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ybabel
Jan 21, 2011, 4:49:00 AM1/21/11
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Hello,
TiddlyVault is not maintained any more.
Is there a repository of extensions / projects with TW ?
I'm pretty sure there are many very interresting new plugins, and,
since JQuery adoption, it's like nobody's working anymore on TW ...
very strange ...
is TW loosing the hype ?
regards
Yoann
TiddlyVault is not maintained any more.
Is there a repository of extensions / projects with TW ?
I'm pretty sure there are many very interresting new plugins, and,
since JQuery adoption, it's like nobody's working anymore on TW ...
very strange ...
is TW loosing the hype ?
regards
Yoann
colmjude
Jan 21, 2011, 5:20:49 AM1/21/11
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there still seems to be a healthy amount going on.
A lot of the active/prolific members of the community have set up on
TiddlySpace[1] so have their plugins and extensions on there. It's
certainly worth poking around to see what you can find.
Some interesting spaces to look at that will give you an idea of what
people are doing are:
- featured.tiddlyspace.com
- activity.tiddlyspace.com
- tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com
- jon.tiddlyspace.com
Help that is a useful pointer,
Colm
[1] - http://tiddlyspace.com
Måns
Jan 21, 2011, 11:51:55 AM1/21/11
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Hi Yoann
> TiddlyVault is not maintained any more.
> Is there a repository of extensions / projects with TW ?
> I'm pretty sure there are many very interresting new plugins, and,
> since JQuery adoption, it's like nobody's working anymore on TW ...
> very strange ...
TiddlyHub ?
http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/
Cheers Måns Mårtensson
> TiddlyVault is not maintained any more.
> Is there a repository of extensions / projects with TW ?
> I'm pretty sure there are many very interresting new plugins, and,
> since JQuery adoption, it's like nobody's working anymore on TW ...
> very strange ...
http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/
Cheers Måns Mårtensson
Yoann Babel
Jan 24, 2011, 5:08:39 AM1/24/11
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Thanks boht of you,
TiddlyHub seem's great, but only for "prolyfiic" membres, I looked
also TiddlySpace (where are the plugins listed ???)
It seems the community is fragmented.
An "easy" repository of plugins would be great... !
Unless close following of the community it's very hard to know what's
going on.
I think TW is great but even more with plugins (I use lot's of them).
TiddlyHub seem's great, but only for "prolyfiic" membres, I looked
also TiddlySpace (where are the plugins listed ???)
It seems the community is fragmented.
An "easy" repository of plugins would be great... !
Unless close following of the community it's very hard to know what's
going on.
I think TW is great but even more with plugins (I use lot's of them).
Måns
Jan 24, 2011, 8:28:33 AM1/24/11
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Hi Yoann
TiddlyHub seem's great, but only for "prolyfiic" membres, I looked
also TiddlySpace (where are the plugins listed ???)
It seems the community is fragmented.
An "easy" repository of plugins would be great... !
Unless close following of the community it's very hard to know what's
going on.
I think you are right.
Featured spaces aren't really showing but a very small amount of all the great "fragmented" spaced plugins meant for inclusion...
There should be a list/tree somewhere with as many plugins as possible....
Mario's @news, @themes and @featured are places to go... @tobibeer also has a bunch of plugins..
Cheers Måns Mårtensson
FND
Jan 24, 2011, 10:14:08 AM1/24/11
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> There should be a list/tree somewhere with as many plugins as possible
The community could write plugin descriptions/reviews - e.g. tagged
tiddlers on TiddlySpace which could then be aggregated.
-- F.
Yoann Babel
Jan 25, 2011, 4:48:05 AM1/25/11
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That would be great, and not so difficult. No ?
Yoann Babel
Jan 28, 2011, 5:15:15 AM1/28/11
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AppStore in iPhone and Android have a great success. Now an app store
is discussed for Linux, Drupal, and maybe others.
Unless you want to keep TW confidential I think plugins visibility is
essential.
is discussed for Linux, Drupal, and maybe others.
Unless you want to keep TW confidential I think plugins visibility is
essential.
Alex Hough
Jan 28, 2011, 6:42:23 AM1/28/11
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Yoann and others,
Most plugin authors are know to the TW community. Sure there are some plugins which I have stumbled upon via the TW twitter channel (I recall a Japanese plugin for twitter), but the most useful plug-ins are not difficult to find. Below are a few suggestions
== Reduce Complexity as Early as Possible ==
I'd like to propose an update of tw.com.
Most practically an up date on http://tiddlywiki.com/#Plugins its out of date and is the first source of information a new TW user comes across. A link to the documentation on TiddlySpace would be good.
There are 14 plugin repositories listed on tiddlywiki.com [1] but they are not easy to find from the plugins tiddler.
An update to TW.com would be valuable to end users, but also the community. Negotiating how an update is done, and how the discussions take place would also be interesting -- at least from my perspective as a super fan of the TW community and someone interested in organisation in general.
