into the river....
Actually, quite a few people besides Ho"ss have testified that the
incinerated remains of the victims at Auschwitz were dumped in the Sola
and Vistula Rivers.
> ...which is why none could be found....
No, it is why _almost_ none can be found.
> except, of course, for the ones which _were_ found.)
Indeed. _Traces_ of incinerated human remains _were_ found at Auschwitz.
This would be expected, as the incineration pits were _emptied_ by the
Sonderkommando. Is Mr. Ives "hard-pressed" in understanding this as well?
> > > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > > >
> > > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death
> > > > to Dust_, p.262.)
> > >
> > > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
> >
> > The were incinerated. Doh.
> >
> > "Specially resistant to complete combustion" does not mean "will not
> > completely combust."
>
> So did they leave traces or not?
Yes. At Auschwitz and Treblinka, for example, incinerated human remains
have been found. At Serniki, on the other hand, the (unincinerated)
remains of the victims of an Einsatzgruppen mobile killing action were
found. Other similar occurances can be found arcross the territories and
locations where the Nazis carried out their program of systematic mass
murder.
See:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/ukraine/serniki-excavations
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/burning-pits
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka/weber-allen-treblinka.9605
See also:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/gardelegen/images/Gardelegen3.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/gunskirchen/bodies-unearthed
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/kauffring/dr-larson
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/images/Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/images/maidanek-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/natzweiler/images/MedExp03.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-pyre-detail.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/thekla/images/Thekla1.jpg
[snip]
However, most of the remains of the victims of the Holocaust have not been
found for the simmple reason that a) Aktion 1005 exhumed and incinerated
many (if not most) of the corpses of the Einsatzgruppen's victims and
scattered them across fields and dumped them into rivers; and b) we don't
know all the precise locations of the Einsatzgruppen killing sites which
_weren't_ erased by Aktion 1005.
Yet, for example, whe are left with enough evidence at the Operation
Reinhard and Auschwitz death camps to conclude that in just these four
deaths camps alone nearly three million people- one-fourth the victims of
the Holocaust -were murdered (and their corpses incinerated) by the Nazis.
adtjones@hotmail.com Bob Royce Clayton
I wanted to know what the revisionists thought. I already know what I
believe to be the truth, but I'd like to hear why some people think that
I've been misled.
Wilson Pickett
Gord McFee wrote:
> In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
>
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > "miracles."
>
> > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > into thin air.
>
> That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
>
> Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
>
> > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > >
> > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > >
> > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > > Dust_, p.262.)
>
> > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
>
> Many were burned. Many were buried.
>
> --
> Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net>
> I'll write no line before its time
That's a lie, Gord. Only mere traces of bone fragments were ever found at
Auschwitz. In fact, out of 300 specimen drill holes, only a few had even "traces"
or "wisps" of bone matter. Not enough to support the myth of constant burning of
corpses. In fact, the drillings proved just the opposite. Why lie, Gord?
WARNING: Please be advised that the usual suspect history
books, Nizkor, and the newly constructed USHMM (United
States Holocaust Memorial Museum) contain old,
discredited testimonies prepared by the NKVD, a Soviet
Jewish Propaganda and Executionist Organization which
was in charge of the Nuremberg Trial. The NKVD was
responsible for the murder of the 25,000 Polish Officers at
Katyn Forest. At the Nuremberg Trial, the NKVD presented
false testimony from false witnesses who claimed to have
seen the Germans in Katyn lining up the Polish Officers and
executing them day-by-day. This was a prefabrication. Since
the NKVD ran the intestigations and prosecution of the
Nuremberg Trial and presented false evidence as well as
discredited testimony which is totally inadmissable in court
because it was taken under extensive torture sessions in
order to force people to sign false documents, nothing
presented at that Trial is trustworthy. All of it must be
discarded as false and a Stalinist attempt to paint the
Germans as genocidal nation, when, in fact, it was the
Soviet Jewish State that killed nearly 100 million Christians,
1920-1940. Our Jewish controlled newspapers will never
print that fact. If you wish to find honest studies of the
holocaust--all of it backed up by solid, indisputable facts--in
easy-to-find-formats including the most recent discoveries
of historians and scientists who have spent a lifetime
studying this period of world war two, stay clear of Nizkor.
Instead, visit a compendium of factual information prepared
by experts at
THE CODOH PROJECT
http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
Goy Boy <g...@goyimcity.com>
Rev. Jake
orasz wrote in message ...
>In article <6269va$1...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>, ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP)
>wrote:
>
>> THANK GOD HE'S A COUNTRY BUOY!
>>
>>
>>
>> For those of you who have not made a lifelong
>> study of the musical corpus of John Denver, his first big
>> hit was the Peter Paul and Mary song he wrote, "Leaving On
>> A Jet Plane". -WS]
>
>"Crashing In A Light Plane"
>
>>I'm crashing in a light plane,
>>Don't know if I'll be '
>>>snip>>
>
>J.Denver HATED you Nazi scum. what the fuck are you cowardly hypocrites
>quoting him for??
orasz, you seem to have missed the point!
a> This posting had NOTHING, it seems, to do with politics. There is nothing
in the referenced posting that indicates that NSWPP is "Nazi scum" (nor
anything to disprove it, either). It is, or should be, a non-issue, at least
in this case.
b> You are overlooking the fact that this is not, in fact, a quote, but an
artfully crafted parody. Tacky, without a doubt, but well done nonetheless!
c> Lighten up! At least that posting wasn't filled with mindless, sophomoric
personal attacks on someone else's ancestors, parentage, or personal habits,
like so many postings I have glanced at here!!
Get a grip! Get a life!
"Nothing is ever quite what it appears to be."
Witz
> FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 19, 1997
NAZI SCUM: Get brain transplants from dead rats. CHEAP!!
NSWPP
NATIONAL ALLIANCE ACCESS TO WIRETAP INFO
It has been suggested to me that in both
cases where an Induhvidual associated with the
National Alliance made a public display of
information which I believe he could have
obtained only from being given access to
Federal wiretap transcripts, I was in fact
betrayed by my "comrade" on the other end
of the conversation.
In one case, the party on the other
end of the phone was a representative of
BellSouth. The conversation had nothing
to do with the NA, this Induhvidual's name
did not at any time come up, and there is
no conceivable reason for the phone company
to contact him and discuss the matter with
him. In the second case, the party on the
other end was my psycho junkie brother.
If he is a member of the National Alliance,
A) I am interested to note that the NA
tolerates drug addiction as well as homosexual
behavior; and B) How has my brother explained
to his NA "comrades" his support for various
weirdo leftist Chapel Hill causes like the
Green Party and the Free Mumia Abu-Jamal
Campaign? Inquiring minds definitely want
to know.
There is no conceivable legitimate
way in which this person could have obtained
the information he babbled out on Usenet
and to someone who reported back to me.
In those two cases at least he was given
access to wiretap transcripts or the contents
thereof. Period.
adtjones@hotmail.com Bob Royce Clayton
So what's a reasonable estimate of dead Jews? What about dead Poles,
Gypsies, faggots and whatnot? I've recently read that a common claim is
that the concentration camp prisoners in the photos were so thin and sickly
of bodies bulldozed into pits.
What I read explains all that away with the claim that Jews have exaggerated
about their misfortune since their inception.
Anthony Sabatini
Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<344722...@concentric.net>...
> Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> >
> > In article <EI3H...@world.std.com>, dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > # Interesting point. So how did so many millions of
> > > # brains disappear?
> > >
> > > Why do you want to know? Looking for a replacement?
> >
> > Hmm. A partially incinerated "mad cow" brain _would_ be a step up!
>
> I presume this is the work of Keren and Van Alstine at its best.
> Very convincing!
Indeed. This is just another example of why these two, er, 'fellows' are known
as the Beavis and Butt-head of Usenet. Given Van Alstine's anal- and
penile-related comments, I'll leave you to guess which is which. (Sorry, no
points awarded for correct answers.)
[.sig snipped]
Wilson Pickett
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> In article <344480...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>
> > Gord McFee wrote:
> > >
> > > In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> > > at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
> > >
> > > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz
> at its
> > > > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > > > "miracles."
> > >
> > > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > > > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > > > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > > > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > > > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > > > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > > > into thin air.
> > >
> > > That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> > > no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
> > >
> > > Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> > > discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
> >
> > Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
> > fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
> > "approximation" of 11 or 12 million....
>
> Taking Auschwitz, where approximately 1.1 million people died, as an
> example where "nowhere near enough ashes and bone fragments" have been
> discovered; the explination is rather straightforward: The incinerated
> remains of the victims were (mostly) dumped into the Sola and Vistula
> Rivers. Given then that these remains cannot be recovered does that mean
> that some 1.1 million _didn't_ die at Auschwitz? That the Nazis _didn't_
> carry out a pogrom as mass murder there? Of course not! It simly means
> that the remains of the victims of Nazi mass murder were dumped in the
> Sola and Vistula Rivers and swept away.
>
> Moreover, "support" for an Auschwitz death toll of 1.1 millin victims does
> not (and never did) rely on finding "enough ashes and bone fragments."
> Such "qualifications" are merely a classic denier strawman used to
> question the Auschwitz death toll -and that Nazi mass murder was carried
> out at Auschwitz.
>
> Likewise for Mr. Ives's "questioning" the Holocaust death toll. Estimates
> for the death toll in the Holocaust does not (and never did) rely on
> finding "enough ashes and bone fragments." That Mr. Ives's suggest it does
> is nothing more than a fascile denier strawman of Mr. Ives's frantic
> construction to "question" that the Holocaust took place.
>
> > ...nor does the "discovery" of ashes and bone fragments indicate whether a
> > given decedent was a victim of a typhus infection....
>
> Does Mr. Ives's suggest (while ignoring, for example, the eyewitness
> testimonies of both perpetrators and victims confirming that most of those
> who died at Auschwitz were victims of homicidal gassing) that of the
> aproximately 1.3 million people deported to Auschwitz 1.1 million died of
> typhus? A disease that typically has a mortality rate of ten percent or
> less if not treated?
>
> If so, what apolegetics will Mr. Ives offer for the Auschwitz SS who
> allowed such an enourmous atrocity of neglect and maltreatment to take
> place?
>
> >...or perhaps was scared to death by evil Nazis wearing Halloween masks.
>
> More like were gassed to death by evil Nazis wearing gas masks.
>
> > Fortunately for you and yours, however, in our culture today we
> > customarily dispense with such logical objections when the subject is
> > the "Holocaust".
>
> Rather deniers like Mr. Ives simply dispense with all pretexts of rational
> thought when "objecting" to the Holocaust.
>
> > Sure, it indicates a certain lack of integrity but I'm
> > sure you'll agree it's _very_ convenient.
>
> That the behavior of Mr. Ives's and his denier ilk lack any integrity is
> without a doubt true. As to convienant? I'm sure that Mr. Ive's and his
> denier ilk find not having any integrity _very_ convenient!
>
> [snip]
>
> Mark
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line seperating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--bit right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
>
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ridiculous. There are no documents ordering the dumping of ashes into the river. There are no Soviet Jewish testimonies manufactured to explain this theory either. So why voice it?
NSWPP
WEBER/PIERCE INFORMATION NEEDED
I have been informed that there is a
connection between Dr. William L. Pierce of the
National Alliance and Mark Weber of the
non-Carto Insitute for Historical Review.
I consider the source for this
to be extremely dubious, but
I must nonethless check it out. This is
especially important as it may prove to be
the physical link between the National Alliance
and the Scientology cult.
Anyone with informaton on the relationship
and connection between Pierce and Weber, please
e-mail me at ns...@ix.netcom.com. All replies
will be kept in strictest confidence.
NSWPP
I couldn't stand it! I could not allow that
anonymous upstart to seize my place as the Prince of
Racist Parodies with his "Crashing On A Light Plane"...
so I began to twirl around in my brain some ideas for
another of my witty decompositions on the watery death of
John Denver.
But possibly because of the impending advent of
Halloween, what I came up with was a weird scenario wherein
all our recent decendents rise from their graves at midnight
in some spectral cemetary for a big hoedown, rather like
Robert Burns' "Tam O'Shanter"---a Night of the Politically
Correct Living Dead....
Imagine the scene if you will...the mist on the
gravestones, the dripping Spanish moss from the trees,
the gibbous and gibbering moon, as the shades of the
glitterati celebs answer the ghostly summons....tonight
is Country Night, a charity gig to buy ice water for all
the faggots who died of AIDS and are now burning in hell....
music is provided by the head of John Denver (lead vocal);
the headless corpse of John Denver (fiddle); Jerry Garcia
(banjo); Jim Morrison (guitar); Jimi Hendrix (bass guitar);
Janis Joplin (Jew's harp); Kurt Cobain (slap bass); John
Lennon (jug); and Richie Valens (playing Che Guevara's skeletal
remains as a xylophone). Guest vocals by Diana, Princess
of Wales and the late designer Gianni Versace. Leonard
Bernstein conducts.
MY GOD, I'M A COUNTRY BUOY!
JOHN DENVER:
Well the liberal life done me a lot of harm,
If I had a lick o' sense I woulda stayed down on the farm,
Whupping up on my wife added nothing to my charm,
My God! I'm a country buoy!
