I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 09:23:51PM -0700, @japhigu wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
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Due to layouting limitations this is the remainder of the OP:
As you can see, it says *read startup card* - giving me the impression that it needs something like an auhtorization card to enable functionality (as if the key weren't enough)
Having failed to find specific information on the JIS magstripe standard (which this machine is built for I think (putting in EU magstripe cards or My amex produced no output, JSI cards at least give an ostensible beep))
Do any of you with industry experience in any field know what the initialization sequence might be? I would input something if I just knew what.
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:31:48 PM UTC+9, new299 wrote:
> OMG that looks awesome. Also how much was it?
> Do you have the address or the shop?
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 09:23:51PM -0700, @japhigu wrote: > > Hello there folks,
> > I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
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Can't find a lot about the machine, searches just pick up auctions it was
sold at.
Here's a patent that Prime was granted for it though, maybe it mentions
what kind of card you'd need.
http://patent.astamuse.com/ja/granted/JP/No/3940612
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:23 PM, @japhigu <dualdrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over
> yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in
> Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:41:08 PM UTC+9, Richard Frankum wrote:
> Can't find a lot about the machine, searches just pick up auctions it was > sold at. > Here's a patent that Prime was granted for it though, maybe it mentions > what kind of card you'd need. > http://patent.astamuse.com/ja/granted/JP/No/3940612
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:23 PM, @japhigu <duald...@gmail.com <javascript:> > > wrote:
>> Hello there folks,
>> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over >> yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in >> Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
What I failed to mention: The machine has a two parallel Ports (or a r232, didnt look closely enough) - are there any probing experts coming next tuesday? I have zero knowledge of how to communicate with the device (save for spamming it with some cmds using hterm or comparable)
That might also help somehow - I think that initialization procedures are similiar across disciplines - like repeat passwords, so to speak.
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
@jahingu: would you be willing to share the address?
I am looking for a 1980's Japanese MSX machine, they might have it.
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 05:04:34PM +0900, Richard Frankum wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Luis Felipe RM <unixj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 09/05/2012 09:23 PM, @japhigu wrote:
> > I am looking for a 1980's Japanese MSX machine, they might have it.
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On Thursday, September 6, 2012 3:16:04 PM UTC+9, unixjazz wrote: > On 09/05/2012 09:23 PM, @japhigu wrote: > > I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
> @jahingu: would you be willing to share the address? > I am looking for a 1980's Japanese MSX machine, they might have it.
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
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Anyone with hardcore probing experience over parallel ?
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I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over yahoo
auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in Japan since
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I have an Open Bench Logic Sniffer, you can use it if you need it. Also we have one at THS.
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Subject: [THS:20103] Re: Opening a locked container or: guessing ASCII sequences
Anyone with hardcore probing experience over parallel ?
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
Hello there folks,
>I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
>I went there and I found this:
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As I have no experience at this at all, I can only hypothesize about where to capture the signals. Is it typical for a device like this to output a response on parallel at the same time as it outputs something on the screen, i.e. when the firmware displays "FAIL" can I expect a "FAIL" on the port without establishing a connection of some sort (telling there firmware there is something waiting for a signal from the device) ?
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
> Hello there folks,
> I found an AWESOME electrojunk dealer in Shin-Kiba who also sells over > yahoo auctions and they have everything in electronics that existed in > Japan since our mothers were born (or something like that)
Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
would be the case I don't know.
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 07:06:43PM -0700, @japhigu wrote:
> As I have no experience at this at all, I can only hypothesize about where > to capture the signals. Is it typical for a device like this to output a > response on parallel at the same time as it outputs something on the > screen, i.e. when the firmware displays "FAIL" can I expect a "FAIL" on the > port without establishing a connection of some sort (telling there firmware > there is something waiting for a signal from the device) ?
> On Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:23:52 PM UTC+9, @japhigu wrote:
> > Hello there folks,
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> would be the case I don't know.
I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
No idea about the format of the master card though.
Kalin: Clever thinking. So there would have to be some sort init sequence
on the card which identifies it as a master card...the thing is: this
encoder has a keyboard - copying the master cards content does not make
much sense fromn the versatility standpoint. THough I think it has a memory
for reading of a card for copying purposes.
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> wrote:
> > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> > would be the case I don't know.
> I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> No idea about the format of the master card though.
> Kalin.
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, dualdrinker <dualdrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kalin: Clever thinking. So there would have to be some sort init sequence
> on the card which identifies it as a master card...the thing is: this
> encoder has a keyboard - copying the master cards content does not make
> much sense fromn the versatility standpoint. THough I think it has a memory
> for reading of a card for copying purposes.
