Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
access 24 hour door lock access.
Thanks
Let me know if you have any questions.
The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
> me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
> will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
> You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
> evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
> following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
> tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
> prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
> dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
> access 24 hour door lock access.
> Thanks
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
> issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
> key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
> to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:45:05 PM UTC+11, lshannon wrote:
> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring > me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this > will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo) > You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs. > evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the > following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there > tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will > prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your > dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all > access 24 hour door lock access.
> Thanks > Let me know if you have any questions.
> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are > issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular > key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me > to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
Is this not something that can be done at the space?
I'd rather not give up my commuter pass on a workday. If I could
register it on Weds when I'm there anyway, it would be nice.
Does it need to be strictly a PASSMO or plain Suica? I have an Icoca
and a Rinkai Suica (http://www.twr.co.jp/fare/suica.html) I could give
instead.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
> me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
> will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
> You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
> evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
> following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
> tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
> prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
> dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
> access 24 hour door lock access.
> Thanks
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
> issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
> key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
> to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
> :) This sounds like the perfect scam to empty Suica cards :)
> [Not a member... just a lurker...] :)
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:45:05 PM UTC+11, lshannon wrote:
> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring > me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this > will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo) > You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs. > evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the > following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there > tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will > prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your > dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all > access 24 hour door lock access.
> Thanks > Let me know if you have any questions.
> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are > issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular > key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me > to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
> Is this not something that can be done at the space?
> I'd rather not give up my commuter pass on a workday. If I could
> register it on Weds when I'm there anyway, it would be nice.
> Does it need to be strictly a PASSMO or plain Suica? I have an Icoca
> and a Rinkai Suica (http://www.twr.co.jp/fare/suica.html) I could give
> instead.
> --Richard
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
>> me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
>> will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
>> You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
>> evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
>> following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
>> tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
>> prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
>> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
>> dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
>> access 24 hour door lock access.
>> Thanks
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
>> issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
>> key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
>> to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
>> Thanks
>> Lauren
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Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
________________________________
From: Lauren Shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
To: "tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com" <tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com> Cc: "tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com" <tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [THS:20991] FINALLY! digital lock at space
Any kind of suica I think or basic pasmo
and nope has to be done on thurs but you can get me your card by thurs 12 noon you can keep it on you till then
You could use an old card if you Hv one ? Then keep that just for Ths
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2012, at 18:07, Richard Frankum <richard.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is this not something that can be done at the space?
> I'd rather not give up my commuter pass on a workday. If I could
> register it on Weds when I'm there anyway, it would be nice.
> Does it need to be strictly a PASSMO or plain Suica? I have an Icoca
> and a Rinkai Suica (http://www.twr.co.jp/fare/suica.html) I could give
> instead.
> --Richard
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
>> me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
>> will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
>> You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
>> evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
>> following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
>> tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
>> prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
>> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
>> dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
>> access 24 hour door lock access.
>> Thanks
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
>> issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
>> key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
>> to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
>> Thanks
>> Lauren
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> :) This sounds like the perfect scam to empty Suica cards :)
> [Not a member... just a lurker...] :)
> On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:45:05 PM UTC+11, lshannon wrote:
>> Dear paying members of THS- tomorrow night at the meeting please bring
>> me a pasmo or Suica card. You will need to leave it with me and this
>> will be issued as the digital lock key (it also still works as pasmo)
>> You will need to leave it with me and it will be registered by thurs.
>> evening then you can either pick it up at Kimono or pick it up at the
>> following tues meeting. If you are a paid member and will not be there
>> tomorrow let me know and I will get a passmo card for you- and will
>> prepare it for next week or your next time at the space.
>> If you are NOT a paid member- now's a great time to join. bring your
>> dues and a passmo card tomorrow night and we will sort out your all
>> access 24 hour door lock access.
>> Thanks
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>> The digital lock will be turned on as of next week, after cards are
>> issued. from that time on the manual lock will not work. So regular
>> key will not work. So make sure you bring a pasmo or suica card for me
>> to register tomorrow or sometime before thurs. at 1pm
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use
> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
registration/unregistartion?
Who will have access to the access logs?
Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
kind of discouraging.
If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
extra card too.
other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
the list tomorrow.
basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
sep. one for you.
No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
access files if we like when we like and then share with the
membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
to handle when people join.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use
>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
> registration/unregistartion?
> Who will have access to the access logs?
> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
> Kalin.
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I think nobody was going to discourage you. Just from your first post
it sounded like members HAVE to bring an own card.
Thus, I guess many members were thinking how they should get a card so
quickly resp. how to deal with the week of absence of there daily used
cards.
