I have endless space, though it's far from Tokyo. Could also try something like this at hacker farm. If it goes well, I'd pitch it to my university to do one on the roof there.
As to growing, fish and plants, duh. ...but seriously, greens seem to be easiest. Lettuces, kangkong, kales, other brassicas, etc. Tomatoes, eggplants, other solanaceae will probably work too. Not sure about root veg in hydroponics, but I'll look into it. (Issues with over wetness or exposure to fish poo, perhaps?)
Also gotta grow fish food, so maybe duckweed, azolla, that kind of thing as well? Not sure where to get them in Japan yet, but will start looking soon.
Also also want to try charcoal as a growing medium along with the rocks to lighten poundage.
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> What are you hoping to grow? And do you have the space for it, indoors?
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Ahh, actually we have a project planned for aquaponics at hackerfarm. Chris
H has a friend in the area that's doing it and we're going to meet up & see
if we can help automate certain process variables.
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> I have endless space, though it's far from Tokyo. Could also try something
like
> this at hacker farm. If it goes well, I'd pitch it to my university to do
one
> on the roof there.
> As to growing, fish and plants, duh. ...but seriously, greens seem to be
easiest.
> Lettuces, kangkong, kales, other brassicas, etc. Tomatoes, eggplants,
other
> solanaceae will probably work too. Not sure about root veg in
hydroponics,
> but I'll look into it. (Issues with over wetness or exposure to fish poo,
> perhaps?)
> Also gotta grow fish food, so maybe duckweed, azolla, that kind of thing
as
> well? Not sure where to get them in Japan yet, but will start looking
soon.
> Also also want to try charcoal as a growing medium along with the rocks to
> lighten poundage.
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I'd definitely like to ultimately see something like this happen at
the hackerfarm. I got in touch with a guy doing it here in Chiba, and
I'm meeting up with him in early November. I'll be discussing the
possibility of helping him setup a project in central Chiba over the
winter as an opportunity to learn.
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Hey Chris.
How about for a November trip out to Kamogawa, we take a couple people with
us to hackerfarm and then meet the aquaponics guy and check out the setup?
If this is cool, let us know when an approximate date would be and we can
set it up over here.
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> Benjamin,
> I'd definitely like to ultimately see something like this happen at
> the hackerfarm. I got in touch with a guy doing it here in Chiba, and
> I'm meeting up with him in early November. I'll be discussing the
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> I'd definitely like to ultimately see something like this happen at
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> I'm meeting up with him in early November. I'll be discussing the
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Hi,
Seeing this I was wondering if it could be scaled down (size and
technically) to home-usage.
A standard ornamental fish tank (with ornamental fishs) combined with
a mini aquaponic (window-farming?) to grow herbs and small amount of
veggies.
Albeit, I actually never saw a fish tank in a Japanese home ;)
However, they should exist, since they sell ornamental fishs in pet
and DIY shops.
It would have to be very easy to set-up, rather cheap and a no-brainer
in operation. Space would be an issue too. Maybe a way to stack
fishtank and aquaponic.
Could be a nice educational think for kids too.
If you ever had to clean a fish-tank filter you look-out for better solutions ;)
> I'd definitely like to ultimately see something like this happen at
> the hackerfarm. I got in touch with a guy doing it here in Chiba, and
> I'm meeting up with him in early November. I'll be discussing the
> possibility of helping him setup a project in central Chiba over the
> winter as an opportunity to learn.
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Fujino, actually - but yeah, it's near Takao. And I don't get to call it a
farm until the chickens arrive. :P
Sweet, I'd love to meet the Japan aquaponics guy. My november is pretty
open, excepting the 17th.
Totti - Yeah, sure, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do this smaller
scale and save yourself the trouble of tank cleaning by eating the fish
poop transmuted to tasty leafy greens. It's apparently a bit fiddly to get
the chemical/biological balance right at first (you might kill a few fish),
but it should totally be possible.
I'd definitely have to check with Aragon about his schedule, but in
all likelihood he should be showing up to a hackerspace meeting in the
next couple of weeks, so you'll be able to discuss it with him
directly, I hope.
Just to reiterate, Aragon (the aquaponics guy) is in Tokyo on weekdays
and Chiba on weekends, so it should be easy for you guys to meet with
him. I can ask him to contact someone if you want?
I'm certainly open for a November visit. My wife has a dance event for
her students on the 11th, and I might be busy helping out then, but
otherwise I cannot recall any plans.
