Tues 8th April: Using Wiki to Debate. EPICURE CAFE. (And TorontoWikiTuesdays.com for the next three months)
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Apr 3, 2008, 9:02:07 PM4/3/08
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What's being presented and about our speaker:
As part of the 2008 Toronto Wiki Tuesday Guest Speaker Series, Adrian Fritsch (Software Consultant and founder of debatum.org) will lead discussions at Toronto Wiki Tuesday at Epicure Cafe, Here's Adrian's event description:
What: Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: using Wikis to Debate
After Adrians talk we'll turn the conversation to the audience to discuss how, where and why Wikis are usually used in Politics and in what ways Debatum offers something new. Expect a lively discussion of the opportunities and resistance to wikis in politics.
When and Where:
6:30pm, Tuesday 8th April at 502 Queen Street West in the Front Room: http://www.theepicure.ca/event.html
Please sign up for this event at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
Join our mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/torontowikituesday/
Who should come and why:
Interested in the topic? Got an opinion or unique use of a wiki? Or just interested to network? Come join our community.
About Toronto Wiki Tuesdays and Blended Perspectives:
Toronto Wiki Tuesdays has been running since 2005 and has a mandate to spread the word about how a wiki can transform communication in organisations and the nature of business. Toronto Wiki Tuesdays was founded and is run by Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA, Head Blender of Blended Perspectives, a wiki consulting firm based in Toronto, and a Chair of WikiSym, the International Symposium on the use of Wikis.
April's Toronto Wiki Tuesdays is sponsored by the Society of Internet Professsionals. See http://www.sipgroup.org/ and http://www.sipgroup.blogspot.com/
Upcoming Toronto Wiki Tuesdays
Here are contained the dates and the topics for Toronto Wiki Tuesdays for the next 3 months.
--
Martin Cleaver MSc MBA
Cell: 416-786-6752
Martin....@BlendedPerspectives.com
Principal, http://www.blendedperspectives.com/
Founder, http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
Chair, http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/
As part of the 2008 Toronto Wiki Tuesday Guest Speaker Series, Adrian Fritsch (Software Consultant and founder of debatum.org) will lead discussions at Toronto Wiki Tuesday at Epicure Cafe, Here's Adrian's event description:
What: Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: using Wikis to Debate
The problem:
To form a well-reasoned opinion, you need the best arguments on different sides of a debate. Wikipedia stresses neutral point of view and so make it's content hard to contrast with your current understanding. While every wiki houses content, a method is needed to help the community express contrasting opinions.
The Debatum solution:Debatum's goal is to well-thought-out opinions, rather than to facilitate "winning" debates. Debatum's motto is "Knowledge by debate".
Debatum is a wiki with a method that guides uses to document and interconnect arguments. Examples it uses include debating controversial issues such as:
1. Can computers think?
2. When is a declaration of independence reasonable?
3. Does God Exist?
4. Should there be Net Neutrality?
Debatum overlays a methodology over the wiki to encourage the growth of disparate viewpoints to inform and persuade readers. This provides users to enrich the arguments and powerfully inform and influence others.
While Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Debatum wants to be an interconnect of arguments, ideas, and lines of thought. While Wikipedia stresses a Neutral Point of view, Debatum's goal is to write the best arguments of each side and include weak, yet popular arguments together with (strong) counter-arguments. Unlike Wikipedia, which accepts content only if it is written outside, Debatum seeks to mesh arguments with original thinking from participants.
Additional topics:
- We will discuss other attempts to approach online debates (wiki-based or not) and compare them to Debatum.
- We ask whether Wiki is actually the ideal format for documenting debates.
- We question whether (controversial) subjects be learned faster from a "debating construct" instead of a "plain" layout?
- We discuss whether a wiki format discourages rhetoric and ask whether this is a good thing.
After Adrians talk we'll turn the conversation to the audience to discuss how, where and why Wikis are usually used in Politics and in what ways Debatum offers something new. Expect a lively discussion of the opportunities and resistance to wikis in politics.
When and Where:
6:30pm, Tuesday 8th April at 502 Queen Street West in the Front Room: http://www.theepicure.ca/event.html
Please sign up for this event at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
Join our mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/torontowikituesday/
Who should come and why:
Interested in the topic? Got an opinion or unique use of a wiki? Or just interested to network? Come join our community.
- Parties interested in expression of contraversal or political material on wikis.
