RE: [transit-developers] Any opensource or free GTFS builder?

[Harold Kurth]

Do a google search for rtap (national rural transit assistance program), they have a gtfs builder.  You may have to register.

 

 

Harold Kurth

IT/GIS Specialist

Metropolitan Tulsa Transit Authority

918-560-5629

mailto:hku...@tulsatransit.org

 

 

 

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Subject: [transit-developers] Any opensource or free GTFS builder?

 

Hi,

 

I'm building a GTFS for my campus shuttles. I used TransitEditor, but it just expired couple days ago. Is there any opensource or free GTFS builder? I looked at this list but not helpful... https://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/OtherGTFSTools      maybe I was not doing it right. None of these seem to work without any problems.

 

So if anyone could give me some guidance, I'd appreciate that a lot. Thanks.

 

Batuka

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[Andrew Jawitz]

We've been trying to make a list of open source GTFS resources as part of a project we're doing in Maine called the "OpenTransit Project".  If you look on the Open Standards page on the wiki you'll find links to GTFS Builder and some other repos we've collected from Google Code and Github.  

  Do let us know if you find anything new or if you can get GTFS Builder to work...  Based on the experiences of smaller agency operators I've spoken to, it seems that GTFS Builder has seen little support since it was first deployed over a year ago...  It would be a huge asset if someone took the "Open Source GTFS" ball and ran with it so-to-speak... 

[CarFree Maine]

An addendum to the above comments concerning GTFS Builder- After using the program myself I have some observations which may be helpful.

  The program itself is actually pretty simple.  Its pretty much a series of Excel templates on which one only has to add their own data into prepared fields before exporting back to the RTAP Cloud server for validation and final submission.  RTAP has done a very thorough job of trying to make it understandable for transit managers as opposed to software geeks.  The one drawback is it ends up being so detailed that it actually makes it look more complicated than it really is.  Its hard to even find an "overview" as the title applies to a PDF, a long checklist and a webinar video.  Most of the tutorials are in webvideo format and there are a lot of them.  Enough to convince many an overworked transit manager that GTFS is something best left to the professionals.  Which might be the case, but for the smaller agencies which make up RTAPs constituency, this usually means going without GTFS altogether...

   I wonder if it might be possible, either through RTAP themselves or through a dedicated civic tech group like Code for America (full-disclosure I also volunteer with the local Code for America Brigade called Code for Maine) to bring the circa-2011 application more up-to-date by using a combination of Google Fusion Tables, Github for the code and an open source hosting solution.  Something akin to a great app designed by a CfA fellow for Macon, Georgia called http://seepennywork.in/.  SPW uses a combination of Google Spreadsheet and Wordpress templates to allow city employees to create feature-rich website content using the spreadsheet.  Replacing the Excel templates with one made in Fusion Tables eliminates the need to deal with cross platform constraints and already exists in the cloud.

  I'm going to poll our Civic Hacker network to see if I can find out more details of how this would work, but feel free to reply with any comments or suggestions.

      

                                                                                                     Thank You

                                                                                                  Andrew Jawitz

                                                                                            CarFree Maine/ Code for Maine

On Wednesday, 24 April 2013 13:53:08 UTC-4, CarFree Maine wrote:

We've been trying to make a list of open source GTFS resources as part of a project we're doing in Maine called the "OpenTransit Project".  If you look on the Open Standards page on the wiki you'll find links to GTFS Builder and some other repos we've collected from Google Code and Github.  

  Do let us know if you find anything new or if you can get GTFS Builder to work...  Based on the experiences of smaller agency operators I've spoken to, it seems that GTFS Builder has seen little support since it was first deployed over a year ago...  It would be a huge asset if someone took the "Open Source GTFS" ball and ran with it so-to-speak... 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Harold Kurth <hku...@tulsatransit.org> wrote:

Do a google search for rtap (national rural transit assistance program), they have a gtfs builder.  You may have to register.

 

 

Harold Kurth

IT/GIS Specialist

Metropolitan Tulsa Transit Authority

918-560-5629

mailto:hku...@tulsatransit.org

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:30 AM
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Subject: [transit-developers] Any opensource or free GTFS builder?

 

Hi,

 

I'm building a GTFS for my campus shuttles. I used TransitEditor, but it just expired couple days ago. Is there any opensource or free GTFS builder? I looked at this list but not helpful... https://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/OtherGTFSTools      maybe I was not doing it right. None of these seem to work without any problems.

 

So if anyone could give me some guidance, I'd appreciate that a lot. Thanks.

 

Batuka

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On Monday, 29 April 2013 21:23:57 UTC+1, CarFree Maine wrote:

An addendum to the above comments concerning GTFS Builder- After using the program myself I have some observations which may be helpful.

  The program itself is actually pretty simple.  Its pretty much a series of Excel templates on which one only has to add their own data into prepared fields before exporting back to the RTAP Cloud server for validation and final submission.  RTAP has done a very thorough job of trying to make it understandable for transit managers as opposed to software geeks.  The one drawback is it ends up being so detailed that it actually makes it look more complicated than it really is.  Its hard to even find an "overview" as the title applies to a PDF, a long checklist and a webinar video.  Most of the tutorials are in webvideo format and there are a lot of them.  Enough to convince many an overworked transit manager that GTFS is something best left to the professionals.  Which might be the case, but for the smaller agencies which make up RTAPs constituency, this usually means going without GTFS altogether...

 

yeah it's scary isnt it, but they obviously have quite a developed publication process.

What I want, and I guess a lot of others, is something like this http://www.ypass.net/yTransit/
and I want anyone to be able to make their own GTFS instance on it, and export and manage version control thereafter.
Alas yTransit is another project pending http://www.ypass.net/blog/tag/gtfs/

There appears to be no, arbitrary use, GTFS manager available for free public use, and any open software visible isnt actually running and/or complete anywhere and probably doesnt work.
Why Google havent bothered to let someone implement this for them, and hence presumably dont want all this data, I know not,

[tay...@itpworld.net]

Hi Batuka

You might be interested in the open source GTFS Editor (https://github.com/conveyal/gtfs-editor) and TransitWand (https://github.com/conveyal/transit-wand).

I posted about these tools in a recent thread on here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/transit-developers/hgMxZhYgoAE.

Best regards

Neil