If there are an option to just get a separate card.... problem solved.
For all you who do not have those card system in there phones. If you
use a mobile phone cover, chance are high that with a little bit of
modification the card would nicely fit in-between your mobile phone
and the case. With a little more work (one would need to study where
are the vital parts of the card) it even might fit in the battery
compartment of the phone. That is the way how I keep different SIM
cards for different countries and never forget to take them with me on
travel.
Totti
On 6 November 2012 08:05, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
> kind of discouraging.
> If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
> if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
> for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
> having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
> makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
> extra card too.
> other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
> the list tomorrow.
> basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
> you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
> sep. one for you.
> No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
> but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
> all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
> we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
> is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
> so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
> make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
> access files if we like when we like and then share with the
> membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
> is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
> registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
> someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
> to handle when people join.
> See everyone tonight. Stay dry.
> Lauren
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use
>>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
>> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
>> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
>> registration/unregistartion?
>> Who will have access to the access logs?
>> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
>> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
>> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
>> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
>> Kalin.
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> I think nobody was going to discourage you. Just from your first post
> it sounded like members HAVE to bring an own card.
> Thus, I guess many members were thinking how they should get a card so
> quickly resp. how to deal with the week of absence of there daily used
> cards.
> If there are an option to just get a separate card.... problem solved.
> For all you who do not have those card system in there phones. If you
> use a mobile phone cover, chance are high that with a little bit of
> modification the card would nicely fit in-between your mobile phone
> and the case. With a little more work (one would need to study where
> are the vital parts of the card) it even might fit in the battery
> compartment of the phone. That is the way how I keep different SIM
> cards for different countries and never forget to take them with me on
> travel.
> Totti
> On 6 November 2012 08:05, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
>> kind of discouraging.
>> If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
>> if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
>> for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
>> having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
>> makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
>> extra card too.
>> other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
>> the list tomorrow.
>> basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
>> you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
>> sep. one for you.
>> No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
>> but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
>> all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
>> we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
>> is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
>> so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
>> make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
>> access files if we like when we like and then share with the
>> membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
>> is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
>> registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
>> someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
>> to handle when people join.
>> See everyone tonight. Stay dry.
>> Lauren
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>>>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use
>>>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
>>> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
>>> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
>>> registration/unregistartion?
>>> Who will have access to the access logs?
>>> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
>>> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
>>> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
>>> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
>>> Kalin.
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I guess my e-mail had the negative tone, so here is a clarification (although Totti smoothed out the things a little :) ) mail.
My main concern is twofold: Possible interference of multiple cards and people separating from their cards for a long time. First one is all about engineering and my own curiosity about RFID, second one is a social problem. In detail:
- Interference: Our OWN system was going to use 125 kHz cards, Suica/Passmo uses 13.56 MHz which means there are no interferences. You could've carried both cards in your wallet and just swipe them, 125 kHz card was the one that will be read and used. Now we have two cards that you cannot carry next to each other. Which can turn into a card loss problem. Key fobs and keys can be attached to your key chain to prevent losses. Cards have to be put inside your wallet or some other container. Which leads to interference problem, that is why people want to use their own cards I believe (at least that is the reason for me).
- Separation: Suica/Pasmo cards are convenient, really f*cking convenient. + We have our commuter passes attached to it (I don't have one but had one). Thus it is inconvenient and sometimes impossible for people to separate from them for about a week. And there is the phone aspect that I never thought about, thanks Kalin!
I can come on Thursday around 1 pm, so my problems are solved. I am a happy little hacker now. Dry and procrastinating at home and happy.
Hopefully see y'all tonight! Not you Totti, you are an emacs user :P
Taylan
________________________________
From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [THS:21003] FINALLY! digital lock at space
Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
kind of discouraging.
If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
extra card too.
other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
the list tomorrow.
basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
sep. one for you.
No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
access files if we like when we like and then share with the
membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
to handle when people join.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I use
>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
> registration/unregistartion?
> Who will have access to the access logs?
> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
> Kalin.
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Ok. One request, please come at 1pm NOT Late- the admin person will be
there to help us from 1- until we finish the cards on hand. So if you
want to do it in person yourself. please come on thurs. at 1 exactly.
- I'm looking at you taylan since you are usually late ;-) and you
said "About" one which makes me nervous.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess my e-mail had the negative tone, so here is a clarification
> (although Totti smoothed out the things a little :) ) mail.
> My main concern is twofold: Possible interference of multiple cards and
> people separating from their cards for a long time. First one is all about
> engineering and my own curiosity about RFID, second one is a social problem.
