From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Shannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:25 PM To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [THS:16487] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
oh, there are going to be some nuts at the next meeting alright.
c
On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Mikele wrote:
I can help with that, come to the next party, I will hook you up with some really big nuts
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
Thank you. I got it. With the whipped cream and the cherry, all I need are nuts. Does anyone have nuts? I need some really big nuts...
From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylan Ayken Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:51 PM To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [THS:16482] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
No, the santorum is the whipped cream on top of the sundae
_____
From: Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:44 PM Subject: RE: [THS:16480] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
No, the cactus is the cherry on my akiba sundae. The wine is the santorum. Wait...am I using that word properly?
From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lauren shannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:39 PM To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [THS:16479] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
AND your cactus
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 a
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> From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Shannon > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:25 PM > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [THS:16487] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> oh, there are going to be some nuts at the next meeting alright.
> c
> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Mikele wrote: > I can help with that, come to the next party, I will hook you up with some really big nuts
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote: > Thank you. I got it. With the whipped cream and the cherry, all I need are nuts. Does anyone have nuts? I need some really big nuts...
> From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylan Ayken > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:51 PM > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [THS:16482] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> No, the santorum is the whipped cream on top of the sundae
> From: Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:44 PM > Subject: RE: [THS:16480] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> No, the cactus is the cherry on my akiba sundae. The wine is the santorum. Wait...am I using that word properly?
> From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lauren shannon > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:39 PM > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [THS:16479] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> AND your cactus
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On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > No.
> Here is my key.
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No.
> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval Service, and I take > > comments by or about them seriously.
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> :) > >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would bring up this issue > on > >> Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the THS to be > serving any > >> kind of military op. I would have asked for my membership money back... > and > >> torch the place.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Torsten Wagner < > torsten.wag...@gmail.com> > >> wrote:
> >>> But we would loose > >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >>> Totti
> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > educational, > >>> > socially useful purpose...
> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to turn kids into > >>> > braindead > >>> > assassins, it should at least be done somewhere else, like the secret > >>> > dungeon.
> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish people in the > space.
> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless what the > >>> >> affiliation > >>> >> is, > >>> >> we're renters and not accepting charity. I'd prefer not to perform > >>> >> extensive > >>> >> background checks on landlords since that's a privacy issue. If > >>> >> something > >>> >> is > >>> >> amiss and we're suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", then > >>> >> I'm > >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that something is > amiss. > >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten > >>> >> > Wagner > >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > program
> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a manifesto (and > >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and people are > >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in this group > >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, politics or > >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have quite different > >>> >> > meanings about it. > >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like "All Turkish > >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking fools"... > >>> >> > just as an example
> >>> >> > Totti
> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people about things I or > they > >>> >> > > are serious about.
> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, especially since we never > >>> >> > >> discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >>> >> > >> c
> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance on weapons design > for > >>> >> > >>> exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >>> >> > >>> > program
> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >>> >> > recently made a > >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE will receive > >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to > >>> >> > encourage > >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the technical > >>> >> > >>> > >> skills and creativity desperately needed by the US > >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web recently > >>> >> > >>> > >> regarding various aspects of the MAKE MENTOR > >>> >> > proposal, partly > >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public withdrawal from > >>> >> > >>> > >> MakerFaire over the "military money" that MAKE will now > have > >>> >> > >>> > >> access to. Most of this discussion has consisted of > >>> >> > hyperbole, > >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud American, > >>> >> > and a self- > >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in Tokyo, I'd like > >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been lost in the > debate.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America develop(via the > >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and inviting them > >>> >> > >>> > to become > >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >>> >> > essential that the > >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies needed to > keep > >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans safe and to preserve the American Way.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires 15% of the world's > >>> >> > >>> > energy, and > >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all Americans > >>> >> > >>> > continues > >>> >> > >>> > >> to rise. To meet this rising demand, we must ensure > >>> >> > our energy > >>> >> > >>> > >> security by safeguarding US oil interests in the Middle > >>> >> > >>> > East, and our > >>> >> > >>> > >> mineral interests in Africa. MAKE's mentor proposal will > >>> >> > >>> > help DARPA > >>> >> > >>> > >> and the DoD meet this challenge, enabling them to rapidly > >>> >> > >>> > prototype, > >>> >> > >>> > >> test and deploy transport and weapons systems for use in > >>> >> > >>> > >> extremely hostile environments.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> Just to give one example from the MENTOR program; > >>> >> > the "Adaptive > >>> >> > >>> > >> Vehicle Make" project seeks to "dramatically compress > >>> >> > >>> > >> development times for complex defense systems such > >>> >> > as military > >>> >> > >>> > >> air and ground attack vehicles." Basically this > >>> >> > could include > >>> >> > >>> > >> mine > >>> >> > >>> > clearing and mine > >>> >> > >>> > >> laying (anti-tank, not anti-personnel) vehicles, > >>> >> > >>> > truck-mounted area- > >>> >> > >>> > >> denial systems and the next-generation of > less-than-lethal > >>> >> > >>> > >> devices for civil disorder control.
