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Rick Innis  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 26, 12:02 pm
From: Rick Innis <rick.in...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:02:03 -0400
Local: Wed, Mar 26 2008 12:02 pm
Subject: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
Possibly of interest to some on this list: Bell Canada are throttling  
BitTorrent and other P2P traffic within their network. This means  
that if you have a DSL connection, regardless of who it's from, your  
traffic will be shaped. TekSavvy's Rocky Gadreault posted this at  
DSLREports.com:

"They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full  
throttling process. They plan to have things fully throttled by April  
7th. All BT and P2P traffic will be affected. They claim they are  
allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair  
Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080325-canadian-isps-furious-
about-bell-canadas-traffic-throttling.html

R.


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Jordan Christensen  
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From: "Jordan Christensen" <thebi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:26:42 -0400
Local: Wed, Mar 26 2008 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
I just moved into a new place and have Teksavvy set to start in 2
weeks. I have to say, I'm a little pissed off here.


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jon.lax@gmail.com  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 26, 2:39 pm
From: "jon....@gmail.com" <jon....@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:39:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Mar 26 2008 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
Then do something... complain to the CRTC... We can all just do
nothing or we can say that it is unacceptable for Bell and Rogers to
determine which bits are good and which are bad. They want common
carrier status so they aren't liable for content on their lines but
throttle traffic because they don't want to invest in infrastructure.

Jon

On Mar 26, 2:26 pm, "Jordan Christensen" <thebi...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Jordan Christensen  
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From: "Jordan Christensen" <thebi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:40:50 -0400
Local: Wed, Mar 26 2008 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
I definitely plan to. Not having a choice for unthrottled consumer
internet in Toronto is bordering on absurd.


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Robert Guerra  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 26, 3:06 pm
From: Robert Guerra <li...@privaterra.info>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
Kudos to Teksavvy for their positive actions in favor of network  
neutrality. They have raised the alarm - not it is up up to others to  
also complain not only to the CRTC but also to MPs

regards,

Robert
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Robert Guerra <rgue...@privaterra.ca>
Managing Director, Privaterra
Tel +1 416 893 0377

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Seb  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 27, 8:16 am
From: Seb <sprovenc...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Mar 27 2008 8:16 am
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
I think the most interesting angle from a CRTC point of view is that
throttling could potentially lead to less competition in the telephony
business.  i.e. are Bell and other ISPs throttling VoIP phone
companies like Vonage?

Seb.

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Rohan Jayasekera  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 28, 1:42 am
From: "Rohan Jayasekera" <1...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:42:36 -0400
Local: Fri, Mar 28 2008 1:42 am
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
I'm quite disappointed by many of the statements made in this thread.

The Internet is not an unlimited free resource, and pretending that it is
allows the few to ruin it for the many.  If you're not familiar with the
phrase "the tragedy of the commons", please look it up.

And if you're a heavy user and don't think you should have to pay any more
than a light user, please don't present selfishness as part of some noble
cause.

Rohan


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phro  
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From: phro <phr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:26:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Mar 28 2008 2:26 am
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
@Rohan

Is it not the case that most if not all ISP's do offer several tiers
of service to accomodate these heavy users?  Are you suggesting that
those who already pay for premium access should still be penalized for
the sake of those who chose "lite" broadband connections?  Or do you
advocate some means of billing for both quality and quantity of
bandwidth?

As an internet veteran your views on these issues would be most
welcome.

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Rohan Jayasekera  
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From: "Rohan Jayasekera" <1...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:50:19 -0400
Local: Fri, Mar 28 2008 8:50 am
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
Hmm, evidently I should clarify.  Neither of my two comments was against net
neutrality, nor in favour of throttling, nor in favour of ISPs' charging
more to those who already pay more for premium access.  I'm just getting
really sick of hearing cowboy tactics and selfishness and dreaming in
Technicolor wrapped up in the flag of the worthy goal of having the Internet
as a friendly and accommodating resource.  Most or all of us in TorCamp
share a certain ideal for the Internet; let's work toward it in a principled
and realistic way.  This may take some self-discipline when people are
getting penalized for perfectly reasonable activities, but I think it's
worth it.

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Michael Sims  
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From: Michael Sims <jelli...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:39:33 -0400
Local: Fri, Mar 28 2008 9:39 am
Subject: Re: Bell Canada throttling P2P traffic
On Friday 28 March 2008, Rohan Jayasekera wrote:

> I'm quite disappointed by many of the statements made in this thread.

> The Internet is not an unlimited free resource, and pretending that it is
> allows the few to ruin it for the many.  If you're not familiar with the
> phrase "the tragedy of the commons", please look it up.

This is some kind of joke, right?  You are aware that every single internet
user is paying for services?  To companies like Bell Canada whose revenue
was $4,500,000,000 (not a typo) in the last three months?

> And if you're a heavy user and don't think you should have to pay any
> more than a light user, please don't present selfishness as part of some
> noble cause.

Yes, it's utterly selfish and tragic that someone who has paid for a T1
connection should actually be able to upload and download at 1.544 Mbps.  
Why, if they actually use the full capacity of the line, they're just a
bunch of thieves.  In fact, any T1 client who uses it more than once a week
to drive to church on Sundays is just a low-down scoundrel, and if they
complain that the line doesn't actually deliver 1.544 Mbps, it's pure
selfishness.

Bell, on the other hand, who sold you that T1 line, shouldn't be held to
actually deliver what they sold.  That's not how business works!  They
should able to sell T1 lines to everyone without bothering to provision for
it, and just slow down the end-user as necessary to make sure that the 500
T1 lines they sold to clients don't exceed the capacity of the one T1 line
they use as an upstream connection.  That's just good business practices,
nothing shady in there at all.

Rohan, I'd like to sell you a new car.  It will have up to 4 wheels and up
to one engine and up to 4 seats inside.  Also, I get to revise the deal any
time after you've purchased the car.  I might revise it to have fewer seats
or engines or wheels, but the amount you paid for the car will not be
revised downwards.  Don't complain if I revise it though; that's just
selfish.  Keep making your monthly payments and STFU.

Not everyone in Canada is familiar with the product offerings in the rest of
the world regarding broadband.  In most industrialized nations, you can get
a broadband connection ten times as fast as anything offered in Canada for
half the price, with no throttling.  Canadians are paying monopoly prices
(high!) for monopoly levels of service (low!).  You can either do something
about this situation or you can be like Rohan, "Thank you sir may I have
another beating?"

Michael Sims


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