I was over the Pacific, feeling glad to be alive
When my micro-light took a big swan dive,
Should have left me for the fishes, so they could survive,
My God, I'm a country buoy!
Well my lyrics were fluff,
And my tunes mediocre,
But I'll sell a lot of records
Now I've gone and done a croaker,
Life's a game of chance, and I was dealt a joker!
My God, I'm a country buoy!
PRINCESS DIANA:
Well, I really was a bitch, and a true glitterati,
Dolled up to the nines, I was arrogant and snotty,
Instead of a Mercedes, shoulda took a Maserati!
Thank God I'm a hoi-poloi!
I was jetting 'round the world, posing for the papparazzi,
But now I'm being mocked on the Net by a Nazi,
It's a big comedown for a Lady Hotsy-Totsy!
Thank God I'm a hoi-poloi!
I had fame, I had fans,
I had money and glory,
But a piss-drunk frog
Put an end to my story,
When he tried to take a tunnel at a hundred and forty...
Thank God I'm a hoi-poloi!
GIANNI VERSACE:
I'm a-maka all de clothes for de rich-a and de famous,
While I getta sodomized alla time up de anus,
And I gotta funny ting-a for de whippas and de chain-es,
Mama mia! I'm a bugger boy!
One day in Miami I'm-a walka down de street
When I meet a former catamite who ain't-a very sweet,
He pull outa big-a Nine and he blow me off my feet,
Got plugged by a bugger boy!
Well my clothes costa more
Den you make-a in a year,
Costa more den you make
In your whole damn career,
But now I ain't-a nothing but a dead Italian queer!
Got plugged by a bugger boy!
(Instrumental break. John Denver, waving his
head, does a do-se-do with the sliced and diced
cadaver of Princess Di, the bullet-riddled lich of
Versace and his boyfriend William Kunstler. A line
dance is performed among the headstones by all of the
murder, "suicide", and other mysterious death victims
of the Clinton administration, quite a crowd.)
JOHN DENVER:
Our degenerate lives had a mighty allure,
And our tabloid culture is a pile of manure,
And we turned the whole world into an open-air sewer!
By God! We were stupid goys!
Bein' dead has one advantage as a rule,
You can see where you've been such a gol-durned fool,
And where we're going now ain't really very cool,
By God! We were stupid goys!
Well we had the idea
We could do what we wanted
We could trash our own people
And then we could flaunt it,
Then we croaked and we found what the Lord really wanted,
By God! We were stupid goys!
(The earth opens and Hell swallows them all up as the dawn breaks...)
Capt. Meat
ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:
> It's starting to look like a Lynyrd Skynrd concert
>with all these candles in the darkness now. From an e-mail
>received yesterday:
>
> "Like many people in the National Alliance, over the
>past year I have become deeply dissatisfied and concerned
>over the direction we have been heading in, which actually
>seems to be no direction at all. Racial politics seems
>to have been replaced completely by a bizarre and obsessive
>hatred of one man, yourself. I have reached the point
>where I have to consider the likelihood that what I have
>been told about you is untrue, and I would like to receive
>some NSWPP material so I can formulate my own assessment."
So, Winston...either you have a new lackey, or
you are now an endangered species...What's that
they say about killing the messenger?
Capt. Othello
Moor of Everything, Inc.
Jack Kemp
Gord McFee wrote:
> In <344480...@concentric.net>, on 10/15/97
> at 01:34 AM, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
>
> > Gord McFee wrote:
> > >
> > > In <344331...@concentric.net>, on 10/14/97
> > > at 01, Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net> said:
>
> > > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who
> > > > were supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge
> > > > has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
> > > > certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above
> > > > a classic "straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the
> > > > explanation of how all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished
> > > > into thin air.
> > >
> > > That may be because you are waiting for an explanation of something that
> > > no one claims happened. It could be a long wait.
> > >
> > > Ashes and bone fragments, in some cases in large amounts, have been
> > > discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka, just to name two.
>
> > Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
> > fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
> > "approximation" of 11 or 12 million, nor does the "discovery" of ashes
> > and bone fragments indicate whether a given decedent was a victim of a
> > typhus infection or perhaps was scared to death by evil Nazis wearing
> > Halloween masks.
>
> I didn't say that the equivalent of 11 or 12 million bodies in ashes and
> bones had been discovered. Simply that large amounts had been
> discovered at Auschwitz and Treblinka.
Wrong. Mere traces of ash and bone were found. Not enough to substantiate the big lie
of millions being executed. Let's be honest.
> > Fortunately for you and yours, however, in our culture today we
> > customarily dispense with such logical objections when the subject is
> > the "Holocaust". Sure, it indicates a certain lack of integrity but
> > I'm sure you'll agree it's _very_ convenient.
>
> Not at all. There is nothing convenient about it. I am reminded of one
> example where an Einsatzgruppe death site was excavated and the number
> of bodies came within 50 (550 versus 500) of the number reported in the
> Einsatzkommando report for the say the executions took place. Small
> numbers to be sure, but the convergence is interesting, wouldn't you
> agree?
No. Your connection here hangs like a nebulous thread. A light intellectual breeze
would break it to shreds.
> > > > > Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
> > > > > quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> > > > > > and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
> > > > >
> > > > > In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
> > > > > according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
> > > > > is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
> > > > > Dust_, p.262.)
> > >
> > > > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
> > >
> > > Many were burned. Many were buried.
>
> > The question was "So how did so many millions of brains disappear?"
> > Or are you taking issue with Van Alstine and his authority _du jour_?
>
> Neither. I don't pretend to have any expertise in the area of
> incineration or deterioration of brains, except possibly my own.
>
> --
> Gord McFee <gmc...@ibm.net>
> I'll write no line before its time
A limp try, Gordo. You have done far better. What's the matter? Getting tired and
beginning to doubt? Just come on over. You should have proven to yourself by now the
fickle nature of the Holocaust so-called facts. It's a lie. Face it.
Jack Kemp
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> In article <344331...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
> > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > "miracles."
> >
> > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
> > supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
>
> No miracles needed. Cremation is a well-proven and practiced technique for
> corpse disposal. That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
> personal problem.
>
> > No one to my knowledge has stated that it's physically impossible to gas or
> > incinerate a certain number of people in the abstract (which fact renders
> > the above a classic "straw man" argument)....
>
> Then why did Mr. Ives make a "classic 'straw man' argument"?
>
> > but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
> > all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
>
> Mr. Ives must been comatose when this has been discussed ad nauseum in
> the group! No matter. Once again, for Mr. Ives's edification:
>
> At Auschwitz for example:
>
> <begin quote>
>
> During the period when the fires were kept continously burning without a
> break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed and
> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
> same way.
>
> <end quote>
>
> Source: Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.45.
>
Well, if you don't mind, I'd like to take samples from that little old roadbed to the Vistula for starters. Then I'd like to check the fields downstream where the Vistula floods and empties its contents complete
with bone fragments, ash, etc., said to be dumped there. Until then, pardon my skepticism and unacceptance of your blather.
Gord McFee
In <3448423B...@aol.com>, on 10/17/97
at 11:59 PM, Wilson Pickett <pi...@aol.com> said:
> Gord McFee wrote:
[deleted]
> > > Interesting point. So how did so many millions of brains disappear?
> >
> > Many were burned. Many were buried.
> That's a lie, Gord. Only mere traces of bone fragments were ever found
> at Auschwitz. In fact, out of 300 specimen drill holes, only a few had
> even "traces" or "wisps" of bone matter. Not enough to support the
> myth of constant burning of corpses. In fact, the drillings proved
> just the opposite. Why lie, Gord?
Sorry, spam-boy, the evidence supports what I said. Perhaps if you
would check it out instead of polluting the newsgroup with your mindless
drivel, you would learn something.
[spam deleted]
NSWPP
October 17th, 1997
Don't Cry For Me Argentina...
By Nick Ashton
She had to let it happen, and we don't know why,
Hillary has started on the downward decline to a
political place in our history books. She turns
fifty on October 26th and is now embarking upon a
run for a political career. The truth is, she's
always wanted to be a leader and what a better
place to be, than Argentina. The home of Evita,
a woman who left her mark on the world and
successfully brought a country together for
all the wrong reasons. Is Hillary modeling herself
after Evita? Heaven help us, I hear a Broadway
musical coming on!
At least Hillary was talking about the poor and the
rich and health care, remember, they haven't heard
it all before over there. Bill was busy vetoing the
government workers pension plan and checking if press
reports on his medical problem and Paula Jones
accusations are true. Who wouldn't veto something
when you have this on your mind? But Japanese trade
embargoes are looming over the oceans horizons, tomorrow
will tell us if that $13 billion dollar import of Japanese
goods will come to a screeching halt. $4 million in fines
on Japanese shipping companies remains unpaid and US ships
are still trying to get access to their ports, which they
were promised We are talking about agreements that were
made over 5 years ago and have still been discussing up
until today. Who will give in first? Or will the American
people be the losers once again?
Imagine, it's 2004, we're one month away from the
Presidential elections and candidate Clinton is making
another speech on health care, what chance do you thing
she has of winning the Presidential election in that year?
Frightening thought! But a possibility that Hillary is
grooming herself for a run at the White House on her own.
I wonder if Bill will still be around? He could play the
first man very well, I wonder what his agenda would be?
Aspirations are alright for sane and just people, there
has never been a President and First Lady with so much
baggage in America's history and we need to see this the
history books reflect the truth for a change. Will we
ever see a criminal action against a White House Clinton?
Will we ever be given the truth on Hillary's involvement
with Vince Foster? Will Webster Hubble tell the truth
in his upcoming book on Hillary's power struggle at the
Rose law firm and the cooking of the books that she was
involved with? Some the questions you need to file away
and bring out for the 2004 Presidential elections. Please
remember, Don't Cry for Me Argentina.
Respectfully,
Nick Ashton
NSWPP
[Courtesy of Brian Kennedy]
SPEECH OF OCTOBER 9, 1938
Saarbruecken
Background:
1938
October 7 - Hitler Youth attack the Bishop's Palace in
Vienna.
The Speech:
"German Folk!
"If in the midst of these great days and their occurrences I
have come into your district, then it was done in the
conviction that nobody can evince greater appreciation of
these last weeks and days than yourself.
"You may, men and women of Saarland, you have experienced
for yourselves what it means to be separated from the Reich
and you yourselves have gone through the joy of being
reunited. You, too, suffered all this woe for two decades,
and you, too, were supremely happy when the hour of reunion
struck and you could return to the common Reich. Exactly
that same thing was experienced and participated in by
millions of Germans. The same joy seized them that once
stirred you. At the beginning of this year, the twentieth
after our collapse, I made a decision to lead back into the
Reich 10,000,000 Germans who still stood outside.
"It was perfectly clear to me that this return could be
compelled only by our own strength. The rest of the world,
for the largest part, had no understanding. It neither saw
nor wanted to see that here, 10,000,000 humans, in violation
of the so-called right of self-determination of peoples, had
been separated from the German people and the Reich and had
been maltreated. But it has not understood that these human
beings had but one great yearning, namely, to return to the
Reich. These international world citizens have compassion
indeed, for every scoundrel who is called to account in
Germany, but they are deaf to the sufferings of millions.
That world is still filled with the spirit of Versailles. It
did not free itself from it. No, Germany has liberated
herself from it.
"Even today it still is a mixture of terrible
inconsiderateness and appalling ignorance for these
countries to overlook justice and give lasting effect to
injustice. And so these world democracies remained deaf for
twenty years to all the sufferings and demands of 10,000,000
Germans. Accordingly, a hard decision had to be made. Among
us, too, there were weak characters who did not understand
this. It is self-evident, however, that statesmen conscious
of their responsibility made it a point of honor to take
responsibility.
"The following were the preconditions for bringing about and
carrying through solutions:
"First, internal unity of the nation. I am convinced I am
Fuehrer of a manly people. I know what probably many in the
rest of the world and even isolated ones in Germany do not
seem as yet to know - namely, that the people of the year
1938 are not the people of 1918. Only those who were blind
concerning National Socialism could overlook the tremendous
work of education that the good philosophy of life has
accomplished. There has been created today a community of
spirit throughout our people of power and strength such as
Germany never before has known. This was the first
precondition for the undertaking, and for the success of
this task.
"Second was national rearmament, which I sponsored
fanatically for six years. I am of the opinion that it is
cheaper to prepare one's self before events than to lie
prostrate unprepared for events and then pay the foreign
country.
"The third thing was rendering secure the Reich, and here
you yourselves are witnesses to the tremendous work that is
being accomplished in your very neighborhood. I need tell
you no details about it. I will give expression, however, to
but one conviction: NO POWER IN THE WORLD WILL BE ABLE TO
PUSH THROUGH THIS WALL.
"Fourth, we have gained foreign friends. That axis that
people in other countries so often think they can ridicule
has, during the last two and a half years, not only proved
durable but has proved that even in the worst hours it con-
tinues to function. Nevertheless, we are especially happy
that this task of the year 1938 of again joining 10,000,000
Germans and about 110,000 square kilometers [42,470 square
miles] to the Reich could be accomplished in peace.