> In detail:
> - Interference: Our OWN system was going to use 125 kHz cards, Suica/Passmo
> uses 13.56 MHz which means there are no interferences. You could've carried
> both cards in your wallet and just swipe them, 125 kHz card was the one that
> will be read and used. Now we have two cards that you cannot carry next to
> each other. Which can turn into a card loss problem. Key fobs and keys can
> be attached to your key chain to prevent losses. Cards have to be put inside
> your wallet or some other container. Which leads to interference problem,
> that is why people want to use their own cards I believe (at least that is
> the reason for me).
> - Separation: Suica/Pasmo cards are convenient, really f*cking convenient. +
> We have our commuter passes attached to it (I don't have one but had one).
> Thus it is inconvenient and sometimes impossible for people to separate from
> them for about a week. And there is the phone aspect that I never thought
> about, thanks Kalin!
> I can come on Thursday around 1 pm, so my problems are solved. I am a happy
> little hacker now. Dry and procrastinating at home and happy.
> Hopefully see y'all tonight! Not you Totti, you are an emacs user :P
> Taylan
> ________________________________
> From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [THS:21003] FINALLY! digital lock at space
> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
> kind of discouraging.
> If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
> if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
> for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
> having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
> makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
> extra card too.
> other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
> the list tomorrow.
> basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
> you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
> sep. one for you.
> No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
> but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
> all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
> we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
> is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
> so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
> make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
> access files if we like when we like and then share with the
> membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
> is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
> registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
> someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
> to handle when people join.
> See everyone tonight. Stay dry.
> Lauren
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I
>>> use
>>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
>> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
>> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
>> registration/unregistartion?
>> Who will have access to the access logs?
>> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
>> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
>> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
>> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
>> Kalin.
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With Japanese people, I am there before the meeting time. With gaijins, my Mediterranean blood kicks in and suddenly I am relaxed. Ask Mikele, he should know! :D
If I am not there AT 1 pm, consider me not coming, probably alien abduction.
________________________________
From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [THS:21007] FINALLY! digital lock at space
Ok. One request, please come at 1pm NOT Late- the admin person will be
there to help us from 1- until we finish the cards on hand. So if you
want to do it in person yourself. please come on thurs. at 1 exactly.
- I'm looking at you taylan since you are usually late ;-) and you
said "About" one which makes me nervous.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess my e-mail had the negative tone, so here is a clarification
> (although Totti smoothed out the things a little :) ) mail.
> My main concern is twofold: Possible interference of multiple cards and
> people separating from their cards for a long time. First one is all about
> engineering and my own curiosity about RFID, second one is a social problem.
> In detail:
> - Interference: Our OWN system was going to use 125 kHz cards, Suica/Passmo
> uses 13.56 MHz which means there are no interferences. You could've carried
> both cards in your wallet and just swipe them, 125 kHz card was the one that
> will be read and used. Now we have two cards that you cannot carry next to
> each other. Which can turn into a card loss problem. Key fobs and keys can
> be attached to your key chain to prevent losses. Cards have to be put inside
> your wallet or some other container. Which leads to interference problem,
> that is why people want to use their own cards I believe (at least that is
> the reason for me).
> - Separation: Suica/Pasmo cards are convenient, really f*cking convenient. +
> We have our commuter passes attached to it (I don't have one but had one).
> Thus it is inconvenient and sometimes impossible for people to separate from
> them for about a week. And there is the phone aspect that I never thought
> about, thanks Kalin!
> I can come on Thursday around 1 pm, so my problems are solved. I am a happy
> little hacker now. Dry and procrastinating at home and happy.
> Hopefully see y'all tonight! Not you Totti, you are an emacs user :P
> Taylan
> ________________________________
> From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [THS:21003] FINALLY! digital lock at space
> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
> kind of discouraging.
> If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
> if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
> for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
> having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
> makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
> extra card too.
> other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
> the list tomorrow.
> basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
> you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
> sep. one for you.
> No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
> but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
> all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
> we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
> is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
> so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
> make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
> access files if we like when we like and then share with the
> membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
> is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
> registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
> someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
> to handle when people join.
> See everyone tonight. Stay dry.
> Lauren
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on Thursday
>>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I
>>> use
>>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
>> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
>> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
>> registration/unregistartion?
>> Who will have access to the access logs?
>> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
>> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
>> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
>> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
>> Kalin.
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With Japanese people, I am there before the meeting time. With gaijins, my
> Mediterranean blood kicks in and suddenly I am relaxed. Ask Mikele, he
> should know! :D
> If I am not there AT 1 pm, consider me not coming, probably alien abduction.