== Embrace Git ==
I am speaking as a non tech person here - new plugin authors might be using Git. Simon Baird has moved his MPTW[2] plugins there. He is following some other early TW + Git adopters [3] - FND and CDENT and jermolene's tw5 [4]
I know Chis and FND proposed that the TW repository were moved to Git, and i think this would be a good idea too. But I need to guard myself against being easily dazzled by new stuff.
I wonder what Eric thinks about all this; he is the grand master of the plugin and a vital member of the TW community. Its is great to see plugins in use, also in use with other plugins, so in many ways i think repositories like Eric and Udos are more than individual plugins.
Alex
[1]http://tinyurl.com/69jqgx4
or
http://tiddlywiki.com/#AbegoSoftwareServer%20BidiXTWServer%20BobsPluginsServer%20Gimcrack%27dServer%20JacksTiddlyWikiServer%20LewcidTWServer%20MartinsPluginsServer%20MonkeyPirateTWServer%20PeachTWServer%20PrinceTiddlyWikiExtensionsServer%20RedMountainVistaServer%20TiddlyStylesServer%20TiddlyToolsServer%20VisualTWServer%20systemServer%20PluginDirectory%20Plugins
[2] https://github.com/simonbaird/simonbaird.github.com
[3] https://github.com/simonbaird/following
[4] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5
Most plugin authors are know to the TW community. Sure there are some plugins which I have stumbled upon via the TW twitter channel (I recall a Japanese plugin for twitter), but the most useful plug-ins are not difficult to find. Below are a few suggestions
== Reduce Complexity as Early as Possible ==
I'd like to propose an update of tw.com.
Most practically an up date on http://tiddlywiki.com/#Plugins its out of date and is the first source of information a new TW user comes across. A link to the documentation on TiddlySpace would be good.
There are 14 plugin repositories listed on tiddlywiki.com [1] but they are not easy to find from the plugins tiddler.
An update to TW.com would be valuable to end users, but also the community. Negotiating how an update is done, and how the discussions take place would also be interesting -- at least from my perspective as a super fan of the TW community and someone interested in organisation in general.
== Embrace Git ==
I am speaking as a non tech person here - new plugin authors might be using Git. Simon Baird has moved his MPTW[2] plugins there. He is following some other early TW + Git adopters [3] - FND and CDENT and jermolene's tw5 [4]
I know Chis and FND proposed that the TW repository were moved to Git, and i think this would be a good idea too. But I need to guard myself against being easily dazzled by new stuff.
I wonder what Eric thinks about all this; he is the grand master of the plugin and a vital member of the TW community. Its is great to see plugins in use, also in use with other plugins, so in many ways i think repositories like Eric and Udos are more than individual plugins.
Alex
[1]http://tinyurl.com/69jqgx4
or
http://tiddlywiki.com/#AbegoSoftwareServer%20BidiXTWServer%20BobsPluginsServer%20Gimcrack%27dServer%20JacksTiddlyWikiServer%20LewcidTWServer%20MartinsPluginsServer%20MonkeyPirateTWServer%20PeachTWServer%20PrinceTiddlyWikiExtensionsServer%20RedMountainVistaServer%20TiddlyStylesServer%20TiddlyToolsServer%20VisualTWServer%20systemServer%20PluginDirectory%20Plugins
[2] https://github.com/simonbaird/simonbaird.github.com
[3] https://github.com/simonbaird/following
[4] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5
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PMario
Jan 28, 2011, 10:18:38 AM1/28/11
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@Yoann
Thanks for raising this topic.
@Alex
=====
The following may be provocative.
Just my 2 €ents,
-- TiddlyHub [1] is great. It scanns registered repos automatically.
So it is automatically up to date. And it is allmost [8] the __only__
source that covers several repos and is up to date.
It has the possibility to comment, every plugin. But nobody uses this
feature. So why does anybody think that a manually created review
system will work in the tiddly community? May be this group does the
job?
-- There is a community [2] space, which is free for everyone to join.
The only reason, why there is stuff in it, is because it includes most
of the devs spaces. There is very little from the community :(
-- There is a communitydev space. Which has the possibility to discuss
the topics before they go to the community space. To keep the noise
away from community space, there is no comment button there. It is
needed to be logged in to comment in communitydev. Does anyone think
that there will be more members joining a new community effort?
-- There is the News space [4] which is an attempt, to aggregate
public tiddlers that are tagged @news and display them in your own
homespace. To keep noise away from this space it is needed to create a
tiddler named @news and tag it "list", at any of your spaces. Learn
more at news space [5].
I think this is one of the simpliest ways to get any information
recogniced, without being a member of news space. But only Hans and I
are using it. May be I have to make the registrataion process more
complicated. May be I need to put a lot more manual admin overhead to
it. (Who wants to be the admin then)? I don't know.
-- Groupie's MoodOfTheDay [6] works the same way then news, but was
ment to be for fun stuff. If you want to test the mechanism, use
Groupie. If you have real news, use news :)
-- There is Tobi Beers ShowRoom [7] Which has a lot of invitations,
but only 3 members.
-- I am sure, there are more out there, but I can't remember now.
-- (hoster)
===========
In my opinion, every effort to keep plugin information up to date,
needs some type of automatic aggregation. Like TiddlyHub [1].