"We are all so happy no blood was shed over this despite the
hopes of so many international agitators and profiteers. If
I mention the help of the rest of the world in bringing
about this peaceful solution, I must again and again place
at the head of it our only real friend whom we possess today
- Benito Mussolini.
"I know, and I know that you know what we owe this man. I
should like also to mention two other statesmen who tried
hard to find a way to peace and who, together with the
great Italian and us have concluded an agreement that
secured justice for 10,000,000 Germans and peace for the
world. I am happy these millions of Germans are free, that
they belong to us and that peace has been secured.
"Nevertheless, the experiences, especially of the last eight
months, must strengthen our resolve to be careful and never
to leave anything undone that must be done for the
protection of the Reich. Opposite us are statesmen who -
that, we must believe of them - also want peace. HOWEVER,
THEY GOVERN IN COUNTRIES WHOSE INTERNAL CONSTRUCTION MAKES
IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM AT ANY TIME TO BE SUPPLANTED BY OTHERS
WHO DO NOT AIM AT PEACE. THESE OTHERS ARE THERE. IN ENGLAND,
IT MERELY IS NECESSARY THAT INSTEAD OF CHAMBERLAIN, A DUFF
COOPER OR AN EDEN OR A CHURCHILL COME INTO POWER. WE KNOW
THAT THE AIM OF THESE MEN WOULD BE TO START WAR. They do not
attempt to hide it. That obligates us to be on the watch to
think of the protection of the Reich.
"We know further that now, as before, there is lurking
threateningly that Jewish-international world enemy who has
found a living expression in bolshevism. We also know the
power of the international press that lives solely on lies
and calumniation. In view of this peculiarity of the world
about us and of these forces we must be careful about the
future. We must at all times have a will for peace but be
ready for defense.
"I have, therefore, decided to continue construction of our
fortifications in the west with increased energy as already
indicated in my Nuremberg speech. Also, I shall include
large districts that hitherto lay before our fortifications
namely the Aachen region and Saarbruecken region, in this
belt of fortifications. That will be done for the protection
of the Reich.
"As for the rest, I am happy now to be able within the next
few days to rescind those measures that we have projected or
been compelled to introduce during critical months and
weeks. I am happy hundreds of thousands of men can go home
and reservists can be discharged. I am happy to be able to
thank them for doing their duty. I am particularly happy to
be able to thank the German people for having conducted
itself in so wonderfully manly a manner. Especially do I
thank a hundred thousand German workers, engineers and
others of whom 10,000 are standing in your midst - men who
helped build fortifications. You have helped, my comrades,
to secure peace for Germany, and so, as a strong State, we
are ready at all times to embark upon a policy of
understanding with the world about us. We can do that. We
want nothing from others. We have no wishes or demands. We
want peace.
"There is only one thing - THIS REFERS TO OUR RELATIONS TO
ENGLAND: IT WOULD BE GOOD IF IN ENGLAND CERTAIN MANNERISMS
HELD OVER FROM THE VERSAILLES PERIOD WERE DISCARDED. WE JUST
CANNOT STAND FOR A GOVERNESS-LIKE GUARDIANSHIP OF GERMANY.
"Inquiries by British statesmen or Parliamentarians
concerning the fate of the Reich's subjects inside Germany
are out of order. We do not bother about similar things in
England. The rest of the world would sometimes have had
reason enough to bother about international happenings -
happenings in Palestine. We leave this to those who feel
themselves pre-ordained by God to solve these problems. And
we observe with amazement how they do solve them. We must,
however, give these gentlemen advice to attend even more to
the solution of their own problems and to leave us in peace.
"It also is part of the task of securing world peace that
responsible statesmen and politicians look after their own
affairs and refrain from constantly meddling talk with the
problems of other countries and peoples. By such mutual
considerateness, preconditions are really created for
durable peace, of which no one is more earnestly desirous
than the German people.
"We have great tasks facing us, great cultural tasks.
Economic problems must be solved. No people can make better
use of peace than we. However, no people knows better than
we what it means to be weak and be at the mercy of others
for better or for worse...."
Mark Van Alstine
In article <34493952$1$tzpsrr$mr2...@news2.ibm.net>, Gord McFee
<gmc...@ibm.net> wrote:
Aside from the victims who corpses had been incinerated over the months
and years that Auschwitz was in operation (and of which remains were
found), corpses were also found at the time of liberation. According
Czech:
<begin quote>
January 27 [1945]
[...]
The first Red Army reconnaissance troops arrive in Birkenau and Auschwitz
around 3:00 P.M. and are joyfully greeted by the liberated prisoners.
After the removal of mines from the surrounding area, soldiers of the 60th
Army of the 1st Ukranian Front, commanded by General Pawel Kuroczkin,
march into the camp and bring freedom to the prisoners who are still
alive. On the grounds of the main camp are 48 corpses and in Birkenau over
600 corpses of male and female prisoners who were shot to death or died
otherwise in the last few days.
<end quote>
Source: Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle_, p.805.
NSWPP
THE TRUTH MEN FEAR
by Jonathan Allen Cummings
Few dare to admit when it's time to abandon peaceful discourse
at the ballot box in exchange for the cartridge box, even when every
other possibility has ostensibly been exhausted. But why?
There are three reasons:
1.) Paleoconservatives fervently believe that they have "The
Truth" on their side. Therefore, they think it is only a matter of time
before their adversaries will see the light and yield the right of way.
But in the end, it is not just the truth that defeats tyranny and wins
the battles for the heart and soul of a nation; rather, it is the
willingness, the determination and the collective strength of a people
loyal to a cause, which is based in the truth, that prevails.
Yet, history has been mired with the corpses of countless
victims who mistakenly relied on their good intentions to achieve
cultural sovereignty without employing the vigorous use of arms. Even
when the abuse and suffering has spanned several generations, most have
seemed reluctant to accept the fact, that, those who are blinded by sin
do not possess the common sense needed to differentiate between right
and wrong. It is only when the price of being nobly passive far exceeds
the cost of implementing aggressive force when the downtrodden finally
consider a call to action. By then, though, it is much more expensive
then most would hazard to guess.
Notwithstanding, conservatives have understood what it means to
maintain peace through strength. The problem arose when they failed to
prevent leftist saboteurs from tampering with the proverbial line drawn
in the sand. Instead of standing firm, they have repeatedly given in to
the winds of compromise; and with the passage of time, it has become
increasingly difficult for even our most astute thinkers to locate the
original mark. As a result, conservatives have learned to tolerate the
redefinition of terms according to an ungodly majoritarian consensus
which is being bolstered by the redistribution of the wealth.
In contrast, the Founding Fathers created the Second Amendment
to be an insurance policy against all sorts of tyranny, none of which
included delegating the interpretation of a fundamental right to
government referees. Unfortunately, the bad guys have beaten the good
guys to the punch; and whenever they could pull a fast one, they have
gotten away with blaming those they hit below the belt for not getting
out of the way. In short, when paleoconservatives cry foul, liberals
and their neoconservative cousins just change the rules of the game.
In essence, then, despots and charlatans carry a big stick they
have not been afraid to use. This explains, in part, why rampant crime,
licentiousness, corruption, infidelity, lusts of the flesh,
materialism, same sex marriages, abortion, mandatory charity, feminism,
multiculturalism, illegal immigration, progressive taxation and even
compulsory education, to name just a few societal afflictions which are
blessed by the state, continue to proliferate.
To make matters worse, trendy Christians have been compromising
their principles for so long they have lost sight of their religious
heritage. Many have also been duped into thinking it is quite
reasonable to adopt a secular form of righteousness in exchange for the
"antiquated" and "abstract" complexities outlined in the Bible. Little
do they know, however, that they have been participating in the
glorification of dirt; which is to say, the epitome of rebelliousness
towards God and the quickest path to ruin. In fact, the steady
erosion of Colonial values has made us accessories to the very evils we
are duty-bound to hate. The solution, therefore, lies in one's
capacity to accept reality for what it is, rather than what one would
wish it to be.
2.) Although many like to complain bitterly, and go through the
motions of instituting changes within the confines of a system which
has been transformed into a secular arbiter of laws, being somewhat
comfortable and fat causes an apathetic majority to lack the desire to
do what needs to be done. Frankly, there is an appalling level of
toleration shared by conservatives, even when their most sacred
principles have been compromised or violated; and this dreadful
situation exists because far too many have actually found contentment
within the status quo. To put it succinctly, ordinary selfishness and
narrow-mindedness, as old as civilization itself, has had as much of
an impact on conservatives as it has to liberals;
3.) Coming to grips with the worst case scenario, which involves
an armed insurrection, means that there is no turning back once that
threshold is crossed. As a result, many fear losing what little freedom
they have because they have rationalized that their current pitiful
condition is preferable to fighting for what has been lost or is about
to be seized. This is besides the fact that genuine liberty comes
directly from maintaining God's Law (i.e. the Ten Commandments), not
manmade imitations.
So in effect, an alarming number of our Founding Fathers
descendants have accepted the faulty notion, that, the government's
definition of liberty has a greater value than the legitimate authority
traditionally inspired by the Word of God. Thus, each time the
establishment takes something away, the morally inept ignore what has
been confiscated by staying focused on what they still have, even
though what remains is counterfeit, mundane or utterly worthless.
Worse still, cultural saboteurs have managed to convolute the
meaning of righteousness into a New Age utilitarian perspective, which
is to say, man ultimately decides what is right and wrong, not God. The
net effect of this deception, regrettably, has helped constitute a
pretentious disposition of endearment among the masses for things which
are neither virtuous or honorable. Nevertheless, this explains why it
is useless to pretend that the hearts and souls of a nation can be won
over by confronting Goliath with anything less than what God has
determined takes to succeed.
Given these circumstances, there is nothing to be gained by
tossing what amounts to token gestures at a managerial class which has
been commandeered by ignorant swine; neither will we convince the
multitudes who have become dependent on the "freedom" to indulge in the
immorality the state protects to surrender what they now assume are
inalienable rights. Yes, we have to adopt an alternative plan, a plan
that every able-bodied patriot knows in his gut is unavoidable.
In all honesty, we are the last remnants of God's people who share
the same fiery spirit that guided our forefathers; and like them, we
too must find the courage and fortitude to live free or die. Because we
alone acknowledge the fact that America was founded by Christians, was
nurtured by Christians, and was meant to be the world's last sanctuary
for Christinas, we must act to take this country back, lest we
grovel in the bondage of our cowardice.
In retrospect, it was never the intention of the Framers to
create a safe-haven for heathens, agnostics, or multicultural
proselytizers worshipping at the altar of moral relativism. No, it was
their intention to create a society reflective of and obedient to, the
teachings of Christ Jesus, not the Greek's mythological gods, the god
of the Aztecs, or the Moslems.
If you recall, early on Thomas Jefferson declared: God forbid we
should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. Translated: it
was their duty then, just as it is ours today, to use force to insure
the preservation of the original culture if and when it has deviated
from its prescribed tenets. Unlike the failed governing arrangements
devised by countless others, America's architects chose to model a
unique constitutional republic, meaning a system built upon the rule of
law which affirmed God as sovereign.
In so doing, they constructed a system around a single culture
which took into account man's fallen nature, and this led to
instituting the checks and balances needed to safeguard against the
ever changing moods of popular opinion. Yet, one need only study the
steady degenerative progressions of the Soviet Union and China to get a
sense of where we are headed, and although our leaders refer to
themselves as anything but tghe arrogant charlatans they really are,
we know the utilitarian ethic which guides them is no different than
the thinking espoused by Mao Tse Tung and Joseph Stalin. In fact, there
is no substantive difference. Granted, their methods may vary
somewhat, but their objectives are technically one and the same
So, here we are, 131 years since the wrong side won the Civil
War; and alas, our nation has been overrun by sniveling dependents and
shrewd carpetbaggers feeding off of each other. Like maggots gnawing
away at an apple's core without regard of consuming the seeds, they
defile liberty and leave a trail of destruction that makes it
impossible to bring forth new fruit.
When George Washington gave his farewell address he offered this
observation: "It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is the
necessary spring of popular government." Yet, today we are told that
things other than social issues matter most; which explains, in part,
how the Money Man mentality that presently dominates our culture was
able to assert itself above the laws of God. Perhaps Alan Keyes said it
best when he warned: "We can no longer follow leaders for whom the
moral challenge facing this nation is an afterthought.... Politicians
unwilling to confront the killing spirit of our times declare their
moral cowardice and forfeit the right to lead.
Another great statesman, Andrew Jackson, wrote: "In a free
government he demand for moral qualities should be made superior to
that of talents." But try telling that to the Wall Street jackals and
their Washington puppets who are elated about redistributing the wealth
mostly among themselves. Like cancer in the blood, it's absurd to
believe that the disease will somehow cure itself; nor should anyone
with even a remote idea about right and wrong be satisfied while
waiting endlessly for the unattainable.
Hence, today's patriots must do what needs to be done because they
are bonded to a higher set of ideals: one nation under God and one
culture over man. Moreover, we cannot afford to close our eyes to the
fact that our country has degenerated beyond repair when we are
expected to drink poison to quench our thirst for righteousness. No,
corrective surgery will not restore a missing arm or a leg; instead,
the time has arrived for a complete overhaul beginning with
the head.
