Skyloop Rebuttal

[Michael Weidler]

Has anyone else read the Skyloop Rebuttal? It's available from Dr Jerry. I am sitting here reading it and getting very angry. Several of you on this list work for or have worked for the Taxi2000 folks or Skyloop. Why wasn't PB sued?

 

Judging from what I've been reading, PB should have been sued for malicious conduct or something similar. At the very least, they should have been shown to be incompetent in a court of law for all of the world to see. Is there a lawyer in the house?

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[Walter Brewer]

No. but have two in the family and,on other examples at least, they say it is very hard to overcome a "professional judgement" defense.

 

Walt Brewer

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From: Michael Weidler

To: transit-group

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:56 AM

Subject: [t-i] Skyloop Rebuttal

Has anyone else read the Skyloop Rebuttal? It's available from Dr Jerry. I am sitting here reading it and getting very angry. Several of you on this list work for or have worked for the Taxi2000 folks or Skyloop. Why wasn't PB sued?

 

Judging from what I've been reading, PB should have been sued for malicious conduct or something similar. At the very least, they should have been shown to be incompetent in a court of law for all of the world to see. Is there a lawyer in the house?

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[Jeral Poskey]

I had the same reaction.  Actually, someone attempted to raise issues with the professional ethics board.  However, the question is what it accomplishes in the long run.  That kind of reaction is likely to alienate the entire consulting industry, the ones we will eventually have to be friendly with.  When facing a stronger opponent, attacking them head-on against their strengths (size, reputation, and massive amounts of money for legal fees) is not usually the best way to do it.  Tempting, but not wise.

 

Jeral

-----Original Message-----
From: transport-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:transport-...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Weidler
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:57 AM
To: transit-group
Subject: [t-i] Skyloop Rebuttal

Has anyone else read the Skyloop Rebuttal? It's available from Dr Jerry. I am sitting here reading it and getting very angry. Several of you on this list work for or have worked for the Taxi2000 folks or Skyloop. Why wasn't PB sued?

 

Judging from what I've been reading, PB should have been sued for malicious conduct or something similar. At the very least, they should have been shown to be incompetent in a court of law for all of the world to see. Is there a lawyer in the house?

Worried about your Chinese manufactured Vitamin C?

Try Nutrilite^(r) Kids Natural Chewable C.

[Michael Weidler]

Let me get this straight...complaining about incompetent or malicious behavior to an ethics board would alienate the entire consulting industry? So what IS a reasonable course of action? Being nice and playing fair sure hasn't worked. It has been my experience that turning the other cheek simply gets the other cheek hit as well.

[Dennis Manning]

If there is enough outrage to pursue the issue then why not round up an attorney and get his/her take on what the consquences of taking action are likely to be.

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From: Michael Weidler

[Jeral Poskey]

Michael, I'm going to tie in my response in a general way to your observation last week or so to Dennis, "Well, you and several of the other guys on this list have spent 30+ years playing nice and gotten nowhere."

 

I very much disagree.  For 30 years, almost all the PRT advocates have done the opposite of play nice.  We have been proud of the fact that we're "proving the status quo wrong," "showing the ridiculousness of their arguments" and showing up at meetings talking about how great PRT is and what a waste technology X would be.  We haven't educated ourselves on the funding process they go through.  Very few advocates understand and can emphasize with the conflicting political environment most agencies operate in.  All in all, we haven't been very nice.  Oh, and I'd say that we've been guilty of our own level of ignorance, arrogance and sometimes even misrepresentation, albeit with the best goals in mind.

 

I used to think it was impossible to work with the status quo.  I applied the broad brush of "they're all ____."  But in reality there are a million different people (or at least a few hundred thousand) who all have unique personalities.  I have seen a few advocates go through the painstaking process of finding allies, educating them slowly, and gradually building a sympathetic network.  That approach is working.  It's slow, it's tedious, but in my observation it is working better than 30 years of storming the barn door.

 

Jeral

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From: transport-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:transport-...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Weidler

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:13 AM
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Subject: [t-i] Re: Skyloop Rebuttal

[Michael Weidler]

I guess we've had very different experiences in this matter. Most of my experience comes from the Transit Wars in Seattle. In my opinion, simply setting the record straight with correct data is not the opposite of playing nice.

 

I do sympathize with the polical environment most transit agencies operate in. I sympathize with them so much that I want to change the environment by putting the arrogant stupid SOBs who are causing the problem behind bars where they belong.

 

I understand that doing anything significant to the actual politicians is very problematic; however, if the consultants are put on notice that "cooking the books" is going to get them sued, it may force them to provide complete accurate informantion. What the politicians do with the information, is technically beyond their control.

Jeral Poskey <jpo...@davinciglobal.com> wrote: