That is odd. Michael and I have discussed this topic extensively. He
> On 6 Sep., 07:37, "Miguel de Icaza" <miguel.de.ic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael Meeks didn't seem to think so at FOSDEM 2007.
certainly would like clarification in various areas and more details in
some. But Michael's criticism (or for that matter, the Novell OpenOffice
team working with that spec) seems to be incredibly different than the
laundry list of issues that pass as technical reviews in sites like Groklaw.
The difference is that the Novell-based criticism is based on actually
Finally, Michael sounded incredibly positive after the ECMA meeting last
For another view at OOXML look at what Jody Goldberg (no longer a Novell
I find it hilarious that the majority (not all) of the criticism for OOXML
> >Will I have to suffer1) You're saying that people _will_ have patent problems - i.e.
> > > the shadow of Microsoft patents over Silverlight when using or
> > > developing Moonlight?
> > Not as long as you get/download Moonlight from Novell which will include
> You're saying two things here that really shock me. Please tell me I
> Moonlight "infringes" MS patents and doesn't work around them. EvenFirst of all, am not aware of such Novell promise to "never ship code that
> though Novell promised never to ship code that infringes MS patents -
> but always avoid them one way or another.
infringes MS patents". You can not make such statement because for one,
the patent system is broken. Novell statements are wildly different, they
are of the form "we do not believe that we infringe" and am sure they say
something along the lines of "we dont plan on infringing, and we plan on
removing infringing code". But I am not aware of all the promises Novell
has made, and I can not comment on other parts of the organization. If you
want an official answer, my personal blog on politics and poor attempts at
humor is not the place to get an official answer. Contact Novell public
relations for that.
But you might be referring to the policy that we use for Mono, and I will be
Moonlight does not have the same policy that Mono does in terms of us
That being said, in neither case are we aware of infringements. But like
2) You're saying other distributors can't ship Moonlight legally (in
> the US) because of patent issues. Making Moonlight effectively non-Am not sure where you get the idea that the "US" is the only place where
> free (as in freedom).
software patents exist. Free software people are under the mistaken
impression that software patents are only a US thing, while many of the
stake holders are European companies. The only difference is that in
Europe your "software patent" is written to describe a machine. Law firms
will offer you a set of checkboxes to "port" your patent from the US-wording
to any other nation wording. And the patents are enforceable in most
countries in the EU. Not surprising, as the EU owns many of patents on the
We are obtaining covenants (from Microsoft) and patent licenses (from
I say "minimal risk" and not "risk free", because that is the nature of
So that is the approach that we are taking to distribute for commercial use
I hope it's just a matter of you being too fast on the trigger and
> your answer missing some elaboration - if this is the case you shouldWell, it certainly merits an extended explanation. I have tried to
> really choose your words more carefully when talking about patents in
> the future - unless you want to hurt Novell.
summarize some of the issues above media patents but the space is incredibly
complicated and no amount of one-liners can precisely describe the problems,
the limitations and all the special conditions attached to them.
The problem is that people think that the problem is as simple as "patents
If you're actually saying what it sounds like you're saying (see item
> #1 and #2) I can only say OMFG...Well, I did not say that. So you can put the Ventolin down and breathe.
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