The question is: how much does freedom mean to you?
Bear in mind, the Book of Mark states that the spirit is willing,
but the flesh is weak. So do not think for a moment that genuine
freedom comes without paying a price; nor will the temptation to
neglect our duties be easy to overcome. We just have to hope that God
grants us the wisdom and the courage to purge tyranny from our shores
before we drown in disgrace like the people who ignored Noah.
But because most folks prefer not to accept unpleasant realities,
regardless of how corrupt the conditions in America have become, the
path towards prosperity will be long and arduous. Even so, we have
already seen countless examples of failing to get satisfaction by way
of either peaceful protest or petitioning of grievances. You must ask
yourself: can anyone honestly be a patriot or a defender of freedom
while allowing the unborn to be killed? In truth, they can't; but if
you are willing to accept the responsibility of upholding the sanctity
of life entrusted to us by God, then we really have no other choice but
to go on the offensive.
Indeed, Christians are drastically out-numbered, out-financed and
out-gunned, but when has God's people ever needed the most of anything
in order to defeat the vanguards of sin? Never! So be careful not to
make the mistake of embracing the strategy of liars who depend on your
pacifism to maintain their stranglehold. Rest assured, though, doing
nothing to stop the advance of evil is the same as giving it your
blessing.
May we, therefore, find strength in the words of Charles
Montesquieu, the one man who influenced our Founding Fathers perhaps
more than any other: When once a republic is corrupted, there is no
possibility of remedying any of the growing evils, but by removing the
corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is
either useless or a new evil. You may not fully understand the
significance or the ramifications of applying what is normally
unthinkable, even in a dire situation, but the massacre at Waco should
have been a definite wake-up call. If not, you are most likely part of
the problem, not the solution.
So get prepared. Those who insist on talking their way out of
exercising their responsibility to God and country are helping to
destroy everything our Founding Fathers fought to establish. The choice
is simple: you either do battle with the enemy on his terms (which most
assuredly brings about defeat); or you take advantage of launching an
organized assault under the auspices of surprise. Least of which, one
must first possess the initiative to cut the cord with the lords of
imagery; and that can only happen when we stop running from the truth
and face tyranny head on.
This is the truth:
The war of words is over except in the minds of the naive and the
spiritually dead.
For the love of God, we must end this romantic attachment to the
false spirit of self-righteous pacifism which has taken the place of
rational thinking. Like the concubine who eventually learns to love her
brutal master, much of the body politic has been conditioned to get
satisfaction while being molested. God bless the patriot, for without
these men and women, America will be no more.
NSWPP
COURT UNDERMINES STARR'S FINDINGS IN FOSTER CASE
Adds Addendum by Key Witness Dismissed by Starr
By Cathy Leahy
*Exclusive*
Now that the court for which Whitewater Independent Counsel
Kenneth W. Starr works has issued his long awaited report on the
death of former White House Deputy Counsel Vincent W. Foster for
public consumption, it becomes evident by their actions in the
last three months that the three judges who appointed Kenneth
Starr are very displeased with his work.
In addition to the 114 pages that the dominant media is
reporting, there are a few more. Some twenty more to be exact.
These pages are the equivalent of a neutron bomb detonated over
official Washington. In these pages, Starr's case to support his
suicide-in-the park theory is ripped to shreds. Reed Irvine of
Accuracy in Media recently wrote that Starr would have egg on his
face if the judges decided to make these pages part of the report
but Irvine was wrong. It is more like eggs benedict with
hashbrowns.
The author of the attachment is John Clarke who is the attorney
for Ft. Marcy Park grand jury witness, Patrick Knowlton. Knowlton
was harassed and intimidated, allegedly by government agents,
when he had the audacity to state that the official version of
his statements to the FBI about what he saw in the park the day
Foster was found dead was a pack of lies. His subsequent lawsuit
against the government for witness tampering notwithstanding,
here is the dramatic sequence of events as they unfolded after
Starr announced, on July 15, 1997, that he had filed his suicide
report with the court:
Juw. "It
is clear that they read our evidence and weighed it against
Starr's report and didn't find his argument convincing." The
judges have no statutory power to fire Starr from this
investigation, only the attorney general can do that. "So they
used the only way they had vent their anger. They forced Starr to
append his own report with Knowlton's. They couldn't have done
anything worse to Ken Starr's career. They took him to the
woodshed and gave him a severe lashing. They must be fuming at
this miscarriage of justice," Clarke said.
It has been three days since this bombshell was dropped, and the
press is still touting the official line while ignoring the real
story. Clarke reports that the only contact he has had with the
mainstream press is when NBC called him Friday afternoon to see
if he would be available for comment. He has heard nothing since.
"The report is full of changed testimony and manufactured
evidence and they had the luxury of three years to do it," Clarke
contends. In the case of Richard Arthur, the paramedic who
adamantly insisted Foster had a neck wound at the jawline (which
has since been supported by documentary evidence), Arthur was
grilled over and over after his original testimony to the FBI
until he finally admitted that he might possibly be wrong. "The
Starr report is replete with instances such as this."
Clarke discounts Starr's reliance on forensic pathologist Henry
Lee who was instrumental in getting O. J. Simpson acquitted.
"It's outrageous, but it is gratifying to know that the court saw
through it," he said. Clarke said it is obvious that the panel
was persuaded that the Starr report was a fraud.
So now what? With the credibility of the Starr report in tatters,
courtesy of a few brave souls and jurists who haven't been co-
opted into the coverup, when will justice be served? "It's up to
congress," replied Clarke. "Aside from our civil suit on the
witness tampering, Congress is now the only entity that can see
that justice is done. Congress must have full, open and complete
public hearings on this subject immediately."
Published in the Oct. 13, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly
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NORBERT
In article <62bj9e$a...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
ns...@ix.netcom.com(NSWPP) wrote:
> THE TRUTH MEN FEAR
> by Jonathan Allen Cummings
>>>snip>>>>
i'll save this post in case i run out of toilet paper
NSWPP
To All Aryan Racial Nationalists:
RESISTANCE, the newsletter of the reconstituted National
Socialist White People's Party, is the only weekly publication on the
racial right other than SPOTLIGHT. Each issue is six pages. It's issued
in loose-leaf format to facilitate and encourage photocopying and
distribution in the White community. This is the original RESISTANCE,
founded in October 1990 by Winston Smith, as opposed to the later
(excellent) glossy Skinhead music magazine published by George Burdi.
(Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery!)
Since 1990 RESISTANCE has developed a deserved reputation
within the Movement as the hardest-hitting and best-written publication
on the racial right. Subscriptions are $30.00 per year, $50.00 per year
overseas air mail in U. S. currency. Sample copies and packets of
N.S.W.P.P. literature are free, although we'd take it kindly if you'd
include a minimum donation of $2.00 to cover the cost of material and
postage.
RESISTANCE is available on an exchange basis to other racial
nationalist, Revisionist, or pro-Aryan organizations. If you'd like to
receive RESISTANCE each week, send a sample copy of your own
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NSWPP
HITLER'S ORDER OF THE DAY, APRIL 6, 1941
Berlin
Background:
March 23 - Japanese Foreign Minister Matsuoka visits Moscow.
March 25 - Yugoslav Government signs pact with Axis in
Vienna.
March 26 - Matsuoka visits Berlin and is received
by Hitler.
March 27 - A popular revolt in Yugoslavia forces resignation
of Regent Prince Paul's Government. Seventeen year old King
Peter II assumes power with General Simovitch as Premier.
Nazi agencies in Serbia are wrecked by the people. German
"tourists" and colonists leave the country.
In Lybia, German motorized divisions reinforce the Italians.
Conquest of Italian East Africa is practically completed by
the British.
March 28 - British fleet inflicts serious defeat on Italian
Navy in Ionian sea.
April 6 - A pact of non-aggression between Russia and
Yugoslavia is made public.
Germany declares war on Yugoslavia and attacks both
Yugoslavia and Greece.
From Berlin, Propaganda Minister Goebbels reads the
following Order of the Day to the German Army of the East,
in the name of the Fuehrer:
Order of the Day:
"Soldiers of the Southeast Front:
"Since early this morning the German people are at war with
the Belgrade Government of intrigue. We shall only lay down
arms when this band of ruffians has been definitely and most
emphatically eliminated, and the last Briton has left this
part of the European Continent. These misled people realize
that they must thank Britain for this situation, they must
thank England, the greatest warmonger of all time.
"The German people can enter into this new struggle with the
inner satisfaction that its leaders have done everything to
bring about a peaceful settlement.
"We pray to God that He may lead our soldiers on the path
and bless them as hitherto.
"In accordance with the policy of letting others fight for
her, as she did in the case of Poland, Britain again tried
to involve Germany in the struggle in which Britain hoped
that she would finish off the German people once and for
all, to win the war, and if possible to destroy the entire
German Army.
"In a few weeks, long ago, the German soldiers on the
Eastern Front swept aside Poland, the instrument of British
policy. On April 9, 1940, Britain again attempted to reach
its goal by a thrust on the German north flank, the thrust
at Norway.
"In an unforgettable struggle the German soldiers in Norway
eliminated the British within a period of a few weeks.
"What the world did not deem possible the German people have
achieved. Again, only a few weeks later, Churchill thought
the moment right to make a renewed thrust through the
British Allies, France and Belgium, into the German region
of the Ruhr. The victorious hour of our soldiers on the West
Front began.
"It is already war history how the German Armies defeated
the legions of capitalism and plutocracy. After forty-five
days this campaign in the West was equally and emphatically
terminated.
"Then Churchill concentrated the strength of his Empire
against our ally, Italy, in Africa. Now the danger has also
been banned from the African theater of the war through the
co-operation of Italian and German units.
"The new aim of the British warmongers now consists of the
realization of a plan that they had already hatched at the
outbreak of the war and only postponed because of the
gigantic victories of the German Army. The memory of the
landing of British troops at Salonika in the course of the
first World War also caught little Greece in the spider web
of British intrigue.
"I have repeatedly warned of the attempt by the British to
land troops in Southeastern Europe, and I have said that
this constitutes a threat to the German Reich. Unfortunately
this warning went unheeded by the Yugoslav nation. I have
further tried, always with the same patience, to convince
Yugoslav statesmen of the absolute necessity for their
cooperation with the German Reich for restoration of lasting
peace and order within Yugoslavia.
"After long effort we finally succeeded in securing the
cooperation of Yugoslavia by its adherence to the Tripartite
Pact without having demanded anything whatsoever of the
Yugoslav nation except that it take its part in the
reconstruction of a new order in Europe.
"At this point the criminal usurpers of the new Belgrade
Government took the power of the State unto themselves,
which is a result of being in the pay of Churchill and
Britain. As in the case of Poland, this new Belgrade
Government has mobilized decrepit and old people into their
inner Cabinet. Under these circumstances I was forced
immediately to recall the German national colony within
Yugoslav territory.
"Members and officers of the German Embassy, employees of
our consulates in Yugoslavia were daily being subjected to
the most humiliating attacks. The German schools, exactly as
in Poland, were laid in ruins by bandits. Innumerable German
nationals were kidnaped and attacked by Yugoslavs and some
even were killed.
"In addition, Yugoslavia for weeks has planned a general
mobilization of its army in great secrecy. This is the
answer to my eight-year-long effort to bring about closer
co-operation and friendship with the Yugoslav people, a task
that I have pursued most fastidiously.
"When British divisions were landed in Greece, just as in
World War days, the Serbs thought the time was ripe for
taking advantage of the situation for new assassinations
against Germany and her allies.
"Soldiers of the Southeast Front: Now your zero hour has
arrived. You will now take the interests of the German Reich
under your protection as your comrades did a year ago in
Norway and on the West Front. You will do just as well on
the Southeast Front.
"In doing this, your duty, you will not be less courageous
than the men of those German divisions who in 1915, on the
same Balkan soil, fought so victoriously. You will be
humane only in those places where the enemy is humane toward
you. Where the enemy confronts you with utter brutality you
will beat them back with the same weapon.
"The fight on Greek soil is not a battle against the Greek
people, but against that archenemy, England, which is again
trying to extend the war far into the Southeast Balkans, the
same as he tried far in the north last year. For this
reason, on this very spot in the Balkans, we shall fight
shoulder to shoulder with our ally until the last Briton has
found his Dunkerque in Greece.
"If any Greeks support this British course, then those
Greeks will fall at the same time as the British.
"When the German soldier shall have proved himself, shall
have proved that he is capable of beating the British in the
Balkans, in the midst of snow and mountains, then also he
will have proved that he can beat the British in the heat of
the desert in Africa.
"However, we will pursue no other ultimate aim than to win
freedom for our German people and to secure a living space
for the German family.
"The prayers and thoughts, the very life of all Germans, are
again in the heart of every German soldier."
NSWPP
Courtesy of Conspiracy Nation]
IT'S DANGEROUS TO KNOW TOO MUCH
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As In The Whitewater Affair, Oklahoma
City Bombing Witnesses Are Dying Fast.
--------------------------------------
By Mike Blair (Spotlight, 5/19/97)
Two key witnesses in the Oklahoma City bombing case will not
appear to testify at the Denver trial of Timothy McVeigh, one of
the two accused of being responsible for the bombing, because
they are dead.