- Wikipedians responsible for promoting a neutral point of view
- Anyone who thinks that wikis are not the place to express dissent
- Technical writers responsible for documentation tasks
- Managers and leaders trying to understand the potential of wikis
- Change transformation agents using wikis to instigate organisational transparency using a wiki
- Wiki users Wiki gardeners who improve content clarity
About Toronto Wiki Tuesdays and Blended Perspectives:
Toronto Wiki Tuesdays has been running since 2005 and has a mandate to spread the word about how a wiki can transform communication in organisations and the nature of business. Toronto Wiki Tuesdays was founded and is run by Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA, Head Blender of Blended Perspectives, a wiki consulting firm based in Toronto, and a Chair of WikiSym, the International Symposium on the use of Wikis.
- http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
- http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/03/toronto-wiki-tuesdays-march-april-and-onward-2008/
- http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/05/wikisym2008-im-chair-for-demos-and-posters/
April's Toronto Wiki Tuesdays is sponsored by the Society of Internet Professsionals. See http://www.sipgroup.org/ and http://www.sipgroup.blogspot.com/
Upcoming Toronto Wiki Tuesdays
Here are contained the dates and the topics for Toronto Wiki Tuesdays for the next 3 months.
| Apr 8 Tuesday |
Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer.
This month's speaker will be Adrian Fritsch, who will give us a
run-down of De...
|
Toronto,
ON
|
|
May 13 Tuesday |
Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer.
This month's speaker will be Vanessa Peters, lecturer at OISE, talking
about t...
|
Toronto,
ON
|
|
Jun 10 Tuesday |
Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer.
This month's speaker will be Nelson Ko, CEO of Citidel Rock, talking
about how... |
--
Martin Cleaver MSc MBA
Cell: 416-786-6752
Martin....@BlendedPerspectives.com
Principal, http://www.blendedperspectives.com/
Founder, http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
Chair, http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/
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Apr 3, 2008, 10:09:12 PM4/3/08
to TorontoWikiTuesday
Well, the above description ended up being slightly more Martin's
description than mine...
In a nutshell, the big, (very)long-term goal of Debatum is to create a
comprehensive reference of controversial ideas and the related
knowledge. A reader should be able to quickly grasp the best arguments
of each side, and get the picture of where this debate fits in the
much larger context of the related debates and ideas.
For the short-term we want to build a critical mass of reference
articles/debates to serve as the model, and at the same time, refine a
set of guiding principles in building Debatum. At the meeting I will
present my initial vision of article's layout - with a few examples,
and my initial set of principles.
One of the most difficult question I could receive is: "why not do
this in Wikipedia?", but I think I have some good answers to that.
Looking forward to other difficult questions and... arguments from
you...
Adrian Fritsch
On Apr 3, 9:02 pm, "Mar...@Cleaver.org" <Mar...@Cleaver.org> wrote:
> *What's being presented and about our speaker:*
> As part of the 2008 Toronto Wiki Tuesday Guest Speaker Series, *Adrian
> Fritsch* (Software Consultant and founder of debatum.org) will lead
> discussions at Toronto Wiki Tuesday at *Epicure Cafe*, Here's Adrian's
> event description:
>
> What: *Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: using Wikis to Debate
> *
>
>
>
> > * The problem:*
> *Join our mailing list*http://groups.google.com/group/torontowikituesday/
> *
> **Who should come and why:
> *Interested in the topic? Got an opinion or unique use of a wiki? Or just
> interested to network? Come join our community. *
> *
>
> - Parties interested in expression of contraversal or political
> material on wikis.
> - Wikipedians responsible for promoting a neutral point of view
> - Anyone who thinks that wikis are not the place to express dissent
> - Technical writers responsible for documentation tasks
> - Managers and leaders trying to understand the potential of wikis
> - Change transformation agents using wikis to instigate organisational
> transparency using a wiki
> - Wiki users Wiki gardeners who improve content clarity
>
> *
> About Toronto Wiki Tuesdays and **Blended Perspectives:
> *Toronto Wiki Tuesdays has been running since 2005 and has a mandate to
> *
>
> - *http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/*
> - *
> http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/03/toronto-wiki-tuesdays-march...
> *
> - *
> http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/05/wikisym2008-im-chair-for-de...
> *
>
> *About our Sponsor:
> *April's Toronto Wiki Tuesdays is sponsored by the Society of Internet
> Professsionals. Seehttp://www.sipgroup.org/andhttp://www.sipgroup.blogspot.com/
>
> * Upcoming Toronto Wiki Tuesdays*
> Toronto, ON
> *May 13*
> Toronto, ON
> *Jun 10*
> *Principal*,http://www.blendedperspectives.com/
> *Founder*,http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
> *Chair*,http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/
description than mine...