> >>> >> > >>> > >> I'm sure you'll all agree that it's reassuring to know > the > >>> >> > >>> > >> current generation of young Makers will be working > together > >>> >> > >>> > >> with DARPA and the DoD to create next-generation > clothing, > >>> >> > >>> > >> tools and weapons for tomorrow's Warfighters. The US is > the > >>> >> > >>> > >> world's police force and our brave Warfighters in the > Army, > >>> >> > >>> > >> Navy and Air Force put > >>> >> > >>> > themselves in > >>> >> > >>> > >> harm's way to defend democracy and the free market at a > time > >>> >> > >>> > >> when they face threats from all sides.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jud, > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because nobody mentioned the > USMC.
> Chris
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No.
>> Here is my key.
>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > No.
>> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
>> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval Service, and I take >> > comments by or about them seriously.
>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
>> >> :) >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would bring up this issue >> >> on >> >> Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the THS to be >> >> serving any >> >> kind of military op. I would have asked for my membership money back... >> >> and >> >> torch the place.
>> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Torsten Wagner >> >> <torsten.wag...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> But we would loose >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
>> >>> Totti
>> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
>> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, >> >>> > educational, >> >>> > socially useful purpose...
>> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to turn kids into >> >>> > braindead >> >>> > assassins, it should at least be done somewhere else, like the >> >>> > secret >> >>> > dungeon.
>> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish people in the >> >>> >> space.
>> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless what the >> >>> >> affiliation >> >>> >> is, >> >>> >> we're renters and not accepting charity. I'd prefer not to perform >> >>> >> extensive >> >>> >> background checks on landlords since that's a privacy issue. If >> >>> >> something >> >>> >> is >> >>> >> amiss and we're suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", >> >>> >> then >> >>> >> I'm >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that something is >> >>> >> amiss. >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
>> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten >> >>> >> > Wagner >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR >> >>> >> > program
>> >>> >> > Hehehe... >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
>> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a manifesto (and >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and people are >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in this group >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, politics or >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have quite different >> >>> >> > meanings about it. >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like "All Turkish >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking fools"... >> >>> >> > just as an example
>> >>> >> > Totti
>> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
>> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people about things I or >> >>> >> > > they >> >>> >> > > are serious about.
>> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
>> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
>> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, especially since we >> >>> >> > >> never >> >>> >> > >> discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
>> >>> >> > >> c
>> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
>> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance on weapons design >> >>> >> > >>> for >> >>> >> > >>> exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
>> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR >> >>> >> > >>> > program
>> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
>> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
>> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
>> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
>> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
>> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) >> >>> >> > recently made a >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE will receive >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to >> >>> >> > encourage >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical >> >>> >> > >>> > >> skills and creativity desperately needed by the US >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web recently >> >>> >> > >>> > >> regarding various aspects of the MAKE MENTOR >> >>> >> > proposal, partly >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public withdrawal from >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MakerFaire over the "military money" that MAKE will now >> >>> >> > >>> > >> have >> >>> >> > >>> > >> access to. Most of this discussion has consisted of >> >>> >> > hyperbole, >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud American, >> >>> >> > and a self- >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in Tokyo, I'd like >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been lost in the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America develop(via the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and inviting >> >>> >> > >>> > >> them >> >>> >> > >>> > to become >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is >> >>> >> > essential that the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies needed to >> >>> >> > >>> > >> keep >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans safe and to preserve the American Way.
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires 15% of the >> >>> >> > >>> > >> world's >> >>> >> > >>> > energy, and >> >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans >> >>> >> > >>> > continues >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to rise. To meet this rising demand, we must ensure >> >>> >> > our energy >> >>> >> > >>> > >> security by safeguarding US oil interests in the Middle >> >>> >> > >>> > East, and our >> >>> >> > >>> > >> mineral interests in Africa. MAKE's mentor proposal will >> >>> >> > >>> > help DARPA >> >>> >> > >>> > >> and the DoD meet this challenge, enabling them to >> >>> >> > >>> > >> rapidly >> >>> >> > >>> > prototype, >> >>> >> > >>> > >> test and deploy transport and weapons systems for use in >> >>> >> > >>> > >> extremely hostile environments.
>> >>> >> > >>> > >> Just to give one example from the MENTOR program; >> >>> >> > the "Adaptive >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Vehicle Make" project seeks to "dramatically compress >> >>> >> > >>> > >> development times for complex defense systems such >> >>> >> > as military >> >>> >> > >>> > >> air and ground attack vehicles." Basically this >> >>> >> > could include >> >>> >> > >>> > >> mine >> >>> >> > >>> > clearing and mine >> >>> >> > >>> > >> laying (anti-tank, not anti-personnel) vehicles, >> >>> >> > >>> > truck-mounted area- >> >>> >> > >>> > >> denial systems and the
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> I'll speak briefly this evening.
> Best,
> Jud
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jud, > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because nobody mentioned > the > > USMC.
> > Chris
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >> No.
> >> Here is my key.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > No.
> >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval Service, and I take > >> > comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> >> :) > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would bring up this > issue > >> >> on > >> >> Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the THS to be > >> >> serving any > >> >> kind of military op. I would have asked for my membership money > back... > >> >> and > >> >> torch the place.
> >> >>> But we would loose > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> >>> Totti
> >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > >> >>> > educational, > >> >>> > socially useful purpose...
> >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to turn kids into > >> >>> > braindead > >> >>> > assassins, it should at least be done somewhere else, like the > >> >>> > secret > >> >>> > dungeon.
> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> > wrote:
> >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish people in the > >> >>> >> space.
> >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless what the > >> >>> >> affiliation > >> >>> >> is, > >> >>> >> we're renters and not accepting charity. I'd prefer not to > perform > >> >>> >> extensive > >> >>> >> background checks on landlords since that's a privacy issue. If > >> >>> >> something > >> >>> >> is > >> >>> >> amiss and we're suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", > >> >>> >> then > >> >>> >> I'm > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that something is > >> >>> >> amiss. > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Torsten > >> >>> >> > Wagner > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > program
> >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a manifesto (and > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and people are > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in this group > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, politics or > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have quite different > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like "All Turkish > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking fools"... > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people about things I > or > >> >>> >> > > they > >> >>> >> > > are serious about.
> >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, especially since we > >> >>> >> > >> never > >> >>> >> > >> discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance on weapons > design > >> >>> >> > >>> for > >> >>> >> > >>> exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for the DARPA > MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > program
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >> >>> >> > recently made a > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE will receive > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to > >> >>> >> > encourage > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> skills and creativity desperately needed by the US > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web recently > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> regarding various aspects of the MAKE MENTOR > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public withdrawal > from > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MakerFaire over the "military money" that MAKE will > now > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> have > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> access to. Most of this discussion has consisted of > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud American, > >> >>> >> > and a self- > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in Tokyo, I'd > like > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been lost in the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America develop(via the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and inviting > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> them > >> >>> >> > >>> > to become > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >> >>> >> > essential that the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies needed > to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> keep > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans safe and to preserve the American Way.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires 15% of the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> world's > >> >>> >> > >>> > energy, and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans > >> >>> >> > >>> > continues > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to rise. To meet this rising demand, we must ensure > >> >>> >> > our energy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> security by safeguarding US oil interests in the > Middle > >> >>> >> > >>> > East, and our > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> mineral interests in Africa. MAKE's mentor proposal > will > >> >>> >> > >>> > help DARPA > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> and the DoD meet this challenge, enabling them to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> rapidly > >> >>> >> > >>> > prototype, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> test and deploy transport and weapons systems for use
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> I'll speak briefly this evening.
> Best,
> Jud
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jud, > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because nobody mentioned the > > USMC.
> > Chris
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> No.
> >> Here is my key.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > No.
> >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval Service, and I take > >> > comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> >> :) > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would bring up this issue > >> >> on > >> >> Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the THS to be > >> >> serving any > >> >> kind of military op. I would have asked for my membership money back... > >> >> and > >> >> torch the place.
> >> >>> But we would loose > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> >>> Totti
> >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > >> >>> > educational, > >> >>> > socially useful purpose...
> >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to turn kids into > >> >>> > braindead > >> >>> > assassins, it should at least be done somewhere else, like the > >> >>> > secret > >> >>> > dungeon.
> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish people in the > >> >>> >> space.
> >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless what the > >> >>> >> affiliation > >> >>> >> is, > >> >>> >> we're renters and not accepting charity. I'd prefer not to perform > >> >>> >> extensive > >> >>> >> background checks on landlords since that's a privacy issue. If > >> >>> >> something > >> >>> >> is > >> >>> >> amiss and we're suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", > >> >>> >> then > >> >>> >> I'm > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that something is > >> >>> >> amiss. > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Torsten > >> >>> >> > Wagner > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > program
> >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a manifesto (and > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and people are > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in this group > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, politics or > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have quite different > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like "All Turkish > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking fools"... > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people about things I or > >> >>> >> > > they > >> >>> >> > > are serious about.
> >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, especially since we > >> >>> >> > >> never > >> >>> >> > >> discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance on weapons design > >> >>> >> > >>> for > >> >>> >> > >>> exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > program
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >> >>> >> > recently made a > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE will receive > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to > >> >>> >> > encourage > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> skills and creativity desperately needed by the US > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web recently > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> regarding various aspects of the MAKE MENTOR > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public withdrawal from > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MakerFaire over the "military money" that MAKE will now > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> have > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> access to. Most of this discussion has consisted of > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud American, > >> >>> >> > and a self- > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in Tokyo, I'd like > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been lost in the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America develop(via the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and inviting > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> them > >> >>> >> > >>> > to become > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >> >>> >> > essential that the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies needed to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> keep > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans safe and to preserve the American Way.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires 15% of the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> world's > >> >>> >> > >>> > energy, and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans > >> >>> >> > >>> > continues > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to rise. To meet this rising demand, we must ensure > >> >>> >> > our energy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> security by safeguarding US oil interests in the Middle > >> >>> >> > >>> > East, and our > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> mineral interests in Africa. MAKE's mentor proposal will > >> >>> >> > >>> > help DARPA > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> and the DoD meet this challenge, enabling them to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> rapidly
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> I'll speak briefly this evening.
> Best,
> Jud
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jud, > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because nobody mentioned > the > > USMC.
> > Chris
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >> No.
> >> Here is my key.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > No.
> >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval Service, and I take > >> > comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> >> :) > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would bring up this > issue > >> >> on > >> >> Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the THS to be > >> >> serving any > >> >> kind of military op. I would have asked for my membership money > back... > >> >> and > >> >> torch the place.
> >> >>> But we would loose > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> >>> Totti
> >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > >> >>> > educational, > >> >>> > socially useful purpose...
> >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to turn kids into > >> >>> > braindead > >> >>> > assassins, it should at least be done somewhere else, like the > >> >>> > secret > >> >>> > dungeon.
> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> > wrote:
> >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish people in the > >> >>> >> space.
> >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless what the > >> >>> >> affiliation > >> >>> >> is, > >> >>> >> we're renters and not accepting charity. I'd prefer not to > perform > >> >>> >> extensive > >> >>> >> background checks on landlords since that's a privacy issue. If > >> >>> >> something > >> >>> >> is > >> >>> >> amiss and we're suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", > >> >>> >> then > >> >>> >> I'm > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that something is > >> >>> >> amiss. > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Torsten > >> >>> >> > Wagner > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > program
> >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a manifesto (and > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and people are > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in this group > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, politics or > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have quite different > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like "All Turkish > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking fools"... > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor <jud.tay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people about things I > or > >> >>> >> > > they > >> >>> >> > > are serious about.
> >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, especially since we > >> >>> >> > >> never > >> >>> >> > >> discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance on weapons > design > >> >>> >> > >>> for > >> >>> >> > >>> exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for the DARPA > MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > program
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >> >>> >> > recently made a > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE will receive > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to > >> >>> >> > encourage > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> skills and creativity desperately needed by the US > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web recently > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> regarding various aspects of the MAKE MENTOR > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public withdrawal > from > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MakerFaire over the "military money" that MAKE will > now > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> have > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> access to. Most of this discussion has consisted of > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud American, > >> >>> >> > and a self- > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in Tokyo, I'd > like > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been lost in the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America develop(via the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and inviting > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> them > >> >>> >> > >>> > to become > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >> >>> >> > essential that the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies needed > to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> keep > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans safe and to preserve the American Way.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires 15% of the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> world's > >> >>> >> > >>> > energy, and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans > >> >>> >> > >>> > continues > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to rise. To meet this rising demand, we must ensure > >> >>> >> > our energy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> security by safeguarding US oil interests in the > Middle > >> >>> >> > >>> > East, and our > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> mineral interests in Africa. MAKE's mentor proposal > will > >> >>> >> > >>> > help DARPA > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> and the DoD meet this challenge, enabling them to > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> rapidly > >> >>> >> > >>> > prototype, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> test and deploy
> -----Original Message----- > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> I'll speak briefly this evening.
> Best,
> Jud
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jud, > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because > nobody mentioned > > the USMC.
> > Chris
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> No.
> >> Here is my key.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > No.
> >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval > Service, and I > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> >> :) > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would > bring up this > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the > >> >> THS to be serving any kind of military op. I would have > asked for > >> >> my membership money back... > >> >> and > >> >> torch the place.
> >> >>> But we would loose > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> >>> Totti
> >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > >> >>> > educational, socially useful purpose...
> >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to > turn kids > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done > somewhere > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba > <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish > people in the > >> >>> >> space.
> >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless > what the > >> >>> >> affiliation is, we're renters and not accepting > charity. I'd > >> >>> >> prefer not to perform extensive background checks > on landlords > >> >>> >> since that's a privacy issue. If something is amiss > and we're > >> >>> >> suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", then I'm > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that > something is > >> >>> >> amiss. > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> >>> >> > Torsten Wagner > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the > DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > program
> >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a > manifesto (and > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and > people are > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in > this group > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, > politics > >> >>> >> > or > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have > quite different > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like > "All Turkish > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking > fools"... > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people > about things > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, > especially since we > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance > on weapons > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf > >> >>> >> > >>> > Of > >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for > the DARPA > >> >>> >> > >>> > MENTOR program
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >> >>> >> > recently made a > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE > will receive > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects > Agency (DARPA) > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to > >> >>> >> > encourage > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical skills and creativity > desperately needed > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> by the US > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> recently regarding various aspects of the MAKE > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public > withdrawal > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> from MakerFaire over the "military > money" that MAKE > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> will now have access to. Most of this discussion > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> has consisted of > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud > American, > >> >>> >> > and a self- > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in > Tokyo, I'd > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> like > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been > lost in the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America > develop(via > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> the MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> inviting them > >> >>> >> > >>> > to become > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >> >>> >> > essential that the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> needed to keep Americans safe and to > preserve the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> American Way.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> For example, the US currently requires > 15% of the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> world's > >> >>> >> > >>> > energy, and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> we will need more as the living standard of all > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Americans
________________________________ From: Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: RE: [THS:16528] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
Wait, hold on a sec. What would we do without your...ummm...without your...uhhhh. Hmmm, this is awkward. I'll just wait for your speech.
> -----Original Message----- > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> I'll speak briefly this evening.
> Best,
> Jud
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jud, > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because > nobody mentioned > > the USMC.
> > Chris
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> No.
> >> Here is my key.
> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > No.
> >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval > Service, and I > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> >> :) > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would > bring up this > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the > >> >> THS to be serving any kind of military op. I would have > asked for > >> >> my membership money back... > >> >> and > >> >> torch the place.
> >> >>> But we would loose > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> >>> Totti
> >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > >> >>> > educational, socially useful purpose...
> >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to > turn kids > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done > somewhere > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba > <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish > people in the > >> >>> >> space.
> >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless > what the > >> >>> >> affiliation is, we're renters and not accepting > charity. I'd > >> >>> >> prefer not to perform extensive background checks > on landlords > >> >>> >> since that's a privacy issue. If something is amiss > and we're > >> >>> >> suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", then I'm > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that > something is > >> >>> >> amiss. > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> >>> >> > Torsten Wagner > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the > DARPA MENTOR > >> >>> >> > program
> >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a > manifesto (and > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and > people are > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in > this group > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, > politics > >> >>> >> > or > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have > quite different > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like > "All Turkish > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking > fools"... > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people > about things > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, > especially since we > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance > on weapons > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >> >>> >> > >>> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf > >> >>> >> > >>> > Of > >> >>> >> > Jud Taylor > >> >>> >> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:05 AM > >> >>> >> > >>> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> >>> >> > >>> > Subject: Re: [THS:16453] MAKE proposal for > the DARPA > >> >>> >> > >>> > MENTOR program
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Great.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Come for the brains.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Stay for the laughs.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > Well done.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > >> >>> >> > recently made a > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE > will receive > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects > Agency (DARPA) > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to > >> >>> >> > encourage > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical skills and creativity > desperately needed > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> by the US > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> recently regarding various aspects of the MAKE > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public > withdrawal > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> from MakerFaire over the "military > money" that MAKE > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> will now have access to. Most of this discussion > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> has consisted of > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud > American, > >> >>> >> > and a self- > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in > Tokyo, I'd > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> like > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been > lost in the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> debate.
> >> >>> >> > >>> > >> By helping the young people of America > develop(via > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> the MENTOR > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> program) the ability to make new things and > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> inviting them > >> >>> >> > >>> > to become > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> makers, MAKE is playing a vital role. It is > >> >>> >> > essential that the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> DoD has access to the people and technologies > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> needed to keep Americans safe and to > preserve the > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> American Way.
> > -----Original Message----- > > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Taylor > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM > > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> > I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> > I'll speak briefly this evening.
> > Best,
> > Jud
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon > > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jud, > > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because > > nobody mentioned > > > the USMC.
> > > Chris
> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> No.
> > >> Here is my key.
> > >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > No.
> > >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> > >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval > > Service, and I > > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> > >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele > > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> > >> >> :) > > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would > > bring up this > > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the > > >> >> THS to be serving any kind of military op. I would have > > asked for > > >> >> my membership money back... > > >> >> and > > >> >> torch the place.
> > >> >>> But we would loose > > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> > >> >>> Totti
> > >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> > >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining, > > >> >>> > educational, socially useful purpose...
> > >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to > > turn kids > > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done > > somewhere > > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba > > <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> > >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish > > people in the > > >> >>> >> space.
> > >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless > > what the > > >> >>> >> affiliation is, we're renters and not accepting > > charity. I'd > > >> >>> >> prefer not to perform extensive background checks > > on landlords > > >> >>> >> since that's a privacy issue. If something is amiss > > and we're > > >> >>> >> suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", then I'm > > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that > > something is > > >> >>> >> amiss. > > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> > >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > >> >>> >> > Torsten Wagner > > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM > > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the > > DARPA MENTOR > > >> >>> >> > program
> > >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> > >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a > > manifesto (and > > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this > > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and > > people are > > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in > > this group > > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, > > politics > > >> >>> >> > or > > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware > > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have > > quite different > > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like > > "All Turkish > > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking > > fools"... > > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> > >> >>> >> > Totti
> > >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> > >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people > > about things > > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> > >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> > >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> > >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, > > especially since we > > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> > >> >>> >> > >> c
> > >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> > >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance > > on weapons > > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon > > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media) > > >> >>> >> > recently made a > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE > > will receive > > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects > > Agency (DARPA) > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to > > >> >>> >> > encourage > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical skills and creativity > > desperately needed > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> by the US > > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> recently regarding various aspects of the MAKE > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR > > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public > > withdrawal > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> from MakerFaire over the "military > > money" that MAKE > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> will now have access to. Most of this discussion > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> has consisted of > > >> >>> >> > hyperbole, > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and > > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud > > American, > > >> >>> >> > and a self- > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in > > Tokyo, I'd > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> like > > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been > > lost in
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Taylor
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM
> > > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> > > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> > > I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last few days.
> > > I'll speak briefly this evening.
> > > Best,
> > > Jud
> > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon
> > > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Jud,
> > > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you leave THS?
> > > > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because
> > > nobody mentioned
> > > > the USMC.
> > > > Chris
> > > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor
> > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> No.
> > > >> Here is my key.
> > > >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor
> > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > No.
> > > >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> > > >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval
> > > Service, and I
> > > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> > > >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele
> > > <him...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> > > >> >> :)
> > > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would
> > > bring up this
> > > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a chance for the
> > > >> >> THS to be serving any kind of military op. I would have
> > > asked for
> > > >> >> my membership money back...
> > > >> >> and
> > > >> >> torch the place.
> > > >> >>> But we would loose
> > > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> > > >> >>> Totti
> > > >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> > > >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, entertaining,
> > > >> >>> > educational, socially useful purpose...
> > > >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to
> > > turn kids
> > > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done
> > > somewhere
> > > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> > > >> >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Akiba
> > > <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> I agree with Torsten. We shouldn't allow Turkish
> > > people in the
> > > >> >>> >> space.
> > > >> >>> >> As for the new space, Lauren is correct. Regardless
> > > what the
> > > >> >>> >> affiliation is, we're renters and not accepting
> > > charity. I'd
> > > >> >>> >> prefer not to perform extensive background checks
> > > on landlords
> > > >> >>> >> since that's a privacy issue. If something is amiss
> > > and we're
> > > >> >>> >> suddenly asked to assist in "special projects", then I'm
> > > >> >>> >> pretty sure we're smart enough to figure out that
> > > something is
> > > >> >>> >> amiss.
> > > >> >>> >> Otherwise, we can simply ask Jack Bailey.
> > > >> >>> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>> >> > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> > > >> >>> >> > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >> >>> >> > Torsten Wagner
> > > >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:33 AM
> > > >> >>> >> > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> > > >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [THS:16462] MAKE proposal for the
> > > DARPA MENTOR
> > > >> >>> >> > program
> > > >> >>> >> > Hehehe...
> > > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately.
> > > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> > > >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part.
> > > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a
> > > manifesto (and
> > > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for this
> > > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and
> > > people are
> > > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues.
> > > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in
> > > this group
> > > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion,
> > > politics
> > > >> >>> >> > or
> > > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table.
> > > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be aware
> > > >> >>> >> > that members of such a divers group can have
> > > quite different
> > > >> >>> >> > meanings about it.
> > > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like
> > > "All Turkish
> > > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking
> > > fools"...
> > > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> > > >> >>> >> > Totti
> > > >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor
> > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> > > >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people
> > > about things
> > > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> > > >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> > > >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> > > >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon
> > > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought,
> > > especially since we
> > > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> > > >> >>> >> > >> c
> > > >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance
> > > on weapons
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that attack karamoon.
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Chris Shannon
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > > Karamoon false flag op
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > > On Friday, April 13, 2012, Jack Bailey wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Hi Guys,
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Long time lurker, first time poster!
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As many of you will know, MAKE (O'Reilly Media)
> > > >> >>> >> > recently made a
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> successful DARPA MENTOR proposal. MAKE
> > > will receive
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > funding from the
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> Defense Advanced Research Projects
> > > Agency (DARPA)
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> to
> > > >> >>> >> > encourage
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> US schools to engage more kids in acquiring the
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> technical skills and creativity
> > > desperately needed
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> by the US
> > > >> >>> >> > Department Of Defense.
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> There has been a lot of discussion on the web
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> recently regarding various aspects of the MAKE
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> MENTOR
> > > >> >>> >> > proposal, partly
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> because of Mitchell Altman's very public
> > > withdrawal
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> from MakerFaire over the "military
> > > money" that MAKE
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> will now have access to. Most of this discussion
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> has consisted of
> > > >> >>> >> > hyperbole,
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> disinformation and
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > conspiracy
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> theories.
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> As a former employee of the DoD, a proud
> > > American,
> > > >> >>> >> > and a self-
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> confessed hacker/tinkerer/maker based in
> > > Tokyo, I'd
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> like
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > to point out
> > > >> >>> >> > >>> > >> a few realities that seem to have been
> > > lost in
Personally, I thought the mansistor was sexist. There's no mention of womansistors, hermaphrosistors, or transgensistors. I was appalled. 21st century, people!
> -----Original Message----- > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MRE > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:00 PM > To: TokyoHackerSpace > Subject: [THS:16532] Re: MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> Seriously, hackerspaces te world over learn of the family of > components you created.
> On Apr 17, 4:40 pm, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I thought it was Mansistor!
> > c
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Taylan Ayken > <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> > > Card-duino is the item you are looking for
> > > ------------------------------ > > > *From:* Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> > > > *To:* tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:57 PM > > > *Subject:* RE: [THS:16528] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > > > program
> > > Wait, hold on a sec. What would we do without > your...ummm...without > > > your...uhhhh. Hmmm, this is awkward. > > > I'll just wait for your speech.
> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > > > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jud Taylor > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM > > > > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > > > > program
> > > > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> > > > I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last > few days.
> > > > I'll speak briefly this evening.
> > > > Best,
> > > > Jud
> > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon > > > > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Jud, > > > > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you > leave THS?
> > > > > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because > > > > nobody mentioned > > > > > the USMC.
> > > > > Chris
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor > > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> No.
> > > > >> Here is my key.
> > > > >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor > > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > No.