One death has been labeled a suicide. The other victim was
killed in an air crash. Both deaths took place under
questionable circumstances.
The supposed suicide is Oklahoma City Police Officer Terrance
Yeakey. Dr. Howard D. Chumley was killed when his airplane
crashed on a flight from Amarillo, Texas to Guthrie, Oklahoma.
Yeakey is one of those cited for extraordinary bravery right
after the bombing of the Alfred E. Murrah Federal Office Building
in Oklahoma City in his case for rescuing four people from the
devastated structure before he fell through a floor and injured
his back.
Official reports claim Yeakey slashed his wrists, one twice and
the other three times, placed two slits in a vein at the bend of
the elbow of one arm and four at the bend of the elbow of the
other, and then stabbed himself with the knife in both sides of
the throat, near the jugular vein. Then he walked one-and-a-half
miles where he shot himself in the side of the head. The bullet
entered the upper temple on the right side and exited below the
upper jaw bone on the left side, meaning the gun would have been
pointed in a downward angle -- a most unlikely way for a person
bent on suicide to hold a gun.
-+- Hard To Believe -+-
"The burning question here is why he didn't just shoot himself in
the first place, if suicide was his aim," one investigator
remarked.
Police in Oklahoma claim that Yeakey had become depressed because
of guilt that he was unable to save more people. He was
scheduled to receive the Oklahoma City Police Department's Medal
of Valor.
Yeakey, police claim, left no suicide note. However, The
Spotlight has obtained a copy of a letter he sent to a victim of
the bombing who was questioning the federal government's claims
about the cause of the tragedy and those accused as the
perpetrators.
Highlights from his letter follow:
The man that you and I were talking about in the pictures I
have made the mistake of asking too many questions as to
his role in the bombing and was told to back off...
I was told by several officers he was a ATF agent who was
overseeing the bombing plot and at the time the photos were
taken he was calling in his report of what had just went
down!
Knowing what I know now and understanding fully just what
went down that morning makes me ashamed to wear a badge
from Oklahoma City's Police Department. I took an oath to
uphold the law and to enforce the law to the best of my
ability. This is something I cannot honestly do and hold
my head up proud any longer if I keep my silence as I am
ordered to do...
The sad truth of the matter is that they have so many
police officers convinced that by covering up the truth
about the operation gone wrong, that they are actually
doing our citizens a favor. What I want to know is how
many other operations have they had that blew up in their
faces? Makes you stop and take another look at Waco...
Even if I tried to explain it to you the way it was
explained to me and the ridiculous reason for having our
own police department falsify reports to their fellow
officers, to the citizens of the city and to our country,
you would feel the way I do about all of this...
According to his death certificate, Yeakey's body was found in a
field about two-and-a-half miles west of the El Reno (Oklahoma)
Reformatory.
"About two weeks before his death, he'd come into my home at
strange times -- 2:30 in the morning, 4 in the morning,
unannounced, trying to give me life insurance policies," Yeakey's
ex-wife stated. "He kept telling me we needed to get remarried
immediately, or me and the girls would not be taken care of... I
mean, why would a guy tell you to take a life insurance policy,
knowing damn well it wouldn't pay for a suicide? He obviously
knew he was in danger..."
Two key pages are missing from the letter, which was apparently
written on a computer. Independent investigators have verified
the letter to be authentic, according to retired FBI Senior
Special Agent Ted L. Gunderson.
According to reports, described to The Spotlight by Gunderson,
Chumley was approached shortly after the bombing and asked to
falsify reports concerning injuries that BATF agents suffered
when the building was bombed.
The physician flatly refused to make any reports of injuries that
didn't occur. When he learned that another doctor in the
Oklahoma City area had agreed to make the false reports, he
objected and threatened to turn the physician in to medical
authorities.
Chumley was killed on September 24, 1995 while the plane he was
piloting from Amarillo to Guthrie was in a climb and suddenly
plunged into a field. He was killed instantly.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
For further info on this and other matters, visit The Spotlight
web site at http://www.spotlight.org
"Freedom means the right to say that two plus two equals four. Once
this is achieved, all else follows." - George Orwell, 1984
Will Williams
Harold "Big lie" Covington wrote:
[snip phony letter to himself]
----------------------------------
I've recently come into possession of a copy of a letter dated 26 September
1997 from Gerald Sprouse to Harold Covington. It is in response to a
counterfeit letter penned by Covington, to himself, over Sprouse's name,
warning Covington to get "far away" from Will Williams "before he kills
you."
A snippit from the phoney letter in Covington's fraudulent "Resistance":
---begin:---
"Wherever you eventually decide to set up headquarters, 'get out of driving
distance of Raleigh,' by which I mean don't be so close that when he
finally snaps he can be lurking outside the post office waiting for you
after only a few hours' drive. You need not only physical but psychological
distance between yourself and this fruitcake. Put 'at least' 24 hours
driving time between yourself and Raleigh. There is 'nothing to be ashamed
of' by avoiding an incident with an insane person which will either cause
you death or injury or else tie you up with the courts forever if you have
to shoot the son of a bitch in self defense. If you want to prove your
macho (which no serious National Socialist needs to have proven to him),
there are other ways to do it than this 'pointless, silly, stupid nonsense'
with a dog who shits on doorsteps."
---end---
This long tirade goes on for five or six more paragraphs like this, giving
Covington a chance to respond to himself that he might have to flee for his
safety from me. He responds:
---begin:---
"As Comrade Sprouse mentioned, on top of all else I am being stalked by a
mentally ill man who will in all probability eventually try to murder me.
Over the past week it has become clear from posts to Usenet and other
information received that he is being "wound up" and egged on to commit
criminal violence by certain people. I am well aware that it makes me sound
paranoid and wierd [and insane and cowardly too - WWW]. But the situation
exists, and I believe it to be only fair to let all of you know that it's
coming down the pike.
It is my belief that an eventual attempt against me by this
individual is now inevitable. It could possibly be delayed by placing
physical distance between myself and this "lone nut" and forcing his
handlers to construct a somewhat more elaborate plot, involving
transporting him and a weapon via airline or other long-distance
conveyance, but I believe it's more a matter of selecting the physical and
legal environment where he will make his attempt; those manipulating him
will make sure he gets to the appointed place, properly tooled up..."
---end---
Remember this is from Defendant Covington who has by now been found guilty
of libeling me and has fled North Carolina to avoid the adverse judgment.
The guy is insufferable.
Now comes Mr. Sprouse upon finding that Covington has spread defamatory
crap in his name:
SUNSHINE PUBLICATIONS
Gerald L. Sprouse, Publisher
POB 830 Ooltwah, TN 37363
September 26, 1997
To: Harold Covington and split personality Winston Smith
It has been called to my attention and evidence rendered proving to me
that you are writing letters to yourself and publishing them in your
publication "Resistance" and very deceitfully plagiarizing my name as
author. You are also writing about me claiming that I am warning you about
some murder plot against yourself, which I know nothing about and which I
believe to be some paranoid delusion of your schizophrenic mind, or an
outright manipulative lie of some sort. You are writing about me and
calling me "Comrade" and inferring and insinuating that I am your associate
and a friend and a member of your organization...
As you darn well know, the only letters that I have ever written to you
were letters demanding that you cease and desist from sending me your
filthy, lying literature...
I must demand that you cease and desist from plagiarizing my name to
your writings or the writings of anyone else, and from calling me "Comrade"
and trying to make it appear that I am in any way associated with you or
your pathetic organization...I demand that you publish an immediate
retraction informing your readers that I was not the author of the "letter"
that you published in my name, and that you know full well that I am not
your "Comrade" or friendly toward you in any way, and that everything which
you attributed to me in your publication was a falsehood...
You are a proficient liar, Mr. Winston Covington, so good at it, in
fact, that you must be a communist Jew, for only a communist Jew can lie so
well. And that is precisely what I think you are, a communist Jew in
disguise pretending to be a Nazi and a caucasian, and even an American
patriot. This conclusion is also supported by the fact that only a
communist Jew would attempt to destroy all of the patriot leaders of
America as you have attempted to do..."
Sincerely,
(signed)
Gerald L. Sprouse
---end Sprouse letter---
Sounds to me like the convicted liar Covington is preparing to run again --
after he builds up his "Building Fund" or is that just his "Fund That I Am
Building?"
Good Grief!
Jan Peters
Daniel Keren wrote:
> "Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
> When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail
> of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over
> the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I
> not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior
> race that multiplies like vermin?"
>
> - The crazed animal Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Joachim Fest's
> "Hitler", p. 679.
Are you sure Hitler wasn't quoting from The Talmud? Here are sayings in
the Jewish Talmud that are quite similar, but say that non-Jews are
worthless scum that can be discounted, killed, enslaved, whatever...
I think you will agree that Hitler was a reserved amatuer by comparison
with the Jews...
Some Teachings of the Talmud Which are Anti-Christian
and Anti-Goyim in General and Demonstrate the Deep
Semitic Hatred of Non-Semites taught by the Jewish
Talmud to Jewish Children.
a
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death
and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in
hell.
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should
go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only
Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").
Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of
Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are
designated animals ("she-asses").
Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a
Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as
hitting God.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not
pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an
ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no
liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew
finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have
to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his
daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or
returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a
Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death
penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the
law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may
use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All
Gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah
(filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not
impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"
Insults Against Blessed Mary Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus'
mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of
princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the
"uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus
mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young A passage from Sanhedrin
106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast
thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is
not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and
deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that
he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Says Jesus was a Sorcerer Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus
("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was
executed because he practiced sorcery.
Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord Gittin 57a . Says Jesus (
see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of
the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he
was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a
Mesith (enticer)?"
Attacks Christians and their Books Rosh Hashanah 17a .
Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will
go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see
footnote #11 for the definition of minim).
Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament
("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion
in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the
Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.
Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of
New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23,
1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a
Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an
outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to
urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse
with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of
occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl
(specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as
the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse
with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast
is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex
with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the
world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him.
God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy
(outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse
till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because
the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does,
his children will be epileptic."
Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout
Talmud and were exhibited in Spielberg's Schindler's List
where the Hollywood director shows a Jewish child jumping
through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a pool of
liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish
children partially immersed who inform the interloper that
this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he
must find his own.
These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic
images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the
cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in
the Talmud as well.
Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy
("catarrh") a Jew should >take the excrement of a white dog
and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he
should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs.<
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm
trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk
between dogs, women or palm trees.
Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating
or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the
following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making
me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have
sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A
Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his
garment like a tent to make it dark.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early
"Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that
four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of
Bethar.
Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were
wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.
(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16
million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16
million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission Abodah Zarah 70a . The question
was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in
Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the
fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile
touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi
says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish
use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the
place where the wine was stolen, are Jews Pharisaic Rituals
Erubin 21b (p. 150). >>Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me
some water to wash my hands."
"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will
it suffice for washing your hands?"
"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting
the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that
I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion
of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing
condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman Kallah 51a (Soncino
Minor Tractates). Teaches that God approves of rabbis who
lie: "The elders were once sitting in the gate when two
young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other
uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi
Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua
remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived
during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that
he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of
your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning
him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in
the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the
question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to
come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.' Rabbi
Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his
heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She
replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah
(menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my
best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to
me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son
of a niddah.
It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who
Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars the
preceding discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who
'uncovered his head').
The reference to the lad's mother is of course to the mother
of Jesus, Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the
hairdresser, in Talmud).
Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim
15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai:
Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles
should all be killed").
This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the
original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the
1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls
and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile,"
(p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in
translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the
various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best
among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the
Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor
Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the
grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who
advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of
June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch
Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred
40 Palestinian civilians while they knelt in prayer in a
mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane
who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs"
is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane
and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that
they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for
non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize
that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same
thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
(NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Judeo-Christian Response to Talmud Neither the modern
popes or the modern preachers of Protestantism, have ever
insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the
Talmud.
On the contrary, the heads of Churchianity have urged the
followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers
of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that these
Catholic and Protestant leaders are the worst betrayers of
Jesus Christ on earth today.
Published By Warrant of John 18:37; Matthew 23:13-15 I
Thess. 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Rev. 3:9.
Researched and authenticated by Alan R. Critchley and
Michael A. Hoffman II Copyright )1994. All Rights
Reserved.
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C. Forrest
Daniel Keren wrote:
>
> "Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
> When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail
> of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over
> the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I
> not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior
> race that multiplies like vermin?"
>
> - The crazed animal Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Joachim Fest's
> "Hitler", p. 679.
the German people. It would better serve your cause of disinformation by
quoting a shabbos goy like Alan Bullock, and his "work" entitled
"Hitler."
http://www.natall.com
Daniel Keren
"C. Forrest" <eri...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
# Daniel Keren wrote:
## "Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
## When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail
## of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over
## the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I
## not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior
## race that multiplies like vermin?"
##
## - The crazed animal Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Joachim Fest's
## "Hitler", p. 679.
# I wonder if the Jew, Joachim Fest, can be objective
# about the savior of the German people.
I wonder if someone, who defines Hitler as "the savior of
the German people", can be objective about anything. BTW,
Fest references his book. You may look up the source of
the quote.
Also, how do you know Fest is Jewish? Except for "he
HAS to be Jewish to write something bad about the
Fuehrer!!!", I mean.
Posted to SCG so they may comment, follwoup set to AR.
-Danny Keren.
Nele Abels-Ludwig
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Gord McFee wrote:
> In <344BC5...@ix.netcom.com>, on 10/20/97
> at 04:58 PM, "C. Forrest" <eri...@ix.netcom.com> said:
[...]
> > I wonder if the Jew, Joachim Fest, can be objective about the savior
> > of the German people. It would better serve your cause of
> > disinformation by quoting a shabbos goy like Alan Bullock, and his
> > "work" entitled "Hitler."
Oh, if he only knew about Fest's position in the Historikerstreit.
ROFL.
Nele
Alexander Baron
In article <344AF20E...@hotmail.com> j...@hotmail.com "Jan Peters" writes:
> Are you sure Hitler wasn't quoting from The Talmud? Here are sayings in
> the Jewish Talmud that are quite similar, but say that non-Jews are
> worthless scum that can be discounted, killed, enslaved, whatever...
>
> I think you will agree that Hitler was a reserved amatuer by comparison
> with the Jews...
>
Before you spout off Hoffman's rubbish, read my refutation. The guy is sick
in the head.
--
Alexander Baron,
93c Venner Road,
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London SE26 5HU.
England.
+44 (0)181 659 7713
E-Mail A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
NSWPP (ns...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: EVIDENCE SUGGESTS WHITES SETTLED AMERICAS FIRST
:
: The remains of probably the oldest North American
: ever found have been recovered in Washington State. The
: 9,300-year-old skeleton is 90 percent complete and belongs
: to a Caucasoid male.
: By Louis Beam
: Originally published in the SPOTLIGHT,
: 10/13/1997)
<snip of article by well known Klu Klux Kook Bean>
You and your fellow clueless Nazis shouldn't get all excited by the
finding of remains with Caucasian characteristics from ten thousand years
ago. After all, you guys hate large numbers of Caucasian peoples and
consider them not to be "white." It is unlikely that the remains that
have been found were of people that you would recognise as having kinship
to the Anglo Saxon peoples of Europe. After all this was over 9,000
years ago. Indeed, I suspect those in your movement with shall we say
less than perfect control over their urges would want to beat the crap
out of such a person should they be magically brought to our era.
tim gueguen 101867
NSWPP
RESOURCE SHEET ON RUBY RIDGE SIEGE
For further information contact:
Judge David Slater direct dial number: 217-824-4810 (He is the judge
who signed the psychiatric commitment order-- without Shirley
Allen being present at her own hearing.)
Christian County Clerk: 217-824-4966 (Judge Slater works in this
office)
Christian County Sheriff Richard Mahan's office: 217-824-4961
(Initiated the tear gas assault)
Illinois State Police, District 9, Springfield, Media Spokesman Mark
McDonald: 217-786-7109 (changes stories continually)
EmergencyNet Fire/Police/EMS Intelligence: 24 Hour News, Information,
Analysis and Coverage of Disasters and Major Emergency
Events (interesting web page most people don't know exists)
Official State of Illinois Web Page (Illinois Governor Jim Edgar, etc.)
Illinois Human Rights Commission
St. John's Hospital, Springfield: 217-544-6464 (The hospital officials
were attempting to take Mrs. Allen to)
Christian County Senior Citizens Center: 217-824-4263
Office of Mental Health, Dr. Steiner, Associate Director: 217-782-7555
NEWS MEDIA OUTLETS CARRYING STORIES ON ROBY SIEGE:
State Journal-Register Current Issue (www.sj-r.com) 217-788-1518
State Journal-Register SPECIAL ROBY STAND-OFF EXHAUSTIVE ARCHIVE OF
ARTICLES
217-788-1518
Saint Louis Post-Dispatch (www.stlnet.com) 314-340-8000 (Sept. 26, 1997
article on Roby Ridge)
Chicago Sun-Times (www.chicago-news.com) 312-321-3000 (Sept. 27, 1997
article on Roby Ridge)
WICS TV-20 Springfield (www.wics.com) has covered the story.
217-753-5656
Early film footage of the stand-off may be available from CBS Affiliate
WCIA
Television in Springfield, Illinois at: 217-782-2216.
Americans for Responsible Media: 616-665-7168 (Media watchdog group
with monitors on the scene in Roby, Illinois)
WMAY Radio The Home of Jack "One Eyed Jack" Jackson (The
man who first aired the Roby story) 217-629-7970
(http://www.wmay.com)
Jim Ray
Uncle Sam has the gun. Look out!
NSWPP wrote:
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personal: http://www.WhirledPeas.com/jim
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
Jed Martin (jedm...@plinet.com) wrote:
: "but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ABOMINABLE, and
: MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and SORCERERS, and IDOLATERS, and all
: LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
: brimstone, which is the second death." rev 21:8
Sounds like a good fate for the Nazis and their fanboys.
tim gueguen 101867
Omri Schwarz
C. Forrest wrote:
> Daniel Keren wrote:
> > "Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
> > When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail
> > of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over
> > the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I
> > not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior
> > race that multiplies like vermin?"
> >
> > - The crazed animal Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Joachim Fest's
> > "Hitler", p. 679.
> I wonder if the Jew, Joachim Fest, can be objective about the savior of
> the German people. It would better serve your cause of disinformation by
> quoting a shabbos goy like Alan Bullock, and his "work" entitled
> "Hitler."
Are you denying Hitler said it?
He was sending German youth to be cannon fodder.
He was engaged in killing "nonAryans."
Why would he not say it?
--
Omri "Jackal" "Onmy" "Hey You" Schwarz
From a brochure of a car rental firm in Tokyo:
When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn.
Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles
your passage then tootle him with vigor.
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
C. Forrest (eri...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Daniel Keren wrote:
: >
: > "Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
: > When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail
: > of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over
: > the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I
: > not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior
: > race that multiplies like vermin?"
: >
: > - The crazed animal Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Joachim Fest's
: > "Hitler", p. 679.
: I wonder if the Jew, Joachim Fest, can be objective about the savior of
: the German people. It would better serve your cause of disinformation by
: quoting a shabbos goy like Alan Bullock, and his "work" entitled
: "Hitler."
"Saviour of the German people?" You must be in major need of a cornea
transplant to cure your blindness. The result of Hitler's foolish and
evil policies was the death of millions of German citizens, the division
of Germany for over 40 years, and the subjegation of millions of Germans
under the Communist government of East Germany.
tim gueguen 101867
Michael Ives
Reposted from 10-17-97 (did not appear in DejaNews)
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <344721...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <344331...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
> > > > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz
> at its
> > > > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
> > > > > "miracles."
> > > >
> > > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
> > > > supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
> > >
> > > No miracles needed. Cremation is a well-proven and practiced technique for
> > > corpse disposal.
> >
> > But no one has argued whether or not corpses can be cremated.
>
> Yet Mr. Ives is "hard-pressed to see how the Nazis" cremated their victims.
Since I pointed his error out to Van Alstine, it's clear that he's
pretending here. I said it three times. No one's talking about
cremation, we're talking about how traces of mass murder can be made to
vanish.
>
> How droll.
>
> > Does Van Alstine have trouble reading...
>
> Not in the least.
In that case Van Alstine is simply dishonest. The point was made
clearly several times. We're discussing how evidence can be made to
vanish. I repeat: No one, myself included, ever contested that bodies
can be cremated.
>
> ...or is he trying to evade the point?
>
> _What_ point? That Mr. Ives's misguided belief that his appeal to personal
> credulity need be taken seriously? It doesn't. It's Mr. Ives's personal
> problem if he is doumbfounded by the Nazis disposing of their victims by
> incinerating them. I suggest he deal with it and stop projecting his
> personal problems onto others.
>
> > > That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
> > > personal problem.
> >
> > A personal slur from Van Alstine is 1) no surprise and 2) another
> > evasion, which is 3) also no surprise.
>
> Did not Mr. Ives claim he was "hard-pressed" in understanding how the
> Nazis cremated their victims?
Still he persists. Is anyone fooled by this transparent charade?
Stand up and say "I".
>
> dumbfound (dum'found, dum found) vt. to make speechless by shocking,
> amaze, astonish - SYN. puzzle.
>
> Sounds like Mr. Ive's is dumbfounded to me!
>
> BTW, a personal slur would be more along the lines of saying something
> like: "Mr. Ives is an ignorant slut of a Nazi fuckhead who loves bending
> over and taking it in the ass from his Nazi buddies."
Van Alstine clearly lacks both integrity and decency. This demonstrates
three things clearly: 1. How he gained his reputation in this
conference. 2. Why he isn't equipped to contest points with me or with
any responsible interlocutor and 3. Why he now joins Herman
(grea...@mindspring.com) in my kill-file. They belong together.
--
Favorite Quotes From the Nizkorites
------------------------------------------------
(In Memory of Jamie McCarthy R.I.P.)
>"Couse someone please parse this crap? Why can't any of these
> White Power Rangers write decent English?"
--Allan Matthews
>"If the Jews really controlled everything, like you little slimeballs
> say, they would have surely offed you bunch of pathetic shits by now."
--Gord McFee
>"I'll let you know when I am ready to overthrow the US government."
--John Morris, self-proclaimed "erstwhile supporter of the
Amnesty International campaign against torture".
Favorite Quotes From Others
----------------------------------------
>"I would like to state unequivocally that there are good and bad people
> of every ethnic persuasion."
--Michael Ives
--
Favorite Quotes From the Nizkorites
------------------------------------------------
(In Memory of Jamie McCarthy R.I.P.)
>"Couse someone please parse this crap? Why can't any of these
> White Power Rangers write decent English?"
--Allan Matthews
>"If the Jews really controlled everything, like you little slimeballs
> say, they would have surely offed you bunch of pathetic shits by now."
--Gord McFee
>"I'll let you know when I am ready to overthrow the US government."
--John Morris, self-proclaimed "erstwhile supporter of the
Amnesty International campaign against torture".
Favorite Quotes From Others
----------------------------------------
>"I would like to state unequivocally that there are good and bad people
> of every ethnic persuasion."
--Michael Ives
Dranco Trabliskishov
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
This is nothing. The Allies murdered 300,000 innocent civilians in Dresden with fire bombing atrocities a few months later. How do you stack up 48 corpses to that? What an idiot.
>
>
> Mark
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line seperating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--bit right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
>
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Lest We Forget
The German Holocaust: over 2 million German POWs
murdered by the Jews. The Russian Holocaust: over 30
million Russians slaughter by the Zionists/Bolsheviks.
The Holocaust Hoax
THIS IS A CROSSFILE
Dr. Faurisson, as is his style, being the careful scholar and
meticulous researcher that he is, a man who is scrupulously
honest with friend and foe alike, will tell you what is known
so far. The chart above was compiled in December 1995 in
response to an ad placed by the Jewish Anti-Defamation
League in the New York Times. This ad asked: What
happened to the missing Jews? That is precisely what
Revisionists ask - a question for which they have been
hounded, beaten, spat at, vilified, charged, tried and jailed
and even killed. Why is it "criminal" to want to know why
the numbers are shrinking and shrinking - like a balloon that
has been pricked? Is it not good news, rather than bad news,
that millions didn't die at Auschwitz? Is that not reason to
rejoice? Will we ever really know what happened and how
many victims there were? Not if we cannot ask questions!
After an intensive write-in campaign initiated by the Zündel
Team and directed to Mr. Gorbachev a few years ago, the
Soviets finally released the remaining Death Books of
Auschwitz, which they had captured in 1945. Surprise!
Guess what? The so-called "four million", revised to "1.5
million," have shrunk to 74,000 proven deaths! All
meticulously recorded - name, date, nationality, religion,
time, reason and cause of death! German researcher Tjudar
Rudolf, who is fluent in German, English, French, Yiddish
and Polish and understands most slavic names and
languages, has painstakingly gone over all these
Soviet/Auschwitz death register books and totaled the
number of Jewish deaths according to name and religion -
even allowing for slavicized names. The end result? Slightly
over 30,000 Jewish dead in Auschwitz. That is what
"Holocaust" Revisionism has achieved! From all we know
as of today, according to this man's educated analysis, some
30,000 Jews thus lost their lives, mainly to diseases and
overcrowding, in Auschwitz and surrounding work camps
affiliated with the main Auschwitz complex. That is a tragic
enough number of people. Why the need to exaggerate? To
justify what? A vicious hate campaign for half a century
against a former enemy? A regime which entered the pages
of history some 50 years ago? Is that what this is all about?
Or is it not rather to keep the Germans in perpetual mental,
political, economic and financial bondage and to make them
susceptible to ever new, thinly disguised blackmail schemes
which have extorted over 100 Billion DM out of them for
the Holocaust Lobbyists and the members of their tribe,
institutions and organizations - not to forget the State of
Israel? Which did not even exist at the time of the alleged
crimes that were supposed to have been committed by the
Nazis? The ethnic abuse of Germans and Germany must
stop. The Holocaust is not, and never has been, about this
touted "Jewish victimhood." It is about extortion. Power
politics. And money and revenge and hate! Lest We Forget
The German Holocaust: over 2 million German POWs
murdered by the Jews! The Russian Holocaust: over 30
million people slaughtered by the Zionists/Bolsheviks! Stop
the International Zionist Conspiracy: boycott Jews!