In a nutshell, the big, (very)long-term goal of Debatum is to create a
comprehensive reference of controversial ideas and the related
knowledge. A reader should be able to quickly grasp the best arguments
of each side, and get the picture of where this debate fits in the
much larger context of the related debates and ideas.
For the short-term we want to build a critical mass of reference
articles/debates to serve as the model, and at the same time, refine a
set of guiding principles in building Debatum. At the meeting I will
present my initial vision of article's layout - with a few examples,
and my initial set of principles.
One of the most difficult question I could receive is: "why not do
this in Wikipedia?", but I think I have some good answers to that.
Looking forward to other difficult questions and... arguments from
you...
Adrian Fritsch
On Apr 3, 9:02 pm, "Mar...@Cleaver.org" <Mar...@Cleaver.org> wrote:
> *What's being presented and about our speaker:*
> As part of the 2008 Toronto Wiki Tuesday Guest Speaker Series, *Adrian
> Fritsch* (Software Consultant and founder of debatum.org) will lead
> discussions at Toronto Wiki Tuesday at *Epicure Cafe*, Here's Adrian's
> event description:
>
> What: *Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: using Wikis to Debate
> *
>
>
>
> > * The problem:*
>
> > To form a well-reasoned opinion, you need the best arguments on different
> > sides of a debate. Wikipedia stresses neutral point of view and so make it's
> > content hard to contrast with your current understanding. While every wiki
> > houses content, a method is needed to help the community express contrasting
> > opinions.
>
> > * The Debatum solution:*
> > To form a well-reasoned opinion, you need the best arguments on different
> > sides of a debate. Wikipedia stresses neutral point of view and so make it's
> > content hard to contrast with your current understanding. While every wiki
> > houses content, a method is needed to help the community express contrasting
> > opinions.
>
> > Debatum is a wiki with a method that guides uses to document and
> > interconnect arguments. Examples it uses include debating controversial
> > issues such as:
>
> > 1. Can computers think?
> > 2. When is a declaration of independence reasonable?
> > 3. Does God Exist?
> > 4. Should there be Net Neutrality?
>
> > Debatum overlays a methodology over the wiki to encourage the growth of
> > disparate viewpoints to inform and persuade readers. This provides users to
> > enrich the arguments and powerfully inform and influence others.
>
> > While Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Debatum wants to be an interconnect of
> > arguments, ideas, and lines of thought. While Wikipedia stresses a Neutral
> > Point of view, Debatum's goal is to write the best arguments of each side
> > and include weak, yet popular arguments together with (strong)
> > counter-arguments. Unlike Wikipedia, which accepts content only if it is
> > written outside, Debatum seeks to mesh arguments with original thinking from
> > participants.
>
> > Debatum's goal is to well-thought-out opinions, rather than to facilitate
> > "winning" debates. Debatum's motto is "Knowledge by debate".
>
> > *Additional topics:*
> > interconnect arguments. Examples it uses include debating controversial
> > issues such as:
>
> > 1. Can computers think?
> > 2. When is a declaration of independence reasonable?
> > 3. Does God Exist?
> > 4. Should there be Net Neutrality?
>
> > Debatum overlays a methodology over the wiki to encourage the growth of
> > disparate viewpoints to inform and persuade readers. This provides users to
> > enrich the arguments and powerfully inform and influence others.
>
> > While Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Debatum wants to be an interconnect of
> > arguments, ideas, and lines of thought. While Wikipedia stresses a Neutral
> > Point of view, Debatum's goal is to write the best arguments of each side
> > and include weak, yet popular arguments together with (strong)
> > counter-arguments. Unlike Wikipedia, which accepts content only if it is
> > written outside, Debatum seeks to mesh arguments with original thinking from
> > participants.
>
> > Debatum's goal is to well-thought-out opinions, rather than to facilitate
> > "winning" debates. Debatum's motto is "Knowledge by debate".
>
>
> > - We will discuss other attempts to approach online debates (wiki-based or
> > not) and compare them to Debatum.
> > - We ask whether Wiki is actually the ideal format for documenting
> > debates.
> > - We question whether (controversial) subjects be learned faster from a
> > "debating construct" instead of a "plain" layout?
> > - We discuss whether a wiki format discourages rhetoric and ask whether
> > this is a good thing.
>
> After Adrians talk we'll turn the conversation to the audience to discuss
> how, where and why Wikis are usually used in Politics and in what ways
> Debatum offers something new. Expect a lively discussion of the
> opportunities and resistance to wikis in politics.
>
> *When and Where:*
> > - We will discuss other attempts to approach online debates (wiki-based or
> > not) and compare them to Debatum.
> > - We ask whether Wiki is actually the ideal format for documenting
> > debates.
