And so it goes - Avidor at work again

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Jerry Schneider

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:05:57 PM12/31/09
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Mike C

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:12:30 AM1/1/10
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Jerry,

This Treehugger piece was from a while back - March 2008. Back when
this first came out, David Gow and I took Lloyd Alter to task for
quoting Avidor verbatim, and since that time Alter's stance has been
much less extreme. His latest PRT post was only very mildly skeptical,
acknowledging PRT's progress and promise but expressing doubt about
its applicability to cities.

Mike


On Dec 31 2009, 7:05 pm, Jerry Schneider <j...@peak.org> wrote:
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Jack Slade

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Jan 1, 2010, 5:24:22 PM1/1/10
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I have always thought that Avodor was being paid by somebody to "prove" that PRT won't work, and now we know.
 
The very fact that he thinks Morgantown is PRT shows how little he actually knows, and that statements like "all PRT systems to date have been failures" shows that also. Here is a message from me to him:
 
Hey, Stupid, there have not been any PRT systems actually tried, so how can they be failures? The first is being tested now at Heathrow, and first reports indicate that it will be a success. Aren't you going to have a lot of Crow to eat when it begins to spread elsewhere? Who is going to pay you anything afterwards? Maybe you can get a job cleaning toilets somewhere.
 
Jack Slade

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Michael Weidler

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Has SkyTran made a new proposal for Seattle?


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From: Jerry Schneider <j...@peak.org>
Subject: [t-i] And so it goes - Avidor at work again
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Peter Muller

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Jan 2, 2010, 10:21:48 AM1/2/10
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It is very disappointing to me to see PRT proponents sinking to the
level that some opponents have sunk to. It would serve our purpose
much better if we developed some empathy for opponents, respected and
considered their points of view instead of calling their intelligence
and motives into question. The fact is that some people like Dr. Setty
have very legitimate concerns. They may be misinformed, drawing what
we think are the wrong conclusions and using tactics we disagree with,
but we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and respect their
motives. If you feel some have sunk so far that you can no longer do
this, please refrain from engaging them - it serves no purpose at all
except to further polarize everyone. Personally I will engage Setty
but not Avidor (who does not allow himself to be engaged anyway).

Peter

On Jan 1, 3:24 pm, Jack Slade <skytrek_...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I have always thought that Avodor was being paid by somebody to "prove" that PRT won't work, and now we know.
>  
> The very fact that he thinks Morgantown is PRT shows how little he actually knows, and that statements like "all PRT systems to date have been failures" shows that also. Here is a message from me to him:
>  
> Hey, Stupid, there have not been any PRT systems actually tried, so how can they be failures? The first is being tested now at Heathrow, and first reports indicate that it will be a success. Aren't you going to have a lot of Crow to eat when it begins to spread elsewhere? Who is going to pay you anything afterwards? Maybe you can get a job cleaning toilets somewhere.
>  
> Jack Slade
>
> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Jerry Schneider <j...@peak.org> wrote:
>
> From: Jerry Schneider <j...@peak.org>
> Subject: [t-i] And so it goes - Avidor at work again
> To: transport-...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:05 AM
>

> <http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...>Personal
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> Transit<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...>


> "a Cyberspace Techno-Dream"
> Treehugger
> 7.08 Personal Rapid Transit rears its head again all over the web in
> the form of a five-year old Sky Tran proposal for Seattle. Pod people
> have been rolling ...
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Jack Slade

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Jan 2, 2010, 4:11:03 PM1/2/10
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If a radio mouthpiece states things as a paid advertisment, that is his job, and people do understand that he is just doing it.
 
If he takes it upon himself to mouth lies and garbage, I am supposed to feel"empathy" for him.  He is the personification of what is wrong with news people on this Continent.  If I can goad him into the open, maybe we can get a chance to find out just how little he actually knows, even about the subjects that he favours.
 
Jack Slade



From: Peter Muller <pmu...@prtconsulting.com>
Subject: [t-i] Re: And so it goes - Avidor at work again
To: "transport-innovators" <transport-...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:21 PM

It is very disappointing to me to see PRT proponents sinking to the
level that some opponents have sunk to. It would serve our purpose
much better if we developed some empathy for opponents, respected and
considered their points of view instead of calling their intelligence
and motives into question. The fact is that some people like Dr. Setty
have very legitimate concerns. They may be misinformed, drawing what
we think are the wrong conclusions and using tactics we disagree with,
but we need to give them the benefit of the doubt and respect their
motives. If you feel some have sunk so far that you can no longer do
this, please refrain from engaging them - it serves no purpose at all
except to further polarize everyone. Personally I will engage Setty
but not Avidor (who does not allow himself to be engaged anyway).

Peter

On Jan 1, 3:24 pm, Jack Slade <skytrek_...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I have always thought that Avodor was being paid by somebody to "prove" that PRT won't work, and now we know.
>  
> The very fact that he thinks Morgantown is PRT shows how little he actually knows, and that statements like "all PRT systems to date have been failures" shows that also. Here is a message from me to him:
>  
> Hey, Stupid, there have not been any PRT systems actually tried, so how can they be failures? The first is being tested now at Heathrow, and first reports indicate that it will be a success. Aren't you going to have a lot of Crow to eat when it begins to spread elsewhere? Who is going to pay you anything afterwards? Maybe you can get a job cleaning toilets somewhere.
>  
> Jack Slade
>
> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Jerry Schneider <j...@peak.org> wrote:
>
> From: Jerry Schneider <j....@peak.org>
> Subject: [t-i] And so it goes - Avidor at work again
> To: transport-...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:05 AM
>
> <http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...>Personal
> Rapid
> Transit<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...>
> "a Cyberspace Techno-Dream"
> Treehugger
> 7.08 Personal Rapid Transit rears its head again all over the web in
> the form of a five-year old Sky Tran proposal for Seattle. Pod people
> have been rolling ...
>
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