The Christian Holocaust
THIS IS A CROSSFILE
From: pete...@usa.net (NO European Genocide)
In the Soviet Union, the communist party, run mostly for
the benefit of its Jewish founders who made up
approximately 90% of the founding fathers and
administrators of the Soviet Union, hid behind their leftist
doctrine which had been designed to undermine Christianity
in the name of materialism and social science. These
administrators of the Soviet Union who were detailed in
reports to the U.S. State Department from Russia in 1919
were instrumental in instructing their cohorts to send out
Jewish commissars like Kaganovitch and Beria to kill
approximately 100 million White European Christians
whom they called "reactionary bourgeoisie" for correctness
in 1920-1940. What they meant by "bourgeoisie" were
Russia's Christians. In addition to killing the Christian
peasants under the materialist aegis of communism, the
churches and parochial schools were confiscated or burned
as were their Christian towns; the priests were either
murdered or sent to prisons, and all vestiges of Christianity
were as nearly as possible expunged. Once the Christians in
an entire area were killed, the Jews brought in new
non-Christians, atheists, who were relocated there to
re-establish the economic exploitation of the emptied lands
in agricultural communes similar to the kibbutzim programs
in Israel which were begun at the same time. At this point in
history, the Jews and Zionists in power declared
anti-Semitism to be a capital crime, because the Christians
who were being killed by these communist Jews in Russia
had developed groups to protect themselves and were
critical of the Jewish excesses in the matter of their own
genocide with whom they naturally refused to cooperate
without fighting for their very lives.
The accusation of anti-Semitism in Russia became a
mandatory death sentence to any Christian fighting against
the Jewish oppression of Christianity in the Soviet Union,
especially if these Christians even identified the names of the
many thousands of Jews in control of their anti-Christian
extermination policy. The Jewish-led anti-Christian
genocide in Russia was basically a totally Jewish-run and
definitely anti-Christian Affair using communism and
anti-reactionary programs as the ideological communist
"cover" for wiping out Christianity.
The Jews basically ran the Russian government and hid
behind its skirts as they carried out their murders across the
Russian Continent. It was never reported in the United
States, because the media was controlled mostly by Jewish
owners who were uninterested in exposing Americans to an
atrocity by Jews. Only Henry Ford, who own his own
newspaper, got the word out, and he was severely criticized
as being anti-Semitic for his honesty in exposing this matter
of Christian genocide by the Jews.
In China, more than 80 million oriental peasants were killed
by the Chinese Communist Party which learned from the
Russians how to run a revolution. Especially sought out for
instant extermination during The Big March and beyond
were those peasants who were Christians, Buddhists, or
Islamics and anyone else associated with a religion or
philosophy or God concept who were non-materialistic in
thought. Like Russian Liberals, the Chinese communists did
not want "other leaders" and "other systems" teaching their
people. Religion in China, as in Russia, was called the
"opiate of the people" and, as in Russia, this was used to
justify the mass murder of priests, devotees, and other
adherents of non-communist religions. Today in China,
Christians are still being mistreated, and many churches are
inundating the west coast of the United States with Chinese
Christian refugees desperate to escape the on-going
anti-Christian purges.
The great international conspiracies of communism,
socialism, liberalism, Masonry, and Zionism were always
interconnected and have created all of our world wars, cold
wars, economic depressions, and divisive genocidal conduct
throughout the world, mainly because their conspirators
who have created these agencies of death carried an
anti-Christian agenda which was hidden behind the false
curtain of secular materialist intellectuality. Those believing
there is no international conspiracy going back more than
one hundred years cannot explain the existence of the State
of Israel without studying the conspiracies stemming from
the Zionist World Congress in the 1800's whose final fruit is
Israel itself as well as the two world wars, communism, the
secret Balfour Declaration under which Zionists promised
Britain they would bring the United States into the First
World War using their blackmail of President Wilson over
his sexual liaisons at Princeton (a la Benjamin Freedman's
books), the 3-day communist takeover in Germany in 1919
under Rosa Luxembourg whose Jewish-Communist
Conspiracy resulted in the abdication of the Kaiser who
crossed into Denmark for safety, the collapse of the German
front due to Jewish-inspired leftist armaments production
strikes in Germany in the middle of the war, the later
Christian genocide of 1920-1940 by the Zionists in Russia,
the Jewish-inspired world blockade of Germany in 1933
(see Freedman), and the Jewish-Zionist German diplomatic
assassination in Poland in 1937 which triggered Krystal
Nacht and the persecution of Jews by the nearly starved
Germans. Most of the adherents had little idea they were
being manipulated by persons who, in the background, were
orchestrating genocide against members of their own
societies, and that type of hidden agenda and hidden
genocide is a major point in the correct administration of
worldwide conspiracies.
These conspiracies are also being carried out in America
and Europe today where immigration is supported in order
to eliminate as many Christian Europeans as possible from
the world stage. In reality, these outcomes were planned
more than one hundred years ago and outlined in little read
but always available Jewish, Masonic, and communist
publications composed mostly by Zionist anti-Christian
conspirators bent on genocidal acts and world domination
by moneyed interests.
References
The Protocols of Zion
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/protocol.html
(The anti-Christian Jewish Conspirators speak. Very much
like The Prince in aspect, and, although authorship has
always been disputed, this does not matter. Most will agree
that the methods contained therein are evidently in very
wide use today.)
The Works of Benjamin Freedman
http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/jews.html
Benjamin Freedman was a One-Time Jewish Zionist
Conspirator who felt guilty and told all. Freedman who was
a Jewish conspirator turned patriot spilled the beans on
Zionism in the 1940's and 1950's, spending millions in telling
the conspirators' stories including the Wilson and Roosevelt
and NYC-Moscow-Zionism connections to the American
public.
The International Jew by Henry Ford
http://www.pohlynx.com/~politics/antisemi/internat_jew.ht
ml
Much maligned, but an excellent starting point bringing out
many facts about the Jewish connection to the stock
markets, international banking, the Semitic-NYC-Moscow
Express, the liberalization of America, and other incendiary
historical facts which you will never see in the New York
Times. When you realize that Ford owned his own
newspaper and the damage done to Zionist conspiracies by
that paper, you will understand the deep Jewish need to
control all media.
Assembled by George V. Cousins for Internet
WARNING: Please be advised that the usual suspect history
books, Nizkor, and the newly constructed USHMM (United
States Holocaust Memorial Museum) contain mostly the
old, discredited testimonies prepared by the NKVD, a
Soviet Jewish Propaganda and Executionist Organization
which was in charge of the Nuremberg Trial. The NKVD
was responsible for the murder of the 25,000 Polish Officers
at Katyn Forest. At the Nuremberg Trial, the NKVD
presented false testimony from false witnesses who claimed
to have seen the Germans in Katyn lining up the Polish
Officers and executing them day-by-day. This was a
prefabrication. Since the NKVD ran the intestigations and
prosecution of the Nuremberg Trial and presented false
evidence as well as discredited testimony which is totally
inadmissable in court because it was taken under extensive
torture sessions in order to force people to sign false
documents, nothing presented at that Trial is trustworthy.
All of it must be discarded as false and a Stalinist attempt to
paint the Germans as genocidal nation, when, in fact, it was
the Soviet Jewish State that killed nearly 100 million
Christians, 1920-1940. Our Jewish controlled newspapers
will never print that fact. If you wish to find honest studies
of the holocaust--all of it backed up by solid, indisputable
facts--in easy-to-find-formats including the most recent
discoveries of historians and scientists who have spent a
lifetime studying this period of world war two, stay clear of
Nizkor. Instead, visit a compendium of factual information
prepared by experts at
THE CODOH PROJECT
http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
Goy Boy <g...@goyimcity.com>
Jay Deering
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> In article <3451C3...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
>
> > Reposted from 10-17-97 (did not appear in DejaNews)
> >
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <344721...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <344331...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass
> disposal
> > > > > > > would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz
> > > at its
> > > > > > > peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis
> performed any
> > > > > > > "miracles."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
> > > > > > performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions
> who were
> > > > > > supposedly gassed and/or burned to death.
> > > > >
> > > > > No miracles needed. Cremation is a well-proven and practiced
> technique for
> > > > > corpse disposal.
> > > >
> > > > But no one has argued whether or not corpses can be cremated.
> > >
> > > Yet Mr. Ives is "hard-pressed to see how the Nazis" cremated their victims.
> >
> > Since I pointed his error out to Van Alstine, it's clear that he's
> > pretending here.
>
>
> I have explained several times how the incinerated remains of the vicitms
> at Auschwitz were "made to vanish." Including in direct response to Mr.
> Ives's posts! To whit:
>
> Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
> From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
> Date: 1997/10/20
> Message-ID: <mvanalst-201...@rbi211.rbi.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>
> <begin post quote>
>
>
> ** A former prisoner and member of the Special Squad, Szlama Dragon,
> states during the H"oss Trial that the ashes of the burned corpses are
> taken from the pits near the crematoriums, ground fine in special mortars,
> and taken to the Sola River (APMO, Dpr.-ZO/28a, p. 127).
>
I believe this is one of my favorite Holocaust Deceptions. It is quite worthy of a slimey Soviet NKVD Jew seeking a way out of the "no bodies dilemma." Here we see the invention of "special mortars" or as said above
" the ashes of the burned corpses are
taken from the pits near the crematoriums, ground fine in special mortars,
and taken to the Sola River."
Now, isn't that great? The Germans are so clever. They have gone to the trouble of creating special mortars from grinding to power the 7 lbs times 4,000,000 bodies claimed by the Soviets to have been gassed in the
non-gas-chambers of Auschwitz. Let's see. This represents 28,000,000 lbs of bone and ash or 14,000 tons! How much grist in the grinding and polishing wheel do you suppose it would take to powder that many bones,
teeth and ashes? Each human being has 32 teeth and 202 bones. So the 28,000,000 corpses have 6.5 billion teeth and bones, not to mention the other remains. Just how much time would it take a huge stone wheel to
grind 6.5 billion teeth and bones?
Tell you what. Take out a ham bone and try to file it down with a metal file. Tell me how long it takes to get rid of that one bone.
And, I love the part about the River. I can just imagine the people downstream with the 6.5 billion powdered bones floating unnoticed past their farms. That's a good one, too. Great imagination explaining that one.
> Indeed. For the simple reason that the corpses of the some 100,000 victims
> who were buried in 1941-42 were exhumed and incinerated, there remains
> being cast in the nearby rivers so that no one would later be able to
> determine (from the remains) exactly how many people the Nazis killed at
> Auschwitz. This policy was then continued for the duration of the mass
> killing operations at Auschwitz. Thus, as the remains of the victims were
> incinerated and cast in the the nearby rivers etc., there are no mass
> graves (with the dead in them) at Auschwitz.
How convenient. However, what about the 6.5 billion bones.
Have you finished grinding the single ham bone yet? No?
Bet you haven't even tried to see how long that takes you to accomplish.
We are talking severe production problems in reaching this goal.
> All that remains are the sites of the incineration ditches etc. in which
> only traces of incinerated human remains have been found. Evidently this
> simple concept is much too difficult for "Revisionist scholars" to
> understand.
In other words, Mark, your own words demonstrate that what you are presenting here is simply proof that no proof exists that the Holocaust Lie was ever anything but the Victors enforcing their will on the
vanquished, demonizing them to the world to justify their cruel actions against the Germans, and nothing else whatever.
You just lost your case. Everytime you post, you lose. Give it up. It's over. The Big Lie has been uncovered. Time for something new.
> Mark
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line seperating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but right through every human heart--and all human hearts."
Mark Van Alstine
Rather, since Mr. Ive's has had his nose rubbed in his own mistakes,
errors, and ignorance, he can do nothing except concot silly accusations
based in his fanatasy world.
> ...I said it three times. No one's talking about
> cremation....
Yet Mr. Ive's wrote:
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: Michael Ives <mi...@concentric.net>
Date: 1997/10/14
Message-ID: <344331...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups:
triangle.politics,alt.nswpp,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.white-power,alt.nationalism.white
<begin quote>
I am in agreement here, for I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge has
stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a certain
number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above a classic
"straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
<end quote>
Hmmm. "Vaporizing the remains," "burned to death," "incinerate a certain
number of people," "all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc." Sure sounds
like Mr. Ives _was_ "talking about cremation!"
> ...we're talking about how traces of mass murder can be made to
> vanish.
Indeed. Evidently Mr. Ives's is also "hard-pressed" to follow a thread!
I have explained several times how the incinerated remains of the vicitms
at Auschwitz were "made to vanish." Including in direct response to Mr.
Ives's posts! To whit:
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/20
Message-ID: <mvanalst-201...@rbi211.rbi.com>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
<begin post quote>
<begin quote>
June 7 [1944]
The management of the crematoriums in Auschwitz II orders four sieves from
the DAW for sifting through human ashes. The sieves are to be equipped
with an iron frame. The openings of the sieve screens are to be 2/5 inch
in size.**
[...]