<davis.benjami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fujino, actually - but yeah, it's near Takao. And I don't get to call it a
> farm until the chickens arrive. :P
> Sweet, I'd love to meet the Japan aquaponics guy. My november is pretty
> open, excepting the 17th.
> Totti - Yeah, sure, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do this smaller
> scale and save yourself the trouble of tank cleaning by eating the fish poop
> transmuted to tasty leafy greens. It's apparently a bit fiddly to get the
> chemical/biological balance right at first (you might kill a few fish), but
> it should totally be possible.
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Fujino, actually - but yeah, it's near Takao. And I don't get to call it a
farm until the chickens arrive. :P
Sweet, I'd love to meet the Japan aquaponics guy. My november is pretty
open, excepting the 17th.
Totti - Yeah, sure, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do this smaller
scale and save yourself the trouble of tank cleaning by eating the fish poop
transmuted to tasty leafy greens. It's apparently a bit fiddly to get the
chemical/biological balance right at first (you might kill a few fish), but
it should totally be possible.
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> Fujino, actually - but yeah, it's near Takao. And I don't get to call it a
> farm until the chickens arrive. :P
> Sweet, I'd love to meet the Japan aquaponics guy. My november is pretty
> open, excepting the 17th.
> Totti - Yeah, sure, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do this smaller
> scale and save yourself the trouble of tank cleaning by eating the fish poop
> transmuted to tasty leafy greens. It's apparently a bit fiddly to get the
> chemical/biological balance right at first (you might kill a few fish), but
> it should totally be possible.
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We all know that you want to grow your own weed, tsck tsck...
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Subject: Re: [THS:20692] Anyone wanna help me set one of these up later in the winter?
Hi,
Seeing this I was wondering if it could be scaled down (size and
technically) to home-usage.
A standard ornamental fish tank (with ornamental fishs) combined with
a mini aquaponic (window-farming?) to grow herbs and small amount of
veggies.
Albeit, I actually never saw a fish tank in a Japanese home ;)
However, they should exist, since they sell ornamental fishs in pet
and DIY shops.
It would have to be very easy to set-up, rather cheap and a no-brainer
in operation. Space would be an issue too. Maybe a way to stack
fishtank and aquaponic.
Could be a nice educational think for kids too.
If you ever had to clean a fish-tank filter you look-out for better solutions ;)
> I'd definitely like to ultimately see something like this happen at
> the hackerfarm. I got in touch with a guy doing it here in Chiba, and
> I'm meeting up with him in early November. I'll be discussing the
> possibility of helping him setup a project in central Chiba over the
> winter as an opportunity to learn.
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Several wondowfarmers have ran closed loop farm/fish tank set ups. usually works pretty well. As you said, getting the chem balance right is thw hard part, and a lot of fisg die at first.. OR plants suffer. But the best prevention is daily monitoring.
Generally, the tank ends up near the floor though. But this has more to do with tech linitations of folks than any system requirement. Plumbing can get tricky.
Cute, though the growing space on this one is kinda itty bitty. I think
this version is supposed to be a class project to just illustrate nutrient
cycling or something, not necessarily to seriously produce food. Not to say
that education is not a valuable yield, nor that if you wanted to have fish
anyway that this wouldn't be a nifty add-on, but I think that if you're
gonna invest the time, money, and steady supply of electricity into one of
these things at home, you should create a system that can actually
meaningfully supplement your food intake - not just give you a single
lettuce every few weeks. (And is that the hope of a strawberry someday that
I see hiding behind the lettuce?)
Problem is, it's not just a build-it-and-leave-it thing - you'll actually
have to keep an eye on it, feed the fish every day, and keep feeding it
electricity constantly too. And if you get bored, you have to give away or
kill the fish. And if you're coming at it with anything like a
sustainability perspective in mind, you have to get enough yield out of it
to justify the embedded energy (and financial) costs.
Though to be fair, the photo in question wasn't packed in as much as it
could have been... I wonder if you could vertical stack somehow on that
base? Maybe packing it with mini-tomato plants and basil might bring a more
worthwhile yield? Trellis something off the sides of the container? (Or
like Totti said, if you wanted to have fish as pets anyway, I suppose
that's another yield...)
Anyway, I think I'd want to at least double that planting area in size
before making one - even for a tiny Tokyo apartment.