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
>> > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
>> > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
>> > would be the case I don't know.
>> I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
>> You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
>> it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
>> swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
>> No idea about the format of the master card though.
>> Kalin.
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Yea the thing that confused me was that it's Centronics rather than D type. The Centronics end was usually the printer end, rather than the "printing" end. Which I found odd...
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:07:13PM +0900, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> > would be the case I don't know.
> I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> No idea about the format of the master card though.
> Kalin.
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If there's a way of sending commands to this thing from a computer, I'd guess it's most likely serial. Could learn a lot
by taking the top off and looking for a MAX232 or similar...
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:44:25PM +0900, dualdrinker wrote:
> And there is no serial port.
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, dualdrinker <dualdrin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Kalin: Clever thinking. So there would have to be some sort init sequence
> > on the card which identifies it as a master card...the thing is: this
> > encoder has a keyboard - copying the master cards content does not make
> > much sense fromn the versatility standpoint. THough I think it has a memory
> > for reading of a card for copying purposes.
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> >> > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> >> > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> >> > would be the case I don't know.
> >> I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> >> You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> >> it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> >> swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> >> No idea about the format of the master card though.
> >> Kalin.
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> Yea the thing that confused me was that it's Centronics rather than D
> type. The Centronics
> end was usually the printer end, rather than the "printing" end. Which I
> found odd...
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:07:13PM +0900, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> wrote:
> > > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> > > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> > > would be the case I don't know.
> > I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> > You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> > it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> > swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> > No idea about the format of the master card though.
> > Kalin.
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Good hunting, Nava. Will try to scavenge some tools from the lab and see if
I can open it. I hope they didn't of the words ''proprietary screw head" in
Japan back then....
> Isn't that a 25D type female port next to the Centronics? I can't really
> tell from the low res picture. If it is, I'd
> assume it was a serial port:
> If there's a way of sending commands to this thing from a computer, I'd
> guess it's most likely serial. Could learn a lot
> by taking the top off and looking for a MAX232 or similar...
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:44:25PM +0900, dualdrinker wrote:
> > And there is no serial port.
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:44 PM, dualdrinker <dualdrin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Kalin: Clever thinking. So there would have to be some sort init
> sequence
> > > on the card which identifies it as a master card...the thing is: this
> > > encoder has a keyboard - copying the master cards content does not make
> > > much sense fromn the versatility standpoint. THough I think it has a
> memory
> > > for reading of a card for copying purposes.
> > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Kalin KOZHUHAROV <me.ka...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port
> first.
> > >> > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > >> > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> > >> > would be the case I don't know.
> > >> I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> > >> You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> > >> it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> > >> swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> > >> No idea about the format of the master card though.
> > >> Kalin.
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 03:40:45PM +0900, dualdrinker wrote:
> Well Nava you lost me there :)
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> > Yea the thing that confused me was that it's Centronics rather than D
> > type. The Centronics
> > end was usually the printer end, rather than the "printing" end. Which I
> > found odd...
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:07:13PM +0900, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port first.
> > > > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > > > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why that
> > > > would be the case I don't know.
> > > I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> > > You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> > > it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> > > swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> > > No idea about the format of the master card though.
> > > Kalin.
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Well, I still think it should all work without input from a computer. I'll
bring that thing in tomorrow. Hopefully we can get someplace. Anyone from
this thread coming in 2morrow? It is my last tuesday and thus last HS-day
in Japan :(
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org> wrote:
> The connector on the right of this picture goes in the printer.
> The connector on the left goes into the computer.
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 03:40:45PM +0900, dualdrinker wrote:
> > Well Nava you lost me there :)
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> wrote:
> > > Yea the thing that confused me was that it's Centronics rather than D
> > > type. The Centronics
> > > end was usually the printer end, rather than the "printing" end. Which
> I
> > > found odd...
> > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:07:13PM +0900, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Nava Whiteford <n...@sgenomics.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Your best bet is to try attaching something to the serial port
> first.
> > > > > The parallel port seems a bit odd. It looks like a Centronics port
> > > > > which would indicate that it functions as a printer. Though why
> that
> > > > > would be the case I don't know.
> > > > I bet it is a line printer to keep track of encoded cards.
> > > > You need a master card (not Master Card, LoL) that is read (think of
> > > > it as old punch cards - it stores the code/data), then you start
> > > > swiping blanks to encode whatever was programmed on the master card.
> > > > No idea about the format of the master card though.
> > > > Kalin.
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