> > > > >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
> > > > >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval > > > > Service, and I > > > > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> > > > >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele > > > > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> > > > >> >> :) > > > > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would > > > > bring up this > > > > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a > chance for > > > > >> >> the THS to be serving any kind of military op. I > would have > > > > asked for > > > > >> >> my membership money back... > > > > >> >> and > > > > >> >> torch the place.
> > > > >> >>> But we would loose > > > > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> > > > >> >>> Totti
> > > > >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> > > > >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, > > > > >> >>> > entertaining, educational, socially useful purpose...
> > > > >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to > > > > turn kids > > > > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done > > > > somewhere > > > > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> > > > >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > > > > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > > > > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> > > > >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > > > > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a > > > > manifesto (and > > > > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for > > > > >> >>> >> > this > > > > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and > > > > people are > > > > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > > > > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in > > > > this group > > > > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, > > > > politics > > > > >> >>> >> > or > > > > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > > > > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be > > > > >> >>> >> > aware that members of such a divers group can have > > > > quite different > > > > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > > > > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like > > > > "All Turkish > > > > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking > > > > fools"... > > > > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> > > > >> >>> >> > Totti
> > > > >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor > > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> > > > >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people > > > > about things > > > > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> > > > >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> > > > >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> > > > >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > > > > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, > > > > especially since we > > > > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> > > > >> >>> >> > >> c
> > > > >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance > > > > on weapons > > > > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that > attack karamoon.
No-name company (actually, companies) decides to appropriate the name and brand Arduiino, a brand trusted by many. The goal of the no-name company is to be taken more seriously.
This works for short periods, but soon the people getting duped catch on.
This pisses those people off, even to the point in some cases of not trusting Arduino, and, apocryphally, to quit their pursuit of electronics as a hobby.
Open source hardware afficianados take enough offense at the duplicity to state unequivically "Cloning ain’t cool".
PERSONally, I'm not sure why they got all bent out of shape.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote: > Personally, I thought the mansistor was sexist. There's no mention of > womansistors, hermaphrosistors, or transgensistors. I was appalled. 21st > century, people!
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MRE >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:00 PM >> To: TokyoHackerSpace >> Subject: [THS:16532] Re: MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
>> Seriously, hackerspaces te world over learn of the family of >> components you created.
>> On Apr 17, 4:40 pm, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I thought it was Mansistor!
>> > c
>> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Taylan Ayken >> <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>> > > Card-duino is the item you are looking for
>> > > ------------------------------ >> > > *From:* Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> >> > > *To:* tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:57 PM >> > > *Subject:* RE: [THS:16528] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR >> > > program
>> > > Wait, hold on a sec. What would we do without >> your...ummm...without >> > > your...uhhhh. Hmmm, this is awkward. >> > > I'll just wait for your speech.
>> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> > > > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of >> Jud Taylor >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM >> > > > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com >> > > > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR >> > > > program
>> > > > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
>> > > > I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last >> few days.
>> > > > I'll speak briefly this evening.
>> > > > Best,
>> > > > Jud
>> > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon >> > > > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > Jud, >> > > > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you >> leave THS?
>> > > > > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because >> > > > nobody mentioned >> > > > > the USMC.
>> > > > > Chris
>> > > > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor >> > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> No.
>> > > > >> Here is my key.
>> > > > >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jud Taylor >> > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > No.
>> > > > >> > Fuck You Kamaroon.
>> > > > >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval >> > > > Service, and I >> > > > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
>> > > > >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele >> > > > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
>> > > > >> >> :) >> > > > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would >> > > > bring up this >> > > > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a >> chance for >> > > > >> >> the THS to be serving any kind of military op. I >> would have >> > > > asked for >> > > > >> >> my membership money back... >> > > > >> >> and >> > > > >> >> torch the place.
>> > > > >> >>> But we would loose >> > > > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
>> > > > >> >>> Totti
>> > > > >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
>> > > > >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, >> > > > >> >>> > entertaining, educational, socially useful purpose...
>> > > > >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to >> > > > turn kids >> > > > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done >> > > > somewhere >> > > > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > Hehehe... >> > > > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. >> > > > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. >> > > > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a >> > > > manifesto (and >> > > > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for >> > > > >> >>> >> > this >> > > > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and >> > > > people are >> > > > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. >> > > > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in >> > > > this group >> > > > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, >> > > > politics >> > > > >> >>> >> > or >> > > > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. >> > > > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be >> > > > >> >>> >> > aware that members of such a divers group can have >> > > > quite different >> > > > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. >> > > > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like >> > > > "All Turkish >> > > > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking >> > > > fools"... >> > > > >> >>> >> > just as an example
>> > > > >> >>> >> > Totti
>> > > > >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor >> > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people >> > > > about things >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon >> > > > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, >> > > > especially since we >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
>> > > > >> >>> >> > >> c
>> > > > >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance >> > > > on weapons >> > > > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that >> attack karamoon.
> No-name company (actually, companies) decides to appropriate the name > and brand Arduiino, a brand trusted by many. The goal of the no-name > company is to be taken more seriously.
> This works for short periods, but soon the people getting duped catch on.
> This pisses those people off, even to the point in some cases of not > trusting Arduino, and, apocryphally, to quit their pursuit of > electronics as a hobby.