** A former prisoner and member of the Special Squad, Szlama Dragon,
states during the H"oss Trial that the ashes of the burned corpses are
taken from the pits near the crematoriums, ground fine in special mortars,
and taken to the Sola River (APMO, Dpr.-ZO/28a, p. 127).
<end quote>
Source: Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle_, p. 642. Ref: APMO, IZ-13/89, Various
Documents of the Third Reich, p. 205, Invoice Copy for Bookkeeping
(origional in BA Koblenz).
<end post quote>
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/17
Message-ID: <mvanalst-171...@rbi211.rbi.com>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
<begin quote>
Indeed. For the simple reason that the corpses of the some 100,000 victims
who were buried in 1941-42 were exhumed and incinerated, there remains
being cast in the nearby rivers so that no one would later be able to
determine (from the remains) exactly how many people the Nazis killed at
Auschwitz. This policy was then continued for the duration of the mass
killing operations at Auschwitz. Thus, as the remains of the victims were
incinerated and cast in the the nearby rivers etc., there are no mass
graves (with the dead in them) at Auschwitz.
All that remains are the sites of the incineration ditches etc. in which
only traces of incinerated human remains have been found. Evidently this
simple concept is much too difficult for "Revisionist scholars" to
understand.
<end quote>
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/15
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<begin post quote>
In article <344331...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
[...]
> but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
> all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air.
Mr. Ives must been comatose when this has been discussed ad nauseum in
the group! No matter. Once again, for Mr. Ives's edification:
At Auschwitz for example:
<begin quote>
During the period when the fires were kept continously burning without a
break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed and
crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
same way.
<end quote>
Source: Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.45.
Not all traces of the remains of the victims at Auschwitz, however,
"vanished into thin air."
<begin quote>
In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was
commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out
geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of
incineration pits and pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to
3 m deep. Traces of human ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites.
Documentation of all the holes and the diagrams of their distribution are
preserved in the Conservation Department of the Museum.
<end quote>
Source: Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.179.
<end post quote>
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/15
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<begin post quote>
In article <344480...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
[...]
> Unfortunately, as you well know, nowhere near enough ashes and bone
> fragments have been "discovered" to support your favorite
> "approximation" of 11 or 12 million....
Taking Auschwitz, where approximately 1.1 million people died, as an
example where "nowhere near enough ashes and bone fragments" have been
discovered; the explination is rather straightforward: The incinerated
remains of the victims were (mostly) dumped into the Sola and Vistula
Rivers. Given then that these remains cannot be recovered does that mean
that some 1.1 million _didn't_ die at Auschwitz? That the Nazis _didn't_
carry out a pogrom as mass murder there? Of course not! It simly means
that the remains of the victims of Nazi mass murder were dumped in the
Sola and Vistula Rivers and swept away.
Moreover, "support" for an Auschwitz death toll of 1.1 millin victims does
not (and never did) rely on finding "enough ashes and bone fragments."
Such "qualifications" are merely a classic denier strawman used to
question the Auschwitz death toll -and that Nazi mass murder was carried
out at Auschwitz.
Likewise for Mr. Ives's "questioning" the Holocaust death toll. Estimates
for the death toll in the Holocaust does not (and never did) rely on
finding "enough ashes and bone fragments." That Mr. Ives's suggest it does
is nothing more than a fascile denier strawman of Mr. Ives's frantic
construction to "question" that the Holocaust took place.
<end post quote>
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/10
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<begin post quote>
In article <343dccbb...@news.v-wave.com>,
check.the...@nospam.ualberta.edu wrote:
> In <61kbp8$6...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, on 10 Oct 1997 04:43:20 GMT,
> ns...@ix.netcom.com (NSWPP) wrote:
>
> >DEAD COWS VERSUS DEAD JEWS
>
> >From an article entitled "Mad About BSE" in the left-leaning
> >July-August issue of Nutrition Action Health Letter:
>
> >"To halt the spread of mad cow disease, the British government has
> >destroyed more than a million animals. Hundreds of thousands of frozen
> >cow carcasses are piled up in storage facilities. Mountains of cow
> >flakes---what's left after grinding and boiling these carcasses---will
> >take more than a decade to burn."
>
> >Hmmm. Let's see. One cow weighs as much as, oh, say six to ten average
> >adult humans.
More like eight to ten "standard reference" humans per mature cow. See:
http://www.human.cornell.edu/DNS/ChinaProject/Text2.HTML
http://www.ccp.com/~angus/journal/97_04apr/cowsize.htm
> [snip - the comparison between incinerating 1 million BSE-infected
> cows and six million Jews]
In regard to incinerating "1 million BSE-infected cows," one proposed
number is actually up to 4.5 million (including 600,000 newborn calves).
The annual number is to be 750,000 at a rate of 15,000 per week burned in
"high-temperature ovens." Excluding the newborn calves, that would be the
rough equivalent to between 32 million and 40 million "standard reference"
humans. On a weekly basis that would be roughly between 120,000 and
150,000 "standard reference" humans.
See:
http://www.sltrib.com/96/APR/02/twr/03321331.htm
http://mad-cow.org/~tom/price_prop.html#Huge
At Auschwitz, during Aktion Ho"ss, typically 9,000 to 12,000 victims were
incinerated per day. That would be bewteen 63,000 and 105,000 victims (a
great many of which were children) per week under non-stop conditions. It
should also be noted that about half of these victims were incinerated in
open-air trenches.
> >Did the "Nazis" indeed perform a miracle, or did their alleged
> >atrocities never take place?
Considering that the proposed "mad cow" slaughter and carcass disposal
would exceed the body-mass of the victims incinerated at Auschwitz at its
peak operation, one is hard pressed to see how the Nazis performed any
"miracles." Rather, it simply confirms that such Nazi atrocities were
quite achievable from a technical standpoint.
> Or maybe did the Nazis' victims not have prions in their brain stems
> and thus not need to be burnt as thoroughly?
In regard to the incineration of the brain, it should be noted that
according to Dr. Evans, in his _The Chemistry of Death_, that "The brain
is specially resistant to complete combustion...." (cf. Iserson, _Death to
Dust_, p.262.)
See also:
http://www.iah.bbsrc.ac.uk/institut/public/reports/1995/3wtse.shtml#18
http://www.nmia.com/~mdibble/prion.html
> And, by the way, incineration technology has not advanced since the
> war...
In general this is not quite true. Modern crematoria are generally fueled
by natural gas (which allows for rapid heating) and are equipped with
exhaust scrubbers and afterburners to prevent air pollution. The
crematoria at Auschwitz were fuled by coke (thus requiring a longer
pre-heat time) and did not have scrubbers and afterburners. (cf. Iserson,
_Death to Dust_, p.262; Pressac, _Technique_,
pp.108-111,137,284-285,288,314,329.)
> ...the maximum temperature possible for the proposed cow
> incinerators is identical to the specs on the Auschwitz crematoria
> because firebrick can only be heated so hot.
In specific regard to the operating temperatures and refractory material,
however, this _is_ true. The initial operating temperatures for modern
crematoria furnaces are aproximately between 1,100°F and 1,300°F. During
cremation the retort temperature can rise to 1,700°F and in some furnaces
between 2,000°F and 2,500°F. In comparison, according to Tops's operating
instructions, the operating temperature for the coke-fired Topf ovens used
at Auschwitz was between 1,472°F (initially) and 2,012°F (during
incineration). (cf. Iserson, _Death to Dust_, p.262; Pressac, _Technique_,
p.136.)
> As Harold Covington himself has pointed out, Holocaust denial is meant
> to whitewash Nazism in order to make it into a respectable political
> alternative.
Indeed. A point that is illustrated, for example, by "NSWPP's" specious
"comparison" between the disposing of BSE-infected cows via incineration
and the incineration of the victims of Nazi mass murder at Auschwitz.
<begin post quote>
> > How droll.
> >
> > > Does Van Alstine have trouble reading...
> >
> > Not in the least.
>
> In that case Van Alstine is simply dishonest.
Not in the least. Rather it is Mr. Ives's, after being soundly trounced
for his denier blather, who now resorts to dishonesty in an attempt to
escape his denier foolishness!
> The point was made clearly several times.
Uh huh. Clear as mud. Mr. Ives's seems to want to have his cake and eat it to.
For example, he wrote: "...I am hard-pressed to see how the Nazis
performed the miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were
supposedly gassed and/or burned to death. No one to my knowledge has
stated that it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a certain
number of people in the abstract (which fact renders the above a classic
"straw man" argument), but we're still awaiting the explanation of how
all of the ashes, bone fragments, etc., vanished into thin air."
Though he is "hard-pressed" to see how "millions who were
supposedly gassed and/or burned to death" were cremated, he has no
"knowledge" that "it's physically impossible to gas or incinerate a
certain
number of people in the abstract." It seems that Mr. Ives's is both
"hard-pressed" to see how the victims of Nazi mass murder were
"vaporized," concedes that he has no knowledge that they _couldn't_ be
incinerated!
One can only wonder if Mr. Ives think that such self-serving caveats
excuse his intellectual dishonesty. What an odd duck Mr. Ives is!
> We're discussing how evidence can be made to vanish.
And Mr. Ivess himself has predicated this to the issue of incinerating the
victims by claiming he is "hard-pressed to see how the Nazis performed the
miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were supposedly
gassed and/or burned to death." An odd duck indeed!
> I repeat: No one, myself included, ever contested that bodies
> can be cremated.
Oh? Evidently only when it is "in the abstract." When it concerns Nazi
actually doing so, he is "hard-pressed to see how the Nazis performed the
miracle of vaporizing the remains of the millions who were supposedly
gassed and/or burned to death."
A _very_ odd duck indeed!
Be that as it may, I specifcally responded to Mr. Ive's thus:
<begin quote>
Taking Auschwitz, where approximately 1.1 million people died, as an
example where "nowhere near enough ashes and bone fragments" have been
discovered; the explination is rather straightforward: The incinerated
remains of the victims were (mostly) dumped into the Sola and Vistula
Rivers. Given then that these remains cannot be recovered does that mean
that some 1.1 million _didn't_ die at Auschwitz? That the Nazis _didn't_
carry out a pogrom as mass murder there? Of course not! It simly means
that the remains of the victims of Nazi mass murder were dumped in the
Sola and Vistula Rivers and swept away.
<end quote>
That is how, at Auschwitz for example, the incinerated ashes of victims
"vanished." Their remains were dumped intot the Sola and Vistula Rivers
and swept away.
I also responded:
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
From: mvan...@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Date: 1997/10/17
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<begin quote>
In article <344721...@concentric.net>, mi...@concentric.net wrote:
[..]
> ...In this thread we were trying to discover how all of the ashes vanished.
Mr. Ives's is trying to "discover?" LOL. Pardon my incredulity, but
perhaps Mr. Ives's should actually read up on Aktion 1005 before
concluding that he is "hard-pressed" on the issues at hand? Then there is
also Ho"ss's memoirs, the testimonies of the eyewitnesses etc etc. All
this makes it pretty clear how the "ashes vanished."
<end quote>
Yet all Mr. Ives seems willing to do is whine. No suprises there!
> > ...or is he trying to evade the point?
> >
> > _What_ point? That Mr. Ives's misguided belief that his appeal to personal
> > credulity need be taken seriously? It doesn't. It's Mr. Ives's personal
> > problem if he is doumbfounded by the Nazis disposing of their victims by
> > incinerating them. I suggest he deal with it and stop projecting his
> > personal problems onto others.
> >
> > > > That Mr. Ives appears dumbfounded by this is _his_
> > > > personal problem.
> > >
> > > A personal slur from Van Alstine is 1) no surprise and 2) another
> > > evasion, which is 3) also no surprise.
> >
> > Did not Mr. Ives claim he was "hard-pressed" in understanding how the
> > Nazis cremated their victims?
>
> Still he persists. Is anyone fooled by this transparent charade?
No one is fooled by Mr. Ives's petty charade to evade respnsibility for
his foolish tongue.
> Stand up and say "I".
>
> > dumbfound (dum'found, dum found) vt. to make speechless by shocking,
> > amaze, astonish - SYN. puzzle.
> >
> > Sounds like Mr. Ive's is dumbfounded to me!
> >
> > BTW, a personal slur would be more along the lines of saying something
> > like: "Mr. Ives is an ignorant slut of a Nazi fuckhead who loves bending
> > over and taking it in the ass from his Nazi buddies."
>
> Van Alstine clearly lacks both integrity and decency.
Not in the least. Mr. Ives', on the other hand, given his absurd and petty
charades, obvioulsy has none.
> This demonstrates three things clearly: 1. How he gained his reputation in
> this conference.
By concisely and accurately presenting the historical record and watching
deniers like Mr. Ives run away from it whining like wipped dogs.
> 2. Why he isn't equipped to contest points with me or with
> any responsible interlocutor....
Because there's no "contest." Mr. Ives has no wits to contest _with_!
> ....and 3. Why he now joins Herman
> (grea...@mindspring.com) in my kill-file. They belong together.
IOW, Mr. Ives can't deal with my showing him for what he is: an ignorant
and pathetic denier twit! ROTFLMAO!
[snip]