> > - We question whether (controversial) subjects be learned faster from a
> > "debating construct" instead of a "plain" layout?
> > - We discuss whether a wiki format discourages rhetoric and ask whether
> > this is a good thing.
>
> After Adrians talk we'll turn the conversation to the audience to discuss
> how, where and why Wikis are usually used in Politics and in what ways
> Debatum offers something new. Expect a lively discussion of the
> opportunities and resistance to wikis in politics.
>
> 6:30pm, Tuesday 8th April at 502 Queen Street West in the Front Room:http://www.theepicure.ca/event.html
> *Please sign up for this event *at* *http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
> *Join our mailing list*http://groups.google.com/group/torontowikituesday/
> *
> **Who should come and why:
> *Interested in the topic? Got an opinion or unique use of a wiki? Or just
> interested to network? Come join our community. *
> *
>
> - Parties interested in expression of contraversal or political
> material on wikis.
> - Wikipedians responsible for promoting a neutral point of view
> - Anyone who thinks that wikis are not the place to express dissent
> - Technical writers responsible for documentation tasks
> - Managers and leaders trying to understand the potential of wikis
> - Change transformation agents using wikis to instigate organisational
> transparency using a wiki
> - Wiki users Wiki gardeners who improve content clarity
>
> *
> About Toronto Wiki Tuesdays and **Blended Perspectives:
> *Toronto Wiki Tuesdays has been running since 2005 and has a mandate to
> spread the word about how a wiki can transform communication in
> organisations and the nature of business. Toronto Wiki Tuesdays was founded
> and is run by Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA, Head Blender of Blended
> Perspectives<http://www.blendedperspectives.com/>,
> organisations and the nature of business. Toronto Wiki Tuesdays was founded
> and is run by Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA, Head Blender of Blended
> a wiki consulting firm based in Toronto, and a Chair of WikiSym, the
> International Symposium on the use of Wikis. *
> *
>
> - *http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/*
> - *
> http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/03/toronto-wiki-tuesdays-march...
> *
> - *
> http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/03/05/wikisym2008-im-chair-for-de...
> *
>
> *About our Sponsor:
> *April's Toronto Wiki Tuesdays is sponsored by the Society of Internet
> Professsionals. Seehttp://www.sipgroup.org/andhttp://www.sipgroup.blogspot.com/
>
> * Upcoming Toronto Wiki Tuesdays*
> Here are contained the dates and the topics for Toronto Wiki Tuesdays for
> the next 3 months.
>
> *Apr 8*
> the next 3 months.
>
> Tuesday Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: Wikis in
> Politics<http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/>
>
> Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Adrian Fritsch, who will give us a run-down of De...
> Epicure Cafe <http://upcoming.yahoo.com/venue/26641/>
> Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Adrian Fritsch, who will give us a run-down of De...
> Toronto, ON
> *May 13*
> Tuesday Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: Wikis in
> Education<http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/468369/>
> Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Vanessa Peters, lecturer at OISE, talking about t...
> To be decided! <http://upcoming.yahoo.com/venue/119485/>
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Vanessa Peters, lecturer at OISE, talking about t...
> Toronto, ON
> *Jun 10*
> Tuesday Toronto Wiki Tuesdays: Wikis and Social
> Networking<http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/468371/>
>
> Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Nelson Ko, CEO of Citidel Rock, talking about how...
>
> --
> Martin Cleaver MSc MBA
> Cell: 416-786-6752
> Martin.Clea...@BlendedPerspectives.com
> Toronto's monthly gathering about wiki technologies, deployments and
> adoption. Come along, share your story over a beer. This month's speaker
> will be Nelson Ko, CEO of Citidel Rock, talking about how...
>
> --
> Martin Cleaver MSc MBA
> Cell: 416-786-6752
> *Principal*,http://www.blendedperspectives.com/
> *Founder*,http://www.torontowikituesdays.com/
> *Chair*,http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/
Mar...@cleaver.org
Apr 3, 2008, 10:39:20 PM4/3/08
to torontowi...@googlegroups.com
Thanks for the update Adrian - I apologise not getting back in time to talk to you.
Next time I will telephone instead of assuming the all clear!
I've added your comment on both the event description at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
and on my blog post: http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/04/03/tues-8th-april-using-wiki-to-debate-epicure-cafe-toronto/
Cheers,
Martin.--
Mar...@Cleaver.org
Next time I will telephone instead of assuming the all clear!
I've added your comment on both the event description at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/444745/
and on my blog post: http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/04/03/tues-8th-april-using-wiki-to-debate-epicure-cafe-toronto/
Cheers,
Martin.
Mar...@Cleaver.org
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