For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is
you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates.
Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but
he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such
a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I
agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more
about things than CNN/JT reporters.
Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists,
whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
> For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is
> you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates.
> Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but
> he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
> Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such
> a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
> Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I
> agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more
> about things than CNN/JT reporters.
> Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists,
> whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
Great Links. Really, really concerned about Iitatemura. It turns out the gov. sent in some um, "scientists" to say that rad levels were safe several days ago after most had gotten out, and so guess what, 2/3 of the community came back. Thankfully they came to the decision today to send the women and children out of the town temporarily.
At the same time, over in Minami-soma, apparently the government asked small business to start up again *within the 20-30km stay indoors zone*. So the town asked the government to *cancel the stay indoors order*. Now today the government admitted it is considering changing the order from stay indoors to evacuate for that zone due to accumulated dosage fears.
Those are just two examples of what happens when they try to butter up the real facts on the ground to avoid panic.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote: > My brother, the real research scientist in the family, just sent me > these two from latest issue of Nature
> There's a couple of other fushi related topics in the same issue.
> Not of risk to anyone in Tokyo but if you know people within say 80Km > it might be worth a heads up to them.
> On Apr 7, 3:29 pm, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is >> you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates. >> Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but >> he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
>> Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such >> a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
>> Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I >> agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more >> about things than CNN/JT reporters.
>> Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists, >> whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
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NHK had an interview on about an hour ago with a japanese professer
from Tokyo Christian University (I think that was it, not one of the
biggies).
He speciailises in disaster psych management, one of the key areas Jim
Smith was talking about in his Nature article.
Essentially he was saying exactly what you were saying Chris.
Big gap between what they jgov was saying and what people were
doing,leading to people returning, then getting opposite advice,
leading to a really bad feedback loop.
If I recall correctly Eda Bauer aka Edano-san implied tonight they are
thinking of increasing the evac zone to keep within a 5 msv /yr
cumulative dose limit.
On Apr 7, 9:50 pm, Chris Harrington <chris.harrington...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Great Links. Really, really concerned about Iitatemura. It turns out
> the gov. sent in some um, "scientists" to say that rad levels were
> safe several days ago after most had gotten out, and so guess what,
> 2/3 of the community came back. Thankfully they came to the decision
> today to send the women and children out of the town temporarily.
> At the same time, over in Minami-soma, apparently the government asked
> small business to start up again *within the 20-30km stay indoors
> zone*. So the town asked the government to *cancel the stay indoors
> order*. Now today the government admitted it is considering changing
> the order from stay indoors to evacuate for that zone due to
> accumulated dosage fears.
> Those are just two examples of what happens when they try to butter up
> the real facts on the ground to avoid panic.
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My brother, the real research scientist in the family, just sent me
> > these two from latest issue of Nature
> > There's a couple of other fushi related topics in the same issue.
> > Not of risk to anyone in Tokyo but if you know people within say 80Km
> > it might be worth a heads up to them.
> > On Apr 7, 3:29 pm, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is
> >> you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates.
> >> Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but
> >> he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
> >> Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such
> >> a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
> >> Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I
> >> agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more
> >> about things than CNN/JT reporters.
> >> Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists,
> >> whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
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> NHK had an interview on about an hour ago with a japanese professer
> from Tokyo Christian University (I think that was it, not one of the
> biggies).
> He speciailises in disaster psych management, one of the key areas Jim
> Smith was talking about in his Nature article.
> Essentially he was saying exactly what you were saying Chris.
> Big gap between what they jgov was saying and what people were
> doing,leading to people returning, then getting opposite advice,
> leading to a really bad feedback loop.
> If I recall correctly Eda Bauer aka Edano-san implied tonight they are
> thinking of increasing the evac zone to keep within a 5 msv /yr
> cumulative dose limit.
> On Apr 7, 9:50 pm, Chris Harrington <chris.harrington...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Great Links. Really, really concerned about Iitatemura. It turns out
> > the gov. sent in some um, "scientists" to say that rad levels were
> > safe several days ago after most had gotten out, and so guess what,
> > 2/3 of the community came back. Thankfully they came to the decision
> > today to send the women and children out of the town temporarily.
> > At the same time, over in Minami-soma, apparently the government asked
> > small business to start up again *within the 20-30km stay indoors
> > zone*. So the town asked the government to *cancel the stay indoors
> > order*. Now today the government admitted it is considering changing
> > the order from stay indoors to evacuate for that zone due to
> > accumulated dosage fears.
> > Those are just two examples of what happens when they try to butter up
> > the real facts on the ground to avoid panic.
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > My brother, the real research scientist in the family, just sent me
> > > these two from latest issue of Nature
> > > There's a couple of other fushi related topics in the same issue.
> > > Not of risk to anyone in Tokyo but if you know people within say 80Km
> > > it might be worth a heads up to them.
> > > On Apr 7, 3:29 pm, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is
> > >> you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates.
> > >> Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but
> > >> he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
> > >> Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such
> > >> a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
> > >> Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I
> > >> agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more
> > >> about things than CNN/JT reporters.
> > >> Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists,
> > >> whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
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The current meme being pushed is FuShi is 10% of Chernobyl.
However, that seems to have been decided more as a nice round number
that's easy for the dumb public to grok.
"Although Mr. Shiroya did not provide a comparison to Chernobyl, that
works out to 34 percent of the official Soviet estimate of emissions
and 17 percent of the unofficial higher estimate.
Mr. Shiroya also said there was a threefold margin for error involved.
The outside estimates of total releases would range from as low as 6
percent to as high as 51 percent of the unofficial totals from
Chernobyl. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/13/world/asia/13japan.html?_r=2&pagewa...
On Apr 7, 9:50 pm, Chris Harrington <chris.harrington...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Great Links. Really, really concerned about Iitatemura. It turns out
> the gov. sent in some um, "scientists" to say that rad levels were
> safe several days ago after most had gotten out, and so guess what,
> 2/3 of the community came back. Thankfully they came to the decision
> today to send the women and children out of the town temporarily.
> At the same time, over in Minami-soma, apparently the government asked
> small business to start up again *within the 20-30km stay indoors
> zone*. So the town asked the government to *cancel the stay indoors
> order*. Now today the government admitted it is considering changing
> the order from stay indoors to evacuate for that zone due to
> accumulated dosage fears.
> Those are just two examples of what happens when they try to butter up
> the real facts on the ground to avoid panic.
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My brother, the real research scientist in the family, just sent me
> > these two from latest issue of Nature
> > There's a couple of other fushi related topics in the same issue.
> > Not of risk to anyone in Tokyo but if you know people within say 80Km
> > it might be worth a heads up to them.
> > On Apr 7, 3:29 pm, sonicviz <sonic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> For those interested in trying to ascertain what the true situation is
> >> you might want to watch the Fairewinds recent video updates.
> >> Granted he is no doubt pushing his own consulting/analyst barrow, but
> >> he does seem to have a background in remote forensics in this area.
> >> Areva, btw, were probably the reason the French vacated Tokyo in such
> >> a very loud and very fast manner the very vocal
> >> Don't shoot the messenger if you don't agree with it. I'm not sure I
> >> agree with it all as well, but he does seem to know a little more
> >> about things than CNN/JT reporters.
> >> Any links to similar sources from energy consultants/scientists,
> >> whatever their risk conclusion, would be welcome.
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