Update: Moving http://tiddlywiki.org/ to TiddlySpace

[chris...@gmail.com]

As discussed in another thread[1] a migration of the mediawiki at
http://tiddlywiki.org/ to TiddlySpace[2] at
http://tiddlywiki.tiddlyspace.com/ has started. This message is to
give a bit of an update on the progress, encourage participation,
provide a space for any questions on the process and to report on some
of the issues I've faced thus far.

I've migrated, by hand, some tens of pages to tiddlers. In the process
I've updated syntax from mediawiki to tiddlywiki and cleared out any
content that is immediately obvious as being wrong. I'm neither an
expert in tiddlywiki syntax nor in the entire tiddlywiki ecosystem so
it is quite likely I'm getting some of it wrong.

I started by migrating the "Main Page" to a "Welcome" tiddler and then
following and filling empty links from that Welcome tiddler.

Now that I've put the basic framework in place, it would be most
excellent if others could follow along using the same process:

* Create a tiddlyspace account if you don't yet have one.
* Go to http://tiddlywiki.tiddlyspace.com/, find a missing tiddler.
* Go to http://tiddlywiki.org/ find the wiki page that corresponds to
the missing tiddler.
* Copy the content from the wiki into the tiddler.
* While reading to update the syntax, update the content where
possible.
* On the mediawiki page make a link with title "Migrated", at the top of
the page, pointing to the permalink.
* Repeat until you get too bored to carry on :)

Issues I've discovered thus far include:

* The mediawiki site uses Namespace:Page style page names, which don't
really map to the TiddlyWiki way. I've taken a hybrid approach thus
far, mostly changing things like "Dev:Macros" to "DevMacros", but
sometimes just leaving the prefix off.
* There are some pages which use subpages (e.g. MGSD). These seem
candiates for their own spaces perhaps? Opinions?
* There's a mishmash of strategies for dealing with case and
pluralness in the older wiki. This is compounded by yet more
strategies in the @glossary and @tiddlywikidev spaces included in
the @tiddlywiki space. We've got links for Tiddlers, Tiddler,
tiddlers and tiddler.

I believe that is now is the time for others to step in. The older
wiki, and thus the new wiki, has always been meant to be the wiki for
the tiddlywiki community. That means the community needs to step up
and be responsible, as possible, for its content. By moving the
content to a hosted, multi-user, TiddlyWiki-based platform, hopefully
enough barriers to participation have been removed to make this
possible. If barriers still remain please state what they are so we
can work on removing them.

If the barriers are down, but there still isn't participation that
will say alot about the relative or perceived need for a community
wiki. So if you are committed to the need, this is your chance to show
it.

[1]
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/c005b5a50001bbc9

[2] http://tiddlyspace.com/

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Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/
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[chris...@gmail.com]

On Feb 14, 1:44 pm, chris.d...@gmail.com wrote:
> I believe that is now is the time for others to step in. The older
> wiki, and thus the new wiki, has always been meant to be the wiki for
> the tiddlywiki community. That means the community needs to step up
> and be responsible, as possible, for its content. By moving the
> content to a hosted, multi-user, TiddlyWiki-based platform, hopefully
> enough barriers to participation have been removed to make this
> possible. If barriers still remain please state what they are so we
> can work on removing them.

It looks like some people have been actively moving content and
otherwise making updates. Thanks very much to those of you who have
been.

Today I made it impossible to create new pages on the old wiki, this
should help limit spam while the migration continues.

I'd like to set a target date for when the domain will be switched
over to the new tiddlyspace-based wiki. This will hopefully give us a
nice solid deadline so that the changes won't languish.

[Måns]

Hi Chris

I have tried to answer your question http://tiddlywiki.tiddlyspace.com/#Introduction
with: http://mama.tiddlyspace.com/#Introduction

Hope it's usable..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[Bauwe Bijl]

Hi Chris

> Today I made it impossible to create new pages on the old wiki, this
> should help limit spam while the migration continues.

Great!

> I'd like to set a target date for when the domain will be switched
> over to the new tiddlyspace-based wiki. This will hopefully give us a
> nice solid deadline so that the changes won't languish.

When the mediawiki still can be reached by ip (for a while) I don't
mind switching now.

For the people that still need to check what they need to move and
don't know where to start.
- Check your browser bookmarks.....perhaps there is some .org related
link that needs migration?
- Browse around on .org for some time (random page) maybe you'll find
some forgotten (but important) feature.

Bauwe

[chris...@gmail.com]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, M�ns wrote:

> I have tried to answer your question http://tiddlywiki.tiddlyspace.com/#Introduction
> with: http://mama.tiddlyspace.com/#Introduction

It's not my question. I copied that over from the original page.
Please feel free to update that section, perhaps by migrating over
the page you link to, and then linking to it?

[Måns]

Hi Chris

> It's not my question. I copied that over from the original page.
> Please feel free to update that section, perhaps by migrating over
> the page you link to, and then linking to it?

Ok - I'll do that..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[chris...@gmail.com]

An update on this process.

Of late a tiddlyspace user, http://vivekkodira.tiddlyspace.com/ , has
made many migrations of content to http://tiddywiki.tiddlyspace.com/

The amount of content there is becoming quite significant so it might
be time go ahead and swap over the domain name so that tiddlywiki.org
points there. We'll try to make it so the old content is still
accessible (under a different domain name) so that migrations could
continue.

What do other people think?