> Open source hardware afficianados take enough offense at the duplicity > to state unequivically "Cloning ain’t cool".
> PERSONally, I'm not sure why they got all bent out of shape.
> Anyway, not sure why I thought of it...
> A,AA,FYK
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> wrote: > > Personally, I thought the mansistor was sexist. There's no mention of > > womansistors, hermaphrosistors, or transgensistors. I was appalled. 21st > > century, people!
> >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MRE > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:00 PM > >> To: TokyoHackerSpace > >> Subject: [THS:16532] Re: MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR program
> >> Seriously, hackerspaces te world over learn of the family of > >> components you created.
> >> On Apr 17, 4:40 pm, Chris Shannon <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > I thought it was Mansistor!
> >> > c
> >> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Taylan Ayken > >> <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> > > Card-duino is the item you are looking for
> >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > *From:* Akiba <ch...@freaklabs.org> > >> > > *To:* tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:57 PM > >> > > *Subject:* RE: [THS:16528] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> > > program
> >> > > Wait, hold on a sec. What would we do without > >> your...ummm...without > >> > > your...uhhhh. Hmmm, this is awkward. > >> > > I'll just wait for your speech.
> >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > From: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> > > > [mailto:tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > >> Jud Taylor > >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:56 PM > >> > > > To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com > >> > > > Subject: Re: [THS:16523] MAKE proposal for the DARPA MENTOR > >> > > > program
> >> > > > Lauren, Chris, MRE, others,
> >> > > > I've been quite upset at others and myself for the last > >> few days.
> >> > > > I'll speak briefly this evening.
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > > Jud
> >> > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Chris Shannon > >> > > > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > Jud, > >> > > > > I dont understand why you turned in your key. Did you > >> leave THS?
> >> > > > > if so, I dont understand why, surely it wasnt because > >> > > > nobody mentioned > >> > > > > the USMC.
> >> > > > > Chris
> >> > > > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jud Taylor > >> > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > I am an officer of the U.S. Military, in the Naval > >> > > > Service, and I > >> > > > >> > take comments by or about them seriously.
> >> > > > >> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mikele > >> > > > <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> >> we just need to make sure the dungeon is really secret.
> >> > > > >> >> :) > >> > > > >> >> I said that, because I went to bed thinking I would > >> > > > bring up this > >> > > > >> >> issue on Tuesday meeting and if there was even a > >> chance for > >> > > > >> >> the THS to be serving any kind of military op. I > >> would have > >> > > > asked for > >> > > > >> >> my membership money back... > >> > > > >> >> and > >> > > > >> >> torch the place.
> >> > > > >> >>> But we would loose > >> > > > >> >>> Akiba, Taylan and for sure MRE ;)
> >> > > > >> >>> Totti
> >> > > > >> >>> On 14 April 2012 11:54, Mikele <him...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> >>> > a THS manifesto seems a good idea.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Limit the use of the space only for peaceful, > >> > > > >> >>> > entertaining, educational, socially useful purpose...
> >> > > > >> >>> > if members wants to build a mind control ray gun to > >> > > > turn kids > >> > > > >> >>> > into braindead assassins, it should at least be done > >> > > > somewhere > >> > > > >> >>> > else, like the secret dungeon.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > Hehehe... > >> > > > >> >>> >> > I knew why I did not responds immediately. > >> > > > >> >>> >> > This was to fishy.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > As for the serious discussion part. > >> > > > >> >>> >> > Maybe somewhere, a hackerspace should have a > >> > > > manifesto (and > >> > > > >> >>> >> > part of it should be send as email-confirmation for > >> > > > >> >>> >> > this > >> > > > >> >>> >> > list) which pretty much say that all nations and > >> > > > people are > >> > > > >> >>> >> > welcome independent of any current political issues. > >> > > > >> >>> >> > That includes that you might piss off people in > >> > > > this group > >> > > > >> >>> >> > trying to put any sensitive topic (like religion, > >> > > > politics > >> > > > >> >>> >> > or > >> > > > >> >>> >> > AKB48) onto the table. > >> > > > >> >>> >> > Not that we shouldn't discuss them but we should be > >> > > > >> >>> >> > aware that members of such a divers group can have > >> > > > quite different > >> > > > >> >>> >> > meanings about it. > >> > > > >> >>> >> > Thus, think twice before you write things like > >> > > > "All Turkish > >> > > > >> >>> >> > hackers are Kebab eating, Turkish coffee drinking > >> > > > fools"... > >> > > > >> >>> >> > just as an example
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > Totti
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > On 14 April 2012 11:23, Jud Taylor > >> > > > <jud.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I'll be blunt for once.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I take joy in confronting intelligent people > >> > > > about things > >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I or they are serious about.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I also like a good laugh.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I despise assholes.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Chris Shannon > >> > > > >> >>> >> > <cshan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> it was a useful discussion i thought, > >> > > > especially since we > >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> never discussed Mitch's public stmts on Make.
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> c
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Akiba wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> >> > >>> Very nice. Perhaps I should alter my stance > >> > > > on weapons > >> > > > >> >>> >> > >>> design for exceptions on devices that > >> attack karamoon.