I can think about a review system using the news [5] approach, where
everyone can create reviews at there homespace, and keep them up to
date. News space only collects the links and makes them accessable. I
suggest one writes a review eg: "review.AnyPluginName" and tag it
@news _and_ @review for better sorting/filtering in the future. And if
you read [5] news space will list it. Without an action needed by
me :)
All of this is non anonymous, and I think it's good that way. A plugin
author puts his name on top of the plugin. So a user knows who made
it. According to the authors reputation, user can decide to trust/use
it or not. I think it is only fair, that the author get's some
information, who likes or doesn't like his plugin.
============
have fun!
mario
[1] http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/
[2] http://community.tiddlyspace.com/
[3] http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com/
[4] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/
[5] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About
[6] http://groupie.tiddlyspace.com/#MoodOfTheDay
[7] http://showroom.tiddlyspace.com/#[[Your%20ShowRoom]]
[8] http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/
Thanks for raising this topic.
>is TW loosing the hype ?
I don't think so. But may be there are too many possibilities.
@Alex
>I'd like to propose an update of tw.com.
>Most practically an up date on http://tiddlywiki.com/#Plugins
Vote +1
>Most practically an up date on http://tiddlywiki.com/#Plugins
=====
The following may be provocative.
Just my 2 €ents,
-- TiddlyHub [1] is great. It scanns registered repos automatically.
So it is automatically up to date. And it is allmost [8] the __only__
source that covers several repos and is up to date.
It has the possibility to comment, every plugin. But nobody uses this
feature. So why does anybody think that a manually created review
system will work in the tiddly community? May be this group does the
job?
-- There is a community [2] space, which is free for everyone to join.
The only reason, why there is stuff in it, is because it includes most
of the devs spaces. There is very little from the community :(
-- There is a communitydev space. Which has the possibility to discuss
the topics before they go to the community space. To keep the noise
away from community space, there is no comment button there. It is
needed to be logged in to comment in communitydev. Does anyone think
that there will be more members joining a new community effort?
-- There is the News space [4] which is an attempt, to aggregate
public tiddlers that are tagged @news and display them in your own
homespace. To keep noise away from this space it is needed to create a
tiddler named @news and tag it "list", at any of your spaces. Learn
more at news space [5].
I think this is one of the simpliest ways to get any information
recogniced, without being a member of news space. But only Hans and I
are using it. May be I have to make the registrataion process more
complicated. May be I need to put a lot more manual admin overhead to
it. (Who wants to be the admin then)? I don't know.
-- Groupie's MoodOfTheDay [6] works the same way then news, but was
ment to be for fun stuff. If you want to test the mechanism, use
Groupie. If you have real news, use news :)
-- There is Tobi Beers ShowRoom [7] Which has a lot of invitations,
but only 3 members.
-- I am sure, there are more out there, but I can't remember now.
-- (hoster)
===========
In my opinion, every effort to keep plugin information up to date,
needs some type of automatic aggregation. Like TiddlyHub [1].
I can think about a review system using the news [5] approach, where
everyone can create reviews at there homespace, and keep them up to
date. News space only collects the links and makes them accessable. I
suggest one writes a review eg: "review.AnyPluginName" and tag it
@news _and_ @review for better sorting/filtering in the future. And if
you read [5] news space will list it. Without an action needed by
me :)
All of this is non anonymous, and I think it's good that way. A plugin
author puts his name on top of the plugin. So a user knows who made
it. According to the authors reputation, user can decide to trust/use
it or not. I think it is only fair, that the author get's some
information, who likes or doesn't like his plugin.
============
have fun!
mario
[1] http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/
[2] http://community.tiddlyspace.com/
[3] http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com/
[4] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/
[5] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About
[6] http://groupie.tiddlyspace.com/#MoodOfTheDay
[7] http://showroom.tiddlyspace.com/#[[Your%20ShowRoom]]
[8] http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/
PMario
Feb 8, 2011, 5:50:09 AM2/8/11
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Hi folks,
I know, that my posts are long from time to time.
But did this post really kill the topic ? Or is it just true?
-m
I know, that my posts are long from time to time.
But did this post really kill the topic ? Or is it just true?
-m
Jeremy Ruston
Feb 8, 2011, 7:48:00 AM2/8/11
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Sorry for not replying sooner. The main development in response to
this thread is that Osmosoft is preparing an update of tw.com. We're
removing the dead links, reorganising the existing content, and
improving the reference documentation. The plan is for us to spend the
day on Friday this week bringing everything together and making it
live for comments.
this thread is that Osmosoft is preparing an update of tw.com. We're
removing the dead links, reorganising the existing content, and
improving the reference documentation. The plan is for us to spend the
day on Friday this week bringing everything together and making it
live for comments.
Currently, updating tiddlywiki.com is pretty difficult. We'd like to
establish a better process for subsequent updates, probably
establishing a mirror space on tiddlyspace.com with broad editting
rights, with a semi-automated process to pick up the content and bake
it into tiddlywiki.com
Best wishes
Jeremy
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