while i believe that scraping schedule data is not the best solution,
and I am personally working hard to help promote open gtfs feeds (and
transit data in general), i do not think there is always an issue of
copyright.
In the same way that phonebook information can not be copyrighted, and
similarly store prices from advertisements can't be copyrighted, facts
are facts and not copyrightable. What is copyrightable (and perhaps
patentable) is a specific format for displaying schedule data, but the
information itself (ie: when a train is scheduled to leave) is a fact,
and not copyrightable.
That said, IANAL, and my comments do not address possible acceptable
use policies or EULA's.
There is also the issue of much data available from public agencies
being in the public domain (And often available under FOIA or similar
requests). That doesn't apply in the case of NextBus, but does apply
to most public agencies.
just my 2 cents.
> should the community be encouraged to
> scrape that data from Google transit and provide it to one another
> regardless of whether the transit agency has sanctioned this ?
somewhat; we should push to get more gtfs feeds available publicly;
official or unofficial... BUT we should aim to get it from the source
if possible, not 2nd or 3rd hand.
--
Jehiah
Michael Smith
Director of Engineering
NextBus
I think you made a good point Jehiah - facts are not copyrightable.
But transit arrival predictions are not facts, and as you said, your
argument "doesn't apply in the case of NextBus."
The data contained in the GTFS feeds used in Google Transit, however,
are facts, and are publicly available elsewhere (already in the public
domain as you put it) - namely, the published transit schedule.
alex
On Sep 30, 12:50 pm, "Jehiah Czebotar" <jeh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:46 PM, aorl...@nextbusinformationsystems.com
Mike
Brian Ferris wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that NextBus Inc's primary
> funding mechanism is transit agencies. Could a forward looking
> transit agency request in their contract that real-time arrival
> information be published with a public API for general use?
> Considering NextBus is being funded by the transit agency and not by
> advertising revenue, NextBus Inc. doesn't lose much in this case.
>
> Brian Ferris
> http://onebusaway.org/
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:09 PM, aor...@nextbusinformationsystems.com
> <mailto:aor...@nextbusinformationsystems.com>
> <aor...@nextbusinformationsystems.com
> <mailto:aor...@nextbusinformationsystems.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I think you made a good point Jehiah - facts are not copyrightable.
> But transit arrival predictions are not facts, and as you said, your
> argument "doesn't apply in the case of NextBus."
>
> The data contained in the GTFS feeds used in Google Transit, however,
> are facts, and are publicly available elsewhere (already in the public
> domain as you put it) - namely, the published transit schedule.
>
> alex
>
> On Sep 30, 12:50 pm, "Jehiah Czebotar" <jeh...@gmail.com
> <mailto:jeh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:46 PM,
> aorl...@nextbusinformationsystems.com
> <mailto:aorl...@nextbusinformationsystems.com>
> >
> > <aorl...@nextbusinformationsystems.com