> ________________________________
> From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [THS:21007] FINALLY! digital lock at space
> Ok. One request, please come at 1pm NOT Late- the admin person will be
> there to help us from 1- until we finish the cards on hand. So if you
> want to do it in person yourself. please come on thurs. at 1 exactly.
> - I'm looking at you taylan since you are usually late ;-) and you
> said "About" one which makes me nervous.
> Thanks
> Lauren
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> I guess my e-mail had the negative tone, so here is a clarification
>> (although Totti smoothed out the things a little :) ) mail.
>> My main concern is twofold: Possible interference of multiple cards and
>> people separating from their cards for a long time. First one is all about
>> engineering and my own curiosity about RFID, second one is a social
>> problem.
>> In detail:
>> - Interference: Our OWN system was going to use 125 kHz cards,
>> Suica/Passmo
>> uses 13.56 MHz which means there are no interferences. You could've
>> carried
>> both cards in your wallet and just swipe them, 125 kHz card was the one
>> that
>> will be read and used. Now we have two cards that you cannot carry next to
>> each other. Which can turn into a card loss problem. Key fobs and keys can
>> be attached to your key chain to prevent losses. Cards have to be put
>> inside
>> your wallet or some other container. Which leads to interference problem,
>> that is why people want to use their own cards I believe (at least that is
>> the reason for me).
>> - Separation: Suica/Pasmo cards are convenient, really f*cking convenient.
>> +
>> We have our commuter passes attached to it (I don't have one but had one).
>> Thus it is inconvenient and sometimes impossible for people to separate
>> from
>> them for about a week. And there is the phone aspect that I never thought
>> about, thanks Kalin!
>> I can come on Thursday around 1 pm, so my problems are solved. I am a
>> happy
>> little hacker now. Dry and procrastinating at home and happy.
>> Hopefully see y'all tonight! Not you Totti, you are an emacs user :P
>> Taylan
>> ________________________________
>> From: lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com>
>> To: tokyohackerspace@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [THS:21003] FINALLY! digital lock at space
>> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
>> kind of discouraging.
>> If we had finished our OWN lock it would have been a sep. ID card- so
>> if you don't want to use your regular one I can just make a sep one
>> for THS for you. This would have been the case anyway. Just like
>> having an extra key not your house key. The suica/@passmo thing just
>> makes it easier for folks who want it one one card. But we can make an
>> extra card too.
>> other questions can be asked tonight I guess or I will follow up on
>> the list tomorrow.
>> basically we will register a first BATCH of cards on thurs. at 1pm If
>> you don't want to use your commuter card for this- I will just make a
>> sep. one for you.
>> No they are not charging us a fee for the cards
>> but to make it easier for the person in charge I agreed to do a batch
>> all at one time. for the first time and then we can do other ones as
>> we need going forward but we have to coordinate with their team (who
>> is just over at hikarie across from shibuya station so no big deal)
>> so for any paid member who doesn't bring a card tonight I can just
>> make a sep. one for you. and issue next week. our board can see the
>> access files if we like when we like and then share with the
>> membership. It will just include names not phone #s or other info That
>> is just for emergencies. THS will also have a few extra cards
>> registered for short term guests (1-2 mons) or for registering when
>> someone joins or other emergency needs. We will keep some extra ones
>> to handle when people join.
>> See everyone tonight. Stay dry.
>> Lauren
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Taylan Ayken <taylan_ay...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Same thing here, can you ask them if it is possible if I come on
>>>> Thursday
>>>> for the card addition? I prefer not to get another card just for THS + I
>>>> use
>>>> my card a lot so giving it out for a week is not possible.
>>> Hmm, since my suica is in my phone...
>>> Are the cards registered at the space or by the "gyousha"? Any fee for
>>> registration/unregistartion?
>>> Who will have access to the access logs?
>>> Can we have at least a single "admin" who can register/unregister
>>> cards? Or will we have to always beg them to do that?
>>> Or have at least 2-3 meetings where cards can be registered (say even
>>> earlier like 18:00-19:00)?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:05 AM, lauren shannon <lauren.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow- ok. I can answer questions tonight but boy the negative tone is
> kind of discouraging.
I hope you don't interpret many questions in a mail as "negative tone" ;-)
This is professional deformation for any thing that deals with security :-)
Taylan explained the concerns I had behind my questions, won't repeat them here.
But if there is no need for additional device to register the cards
(i.e. if cards can be registered at the door), I think we should
request one of us to become co-admin and not bother them anymore.
Depending on how logs are accessed, I might setup a system to
visualize/analyze them in near realtime and the first thing (that I
wanted to do in Shirokane) is "Who is there @THS now" or at least
"Anybody there?" display on a web-page.
